[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Thane Vakarian]

the SG leaders there decided to close that section off to visitors after the game had ended

[Sili Quirrels]

Kay then. I think after this game I'll ask you how you play scum if you haven't randed it here.

 

FWIW I really don't like people pairing me with Sili at this point, considering he's openly the one I've found most sus (Sorry Sili if I'm tinfoiling again).

 

I think Yates was fielding for responses... like, the pairings were absurd. You're reacting to me the exact way you usually do.

 

Objectively you look very good if I flip scum.

[Sili Quirrels]

^@Cass,

[Niniel]

Good morning my little ponies! 

 

 

No one is voting.

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. 

It´s Day 1. Day ends Saturday 9 PM CET. (GMT + 1) 

 

 

I was asked if voting NO LYNCH is okay. I hadn´t thought about it but I decided it is allowed. 

[Thane Vakarian]

So, SIli.... how is JMM your scum suspect? you doubt he genuinly asks a question and throws a decoy question to get towncred?

 

@jmm: how many games have you played?

[Cass]

Ok *gets serious* Have sat down and re-read to here (Thane's post #80).

 

In a nutshell, my gut reads this far are that Sili, followed by possibly Clov and Yates, are coming across somewhat wilfish.

 

Everyone else has posted and seems null so far, although I'm interested to see more from jmm and BFG - all I know of jmm is the beginning of the last DM game (Tress'), which isn't much, and I can't recall seeing BFG in any of the games I've read to date.

 

Explanations for gut reads are coming next, but I'm working on mobile so thought it was best to get the basics up before I get bogged down.

 

Wish me luck.

[Thane Vakarian]

good luck!

 

Are you feeling confident about winning this one?

[Thane Vakarian]

good luck!

 

Are you feeling confident about winning this one?

[jmm]

So, SIli.... how is JMM your scum suspect? you doubt he genuinly asks a question and throws a decoy question to get towncred?

 

@jmm: how many games have you played?

I've only been in one forum mafia game before, and that was the recent town victory in Tress' game.  In that game I was town innocent child. 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91898-basicstandard-a-wind-in-the-door-mafia-game-over-town-wins/

[Thane Vakarian]

Ok, i'll keep it in mind. Welcome to DM mafia then!

 

I'll check the game if i can, but i prefer to start every game new. People can change from game to game. 

[jmm]

Truth.  I am very much taking that mindset, especially with Sili, since I tunneled him for a while last game 

[Cass]

Ok. Proper reads. WoT likely incoming. Sili first. I'm gonna try spoilering multiquotes instead of linking (sorry if it ends up looking like mush/links are better, copy-paste and backwards-forwards on the phone/tablet is horrible).

 

Observations/Analysis (Sili)

 

- First to post, content seems slightly off - Not sure how the rest of us posting quickly would help anyone 'tell' who the rest of Town are. Seems odd.

 

 

 

Haha first! Quickly others post so i can tell who my teammates are

 

 

- Votes BFG because 'her smile is sinister', in relation to the grin she gave at finding Tina's typo - what the?

 

 

Secrete

 

I need to [v]bfg[/v]

  

Her smile is sinnester.

 

 

 

I was initially trying to keep in mind that it could be a joke vote but:

i) Do joke votes happen in hammer games?; and

ii) If it was a joke, why later make/give an excuse to unvote?

 

 

 

Yeah, so I might have been to abrupt before... I was on mobile... but clov, I'm getting the impression you're a wolf.

  

 

 

 

 

- Clov asks straight out if Sili ate the cake. Sili's response (without giving a real reason/proper explanation) is that he gets the impression that Clov is a Wolf, but when I do almost the exact same thing and ask straight out if he's wilfing again, his response is that his confidence in me as Town has increased. It's inconsistent, and it pings. (Also, this is what first makes me wonder if Sili-Clov are W-W creating distance...)

 

 

 

Sili, did you eat the cake?  Be honest.

  

I am not a party killer. But your response is.

  

 

Yeah, so I might have been to abrupt before... I was on mobile... but clov, I'm getting the impression you're a wolf.

  

 

 

 

Cass, have you played a lot of scum? could you link me?

None! I'm still (somewhat nervously) awaiting my first rand as scum... For now I'm honestly still quite happy to just keep being Town and keep learning/figuring out how to solve the puzzles!!

TBH though Sili, I find this question slightly odd coming from you, considering that you've played both of the two only 'extended' games I've been in and I mentioned this in the sign up thread when Tina asked if I'd played before. You should already know that I've only been Town...

Even though you say you've got me as Town, my gut's wondering if you're trying to set me up as scum... Yes, it's early and I may already have a habit of always reading you as scum, but still...

I like my gut *g*

 

You wilfing against me again?

  

tl;dr - all reads are tentative, but some more than others.

 

Also, my confidence in Cass went up with her last post.

  

 

 

 

 

- He posts a list of 'reads' of everyone based on opening posts, says that's worked for him lately and then 'says' that everyone who has posted '= (tentative) Town', except for Clov who '= (tentative) Scum' (still no real reason/explanation given) and adds in that I might be Scum if I've played a couple of drawn out games. (I still don't like this!!!)

 

 

 

Yates = town - tentative

BFG = town - tentative

Jmm = town - tentative

Cass = town - unless she's played a couple drawn out wolf games recently.

Clov = scum - tentative

  

 

 

 

- He asks me if I've played 'a lot of scum?' and for links, even though he should definitely know better (explanation quoted in spoiler).

 

 

 

 

Cass, have you played a lot of scum? could you link me?

None! I'm still (somewhat nervously) awaiting my first rand as scum... For now I'm honestly still quite happy to just keep being Town and keep learning/figuring out how to solve the puzzles!!

TBH though Sili, I find this question slightly odd coming from you, considering that you've played both of the two only 'extended' games I've been in and I mentioned this in the sign up thread when Tina asked if I'd played before. You should already know that I've only been Town...

Even though you say you've got me as Town, my gut's wondering if you're trying to set me up as scum... Yes, it's early and I may already have a habit of always reading you as scum, but still...

I like my gut *g*

You wilfing against me again?

  

 

 

 

- 'Explains' himself to Clov, saying the tentative Town 'reads' weren't Town 'leans' yet (?)

- Doesn't respond to my question about whether or not he's wilfing, but claims my opening post is 'less likely to come from my first wolf game'.

 

Even I can see that this is strange and doesn't make sense (I don't even know how I'm going to sound when I eventually rand wolf!!). Again, comes across as Scum lining me up to fall when he flips, and I don't like it!

 

 

 

I'm just as confused btw.

 

Anyhow, clov, this is irrelevant. Miscommunication wouldn't make me scum. Like, when I said tentative I simply meant to imply these aren't town leans yet. It was different only in Cass' case since her opening is actually a lot less likely to come from her first wolf game; I was more certain and I wanted to convey something beyond the obvious: that the read depended on the veracity of her inexperience. 

 

Just because I didn't say something doesn't mean I'm not thinking it.

  

 

 

 

 

-Says jmm's question on how many wilves is 'wolfy'.

I don't understand this link, particularly since I was about to ask the same thing - pings.

 

 

 

 

Experienced mafia-ers: 

With 8 are we looking at 2 or 1 mafia probably?

 

on review this is wolfy. might downgrade you to a scum lean later.

  

 

 

 

 

- Says a whole lot of nothing/WIFOM in #43 that I really just do not get.

 

 

 

I thought it was obvious what happened and didn't want to clutter the thread. You're welcome try to figure me out, and you can ask and I can answer, Inconsistencies are terribly important. I remember catching one wolf who in the first 300 posts changed his behavior.

  

 

 

 

- Links to Town game for me, knows I tend to read him as scum, doesn't suggest any 'similarities' to look for.

 

 

- Swaps scum read from Clov to jmm and, after twice saying Clov was coming off as scum, changes to 'Nah, Clov's responses were ok - it was likely v/v violence'

 

- 'Explains'/makes excuses for the change by saying it 'gives breathing room/creates content'

(Not buying this - Again, W-W distance-protection vibe?)

 

- Makes possible W-W connection worse by saying 'If Clov is scum I'm spewed clear.'

 

 

 

I dont think i would read me as a wolf if i knew me so i dont see what u see tress.

Current reads are

Yates town

Clov town

Cass town

Tress town

Bfg town

Jmm scum.

Expect me to itterate heavily in the background. Sometimes ppl find it fishy that i nudge and swap targets but i like to give reads breathing room. It also creates content. If something is important ill usually elaborate to persuade people

  

Nah, Clov's responses were okay.  It was likely v/v violence.

  

Clov could always be scum lol, but if he is I'm spewed clear.

 

 

 

-Interacts with Thane, seems strange to ask if someone is 'ok' with a read of them, but tbh otherwise null to me.

 

 

 

i'm always cautious and selective on what and how i write things in a mafia game. On that note... from everything i've been reading here, you do feel/look wolfiest for the moment Sili.

 

Okay, good to know. It would explain a lot if you edit as you write, but I think I need to see your scum game. Are you okay with a light town lean due to impulsive and cavalier tone? Do you understand where I'm coming from?

  

 

 

 

 

- Suggests Yates is just fishing for responses pairing both of us as scum the pairings were 'absurd' (based on the fact I'm reacting the way I usually do).

The choice of the word 'absurd' and the limitation of the comment to just Yates here pings to me - Why just Yates when Tress also mentioned considering it? Why 'absurd' when both these players are apparently in your list for Town?? I don't like people thinking I may be linked with Sili, but calling the idea 'absurd' seems decidedly too strong. Knowing I am Town, and 'knowing' Sili makes a point of being very careful with his words, him choosing to describe it this way seems purposefully false and worries me. I may be tinfoiling like crazy here - but I'm getting the vibe (again) that I'm being (cleverly) set up. So, FTR, I don't like what that 'careful distance' might 'suggest' to the rest of Town if my gut is right and Sili flips scum.

 

- Adds 'objectively you look very good if I flip scum'

As above - I don't like what that 'approval' 'suggests'if/when Sili flips scum!

 

 

 

Kay then. I think after this game I'll ask you how you play scum if you haven't randed it here.

 

 

FWIW I really don't like people pairing me with Sili at this point, considering he's openly the one I've found most sus (Sorry Sili if I'm tinfoiling again).

 

I think Yates was fielding for responses... like, the pairings were absurd. You're reacting to me the exact way you usually do.

 

Objectively you look very good if I flip scum.

 

 

 

 

Sili

In a nutshell, at this point, I'm totally reading you as scum (again), but I'm interested in some elaboration from you before I vote.

 

- What are your thoughts/reactions to the above?

- Why should we be reading you as Town?

- What's the difference in your mind between a Town 'read' and a Town 'lean'?

- What was your reason for suggesting Clov was a likely Wolf? Do you have a reason for not elaborating at the time?

- You said chopping and changing is normal for you, and that you like to 'give your reads breathing room', but you 'pushed' Clov at least twice before suddenly dropping him and saying he actually seemed fine. Why?

- Why is jmm's question about the number of wolves scummy?

- How can you say you have Clov as Town because your interactions were 'likely v/v violence', but then claim you're 'spewed' clear if he is Scum? I can't follow that logic/don't see anything that points to either of these btw.

 

 

And lastly

 

 

O.m.g. Mobiles. Suck.

 

 

*End WoT*

 

That is all.

[Cass]

good luck!

 

Are you feeling confident about winning this one?

Thank-you! *hugs the law-breaker*

 

Confident about winning? Um, I feel fairly 'happy' with my gut reads (for the moment, *g*) ... but I can't honestly say that I'm 'confident' about them *rolls eyes at self*... Does that make sense?

 

What reads/leans do you have so far?

[Yates]

Oh, Yates, i know you appreciate games we're both in, and you're quite capable in reading me, but don't try to buddy too hard, might be suspicious

You need to check out the beer thread.  I had a super rare Belgian beer the other night and thought of you...  

 

My plan is to pocket you.  See how you respond.  Serious question; when is the last time I read you wrong?  I want to see that comfortable, free thinking, shoot from the hip Thane Town so I'm setting you up for it.  And if a "Be Nice" game isn't the proper format to get you to that place, I don't know what is.

 

Kay then. I think after this game I'll ask you how you play scum if you haven't randed it here.

It's a marked difference. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself but I will be on him like white on rice if I see one of two things that scream Thane-Scum...

[Yates]

I dont think i would read me as a wolf if i knew me so i dont see what u see tress.

I might have agreed with you prior to seeing you wolf recently. But since I have? I'm Team-Tina on this. It's early. Just be you.

 

I think Yates was fielding for responses... like, the pairings were absurd.

 

Objectively you look very good if I flip scum.

A couple of thoughts here:

1. Let's say for the sake of argument that you are correct about me "fielding for responses." Now I know that you are already aware of it and adjusting responses accordingly. Plus, you haven't actually responded to the connection/accusation other than to acknowledge it and claim the "pairings were absurd." I'd really like it if you could stop being so guarded [like you have something to hide] and just freestyle rap wit me a bit.

 

2. The pairings aren't absurd to me. Your interaction didn't look like the interaction of two people that don't know each other's alignments. I happen to agree with Cass on one point; the way you treated her vs. the way you treated Clov was very different. Would you please [and thank you in advance] explain the rationale there in a way that makes some sense to me?

 

3. That "if I flip scum" stuff always pings. Rhetorical question: You don't know if you will flip scum or not? That's why your answer to question #2 will help me decide if we can frolic in the stream of Equestria together or if you need to be sent to the glue factory to be turned into glitter paste.

[Yates]

I'm pretty darn sure it was Kiv, and thus Scum, that got that ball rolling. Can't do it right now but I'll try and find the link tonight... If I'm right, Yates, that's not exactly how I'd go about defining 'nice'.

Nope. It was Darthe. I only remembered because I had a good chuckle about it and I think we mentioned something in the scum QT about how nice it was to have Town doing our dirty work.    

 

FWIW I really don't like people pairing me with Sili at this point, considering he's openly the one I've found most sus (Sorry Sili if I'm tinfoiling again).

Don't worry about it too much. It's early in the game and just a running theory based on a page and half or so of content. Be yourself and post naturally. I think this kind of paranoia is probably a good look for you though and exactly what I was trying to extract from you. Tentative early Town lean. That's a carrot for you!

 

 

With that said, I *do* want to help you out.

Ok *gets serious* Have sat down and re-read to here (Thane's post #80).

 

In a nutshell, my gut reads this far are that Sili, followed by possibly Clov and Yates, are coming across somewhat wilfish.

I'm going to leave the Sili read alone because you have explained it. I'll also let Clov talk to you about your read on him. What's the "wilfish" lean on me? Is it because I tied you to Sili? If that's the sum total of your suspicion, I feel compelled to offer some unsolicited advice [obviously this is all assuming you are Town, as I suspect]. First, don't immediately assume that someone is scummy just because they call you scummy. Look at the logic behind it and the motivation. Do a fair assessment. If you don't, you get accused of "oh my gosh you stink!" [OMGUS - edited for ponies]. And second, don't worry too much about how you look. Just post your unfiltered thoughts. If you are Town, you can always explain your thoughts as being Town driven because, guess what, they are Town driven.

 

Keep going with your Sili case. I'm looking forward to seeing how the two of you interact going forward and given some flips.

[Sili Quirrels]

So, SIli.... how is JMM your scum suspect? you doubt he genuinly asks a question and throws a decoy question to get towncred?

 

@jmm: how many games have you played?

I'll need to account for his lack of games but my thinking was his posts were too 'excited', and didn't say much. He only asks one question, how many mafia there are in an 8 person team with his second post. -felt like he might have done it just for town cred the way it was phrased.

[Sili Quirrels]

Cass i wont flip scum lol

[Cass]

Aaand on to Clov. I'm in the plain text after the italics for each point this time, to see if it makes things easier to read.

 

*Ignores the time and takes a deep breath* (This game will kill me! *g*)

 

 

Observations/Analysis (Clov)

 

- Starts about half an hour after Sili. Cracks a couple of jokes related to Tina's typo.

Seems mostly null. 

 

 

 

Of course. 

 

 

 

 

(If anyone of you wonder - yes, I have a secrete co-mod. She is the pony expert.)

 

lol secrete co-mod?

 

What is she secreting?

 

 

 

That sentence might have implications I hadn't originally intended.

 

(I don't think I'm even gonna try and go there...)

 

 

 

 

- Begins/continues interactions with Sili:

(nullish) 

 

- Asks Sili if he ate the cake (after Sili's vote on BFG)

Liked this, since I also found Sili's vote felt off there.

 

- Gets 'accused' of being a party killer by Sili.

- Jokes about Killer Secretions Mafia 

... ok...

 

- Says he's 'not feeling very strongly about anyone right now'. Give's Sili a slight push with 'you're probably the best I've got right now.'

Plausible given that it's early, but not very committed.

 

 

 

Sili, did you eat the cake?  Be honest.

 

 

 

I am not a party killer. But your response is.

 

Killer Secretions Mafia imo.

 

 

 

 

I got town vibes and one scum vibe.

 

I'm not feeling very strongly about anyone right now.  You're probably the best I've got right now.

 

 

 

 

- Picks up the 'pressure' on Sili. Uses Sili's 'read' of me as the base:

Valid but ... *shoves on tinfoil hat*... parts 'fit' my current theory that Sili and Clov are W-W, and my concern that I'm being set up by Scum again.

 

- Says he's confused as to how Sili can take a hard stance on my alignment based on my first post.

Agree with this, but then

 

- Asks why I'm 'incapable' of making that post as scum?

My opening being null is a valid point in theory, but in practice I don't like that he uses the word 'incapable' here, in a tone that suggests he's saying I'm actually 'capable' of making that post as scum. Same potential as before. Scum casting doubt on my alignment based on 'questions' of my ability. Sili 'brushes this off' by saying 'she's not incapable?'. Tinfoily as all bollocks? Maybe. Either way, I don't like it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yates = town - tentative
BFG = town - tentative
Jmm = town - tentative
Cass = town - unless she's played a couple drawn out wolf games recently.

Clov = scum - tentative

 

I'm incredibly confused as to how you can take a hard stance on somebody's alignment based on this.

 

Lol @Tina-mod...Ponies!?

Also, Yey! We're up!!

*is excited*

 

 

Why is she incapable of making that post as scum?

 

 

 

 

- Pushes harder at Sili for saying 'All my reads are tentative of course' so early on, and questions the caveat Sili put on his read of me compared to others.

This actually came across as Town to me (and was the part I was referring to when I mentioned the partial mind-meld with Clov).

 

 

 

She's not incapable? But it might be hard.

All my reads are tentative of course.

 

Then I REALLY don't understand your post.  I would assume any read somebody has at this stage would be tentative.  If you're jumping up and down screaming "(whoever) IS TOWN!  100% GUARANTEED" at this stage, I would assume that's a TMI thing because nobody's said anything.  

 

So you pointing out your reads on Yates, BFG, Jmm, and me being tentative seemed unnecessary.  But if your read on Cass is also tentative, why didn't you caveat it the same way and instead used the caveat that she would be town unless she's played some games as mafia?

 

 

 

 

- Talks about the 'relevance' of their 'different' opinions and the fact that he's considering Sili might be scum.

Ok, but slightly off. Feels kind of fake. He say's he'd rather 'try to judge' Sili on his reads than on 'meaningless posts' from the first page, but did judge him there. And then agrees that 'miscommunication' doesn't make someone scum and (?over) explains the possibility that Sili's PM may have made him scum and that it's his job to figure that out. Appeals for Town cred by essentially explaining stuff that is rather obvious, and then associating himself with 'everyone's' likely reasoning (bold in spoiler).

 

 

I'm just as confused btw.

 

Anyhow, clov, this is irrelevant. Miscommunication wouldn't make me scum. Like, when I said tentative I simply meant to imply these aren't town leans yet. It was different only in Cass' case since her opening is actually a lot less likely to come from her first wolf game; I was more certain and I wanted to convey something beyond the obvious: that the read depended on the veracity of her inexperience. 

 

Just because I didn't say something doesn't mean I'm not thinking it.

 

First, I've said this before, and I'll say it again - what's irrelevant to you isn't necessarily irrelevant to me.  Your reads were by far the most substantial thing in the game to the point I brought it up.  I would much rather try to judge you off something like that the meaningless posts from the first page.

 

Second, no, miscommunication doesn't make someone scum.  But your role PM might make you scum, and it's my job to figure that out.  I can ask for an explanation on what seems like some inconsistency between several statements you made, or I can ignore it.  I think everyone can agree the former is going to be more helpful than the latter.

 

 

 

 

 

Questions me directly

- Says he's not sure how me being set up as scum by scum would work.

- Asks me what I'm thinking/to explain.

Maybe I wasn't overly clear in my initial statements to Sili, but I found Clov asking for explanations on this odd because i)at the end of the last game, I thought it was pretty obvious that this had been one of scum's main ploys when it came to me, and ii) I distinctly remember Clov commenting on the DT/after the game. I kind of made these points in my response (bold in the spoiler). He hasn't posted since asking me the initial question, so I'm still waiting to see what comes up in his response to my explanation.

 

 

 

 

Cass, have you played a lot of scum? could you link me?

None! I'm still (somewhat nervously) awaiting my first rand as scum... For now I'm honestly still quite happy to just keep being Town and keep learning/figuring out how to solve the puzzles!!

TBH though Sili, I find this question slightly odd coming from you, considering that you've played both of the two only 'extended' games I've been in and I mentioned this in the sign up thread when Tina asked if I'd played before. You should already know that I've only been Town...

Even though you say you've got me as Town, my gut's wondering if you're trying to set me up as scum... Yes, it's early and I may already have a habit of always reading you as scum, but still...

I like my gut *g*

You wilfing against me again?

 

 

I'm not sure how that would work.  What are you thinking here?

 

 

@ Clov - Just that it was odd that he would 'call' me Town 'like everyone else' but do it in a way that casts doubt/insinuates that I might be different from the others he listed...

Kinda feels like the same as my first game where the Scum mostly said 'I have her as Town,' and then carefully insinuated it was possible I could be Scum because it was plausible that I could be being helped. The doubt that move cast over the rest of Town haunted/followed me for the whole freaking game.

I feel like it was a search for something similar to push against me in this game: 'I have her as Town, BUT she could be pulling the wool over your eyes/could be Scum now because even though she's fairly new, she's had experience being Scum before...'

Since I know I'm Town again (and probably also because I'm once bitten, twice shy) it pings/makes me wary.

Does that make any sense? (I'm typing this on phone whilst trying not to ignore the toddler - let me know if doesn't)

Also, you read the last game, right? Do you think something different??

@ Sili - Do you have links to a recent Town game at all?

Going out to lunch/running errands now, back tonight when the kid's in bed - GL!

 

 

 

Other

Pretty much null

 

- Jokes in response to Yate's first post

Seemed purposefully flippant, but not necessarily scummy.

 

- Answers jmm's question about the number of scum likely to be in this game

Says two. Initially I took this as Town/null, and nobody else experienced has contradicted the answer so it's probably correct, but, just to dot i's and cross t's can the mod/other experienced players please confirm this is right, please?

 

 

Does this make me a Brony?

Nice to be playing in a game. I'll see what's up after I learn how to take care of a baby in my infant care class tonight. I guess shaking babies like a martini is supposedly "bad" now. Who knew?

 

Shaking martinis is bad.  Bond is a not the role model you want when it comes to alcohol.

 

 

Experienced mafia-ers: 

With 8 are we looking at 2 or 1 mafia probably? 

 

Two.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ Clov

 

It's not much to go on yet, but already I'm reading your posts with a scummish lean, especially in relation to Sili/points raised by Sili. At this point you seem to be the second most likely wolf to me. I know I haven't played a proper game with you and could just be tinfoiling/reading you all wrong so I'm interested to know your thoughts/figure this out further.

 

- What are your responses/reactions to the above?

- What is your current read on Sili, and why? 

 

[Cass]

 

So, SIli.... how is JMM your scum suspect? you doubt he genuinly asks a question and throws a decoy question to get towncred?

 

@jmm: how many games have you played?

I'll need to account for his lack of games but my thinking was his posts were too 'excited', and didn't say much. He only asks one question, how many mafia there are in an 8 person team with his second post. -felt like he might have done it just for town cred the way it was phrased.

 

 

Feels scummy.

 

Cass i wont flip scum lol

 

Feels SCUMMIER. I go to significant effort to specifically point out everything and explain my point of view, and ask for specific replies so that I can try and understand you in case my scum-read on you is tinfoil again, and you deflect with 'I won't flip scum lol'? If you really are Town this sort of flippant refusal to help me understand really is not helpful and it just makes me doubt you even more.

 

In fact,

 

[v]Sili[/v].

 

 

Will you help me now?

[Yates]

Initially I took this as Town/null, and nobody else experienced has contradicted the answer so it's probably correct, but, just to dot i's and cross t's can the mod/other experienced players please confirm this is right, please?

Depending on powers and balance and stuff like that, scum are usually 25% of the game. So yes, we are likely dealing with two scum.

[Niniel]

 

 

 

VC

 

Sili (1) - Cass

 

 

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. 

It´s Day 1. Day ends Saturday 9 PM CET. (GMT + 1) 

 

 

 

[Thane Vakarian]

 

good luck!

 

Are you feeling confident about winning this one?

Thank-you! *hugs the law-breaker*

 

Confident about winning? Um, I feel fairly 'happy' with my gut reads (for the moment, *g*) ... but I can't honestly say that I'm 'confident' about them *rolls eyes at self*... Does that make sense?

 

What reads/leans do you have so far?

 

Basically the same as yours actually. For the moment, Sili and Clov feel worst. Don't get any other bad vibes here. Cautious about jmm, seeing i don't know his game. Will be interesting to see how things develop this game.

 

 

Oh, Yates, i know you appreciate games we're both in, and you're quite capable in reading me, but don't try to buddy too hard, might be suspicious

You need to check out the beer thread.  I had a super rare Belgian beer the other night and thought of you...  

 

My plan is to pocket you.  See how you respond.  Serious question; when is the last time I read you wrong?  I want to see that comfortable, free thinking, shoot from the hip Thane Town so I'm setting you up for it.  And if a "Be Nice" game isn't the proper format to get you to that place, I don't know what is.

You're indeed quite often right about reading me. And, you don't need to set me up as Thane Town, i'm already Town in this game. And i like to hunt wolves (seriously, i need fur)

 

 

Initially I took this as Town/null, and nobody else experienced has contradicted the answer so it's probably correct, but, just to dot i's and cross t's can the mod/other experienced players please confirm this is right, please?

Depending on powers and balance and stuff like that, scum are usually 25% of the game. So yes, we are likely dealing with two scum.

 

yup, i think so too. 25% scum = 2 wolves. Which we can get to fast if we eliminate the most obvious townies first. Good thing is that most players only need to look into 7 people. Besides me, i think Tress and Cass are most likely town, so i'm down to checking 4 players (with the other two in the back of my mind, depending on how the game develops)

[Sili Quirrels]

cass, you're tunneling. confirmation bias is really strong.

[Sili Quirrels]

too much clique. i'm out - don't care about defending myself.

 

i'll help with reads and stuff to eod.