[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Sili Quirrels]

god knows it's what i'd want to do if i randed scum. i think all these games that aren't close aren't very fun.

 

if the wolfpack sacked their wincon for one or two nights maybe this would be an actual game village could win.

[WWWwombat]

Time to get out the whiskey imo.

[WWWwombat]

Needs more Derf

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 11/12/2014 at 3:44 AM, Tommyrod said:

@Everyone; you're not allowed to be emo in this game.

 

I am a hypocrite and will enforce annoying PRs on you if you get whingy.

got it.

 

town can totally win. we'll like build alliances and stuff and make a sweep. arsis first.

[Sili Quirrels]

wombat/dpr/darthe town alliance with me, if you think I'm worthy?

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 11/12/2014 at 3:45 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

god knows it's what i'd want to do if i randed scum. i think all these games that aren't close aren't very fun.

 

if the wolfpack sacked their wincon for one or two nights maybe this would be an actual game village could win.

I am ashamed that I sunk to the lows of town deprecating woe.

 

I am now supposed to post this:

 

 

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To be pardoned for my sins.

[Pralaya]

OMG, only 40 pages to catchup?

This brings tears to my eyes. Tears of joy. 

[WWWwombat]

Good, cuz you're currently in the lead to be elected dead.

[Pralaya]

That's unfortunate. Let me see what Arsis has got me into.

[WWWwombat]

Not even trying and I'm 8th in posts and have everyone town reading me.  GET ON MY LEVEL.

[Sili Quirrels]

^scummy. dropping to yellow.

[WWWwombat]

I c wut u did thar

[Sili Quirrels]

i am rich with irony. much obliged

[WWWwombat]

Bed time.  Night thread.  GLGLGL

[Kivam]

RECAP

 

Page 24: Thane calls out Sili for over-defensiveness (+1). Sili responds by apologizing.  Scum caught and correcting, or town caught and correcting? Fits either way.  Null. Dice brings back the Yates 3 Amigos, and we're off again.  [For the record, amigos: If you're ever scum with me and you are holding back out of a sense of outgame honor, I will NK you myself and dance on your grave; failing to play the game to your fullest with all the tools at your disposal dishonors the game, pisses on the other players, and stabs the mod in the back.  Better just not to sign up for any game the "guy you won't lie to" is in. And that's all I have to say about that].  Wes shows up and starts playing.  Agree on just about all his points.  No, actually, on all of them. Except what the hell is HWSIDI? (How would scum ....?).  DESlami begins Mafiasplaining Yates' play ... odd, that.  DESlami also has no idea what Wes meant about Salami, Darthe and Wombat [Des - Salami's post was an open invitation for reactions. Darthe and Wombat pounced, from opposite directions, which is a good catch by Wes.  Given my read on Wombat ... that doesn't say good things about Darthe].  More Yates, and Wes and I kick back in our rocking chairs and talk about how the old days were better.  DESlami gets my pop quiz almost right - on Day 1, the goal is information, period. Catching scum day 1 is a bonus to be hoped for but not really expected, and should barely drive activity.

 

Page 25: Darthe & Des begin their tunnel dance - Darthe plays the "I know you're coming at me but I bet you're town" card (-1).  Wes teaches Des a thing or two about puzzling, calls him out for brow-beating Dice for not understanding Yates' "seer cover" play.  DESlami launches at Darthe with both barrels for discrediting/deflecting.  Darthe denies feeling serious or weary, while wearing a weary and serious Ruxin avatar.  Cognitive dissonance abounds.    DESlami denies Wes' criticisms, and the EMO begins.  Wes notes Darthe's martyr/saint play, smells mafia (+1). Tunnel dancing again. Darthe claims Seer, says Wes is town.  Darthe says Salami brings Des down, and he and Salami go back and forth on that.  Verbal defends his defense, accuses me of twisting his defense to look like a defense (which it was) (-5). I respond. DESlami admits he tunnels people, says when he's right it will be good for town (a tautology that is completely useless).  Notes Wes "evading" his question about that "make hay" paragraph (which Wes acknowledged earlier, and explained why he wasn't answering).  All of this reads more as clueless townie than scum by DESlami.  More Yates-gate.

 

Darthe moving back up the list.  Thane moving down. Sili and Andrej holding steady.

 

Page 26: FFS. More Yates-gate.  None of you are saying anything new, so why is this still being talked about?  One thing to reference it in a vote (I found XYZ a scummy move, so vote Yates), but you're analyzing it like you're pulling new insight from it while not voting, and you aren't.  This starts to become a convenient place for scum to hide with filler posts that don't add information, and that's true whether Yates is scum or not.  So ... Nyn, Dice, everyone else still analyzing this mess are raising my radar a bit.  Darthe votes Yates for "belaboring" the point ... Yes!  Opportunistic, though.  Rest of the page is either about tunneling or Yates.  FML.

 

Page 27: Darthe explains his "yes, if I'm scum, it's good for town" to DesLAMI.  How does anyone not get what he was saying there? Darthe is on the scummy side of my ledger, but those posts aren't why; that's just unassailable logic (tunneling at scum is good for town. tunneling at townies is bad for town. Unless you know for a fact who you are tunneling on, tunneling is a bad idea.  Nothing wrong with putting pressure on, but keep your eyes and reads open, and if you think you've nailed scum D1, remember that you're probably wrong).  Wes makes the same point, concisely, prods at Des.   More Yates analysis from Wes, but with something new thrown in - an association with DESlami.  Absurd that he's the only one of the hundred people talking about Yates' play to note this.  Sili defends Yates' play as consistent with Marlfox, then claims Seer with a town view on Nyn.  Nyn and Thane don't buy it.  Wombat has DES pegged as town by Page 23.

 

Page 28: Arsis has caught up, claims Wes is "lock town" or the best player he's ever seen (Wes is playing  a very townsided game, but like me, that's a null tell.  We'll both come across strongly pro-town whether we're town [obviously] or scum, which is why things like "tonereading" strike me as incredibly short-sighted; you're just begging to be taken for a ride, and the right player will take that invite and laugh all the way to the win).  Has DESlami slightly town, Yates and Darthe scum, says Nyn isn't playing and is posting no content (which is blatantly false).  Only read I'm with him on is Darthe; he has Wes' play pegged but is drawing conclusions way too strongly from that evidence.  More Tunnel-gate. Wombat makes my point about in-game integrity, has a town read on Yates, Dice, and ... someone else, unclear who ("all three of you").  RECAP part 1 shows up.  Songstress returns.  Sili says he thinks "PDR" (Pirate Dread Roberts?) is town because scum would "enable" DESlami.  Nyn is calm, cool and collected in response to Arsis (+1).  Wombat gets the quiz right.  Songstress agrees with DESlami's reads. Very townie post from her here. Then she calls out Sili on "my vote doesn't matter".  DES goes full EMO on DPR [Des - completely out of game, admin note here: relax. What happens in the game stays in the game, and Wes is too good a player to be dropping personal ish in here.  So deep breath, and carry on]

 

Page 29: Wombat still has a strong town read on Des, but it's dropping.  Questions Thane painting cover as counterclaims, says he viewed Hally and got villager.  Votes Arsis, interested in "developing [my] reads" - you and me both. Heh.   Sili begins his "woe is me" defense of "my vote doesn't matter".  Darthe agrees with Wombat on Thane.  More tunnelgate from Des, reads Yates as town based on Darthe pushing a Yates lynch. 

 

Page 30: DES calls Sili out for woe-is-me-ing.  Wombat questions how I could scumread Andrej and Thane but vote with them (and this is why I answered the way I did, btw - at this point, Thane is reading townsided and being in with Andrej on a lynch of a potential teammate (if that's where I end up) doesn't bother me, especially since my reads could be completely wrong).  Krak asks Nyn for thoughts in a vaguely dirty manner.  Wombat calls Thane out for contentless posts.  A valid complaint, but FWIW when he is posting content he's reading as town to me.  Thane identifies his suspect list: Sili, Arsis, Darthe.  Matches mine, confirming he's town.   

 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

don't know what woe is me is supposed to mean, but i still think i'm right and stuff.

[Kivam]

OK, going to bed.  Feel good leaving my vote on Sili at the moment; scum read, decent number of connections.  I have 10 + pages to recap tomorrow

[TheRagnarok]

Ok, sorry for the quietness so far.  Been focused elsewhere.

 

Thane is a townie lean, reminds me of D1 last game, I think he is just really awkward.  Sili is prolly town even though he keeps tossing out scumtells so I'd guess him to be an early push for scum to get a mislynch.  I liked Stelio's intro.  Early townie lean for Des, check that, he is very townie.  Kivam and Barm gives me good juju for guys I've never played with. 

 

Not sure what to make of Krak just yet, keep going back and forth on him.

 

AJ scummy lean.  Arsis bad juju, especially post 407. 

 

Now I'm tempted to get all emo just to mess with Tommy.  Because what's the point of mafia if not to mess with Tommy?

[Sili Quirrels]

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Sili is prolly town even though he keeps tossing out scumtells so I'd guess him to be an early push for scum to get a mislynch.

Thanks mate. Friends for life?

 

I'll buddy you if you buddy me.

[TheRagnarok]

  On 11/12/2014 at 6:32 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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Sili is prolly town even though he keeps tossing out scumtells so I'd guess him to be an early push for scum to get a mislynch.

Thanks mate. Friends for life?

 

I'll buddy you if you buddy me.

 

My reasoning is that I don't think you're very good yet.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 11/12/2014 at 6:37 AM, TheRagnarok said:

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 6:32 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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Sili is prolly town even though he keeps tossing out scumtells so I'd guess him to be an early push for scum to get a mislynch.

Thanks mate. Friends for life?

 

I'll buddy you if you buddy me.

 

My reasoning is that I don't think you're very good yet.

 

I know. My reasoning was I'd give you yet another scum tell for the books.

 

But you kind of spoiled that with being all stoic and stuff.

 

Anyway, it doesn't rub me the wrong way. I'll improve as I get over my paranoia.

[Nynaeve]

  On 11/12/2014 at 3:05 AM, Tommyrod said:

This made me laugh

 

 

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• First, you have to convince yourself that you're infinitely smarter than everyone else
• Second, be sure to get really insulted that anyone can think you're a wolf
• Third, please understand that everyone is terrible (I realize this sort of overlaps with #1 but it bears repeating) so don't ever listen to them
• Fourth, and this is really important: never, ever give any logical reasons for anything you are thinking.  That can only help other people to start thinking about the game, which sounds good except see points 1 and 3.
• Fifth, the dumber you act the better.  Wolves try to kill smart people.  If you're completely unhelpful to everyone and seem like you have no idea what's going on, you get to live longer.  Do things like try to CFD the seer-peeked villager, everyone hates that.  It also helps if you can create a completely unpleasant atmosphere in the entire game while you're at it.
• Sixth, be sure to always go with your gut feelings regardless of any mechanical information that might be available to you.  
• Seventh (corollary to #6): thinking and posting are wolfy.  Don't ever exhibit a desire to figure out the game, and CERTAINLY don't go around reading stuff and making cases.
• Eighth: if you happen to rand wolf, just bus all your teammates.  Villagers are lazy, they'll never expect it.  If you can't do this, then I recommend just not posting for a day or two to seem villagery then contract a severe case of Dontwanaplayanymoreitis and sub out.

If you can abide by these simple rules, you should fit right in.

 

 

 

 

omg this is too funny xD

[Nynaeve]

  On 11/12/2014 at 6:29 AM, TheRagnarok said:

Ok, sorry for the quietness so far.  Been focused elsewhere.

 

Thane is a townie lean, reminds me of D1 last game, I think he is just really awkward.  Sili is prolly town even though he keeps tossing out scumtells so I'd guess him to be an early push for scum to get a mislynch.  I liked Stelio's intro.  Early townie lean for Des, check that, he is very townie.  Kivam and Barm gives me good juju for guys I've never played with. 

 

Not sure what to make of Krak just yet, keep going back and forth on him.

 

AJ scummy lean.  Arsis bad juju, especially post 407. 

 

Now I'm tempted to get all emo just to mess with Tommy.  Because what's the point of mafia if not to mess with Tommy?

 

I like this post. 

 

I  agree with you about Thane and Silli. I'd like to see more from Stello. Null right now. Agreed about Des/Salami. Same about Arsis. Krak I'm also going back and forth on. But I keep thinking he won't push something this thick as scum so I'm leaning prolly derp right now. He needs to start offering more content, though. I am liking Kivam's notes because he's not afraid to put his thoughts out there, but it's not a guarantee so I'm mostly looking forward to see his finalized conclusions and read list. AJ and Barm I don't really agree with at this point. AJ is still in the midst of nullness and the Verb/Barm hydra is giving me bad juju.

[Nynaeve]

I can help you get emo if you want.

 

Wait for it....

 

 

 

Yes, Rag, you DO look fat in that dress.

[Thane Vakarian]

well, seems like things quieted down. At work now so peeking in regularly. (and i'm in a very good mood, bought a new car today )