[Basic]: Be Nice Mafia

[Sili Quirrels]

well that was my thinking anyway. it certainly helps that i'm biased though.

[Cass]

i'm here

 

well, at work, and it's quite busy, but i'll do what i can

Hi :) Some further thoughts/questions likely incoming for you... lawbreaker... you sure that you're not scum?

 

 

Anyone still here? I'm torn here between continuing my catch up and interacting in real time...

 

I'm-a thinking about going to bed since it's after 12:30.

 

But thinking about it and doing it are separate issues.  

 

 

It's only 6:45pm here and I am wrecked. Funny, but I can generally stay up all night and not be too affected the next day if I get 1.5-3hrs sleep somewhere along the line (thank-you, shift-work), but go to sleep for a decent length of time overnight and then get up early? Exhausting. I totally understand the 'thinking about it' vs 'doing it' thing though. I'm too addicted to the challenges of scum hunting for my own good *g*

I love-love-hate this game  

 

 

*Still trying to go back and read*

[Sili Quirrels]

oh right lol that post.

 

back to thane and bfg XD

[Thane Vakarian]

@Cass: you can ask me anything, and i'm 100 % certain that i'm not one of the wolves this game. It's one of the few certainties i have right now. 

[Sili Quirrels]

so lemme see if i remember.

 

bfg: intermittent activity. some sketchiness. don't really count the 'against' a mislynch against her.

tress: leaves my case, comes back to it. passive-aggressive sort of nudges and refuses to actually build a case on me that i could refute or help with.

clov: fence-sits a lot and isn't always clear about what he's thinking. but on the other hand he approaches enough angles and notices enough details to seem town.

yates: a lot of reaction tests, and i guess i'm kind of associating reaction tests with town yates.

thane: the reason isn't compelling for me. if i town read him again it'll be from tone/content.

[Cass]

Cass, what did you want to ask Jmm?  

 

If he could/would explain the philosophy of his 'style' so I could try to understand how it would/if it could be more beneficial to Town than Scum.

 

And if he'd played the game of mafia before at all before / why he was 'careful' to specify 'forum mafia' here when he'd said in the other thread that he'd 'been out of mafia a while' ... still find this suss, actually. 

[Sili Quirrels]

i'm caught between two hard places again. tress - thane. one of them is probably (?) scum if i ignore clov and yates.

 

and to be honest, i should probably ignore clov and yates. they aren't getting lynched this game.

[Sili Quirrels]

well, they aren't getting lynched because of me at least.

[Thane Vakarian]

why are you so sure they won't get lynched? They seem too townie?

[Sili Quirrels]

LOADED QUESTION.

 

but yes, they seem too townish. they're on the top of the general poe.

[Clovdyx]

 

Cass, what did you want to ask Jmm?  

 

If he could/would explain the philosophy of his 'style' so I could try to understand how it would/if it could be more beneficial to Town than Scum.

 

And if he'd played the game of mafia before at all before / why he was 'careful' to specify 'forum mafia' here when he'd said in the other thread that he'd 'been out of mafia a while' ... still find this suss, actually. 

 

 

Well, I don't see why you would doubt him on that, but I guess it doesn't matter.  Thanks for answering.

[Cass]

 

 

 

maybe. if town lynches thane it should be for his content, not night actions.

 

could you remind me why you think bfg is town? i'll get to it eventually in the thread, but i'd like to see where you're coming from at present.

 

"Remind" would imply that I've stated a town read on her previously, which I haven't.  But there are some things that occurred to me during my re-read today to recalibrate.

 

I'll get into more of that later.  I'd like to get BFG, Cass, Yates and Thane into the discussion again before I toss all my thoughts out there.  Further information may color my thinking.

 

Keep going with your thoughts, though, since you're going to be limited on time - I assume you're in Tommy's mashup game starting tomorrow?

 

 

You should toss some of them out there.  I feel like I don't have enough substance for you to really label you one way or another, so you're stuck in POEville. 

 

 

I'm not too stressed about the POE for the moment.  We have a solid couple of days for discussion, and I'm in curious mode. 

 

I expect that most people - except Cass, bless her heart - consider me a question mark, and if they want to push me for answers, that's cool, but there are things I'm looking for right now.  I fully expect I'll have more thoughts once everyone is back engaged in the game after the weekend.  

 

Except for those who are being sucked into Tommy's game of doom, who we will probably never see again.

 

 

 

lol @ this. I totally consider you a question mark. 

 

But at this point, it's a Towny question mark because I haven't seen much that actually pings.

Plus, you promised me you weren't scum    

 

[Thane Vakarian]

here's another question then: if you look too townie, doesn't that make you a suspect?

[Clovdyx]

Where is Cass in your order, Sili?

[Songstress]

oksleepies.

 

I took my melatonin about 20 minutes ago and I should go lay down before I fall asleep at my desk. 

 

 

:sleepy:  G'night ponies

[Cass]

I'm fighting off a cold and drained after 6+ hours of NFL Playoffs and chores. So I'm too lazy to do my typical Yates quote then respond thing...

 

@Cass - I understand that you think I'm buddying you. That's fine. Just be sure to keep two pieces of information in mind as you evaluate that opinion; 1. I have you solid Town for reasons already stated [primarily a level of effort/paranoia/game solving that I can't see being faked by a 1st time scum] and 2. This is a be nice game. I feel like I've been buddying everyone. It's unnatural...

 

 

@Sili - Serious question; why did you say this: "don't know why the wolves thought jmm would be a power role?" You are a clever pony and I'd like some help understanding your motivation here.

 

@Clov - I think your argument with Sili wrt Thane is [was?] a misunderstanding. It looks like you two may have worked it out but I'm going to give you my impression anyway since I wasn't here to interact/intercede in real time. Sili is saying that Thane didn't bother "reading" JMM, he just saw something he considered a PR hint and dropped all suspicion entirely. I happen to agree with this narrative. Thane said he was "cautious" of JMM having never played with him [in post 98]. Then Thane voted JMM "on a hunch" in post 308 - but never really explained how he got there since the only scum reads he *had* explained at the time were on you and Sili. JMM made his "You will not be happy with the result if you lynch me" post in post 311. Then in post 328 Thane unvotes saying "By what you hint, jmm, you're valuable to town.... if i can understand that, so can the wolves." You were asserting that Thane choosing to believe JMM means Thane decided to read JMM as Town. But I agree with Sili that it wasn't actually a "read" so much as Thane saw a PR hint and decided to abandon the wagon. I actually *am* [usually] the Thane whisperer and I don't recall him accepting PR hints as reason enough to abandon a scum read unless others abandoned first. So, I share in Sili's concern. Otherwise, I like where your head is at.

 

@Thane - Am I wrong about what I just said? I feel like you don't typically accept PR hints on your scum suspects at face value. PR claims? Maybe a different story... What made you bail on JMM? Also, is there something preventing you from posting as often as you typically do? This is a small game so your thoughts and opinions are really super important to share. Like, more important than in the larger games that you were much more active in. I miss you.

 

@Tress - Two questions for you, my lovely: 1. Would you mind explaining to me your read on BFG? I think you have more experience with her than I do and I'd like to know what you are seeing. And 2. Would you mind explaining your Thane read a little more as well? I'm a little confused as I read through your progression on him because sometimes it looks to me like you think he's scum but then you also say he is likely being "set up."

 

@BFG - You are a pretty pony. Won't you come out and play?

 

 

 

The red. If you're feeling that it's unnatural for you to be buddying everyone, then maybe that's because it is. And, further - just because you 'have me solid Town' doesn't mean you're not a Wolf  . 

 

 

Does it? 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

Where is Cass in your order, Sili?

my sketchy list:

 

sili - duh

cass

yates

clov

bfg

thane

tress

 

here's another question then: if you look too townie, doesn't that make you a suspect?

no?

[Thane Vakarian]

night Tress

[Thane Vakarian]

Honest question: if someone manages to seem Town from early D1, and they keep it going, does that mean they can't be wolf?

 

I think, they still can be. But you'd have to be good.

[Sili Quirrels]

of course. i've seen it before.

 

yates is one of those people i think.

clov looks to be.

[Cass]

 

 

Oh. So you're saying you know where JMM hinted but that you didn't believe him to be a PR?

That isn't clear??

 

No, it didn't factor.

 

No. It wasn't. It looked like you were trying to pretend you hadn't seen the PR hint post.

 

So, can you indulge me in one more inquiry? What was it that made you think JMM was likely a VT? As far as I can ascertain, and I believe you are admitting by virtue of your purported need to distance yourself from the kill, you claimed JMM was your top scum suspect. So I guess I don't see what would have made you think JMM was lying about his hint since you did back off on him after that post.

 

 

 

tone lol.

 

I actually agree with Sili on this, at least for the part that I didn't believe jmm was hinting at a PR. I considered it, but I tone read it more as a potential scum ploy to try and avoid getting lynched - possibly because I find/found his play style scummy and was considering him potential scum - and because I get the feeling he actually has more experience with game mechanics than he was letting on in this game.

[Clovdyx]

Honest question: if someone manages to seem Town from early D1, and they keep it going, does that mean they can't be wolf?

 

I think, they still can be. But you'd have to be good.

 

Is this towards someone specific, and more importantly, about someone specific?

[Thane Vakarian]

I was thinking you Clov, to put it outright. 

[Sili Quirrels]

-but it doesn't mean you lynch them.

 

 

 

 

Oh. So you're saying you know where JMM hinted but that you didn't believe him to be a PR?

That isn't clear??
 
No, it didn't factor.

 

No. It wasn't. It looked like you were trying to pretend you hadn't seen the PR hint post.

So, can you indulge me in one more inquiry? What was it that made you think JMM was likely a VT? As far as I can ascertain, and I believe you are admitting by virtue of your purported need to distance yourself from the kill, you claimed JMM was your top scum suspect. So I guess I don't see what would have made you think JMM was lying about his hint since you did back off on him after that post.

 

 

 

tone lol.

 

I actually agree with Sili on this, at least for the part that I didn't believe jmm was hinting at a PR. I considered it, but I tone read it more as a potential scum ploy to try and avoid getting lynched - possibly because I find/found his play style scummy and was considering him potential scum - and because I get the feeling he actually has more experience with game mechanics than he was letting on in this game.

 

the pr claim thing was just a 'it doesn't make that much sense'. in my experience pr hints are null and it didn't factor.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Oh. So you're saying you know where JMM hinted but that you didn't believe him to be a PR?

That isn't clear??

 

No, it didn't factor.

 

No. It wasn't. It looked like you were trying to pretend you hadn't seen the PR hint post.

 

So, can you indulge me in one more inquiry? What was it that made you think JMM was likely a VT? As far as I can ascertain, and I believe you are admitting by virtue of your purported need to distance yourself from the kill, you claimed JMM was your top scum suspect. So I guess I don't see what would have made you think JMM was lying about his hint since you did back off on him after that post.

 

 

 

tone lol.

 

I actually agree with Sili on this, at least for the part that I didn't believe jmm was hinting at a PR. I considered it, but I tone read it more as a potential scum ploy to try and avoid getting lynched - possibly because I find/found his play style scummy and was considering him potential scum - and because I get the feeling he actually has more experience with game mechanics than he was letting on in this game.

 

 

I don't see an argument that he wasn't hinting at it.  He certainly could have been doing so as scum to avoid getting lynched, but I definitely feel he was trying to represent himself as one.  

 

I also don't think Sili was saying he didn't believe Jmm was hinting.  Just that he didn't believe Jmm was being truthful.  But Sili would have to confirm that.