[Basic/Standard] A Wind in the Door Mafia - GAME OVER, TOWN WINS

[Tommyrod]

Gimme the scoop on Err

[Yates]

Gimme the scoop on Err

I don't have experience with him. Cory apparently did? Anyway, he provided some game links and had him at the bottom of his POE with Sili. Also included him in his "good luck finding two Townies in these players" post.

 

This is all I was able to come up with:

Starting my Err ISO:

 

 

this has been very active 30 hours!!!!! i reread all post twice to make sure i got things right.... here is what i think

Gets me ready for a nice reads list or summarized thought on the thread. Instead, we get this. Which he even edited.

 

Still waiting for you to do SOMETHING with this, Err. What was the point??

 

His next 2 posts are basically play by plays on what happened in the thread.

 

@manbat.... i did not find in any post where you come out against silly as mafia and yet you vote for him out of the blue and couple of people follow you (tommy, cory)... its weird its not in the vote count... i have to check that one again.

This is the first post I would consider legit content/involvement in the game.

 

.... giving opinion does not mean the purpose is acting super townish... but for us to know where you allegiance lie.... even tough its day one.... we are past the point were we do not have enough to go on for commenting.

Agreed. So why aren't you commenting?

 

i am probably going to vote for either sleeper, tommy, corymish, dicecsarmi or manbat once i re-read everything that happened in the last 24 hours again.

So that's nearly 1/2 the game in the lynch pool. Why this half?

 

Just quoting this for chuckles:

[@Csarmi!] btw i was thinking you and cory are mafia together...... you defending him here no matter how softly didnt help

@2: yes is someone hard claims mafia, i am going to take it seriously..... at first i thought survivor was a towny role with some sort of day time inspection powers.... until wikied the role.... that is y now i am also back tracking on sleeper being mafia... i have not much to go on for him now.

 

@3: a bit defensive?? dont you think?? no one is linking you and monstr in the post you quoted, and in the reply you are also reiterating that monstr is very little scummy enough to keep an extra eye on him. so i dont know what you were trying to clarify.

Derp?

 

I will admit, I kind of liked this take on events in his catch up post [particularly the bold]:

i was in the phase of writing my analysis but i will post what ever i have now anyway....

 

@ corry and Yates stand off:

apart from references that i didnt understand (VT game, Krak game, POG, VS, discoworld, Des reference, doc who, Firefly) throughout the standoff cory was pushing yates for lynch. i thought yates didnt crack under pressure. for which i leaned town on both corry and yates. until yates reveled his role. which i believe is the truth. 

something interesting happened tough in between.... which cory was building momentum for yate lynch and trying to convince others to join in. jmm and manbat casually also started suspecting yates over things that i thought were very innocent. potentially making grounds for there lynch vote on yates look legit later on.

 

after yates revealed his character. manbat changed his vote for sili... while i would think he would have voted for leno, jmm, Pral or Yates, based on his suspicion list.. (which will also be uploaded soon)

 

so for the time being im leaning mafia for manbat. and will vote for him unless something else pops up in the last few pages

my scum list is as follows

 

manbat

lenlo

sleeper

Were Lenlo and Hoya consensus scum reads at this point? I'll have to check. If not, this is a reasonable reads list.

 

Until this...

guys lets just lynch jmm..... 14mins.... pin it on me if it goes wrong... but lynch now

Where did this come from all of a sudden?

 

Less village equity than jmm at first glance. His day end play has me more concerned than anything else. Null/scum lean.

 

Kind of want Err in here and feeling the pressure.

[Tommyrod]

I shall aid you in your quest!!

 

[unvote]

 

[v]##Err[/v]

 

I'm just kind of assuming you are town; you'd tell me if you weren't, right?

[Yates]

Something worth viewing with fresh eyes:

i am probably going to vote for either sleeper, tommy, corymish, dicecsarmi or manbat once i re-read everything that happened in the last 24 hours again.

If Err is scum, I think Hoya is his scum buddy on that list - assuming you actually are a survivor.

[Yates]

I'm just kind of assuming you are town; you'd tell me if you weren't, right?

No. But I'd rat out Hally in a heartbeat.

[Tommyrod]

Lol I like that

[Tommyrod]

I still want to bother Hoya but I'm giving him slack due to my game still ongoing

 

But if he's alive at endgame you guys need to lunch him up

[Niniel]

Poor Cory. How often does he survive N1?

 

Monstr. Cory is dead you gotta pick up please?

Tommy, i dont trust you very far, but i am going to honor Cory's wishes. You're still better off helping town for a while if third party.

Tina, we desperately need you. You are lock clear and a good player. Come and solve.

 

Thank you. I will be back in a few hours and I will solve the game. 

 

 

And I'm mostly caught up!

 

My stomach tells me:

 

These are villagers.

Monstramus

Cory

Mish

Pral

 

These might be scum.

Csarmi/Dice

Tina

Sleepah

Tom

Jmm

 

 

These are scum.

-none-

 

 

sili

 

 

why is pral town?

 

 

Because I wouldn't be okay with his lynch.

 

 

why?

 

 

Why so sensitive?

 

Pral is acting the same way he did in the marlfox game, but a little better because his list isn't as bad.

 

 

 

why?

 

 

Why so sensitive?

 

Pral is acting the same way he did in the marlfox game, but a little better because his list isn't as bad.

 

I always find this stuff REALLY wolfy

 

so don't do it anymore :thumbs:

 

 

 

Right so heres my main reason why i think Sili is mafia.

 

Pral had done pretty much nothing all game at this point. definetly not enuff to be second on anyones town list.

 

when questioned on WHY pral is town do i get an actual reason?  No i get "because i wouldnt be ok with it"

 

I ask why wouldnt he be ok with it and i get answer thats not a real reason, plus some snark. Enough snark that even cory chimes in on it.

 

 

I will take a look at this when I get back. 

 

Are you no longer suspicious of Tom?

 

And I think Hoya is scum.

Do we have a solve? GG, rerand?

 

Hoya = Sleeper, right? 

[csarmi]

susp of Tom but he may be survivor and now is not the best time to lynch one

[Niniel]

When is the best time to lynch one? 

[csarmi]

Best is to vig them.

Lynch them: D1, or the day before Lylo.

[Sili Quirrels]

[v]err[/v]

[Tommyrod]

Tina,

 

Sup?

[csarmi]

She may want to use voodoo magic on you. Nothing personal I am sure.

[Tommyrod]

What's with your SOFT PUSHES

 

I thought we were friends?

 

Don't be scared of my indie swag

[Sili Quirrels]

selami, on review, your iso reads very egalitarian and cantankerous. plus there isn't much casing and it looks like you're hanging back, while enabling dice's reads. What isn't fluff are gut reads that align with the thread, and defending yourself and covering for dice.

 

I will say there seems to be nice progression for what it's worth,  but I'm suspicious this is because of your hydra. You're playing up your meta by attacking low-hanging fruit and over-defending yourself.

 

I'm on page 6 of 10. Putting you up/down to null.

[csarmi]

I dont understand half your words but carry on.

[Tommyrod]

Salami, I wouldn't be surprised if you were scum.

 

I think I'll let you win if that's the case though.

 

You're welcome.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:
 
Sili (2) - Sarmtosser, jmm

Err (3) - HalliYates, Tommy, Sili

Not voting (5): Lenlo, Err, Manbat, Sleeper, Tina
 

 
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
 
Deadline for Day 2 is Sunday, December 14 @ 9:00 PM MST
Countdown link: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141214T21&p0=197&msg=DAY+TWO+DEADLINE&csz=1
 
MOD NOTES:
* Because the 72-hour deadline falls on a weekend, I may be convinced to extend the deadline to 9:00 AM MST on Monday if requested.

[Tommyrod]

Im on page 14 and tired, so ill finish up this catchup when I wake. Heres what ive got so far. Also I can assume Corys voting me right now just cause I subbed in, so [v]Cory[/v] Love you, thanks for letting me back in the building.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quotes.

 

 

 

 

vote manbat. Fakest post EVER!

This rubbed me the wrong way. Q since ive been gone: How much has Dice played with Bats here?

Finally a game. I haven´t played in over a month. *shivers*

 

A lot of players in this game that I haven´t played with before. Hi! I´m Tina. :)

 

 

Usually dingus starts like this. First post is all posturing, then he warms up and town tells like mad.

Defending someone on the first page?

 

[v] Sili Quirrels [/v]

 

 

Are you Sili? Or SQ?

I wanna say this is a slight town lead right here, because shes going at someone on D1 Pg1, but its only lightly.

 

Greeting, everyone! Been out of mafia a while but here goes...

 

I have to admit this should be amusing to watch you try to read someone you've never seen before… commence!

 

yeahh.... it has started.... will take time getting used to tracking all new names for me.....

I am going to say this now so I don't make dumb mistakes later:

 

I think I have a bad tendency to box out players I don't know very well. I haven't played with either of you before, so here's my tl;dr - my name is Cory, I tend to post a lot and get really involved in games. I'm very competitive. So here's a little quick question/answer for both of you - if it seems not game-related or inane please answer it anyway to humor me:

 

1 - Do you prefer being town or Mafia? What aspect of the game do you enjoy?

2 - What do you think makes you valuable as a townie?

3 - What do you think makes you valuable as Mafia?

 

Err, off the top of your head do you have any links from DM you think would be good examples of how you play as a villager and as Mafia? I will probably browse old games when I get the chance for myself but want to give you the opportunity to see what games you are proudest of.

1) I love you.

2) I miss you.

3) Do you miss me?

 

Monstr

Sili

Salami

 

Dice is overdoing it

 

Sup [v]##Dice[/v]

Sheepmode engaged.

 

[v]##Dice[/v]

Csarmi being flippant? Has the world gone insane?

Cory, lynching you would break something in my soul. So be a villager here or have your team night kill you. Tx.

Unless Cs has changed how he played, dont like this. Also before you yell at me for not liking this, screw you Cory, cause I know its going to be you yelling at me.

 

 

Tommy advise me:

 

Assume my meta on Tina is exact and Tina is a villager

 

Does Pral open with support of her as a wolf? y/n

 

I want your take

If he's trying to evolve his wolf meta yes

 

Keep in mind he's still a relatively inexperienced wolf.

 

He's pulled a ~180 between last two wolf games purposefully, if he's a wolf again he would want to get out ahead of the stampede to gain some villa cred in advance since he often falls into POE for low participation

 

Throwing out a meta take on someone isn't hard to do, in fact he's used good behavioral reasoning as a wolf in the past to justify his leans

 

But there's something subtle to his early jokingness and injected serious meta commentary that reads like a wolf changing gears too fast. That's why I mentioned mucks but you can use any player like that that's trying for a power wolf start

Eh? What is subtle about it? I had a couple of jokey posts initially and then started to look at the game. Looks like you are trying to invent reasons to justify your read.

Defensive Pral is defensive.

I don't wanna die.

To bad.

Actually know what

 

I'm gonna hard claim scum right now

 

Hard claim: mafia roleblocker

 

Let's see who wants to lynch me

Op, D1 #solved.

 

 

 

 

Sp pages 1-7 is mostly fluff. Its not till we get to 8 and Cory starts askin about Pral that things get interesting. I hadnt seen it before Tommys post (153) but I agree with him on Pral. Before this Pral was kinda fallin off my radar cause hes just, well, Pral. Hes quiet.

 

Gettin some defensive pral on page 10. Some mish. Cs jumps on another random person. Unless hes changed since I last played this doesnt feel like CS to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Town

 

Towny

TinaHel - Tina tends to not be up front like that initial calling out of Sili. Not clearing her but dont think shes scum.

CorMish (Cory/Mish hydra) - <3 Cory is being cory. Hes being loud and upfront. Mish has been quiet but dunno how shes been lately.

Err - He put in work for the response to cory. Wouldnt expect scum to do that much but dont know him well.

Manbat - Hes manbat. That makes him the hero we want, not the hero we deserve right?

HalliYates (Hallia/Yates hydra) - Still dont like Hallia's plays, but im always ALWAYS wrong on that front so im gonna just reverse whats in my head and hope it works.

 

Neutral

jmm (mentored by Kivam)

Sili Quirrels

Sleeper Service

 

Scummy

Sarmtosser (Dice/Csarmi hydra) - Cause of Dice so far. CS is eh. Give it time though cause D1, CS and Dice both tend to be really obvious later on in the game. Havnt liked much of CS though. Seems like hes buddying.

Pralaya - Gettin alittle defensive against Tommy for somethin that wasnt much along with Tommies points.

 

Scum

Tommyrod - Admitted mafia roleblocker.

 

I love the mixture of gags and sleeping thread consensus (and me) in this post

 

0 original content AFAICT

 

Lenlo, this is some low level woofin

[Tommyrod]

I like spoilers ok?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be flat honest you guys are making me want to quit the game

That's more corrosive than I wanted. I wanted a low stress environment to mull over the cognitive dissonance I have regarding mafia games and game theory and play styles and see if I can use anything I garnered from the champs game to my advantage in hunting or designing games. But I'm being told I'm not happy enough instead. Bunch of jerks

 

Emo Tommy is emo and I dont like it.

 

 

Mentally I'm being pulled in about six different directions right now, and I mean game wise, not just from work and stuff

You can expect a strange and foreign tommy to emerge from his cocoon in this game

Try not to be scared

 

Excuses? This doesnt feel like the usual Tommy to me, so either somethings up IRL or hes scum here.

 

Why would I walk away? Do I need to? I'm generating the most activity.

 

Tommys salty.

 

Okay lol I went too far I think.

Sorry Cory. I'm just messing with you to see how you'd react to continual CRUNKUS.

You pass.

ILU irl

 

ITS COOL GUYS IT WAS ALL PART OF THE PLAN. Sorry no bueno. Maybe next time im caught as scum I should just go "It was all part of my master plan, dont worry.". I havnt liked your play these past 3 pages, stop sucking.

 

Tommy, Dice is 100% serious there. Also, you do NOT wanna thunderdome with us, trust me.

 

RAWR CSARMI SMASH PUNY TOMMY! RAAAWRARWRAR. Srs though this is a threat I didnt expect CS to make.

 

You make me sad selami. Despothera is gone, and I'll probably miss his presence because he was the man who basically defined dm meta.

 

Really? Eh. Maybe I can come back now then.

 

Hard claim Survivor

Sleeper Service is one of two wolves

You guys find the other one

It's probably not Sili since Hoya went after him early and nobody seems rustled with his wagon, including him

 

Much more likely, still dun know if its real or not, still ok with lynching him. Screw survivors.

 

I following player have suspected others for 

 

Villager or  Mafia  during the course of day 1

 

 1. dawnflower8 :

 2. jmm :

 3. Sili Quirrels : Csarmi, Manbat, Err

 4. CoryMish : Tina, Monstr, DiceCsarmi, Pral, Tina, DiceCsarmi,DiceCsarmi, Tommy, DiceCsarmi, Tina, DiceCsarmi,  Tommy, Cory, Tommy, jmm,  Tina,  Tina, DiceCsar, Monstr,  Tommy

 5. Err :

 6. Manbat :Cory, Sili, Cory, DiceCsarmi, Tommy,  Tommy, Tommy,

 7. Sleeper :

 8. DiceCsarmi : Pral,  Cory,  Tommy,

 9. Tommyrod : Monstr, Sili, Salami, Pral, CoryMish, Pral,  Pral,

10. Pralaya : Tina,

11. TinaHel : Sili,  Sili, DiceCsarmi

12. HalliaYates :

 

 

Oooo pretty colors. Are you santa? Gimme some reasons for this naughty nice list please. (Thats supposed to be Errs post but quotes screwed up.)

 

[unvote]

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

CALLED IT

 

 

 

Page 15 - Ugh are we getting pissy at each other in a mafia game again? Oh fun.

Page 19 - Tommy vs Csamri. Both of them kinda wolfy imo, and here they are fighting. But neither of them is really bearing their fangs and going after the other its just them poking each other and growling back and forth. Could easily be distancing between the two, cause none of this is enough to get either of them just, but its just enough to get people to look at them and then move on.

Page 20 - I dont like the fluff thats always popping up, makes catch ups suck. Just like Tommy. For anyone that actually reads these, please post a picture of a santa so I can know who actually bothers. Also christmas rules.

A joy a soft claim. Those never backfire.

page 21 - Cory vs Tommy, LOVERS SPAT, CAT FIGHT. Cmon babies, talk it out, I want to believe you guys can work cause if love like yours cant whats the hope for the rest of us.

CAH sounds fun.

 

 

 

Town

Err - Like it if he could show up more, but liked what ive seen so far.

Manbat - Manbat

Towny

TinaHel - Alright

CorMish (Cory/Mish hydra) - <3 Love you both even if you dont. Only reason your not full town is cause Corys good at trickin me sometimes so im wary.

HalliYates (Hallia/Yates hydra) - Still always screw up Hallia. Reversi up on this read. Want more.

Neutral

jmm (mentored by Kivam) - Give me MOAR

Sili Quirrels

Sleeper Service - MOOOOOOOOOAR

Scummy

Sarmtosser (Dice/Csarmi hydra) - Could be distancing from Tommy, well see, not sure I believe Tommys claim either way. Dont like CS's posts, like some of Dice's, for now putting him here but hed be the last of the 3 down here id want to lynch. Still thinking if he makes it to D2 well have a better idea of what they are.

Pralaya - Eh

Scum

Tommyrod - Admitted mafia roleblocker. Oh, also hes been emo and I dun like that. Now hes claiming survivor? Lynch him anyways, my feelings on them are well known.

 

 

 

[v]Tommy[/v] cause survivors are stupid and youve been acting stupid. Other than that id be coo with Pralayalalyalalala and maybe Sleepy. Id like to let Sarmtosser rest a day cause they get more obvious as the game goes on.

K

[Tommyrod]

 

Could CFD Len for leaving his vote on me

 

Maybe if you actually did something rather than just throw your weight around, I would, but since your survivor claim youve done jack. Seriously, jack all. And yet for some ungodly reason people are still listening to you. 

 

You people who are just throwing out names, give some reasons with them. Ive seen some banter with those people on your lists, ive seen alittle bit of accusing to some of those people, but I have yet to see a fully fledged case against most of them. Its just been #AllianceSwag whatever the crap doing what you always do, which is why I stopped in the first place. People cant defend themselves or show they are bad lynchs without something to fight against.

 

So tired of this crap.

Fake

[Tommyrod]

 

Obviously I'm bussing lenlo

 

Shhhhhhhh your not supposed to say anything.

 

Screw it, going ALL IN

 

Monstrman

Dice/Csarmi

 

Tommy

Tina

 

Err

Jmm

Hoya

HalliaYates

 

Sili

 

Lenlo

Pral

 

See, we had come so far, you almost made it a full mafia day without trying to lynch me..

 

So whats with the sudden change of heart on this list, not just of me? Earlier you had a would lynch in a certain order and I was the last of it, now im second. Earlier you had Yates pegged as scum and now hes green. Earlier you were suspect of acouple people who are now green/light green.

 

Whats up with that? Cause this is just completely different than what I had been reading up till now.

 

Im down with lynching Pral, still think Tommys whole thing is crap and hes getting by cause bro's, but what the heck, its what you people do.

Summary:

 

-Lots of thread consensus agreement posts

-Mainly self defense minded posting

-Lots and lots of "Tommy hasn't changed my mind on him" type posts

 

Tunneling me knowing I won't be lynched is a boring way to wolf. Get a new schtick

[Tommyrod]

 

Lenlo I'm laying off of you because A) Hoya's vouching you for some reason and B) IDK RUSTLE STATUS QUO SOMETHING

 

You making some sort of posts that were SORT OF villagery like 40 pages ago and then basically being absent doesn't make you a villager

 

I still want you, to use a term that apparently causes GREAT RUSTLES, to be up for "deadening"

 

It was only 30 pages, geez, and even that only cause you people spam like crazy. Stop posting! Just stahp! No 20 page days!

 

Lenlo.

 

Why aren't you fun and relaxed these days? Everything alright man?

 

If I said no would I get pity day? Cause that may seriously influence my answer.

 

I'm just deciding that everyone saying Lenlo is town has TMI and you're all wolves

 

I've played a lot of games with Lenlo and he's just sort of in that Rags tier of players who just intentionally make themselves hard to read

 

Is.... is this a good tier to be in?

 

Nothing Tommy has done has made me change my mind on him. So Tommy, start doing different... things.

Lots and lots of this

 

One dimensional, not genuine or well rounded attempts to scum hunt

[Tommyrod]

 

***********************

Pity The Lenloflower Day announced

***********************

 

[carry on]

 

I knew you cared about me.

 

And Lenlo as the fallback lynch that might be right anyway

 

Lazy Tommy is lazy

Not scum Tom but just lazy Tom

 

Anyway read him for yourself. There's nothing there. Hollow shell of a man