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Pral: Your notorious absence D1 and most of D2 is something that doesn't sit well. You have a knack of either showing up EOD or Start of day, throwing some posts around, and that's it. Feels like 'i'm still here, i post something that should make sense'. Now, the posting you did early D3 made me doubt a bit.... but yeah, re-reading through them, it's once more random posting imo. 

 

I'll hand it to you, that, yes, i am tunneling on you. But if i do, it's because i'm convinced you're not town in this game. The SK confusion looks fake. You say you read everything and put work into the game, you could have at least checked and doublechecked page 1. 

 

Your only clear suspects are Tress, who has been looking off throughout the game, and me, because i'm nearly constantly going after you. And you read us both as scum. Who's the SK then?

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  On 11/24/2014 at 8:28 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

Pral: Your notorious absence D1 and most of D2 is something that doesn't sit well. You have a knack of either showing up EOD or Start of day, throwing some posts around, and that's it. Feels like 'i'm still here, i post something that should make sense'. Now, the posting you did early D3 made me doubt a bit.... but yeah, re-reading through them, it's once more random posting imo. 

 

I'll hand it to you, that, yes, i am tunneling on you. But if i do, it's because i'm convinced you're not town in this game. The SK confusion looks fake. You say you read everything and put work into the game, you could have at least checked and doublechecked page 1. 

 

Your only clear suspects are Tress, who has been looking off throughout the game, and me, because i'm nearly constantly going after you. And you read us both as scum. Who's the SK then?

My low activity on D1 and D2 isn't a scum tell - I do that pretty much every game because I have a hard time catching up so many posts initially (especially after I actually subbed in this game). If I continue the same levels of inactivity, that could be a tell but I have tried to post my reads and putting in effort, like what I did yesterday. I am more active at start of day because it comes right at 7 PM my time, when I am most free post work (I am never active EoD because it comes early morning, so I don't know how you are saying that). You cannot tell with a straight face that my posts are random without looking at your posts the last few days.

 

Regarding the SK confusion, yes, I was wrong and I did not check the D1 post and I based it on my experience on my other games. Why would I fake it either as SK or scum? What would I gain out of it? I was wrong, mod clarified it and I know the situation now.

 

I have talked about who the SK could be.

 

  On 11/19/2014 at 10:52 AM, Pralaya said:

Talking about SK, well, anyone I mentioned as town in the posts above can actually be the SK, including Hally. I would say that the SK play would be like a townie, except for the fact that he/she would want to be a bit scummy to prevent a NK on him/her (again depends on whether he/she has taken GF or BPV). Still, that is a very hard thing to do and don't think it would be easy to catch someone based on this. 

Currently, I would say Nyn/Dice could fit that role.

  On 11/19/2014 at 10:52 AM, Pralaya said:

Talking about SK, well, anyone I mentioned as town in the posts above can actually be the SK, including Hally. I would say that the SK play would be like a townie, except for the fact that he/she would want to be a bit scummy to prevent a NK on him/her (again depends on whether he/she has taken GF or BPV). Still, that is a very hard thing to do and don't think it would be easy to catch someone based on this. 

Currently, I would say Nyn/Dice could fit that role.

If I have a guess on SK, it would be someone on my town pile and not my scum pile. Because I don't see the SK play too scummy in this game.

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If you are actually town here, help me out here instead of aggressively going after me. You started tunneling on me, going back on me and then back to tunneling - what i meant by both tunneling and flip-flopping. I am not the scum nor SK and I certainly don't want to lose the advantage we have.

 

You are tinfoiling on me, based on my activity on D1 and D2 when that is how I have always played. Maybe I am tinfoiling too but your reaction to my post looked bad. So, if you are town, you need to think objectively here.

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the 'clear' people in the game for me are Hallia, Descsarm, dice, myself. Darthe feels alright, wth a little hint at the back of my head whispering SK. That leaves Cass, Tress, you. Now, if you're not it, that leaves Cass and Tress. 

 

Game solved?

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  On 11/24/2014 at 10:13 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

the 'clear' people in the game for me are Hallia, Descsarm, dice, myself. Darthe feels alright, wth a little hint at the back of my head whispering SK. That leaves Cass, Tress, you. Now, if you're not it, that leaves Cass and Tress. 

 

Game solved?

That is pretty much where I am too. I had you, cass and Tress as probable as mentioned here .

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Vote Count D4.02:

 

Pral (2): Darthe [#3440], Dice [#3560]

Darthe (1): Hallia [#3515]

Cass (1): Thane [#3583]

 

Unvote (2): Deslami [#3488], Pral [#3580]

 

Not Voting (2): Cass, Tress

 

At the gallows: Pral

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

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  On 11/24/2014 at 7:31 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

Go ahead, vote all you like. I strongly believe i was right on you from the start

 

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 8:28 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

I'll hand it to you, that, yes, i am tunneling on you. But if i do, it's because i'm convinced you're not town in this game. The SK confusion looks fake. You say you read everything and put work into the game, you could have at least checked and doublechecked page 1. 

 

Your only clear suspects are Tress, who has been looking off throughout the game, and me, because i'm nearly constantly going after you. 

 

Thane, I don't understand how you went from the above and voting Pral, to back to voting me after our last discussion. Don't apologise, maybe all I have to do now is tell you you are definitely tinfoiling me and ask you to think objectively?  :tongue:  More seriously though, you've chopped and changed more than I have this game, and I don't know if that's just you or weird and scummy or both. I gave you the best explanations/reasons I have for my errors last time you voted me. 

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Just off the cuff my lynch choices today would actually be Cass or Thane, or an outside chance at Darthe

 

Def don't think Pray is scum. Yes towntelling hardcore.

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Thane continuously pushing Pray as scum all game makes no sense to me, he has shown zero intention of readjusting that read even tho MANY things have come out that SHOULD have prompted him to recalibrate. He's also been pretty opportunistic lately imo.

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@ Everybody - I would rather see scum die this round but I'm stuck in a hard position here: nobody knows me or how I play (including myself) and nobody other than me and the remaining Wolf knows that I'm not scum and that I have not been working with anybody else. 


 


If my self-analysis and honest explanations/reasonings haven't got that through to anybody other than Darthe at this point (hmmm), then I can only see them becoming harder to believe from here on in. Which means that even though I'm not scum, I am a liability. I would hate to see this tinfoiling lose the game for Town when it comes down to the wire in the next few rounds. I've tried to be as Town as possible and clear myself as hard as I can, atm that has only fueled suspicion. Worse, I don't know how the rest of you are feeling, but I can't figure out enough to come up with a vote I'm even 90% confident in this day.


 


Call me a pessimist but the way I calculate it, we have one shot for and up to two shots against us this round. If the worst case happens, and Town, Wolf and SK all kill a Villager, that will bring Town:Non-Town to 3:2 - with a maximum of two shots for and a definite two shots against us on night 5. At that point we really can't afford to be doubting/mislynching a fellow Villager as much as most of you still seem to be doubting me - at that point we will have to kill the last Wolf or the SK to live and we may only have one shot. Which means that If we mislynch at all then, and the SK/Wolf each target a different Villager, we're done.


 


Now that I've thought about it from that angle, I can't see the Wolf NK'ing me any time soon. I'm too good a decoy to have around - and using me as such has worked fantastically so far. I have no idea what the SK would do in this situation, but it's probably the same thing, right? 


 


I guess what I'm saying is Town is doubting me that badly, and likely to continue doing so, then I think we're gonna have to kill me ourselves... today  :sad: 


 


Does that make sense? (This is not me being emo).


 


 


Either way, I'm currently looking into Darthe, 'cos that's one ISO that hasn't really been done, and for better or for worse, especially since I've looked at things this way, he's pinging a little at me now (why support me when everybody else is pushing me/'legitimately' confused?).Pending that investigation, my reads are still the same.


 


 


@Des - in my re-read I notice you were tunneling Darthe quite a bit early on - what's your read on him now, and if Town why have you changed?

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@Cass: I've gone back and forth on Darthe a few times this game. I wouldn't fight his lynch all that hard today by any means, but he's had some townie looking posts of late. I dunno, I may be letting g people off the hook too much for soc rambling type posts, so eh.

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Good morning all! (Or afternoon, or evening, depending on your locale.)  I was having the strangest dream when my alarm went off, it was kind of a cross between a game show, a mafia game, and the TV show Angel.  I remember distinctly telling Wombat that he should shoot Dice because Lorne read his aura and told me he was scum.  *shakes head*

 

I can second guess myself all the way up to deadline, but that rarely works out for me any better than the alternative.

 

[v]##Cass[/v]

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Notes on Darthe and various interactions Day 1

 

 

Darthe voted Yates after jokevote Csarmi  (doesn't stick with this - votes Dice at EoD)

 
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  On 11/11/2014 at 2:56 PM, Darthe said:

I'm usually a Yatesbro til D2 at least but this is just off.  I don't see him catering to a point that someone else is belaboring if it doesn't actively affect his reads list this early.  

 

[unvote] [v] ##Yates [/v]

 

 

 

 

 

Later claims Yates is FROZEN

 

 

Goes back and forth with Des for a while

 

 

There is a weird interaction between Krak, Darthe and Dice - Dice seems clear, not sure why Krak jumped on his post all of a sudden, not sure why Darthe quoted that post in his request for Krak's top reads.

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Krakalakachkn, on 12 Nov 2014 - 04:38 AM, said:
quoted from Dice
#unvote  the stoopid maroon.
 
I liked this post. Feels like very natural Cass to me.



Why did you feel the need to explain your unvote?
 
 
dicetosser1, on 12 Nov 2014 - 04:40 AM, said:
krak the first lines a joke aimed at her. came from her joke.
 
the seconmd wasnt meant as an explanation. i dont need to explain unvoting a joke vote. 
 
the second line was a read based on her post
 
Krakalakachkn, on 12 Nov 2014 - 04:41 AM, said:

Yep

 

Darthe, on 12 Nov 2014 - 04:46 AM, said:Top/Bottom three?

 

 

 

Darthe gives his reads, Yates is at the bottom, along with Verbarm.

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Leelou mentions not liking Darthe. Krak jumps in immediately after with a Hi Leelou.

 

Leelou explains why she's not liking Darthe

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Yates votes Arsis based on thoughts by Nyn, and chucks Darthe in as an afterthought 'possible' at the end - no reasons given, seemed like distancing.

 

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Krak posts ‘thoughts and notes for himself’ – Balances between pushing Sili and Leelou, defending Yates' Seer Cover as Town then distancing from Yates by siding with Arsis. Makes (weak) excuses to cover Darthe pushing Leelou and Thane reading as scum.

 

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Kiv posts a recap, ?sliding Darthe away from a suspicious slot.Points AJ, Arsis, Sili and Thane as scum.

 

Wom reminds Darthe that Pral is replacing Arsis, Darthe says 'that explains so much... and probably screws me over' (what?)

 

Darthe comments on his perception of me being 'overcoached'. Reminiscent of Kiv's comments.

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Darthe and Yates discuss Kiv and Darthe's top picks. Darthe distances from Yates and makes it seem like he's not a good lynch, all at the same time. Then he passes on commenting on Kivam.

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Darthe makes some interesting and possibly relevant points about how he plays less fun as Scum than Town... 

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Dunno why, didn't like this

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Darthe swaps his vote to Dice (final EoD vote), no reason noted.

 

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Have done up to EoD 1 on Darthe. Gut says he's quite a wee bit scummy. Won't post a giant Cass WoT, but find it weird how he was one of the first to get serious, how he pushed Leelou just a bit, had some weird conversations with Kiv and Yates and Des and dropped his Yates vote at last minute to vote against Dice. The weight of other confirmed Town people's meta on him (esp. Leelou) counts for me here too. Also on review, I'm really not sure that I can like the way he sided/buddied with me, starting when I came straight out and posted @Kiv that I thought Kivam was scum. At the time it was nice to have a 'friend', but... why is he the only one 'buying' my explanations -especially now- if nobody else is willing to do the same? Yes Darthe, I realise I'm painting you into a no-win situation there, but really, all me still being here is doing is confusing the game/wasting time.

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I'm going with this.

 

[v]##Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

FWIW, in my re-read I'm a little more clear on Dice - Krak for one (and Darthe too if you count his end vote) made definite moves against him that could've been scum pushing. I'm still not comfortable with Deslarmi. Hopefully I'm wrong and maybe it's just lack of meta, but there's a whole lot of random going on there. This post and others just felt weird too. Thane is still either scummy or just walked into traps/communicates strangely. Tress, Pral and Hallia I really don't think I have enough to go on, not sold on the idea that Hally's not SK just because odds are low.

 

 

In a nutshell, Sus down to Town

 

Darthe

Tress

Deslarmi

Thane

Pral

Dice

Halli

 

 

And, one final time, just so I'm sure you've all heard: I'm not the SK and I have not been scumming it up with Wolves :smile: .

 

 

 

Will be on mobile sneeking peeks at the office tomorrow. GL!

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Vote Count D4.03:

 

Cass (3): Thane [#3583], Deslami [#3585], Tress [#3592]

Pral (2): Darthe [#3440], Dice [#3560]

Darthe (2): Hallia [#3515], Cass [#3594]

 

Unvote (1): Pral [#3580]

 

Not Voting (0)

 

At the gallows: Cass

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

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Krak spew:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 4:21 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 3:20 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 3:18 PM, Cass said:

*Has caught up with the reading to here and come to the following conclusion...*

I think I agree with Darth's central statement in post #111 .

 

... This thread is now shenanigans :biggrin:

 

(I'm gonna hit the hay, see y'all later in the morning).

what did the hay ever do to anybody?! :sad:

 

 

Thane is clear imo. 

 

 

As clean as fresh fallen snow.

 

 

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 5:47 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

Thane lynch D1 is a lazy lynch.

 

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 5:48 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

@Verb

 

What's your angle with Thane?

 

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 8:15 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 6:09 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 5:48 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

@Verb

 

What's your angle with Thane?

 

I don't have one.

 

So you were just talking to….talk?

 

 

Bunch of Krak hard defending Thane early on

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 6:38 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

quoted from Dice


 
#unvote  the stoopid maroon.
 
I liked this post. Feels like very natural Cass to me.



Why did you feel the need to explain your unvote?

 

This interaction didn't FEEL like w/w interaction to me at first, but later Krak "clears" Dice on Dice's response to this. Meh...

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 7:46 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 7:42 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 7:33 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 7:28 PM, Leelou said:

Also, I don't really get all this seer cover crap. Any one of the 3 claims could also be scum buddying up to a townie while giving "cover" for the seer.

I agree
Leelou? Who hates gambits? I believe.You? Not so much.


Lol

 

 

...

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 12:37 AM, Krakalakachkn said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 1:32 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 1:27 PM, Leelou said:

 

Not really, that shouldn't be judged as a townie or non townie post.

 

That looks like a guilty conscience.  I've argued this with you before but meta is meta and pulling something out of a mostly arbitrary post isn't exclusively random.  

 

Kind of a normal post from Darthe.  See if he goes anywhere with it?

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 2:27 PM, Leelou said:

Time to lynch Darthe? 

 

Interesting post from Leelou considering it's both a question and a nudge.

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 2:30 PM, Yates. said:

Claim: Seer

dicetosser1 is Town.

 

Likely to come from town Yates imo.

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 2:36 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 2:27 PM, Leelou said:

Time to lynch Darthe? 

 

Nope.avi

 

So Wombat sees something that has him townreading or nullreading Darthe.

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 3:20 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 3:18 PM, Cass said:

*Has caught up with the reading to here and come to the following conclusion...*

I think I agree with Darth's central statement in post #111 .

 

... This thread is now shenanigans  :biggrin:

 

(I'm gonna hit the hay, see y'all later in the morning).

what did the hay ever do to anybody?!  :sad:

 

Townie post from Thane.

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 4:33 PM, Despothera said:

Okay so three that I'm wary of so far are- Darthe, Yates, and Thane. Darthe seems to be trying to fake a casual tone with his start to the game, and mixing up posturing type posts and statements in between looks scummy for him imo. Yates seems too self conscious with announcing all that schtuff about not using the three amigos crap (also I think his point is silly, but meh rehashing that already doesn't seem like it will be productive). Thane seemed to be kinda opportunistic with agreeing with Wombat but also hedged, not a big fan of that, and moreover I didn't like the tone in his response to Barm. Seemed a bit over the top. When people suspect him early as town he isn't as reactionary, he'll defend himself bit doesn't necessarily try to flip it around on his accuser like he tried with Barm.

Speaking of Barm, I liked what he pointed out on Thane, and also liked him pointing out how silly what Arsis was saying about Verb was. Also tentative townlean on AJ- his off the cuffs reads didn't look forced and he had a rather quick turnaround that imo indicates a townie catching up, instead of scum being more calculating in their reads. Also kinda like both Leelou and Verb so far. Leelou saying that statement was null seemed okay, and Verb I dunno, gut just feels town there

 

Do you think the bold could be because he's getting more comfortable with play and is developing or because he's scum?

 

Agree on AJ.

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 4:55 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 4:54 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

It was a reaction test, yes. But the lack of reaction at first, and now you telling me it's wolfy... dunno. It's something i will keep in mind

 

Are you reaction testing to just do it.....or are you developing reads as a result?  I'm really not sure if you're implementing it as part of a strategy, or just doing it for the sake of doing it.

 

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 6:09 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 5:48 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

@Verb

 

What's your angle with Thane?

 

I don't have one.

 

I want to go back to this because Verb's answer caused me to pull up short.  He has no angle with his questioning of Thane?  I figure he'd at least be trying to get Thane to towntell or scumtell.

 

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 8:06 PM, WWWwombat said:

Want to see more from Verb and Yates right now.  Yates is a confirmed pathological LLL with no trouble compartmentalizing, so his pretensions to honor don't seem genuine to me.

 

Verbal is sketchy for going after Leelou for not slapping down Arsis hard enough.  Why would that kind of thing matter to town Verbal anyway?  Leelou pretty much said Arsis was wrong in this case, so unless Verb was planning on making like 80% of his posts spidey memes, he shouldn't have a problem with what Leelou said.

 

Darthe's last wall was pretty good btw.  Only thing I disagree on is Des/Salami.  Both are null to me atm.

 

Agree with some of this.  

 

Yates is null for me

Agree on Verb and add his interaction with Thane

Salami/Des are clear so far imo

 

Some good stuff here. I unspoilered it and removed irrelevant parts (like talking about people that have already flipped)

 

More hard defense of Thane, and note that he reiterates the "town read" of Thane from that same dumb silly post ("what did the hay ever do to anyone") that is moronic to clear someone over.

 

His stuff on Darthe is interesting, he seems to fencesit on Darthe a bit, but also supports Darthe's scumread of Leelou. He also tries to say Wombat is townreading or nullreading Darthe... THAT is VERY interesting.

 

Says Yates' seer cover post is towny, but later in the same post says he has Yates as null. Lol I'm guessing Vig shot him for that exact type of reasoning.

 

Anyways in general this post makes me suspect Darthe and Thane more.

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 6:30 PM, Krakalakachkn said:

So I started reading and taking separate notes, but I realized I've taken extensive notes in the past and they don't seem to help my game too much, so I said eff it and started skimming to catch up because I think that's a more valuable use of my time.  No one likes eternal catch up posts and I can't say I'm usually a very effective scum hunter when I'm in catchup mode.

 

 

So here are my reads based off what I observed:

 

Wombat

Deslami

 

Nyn

Thane

Kivam

Dice

 

AJ

 

DPR

Rags

Cass

Hallia

Stelio

VerBarm

 

Yates

 

Tress

Darthe

Arsis

 

Leelou

Sili

 

 

 

I like this post from Wombat.  Firm stance flying in the face of DPR's recent posts possibly linking Yates and Deslami.  This shows willingness to be flexible and organic.  I don't get his defense of Darthe here.  It makes me wonder if his lowering read on Deslami had anything to do with his read on Darthe.

 

Despo's post here is an interesting one.  I agree that Darthe is likely scum based on what I've seen so far, but 1. I disagree with tenets one and two as far as reading Darthe is concerned.  I too had Salami as early town and you as null, so I absolutely think that you can waffle on a hydra slot without it being suspicious.  Just because you think he might use it with a scum agenda in the future is irrelevant until he actually does it.  I like that Des sees what I saw here about Darthe's post.  I'm starting to get tingles.  I haven't had a mind meld with Des in a while.  And I usually have a good rapport with Salami so this could be incredibly fun.

 

I like this post from Kivam a lot.  It's not directly related to gameplay per se, but it sure as hell reads as coming from a genuine town mindset.  I'll admit I haven't read any of his recap posts, but that's because they have a lot of content and I would rather ISO them all at once.  Depending on what I read, his placement in my list might change drastically.  Or not.

 

So there's Nyn.  She was town telling pretty hard in the early stages of the game when I made this post.  I was at work and behind, on my phone and liable to be called away at any moment to help a customer.  I figured she would be fine with helping me out and as she was my towniest town besides Thane, I cared more about what she had to say than anyone else.  She responds to a couple of my posts with jokes, makes a post like this.  This was a bad look from me, based on a smattering of posts Early D1 and my interaction with Nyn just before it.  I think Nyn's post here was a town tell in the middle of me attempting to make a case on her, and her case on Arsis is logical.  This post obviously got me really riled up, which is hard to do, but I overreacted, read it as a howl, and voted her.  On second read, Nyn AtE after that reads to me as town Nyn, especially this bit.

 

2. Town read on Dice here, really liked his response to my question.  Natural, unhurried, explained without over explaining, etc.

 

Scummy post from Yates here imo.  At this point he should have just let it go, but by continuing the argument it allows him to look like bulldog town trying to clear themselves.

 

The first post I remember seeing from DPR was pretty null for me.  Could be w/w with Yates here.  SUPGate and Darthe bit are null too.

 

3. Pretty null post from Tress, but this post reads as a bit overkill.  Like Sili was setting that one up for someone to come in and respond to.  Dare I say it?

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4. Disagree with Salami about Cass' intro, it's completely null for me.  I have no background on her and while it's very friendly, I'm not going to say that she's incontrovertibly town.

 

Dislike Verb's question to me here.  Looks like he's trying to take advantage of my derpread on Nyn without being too obvious.  Don't have a firm grasp on this hydra yet.

 

I like this post from AJ.  Another here.  I haven't seen much else of note from him though.  Enough to make him slightly >rand town compared to the rest of my nulls.

 

5. Arsis with a very weird and backhanded defense of Darthe here.  Strikes me as really, really off.

 

Leelou appears out of the woodworks here to nudge at Darthe.  I still don't like how she answered my question toward the beginning of the game about her being third party.  She then pokes at me without saying anything terribly concrete, defending Nyn without being overly obvious.  Again she doesn't back it up with anything.  She's intent to snipe until I force the issue.  Her responses here and here are bad imo.  I'm not being hypocritical but she hits me with that brick anyway, words that sound good but don't mean a lot.  This was already obvious, and her hitting us over the head with it makes me think she's trying overly hard to be seen as part of the consensus

 

Sili has spent a hell of a time fumbling over himself.  His lack of care where he puts his vote wouldn't really bother me except that he's being blatantly casual with it, overselling it.  His post here puts it in perspective.  How does he expect his vote to put pressure on people if he's flinging it around and admitting that it doesn't matter where he puts it?  Answer: it doesn't and he contradicted himself on the issue.  This might be a bit of wifom, but Sili's post makes me think that he knows Despo is barking up the wrong tree with his reads.  Don't like Sili's interactions here or here.  He's playing a weird combination of "better than" and "less knowledgeable than" the rest of the players.  Like he's split on how to approach the game because he's trying to compensate for being a wolf.  He's right about Des misrepping him in the earlier quote, and tbh I misread that part from him too, but his explanation attempts to put the blame on the town for Sili's play rather than being accountable for his own play.  Kind of a hypocritical post from Sili here, Sili voted much quicker than AJ and for a joke reason, and the first bit makes it seem like Sili thinks there was a reason for AJ to vote him.  Here Sili contradicts himself on his Kivam read.  Vote on Arsis looks like a wolf floating with the current.

 

Scummy post from Darthe here.  I don't like that he tries to sell the "if I was scum" line.  Like he would admit it held water if he were scum.  6. But then I immediately agree with this post.  This could be w/w.  I think it's a little thin, but I wanted to include it anyway.  6. Better post from Darthe here as I think he's trying to get into the game past the Deslami interaction but he's still asking game-related questions.  Better looking post from Darthe.  I had him as bottom two for a bit, but his past few posts I've quoted are making him rise.

 

Questions:

 

@DPR - In your post here I don't see you coming down on a side of the authority issue wrt Despo.  Do you have an opinion on Despo taking the authoritative high ground and what is your follow-up opinion on Verb's use of the same play while interacting with Thane in the first few pages?

 

Big whole pile of spew here... most noteworthy to me is that Krak has Darthe as scum, but actually defends him somewhat. In fact I'm just going to enlargen significant parts and address them one by one.

 

1. Defends Darthe from my points even tho he's "scumreading" him

2. What I was talking about with Krak "clearing" Dice based off of his response. Could have been a w/w interaction. Kinda meh on that still tho.

3. Pretty poorly justified scumread of Tress here. Doesn't really make it seem like he'd be pursuing that scumread either anytime soon. At the very least, doesn't make me feel better about Tress. Could just be that Krak wanted to be able to come back to that read later but never got a chance to follow up.

4. Disagrees with Salami clearing Cass for her intro. Wanted to tinfoil and say this might be distancing, but eh I kind of doubt Cass is Krak's teammate from that.

5. This one is VERY significant imo. He was already "scumreading" Arsis, but here he links Arsis and Darthe. Note that Krak linked DPR and Yates a little bit earlier in this post, so we know he was trying to link at least ONE townie with another of his teammates. Considering Krak's weird handling of Darthe as a scumread here, this makes me think he was trying to set Arsis up should Darthe get lynched or killed.

6. These bits are quite juicy as well. Scumreads Darthe but also defends him and says Darthe is rising up his POE (so looking more town). Intredasting.

 

Also note his reads above, if you're into that sort of thing.

 

Didn't include his vote on Pray @EOD2 cause everyone already remembers it, but Krak ALSO quoted the final VC before the flip, was his last post in fact. This indicates he WAS aware of the situation and wasn't fighting the lynch, and imo just looks like a throwaway vote so people don't connect him with Kivam post-flip if Kivam was lynched anyways. Makes me think him voting Pray in particular isn't that significant. Especially considering Pray hadn't been mentioned by Krak most the game.

 

ALSO makes me think scum was fine with bussing Kivam that day, so Darthe helping to lynch him (or Cass for that matter) doesn't really make Darthe look better anymore.

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Don't have time for Kivam spew and plus I still think there would be PLENTY of false trails there anyways so meh.

 

Krak spew makes me think lynch today should be between Darthe and Thane actually. Cass COULD be scum here, but would be SK, not his teammate imo.

 

Gonna ##[unvote]

 

[v]##Darthe[/v] cause the Pray train is awful and despite some of Darthe's townier posts lately, I still think he could be scum here and parking his vote on Pray all day while bitching about activity striked me as incredibly disingenuous. If Darthe was legit frustrated about activity he'd be trying different approaches and diff trains and talking points to see if that encouraged activity.

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@ Des


 


Picked up most of those points in my review. 


 


One question - how sure are you on Darthe over Thane? 


 


Because if I get cleared here, and we're wrong and Darthe flips Town, then everybody is going to be right back where we started on me - and we'll be even further behind. 


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