[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Nynaeve]

Sure

[csarmi]

 

 

Nyn is someone that doesn't make much sense to lynch today, has posted mostly well and cased a lot and that I keep getting drawn back to wanting to vote her. [unvote][v] ##Nyn [/v] I'm going to try and make a case for this but not atm.

The only thing I disagree with in the post is the vote obviously lol

 

 

Ahhhhhhh! Nyn is obvious SK!!!!!

 

 

Nah the SK is Darthe. Nyn is the Wolf RB.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay so I was already catching up on mobile earlier when I could so I AM caught up, wanted to go back in a lil more detail tho. Quick thoughts before I do however-

 

Thinking thunderdome between Thane and Tress is a good idea today. In fact seeing a lot of people kind of letting Thane off the hook a bit... and I don't know why. Thane also had some legit bad posts there for a bit.

 

Not as bad as Tress' tho. She seems like LOCK last mafia imo. I'll get into more detail there, but yeah [v]##Tress[/v]

 

Other than that, other people I COULD see some pressure on without getting too upset is Dice and Cass. Dice just went off the deep end recently, just holy bejeesus I don't even know what. And Cass... I hate saying this because I DID have such a rock hard town read on her, but I COULD see her being the SK here. She's been MUCH more self conscious lately, and the way she initially trotted out that VT claim, and then keeps reiterating it... looks pretty sketchy. Could be newbscum, could be newbtown tho as well. And eh, I guess AJ's arguments about her voting pattern yesterday MIGHT be valid as well, especially added with how weird she kept acting about her Wombat and DPR reads (and how she defended them again after Night ended). Still think she isn't mafia, but eh I could be wrong there.

[Cass]

 trying to portray me as "following along" is a blatant misrepresentation.

 

I meant that in the sense that you and I were following the same thought process/on the same page...

[Nynaeve]

Also Cass. I don't see why you keep saying that you sense I was being friendly to you and that's off. First of all, I don't really know you but since you're new, if you had a question I could answer, I did. It's called being considerate. We were all new at some point. Beyond that I've responded to your content as I saw fit. And your general angle of friendliness=scummy is askew. It's something you can take into consideration.... but you keep bringing this up as a focal reason instead of focusing on game play.

[Nynaeve]

 

 

trying to portray me as "following along" is a blatant misrepresentation.

 

I meant that in the sense that you and I were following the same thought process/on the same page...

If that's what you meant then I honestly don't understand the entirety of your post. I brought up a concern about the Verbram slot. One I followed later with an ISO and a vote. I miss to see the part where you claim I was buddying you. If you're refering to us agreeing on the slot... that happens all the time. Plus considering I've expressed my concern since early in the game....I don't see how you could construde my thoughts on them as a way to appeal to you.

 

I basically don't understand what you're talking about.

[hazelkrs1]

I think Cass sticking with things like that for so long could be genuine newbtown paranoia imo

 

I'll admit I HAVE started skimming her posts of late however. SORRY! SHE RAMBLES!

 

[Nynaeve]

Nah the SK is Darthe. Nyn is the Wolf RB.

 

Et tu, Brute?

 

 

Also happy birthday! :-)

[Nynaeve]

(quote fail oleh!)

[hazelkrs1]

Btw everyone, Nyn is LOCK CLEAR for her siggy alone. That ish is mesmerizing, no way a scummer would be able to wear something so stunning

 

 

And in a less sucking up sort of way, I REALLY like her Kivam spew analysis (not a ton there, but a little and it DOES seem very significant, especially irt Tress), and as I just explained on QT to Csarmi, Nyn is VERY likely to be town here (not just a not-teammate of Kivam's) because soon after the flips she shows an instant commitment to readjusting reads and displays instant thread recall about the thing on Kiv/Tress, and then follows up on that and quotes the relevant exchanges.

 

Besides all the other towntells from Nyn this game, that right there makes her absurdly town. We're not lynching Nyn today, consider her off the table

[Cass]

Other than that, other people I COULD see some pressure on without getting too upset is Dice and Cass.  

Dice just went off the deep end recently, just holy bejeesus I don't even know what.

And Cass... I hate saying this because I DID have such a rock hard town read on her, but I COULD see her being the SK here.

She's been MUCH more self conscious lately, and the way she initially trotted out that VT claim, and then keeps reiterating it... looks pretty sketchy. Could be newbscum, could be newbtown tho as well. And eh, I guess AJ's arguments about her voting pattern yesterday MIGHT be valid as well, especially added with how weird she kept acting about her Wombat and DPR reads (and how she defended them again after Night ended). Still think she isn't mafia, but eh I could be wrong there.

 

 

 

I think Cass sticking with things like that for so long could be genuine newbtown paranoia imo

 

I'll admit I HAVE started skimming her posts of late however. SORRY! SHE RAMBLES!

 

 

 

So let me get this straight, first you read me rock-solid Town because you read my posts, and now you read me SK because you're skipping all my 'ramble'? (Ramble that I write so people read me clear?)

 

That there's a communication problem. On both sides. Ok, I'll try to be more succint and less insecure. Please read it as if I'm a noob trying very hard to not be misunderstood.

 

I'm telling the truth.

[hazelkrs1]

If you're town Cass, you shouldn't have claimed VT like you did initially, and you shouldn't keep trying to stress that VT claim. Looks kinda wolfy.

 

Just a tip for future games

[Cass]

Why not?

 

Isn't that like, the most solid thing you can say?

[hazelkrs1]

Still catching up but actually maybe take Thane off the table as well. Will get into more detail but yeah thinking town there.

 

Tress tho... sheesh every post of hers today is scummy. That's not even an exaggeration either.

[Cass]

Why not?

 

Isn't that the most solid thing you can say? I was trying to highlight that RL's about to get hectic, the way I play is probably gonna change but that doesn't mean I'm Wolf.

 

And yes, it was a ramble. I wrote it when I was superstressed and tired.

[Cass]

@Des - Why not? I was trying to be as clear as possible.

 

But yes, it was a ramble.

 

*throws hands up in the air* How am I supposed to explain anything fully enough that people 'get' exactly what I'm saying, without detailed explanation?

 

Drop details, and details get missed!

 

Miss details and people get mislynched!

 

This game be crazy!

[Cass]

@Des - Why not? I was trying to be as clear as possible.

 

But yes, it was a ramble.

 

*throws hands up in the air* How am I supposed to explain anything fully enough that people 'get' exactly what I'm saying, without detailed explanation?

 

Drop details, and details get missed!

 

Miss details and people get mislynched!

 

This game be crazy!

[csarmi]

[yea I didn't forget the Tress ISO... just had no time yet]

[Cass]

Omg DM fail quad post. (Soz).

[hazelkrs1]

@Cass: the ramble thing had nothing to do with your VT claim. The rambling just makes my eyes glaze over a bit when trying to read your posts, so I skim instead.

 

And no, claiming VT like that reeks of self-consciousness, and scum are more likely to be acutely aware and concerned with how they are being perceived by others on thread. Townies (should at least) care a LOT more about finding scum, notsomuch what others think of them and if their behavior is slightly off for a certain period of time or something.

 

And the argument for you being scum with how you acted about your claim is that you were trying to stress it to force others to believe it as much as possible.

[Cass]

Ok that makes sense.

 

Noted.

 

I did explain I (really) hate being misunderstood.

[hazelkrs1]

 

AJ, Deslarmi, Darthe - Why has everyone gone Kivam over Wom? Make it good.

sounds quite protective over Kiv.... That, cimbined with what stood out in my previous post, makes me wonder if Cass actually slipped here... or not...

 

my gut read on AJ is town too.

 

but i dont want kiv dead either.

 

 

cass!  get in here and vote verb !

Dice, why ask Cass to vote Verb? Unwilling to lynch Kiv because...?

 

So Thane's first "spew analysis" of Kivam was meh for me, since Kivam's posts during most of D2 can be regarded as containing SOME level of wifom and false trails and whatnot, but him quoting Cass up there, and Dice after that... makes me feel a bit better.

 

Plus, even tho Hallia pointed out some good stuff regarding Thane from Kivam and Krak and Yates spew, I actually think Thane was one of the people Yates was trying to pocket, and Krak followed his lead there.

 

So now thinking Thane could be town after all, or at the very least not-mafia

 

 

A clear Warlock! LOL that's the same pic I like using for LOCK CLEAR sometimes

 

Thane lynch D1 is a lazy lynch.

 

 

 

I just don't understand why it was brought up. The fact that he got mislynched a lot isn't meta. No one is referring to anything he usually does as town/scum. It's just being said that people often misread him.... so what?

It's the same thing I brought up about Hally recently. Certain players are kept around as lynch bait. Hally is [was?] one and Thane is another.

 

I don't think he's going to completely change the way he plays. So instead you have to look at his meta and understand what is a Town tell and a scum tell FOR HIM. It's the same thing you do for anyone else you are more familiar with and the reason you defer to Leelou on a Verb read, for example.

 

I think Thane pointing out how often he is mislynched is his way of saying "you guys don't get me." And that's fair.

 

 

I feel like all of the above is Krak and Yates trying to prevent the D1 lynch on Thane.  Gonna continue my reread at work, but for now.

 

Vote: ##Thane

 

 

Really just quoted this to say I think the above was Yates and Krak trying to pocket Thane

 

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So Tress' scummy posts this phase-

 

Just for grins, let's do this first... 

 

 

Fairly comfortable town reads:

 

DesLami 

Kivam - Wolf N1 Vig - Lynched D2

WWWwombat - Seer - Killed N2

Nyn

 

 

Townish vibe:

 

Yates. - Wolf Godfather - Killed N1

Rags

Thane

 

Null/mixed/no clue:

 

Dice

AJ

Leelou - Vanillager - Killed N1

Verbal32 / Barmacral Hydra - Vanillager - Killed N2

Cass 

Stelio Kontos - Jailkeeper - Killed N1

Hallia

 

Mildly uncomfortable:

 

Arsis/Pral

Krakalakachkn - Wolf N2 Vig - Killed N2

Darthe

 

No specifics for these guys, just a gut level discomfort that I can probably go back and make less nebulous this weekend.

 

Top scum leans:

 

Sili Quirrels - Vanillager - Lynched D1

DreadPirateRoberts - Vanillager - Killed N2

 

Good God, I'm on a roll.  At least one of my top town picks was town.

 

Revised version to come later.

 

Tries to be all tongue in cheek about her bad "reads", this actually comes off as self-conscious, having bad tone, and trying to reinforce that she is just "bad" this game and not scum

 

 

Also.

 

N1 vigilante, N2 vigilante are now Named Townie roles. We are at 9-1-1 now.

 

Interesting.

 

This tells me who you're not...

 

 

Rolefishing (and as Darthe pointed out, a smart townie would NEVER mention something like this in thread)

 

Kinda find it interesting that you'd assume Kivam of all people would toss out a random town read on a teammate for no apparent reason. 

 

I'd say AJ or Cass would be a better place to look, but I don't know that he'd be that obvious either.  Pretty sure everything Kivam said should be disregarded entirely, because hello WIFOM.  We're more likely to get clues to the last mafia from Yates and Krak.

 

Hallia's analysis looks pretty legit, I can see where she's coming from - but if Thane is right, and he's being set up, my gut tells me Nyn is a good place to look for the final mafia.

 

DesLami is my top pick for SK right now.

 

Have to run to the bank on the way to work so I'm out of time for this morning.  I'll see how I feel tonight and elaborate more.  I'll try to catch any questions for me later, if there are any aside from people implying I'm scum for being inactive and/or being wrong.

 

First bold is unnngggggghhhhh wifom and contradicts second bold

 

Italics is , no justification and no progression on the read in thread (she had us as top town reads before)

 

Underlined absolutely REEKS of scummy tone, defensiveness, self-consciousness, and again trying to reinforce that she's "bad" and not scum this game even tho pretty much NO ONE that I saw was trying to say Tress looked like scum because of bad reads on her part

 

 

Probably not moving my vote.

 

I love how you defend yourself with wifom irt Kivam's read on you and then next say that said wifom should be ignored because it's unreliable. I'll do just that.

 

When did Salamipot go from your top town read to your most likely SK candidate?

Didn't ask you to move your vote, sweetcheeks.

 

The beautiful thing is that I win with town regardless of whether I'm alive or not. Not saying I deserve it, but we can afford to mislynch today if that's what y'all want.

 

I have until Thursday night regardless, so I'm going to do my best to think coherently and post things that occur to me. My time is extremely limited at work and I think I've been as clear as I need to be about the rest of my situation, so I don't know how much I'll be able to contribute or how useful it will be, but I intend to try regardless of how many people want me to die today.

 

Lunch break is over, I'll try to look for questions later and respond. Help me not to forget this one.

 

 

Bold is literally the scummiest tone I have EVER seen from Tress, ever.

 

Rest of the post Tress trips over herself saying how willing she is to try and respond to people, and be clear and yadda yadda yadda (oh and moar yucky defensiveness in underlined)

 

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Some stuff on Dice:

 

 

 

my gut read on AJ is town too.

 

but i dont want kiv dead either.

 

 

cass!  get in here and vote verb !

Dice, why ask Cass to vote Verb? Unwilling to lynch Kiv because...?

 

KIV AND AJ ARE NOT THE SAME ALIGNMENT IMO

again, i tend to agree. I do think that AJ is town here. 

 

For now, my townie list would include AJ, Decsarm, Nyn, Darthe, me. 

 

not sure: dice, Rags, Tress, Pral

 

not looking too hot: Hallia, Cass

 

 

.Thane I was leaning town on kiv. Had even said so in my reads list

 

Ah, ok... saw that too. But was that the only N0 view WOmbat did?

 

First blue    if Wombat peeked hallia N0 why did he post this?  the fact that he said it about her AND cass....who thinks cass may have been his second peek?

 

 

the second blue at Thane   WHA????  how many views a night do you think he got?

 

This post looks slightly off to me because Dice throws in the response about Kivam all quick, then strangely latches on to other stuff Thane says that isn't really that relevant imo, and just seems weird for Dice to be latching on to from that post

 

Ive got Cass and Thane locked as town.

 

AJ and Darthe pretty much locked. Not quite locked just in case ya know?

 

Rags and Tress are where im really looking to lynch. I can see the arguements re nyn but dont know that i agree. She started out strong Town nyn.  She has come a bit more null nyn for me.

 

Im thinking AJs idea may be good. lynch inactives. And yes i know ive been quiet but compared to those two im doing tommy type numbers.

 

Im mainly thinking Rags, because of that bit Tress posted about maybe needing to sub out and perhaps we should lynch her. Dont think mafia do that.

 

##Vote Rags

 

@ this post in general

 

des is cause im not sure on him atm.

 

Rags   its about inactivity as stated. He has given us nothing to make an informed decision on it.  and i know i can be included. i even said so.

 

the tress thing. it wasnt the sub bit that made me think  so much as the  you might wanna lynch me bit. That is something i dont think mafia say

 

hally   noone responded to my question about wom stating she and cass dont look good. All this seer cover crap has me uncertain whether i should view her as confirmed town or not. So i leave her out for now until im more sure

 

First of all, me and Csarmi are some of the most LOCK CLEAR people left in the game, if you've actually been following along like you say you have. We're CERTAINLY not mafia with Kivam after we tenaciously stuck to our reads and votes on that slot in a tight lynch, and we're not SK's because I doubt SK's provide Seer cover in this setup since that's essentially TRYING TO DRAW A NK. So yeah don't really buy that you're not sure on us

 

As for bolded: Uh, you ever hear of a little thing called AtE?

 

fine then. So explain to me then why  with the possibility of the SK choosing GF we sould just AUTOMATICALLY believe hally is town? yes wombat has viewed her but the possibility exists that she is SK and chose GF.

 

I still say i will tentatively view hally as town

 

Blech @ this as well. Looks like it could be scum!Darthe mad at townies being cleared, or even more specifically a SK trying to keep heat off of himself and not backtrack too obviously.

 

I'm with Salami here, SK chooses BPV in this setup 99 times out of 100 imo

 

 

 

Sorry about being so AWOL this game. I've been slammed IRL and devoted any Mafia to another game. No excuse, but I do apologize. I'll come around, I promise.

Tone ping.

 

Why?

 

I think it's cos it's so generic?

 

Hint.  Never, ever try to tone read me.  I am impossible to read, especially via tone.  It is an exercise in futility.  It's one of the things that makes me good at this game. 

 

 

This post makes me wanna snap lynch you Rags lol, despite Cass not really pointing out anything resembling bad tone at all

[hazelkrs1]

Ok that makes sense.

 

Noted.

 

I did explain I (really) hate being misunderstood.

 

Hating being misunderstood doesn't really mean you force out your roleclaim as fast as possible tho, especially not when you're trying to PREEMPT any "misunderstandings"

 

I didn't talk much about your VT claim at the time cause it was spoilered and I was hoping wilves missed it and wouldn't see it, but yeah that claim, in that spot, was a bad move. It looked self-conscious, and also made it easier for wolves to narrow the field down to help find and kill the seer.

 

Again, in the future, when town, it's really not a great idea to claim so unnecessarily. Only gives wolves more info.

[Pralaya]

Well, caught up now.

 

Hally is clearly not the scum because of Wombie peek.

 

Andrej was the counter-wagon to kivam and Kivam tried to push his train as an alternative. That makes me think that AJ is kind of cleared so far.

 

Darthe too has been focused on Yates on D1 and Kivam on D2. While I know Darthe likes to bus his teammates, trying to distance both of them on consecutive days is a bit too much to believe. For now, Darthe is out of contention.

 

Des/Csarmi is more of a tone read - from both of them. Csarmi is in his scum hunting meta and Des has been quite active throughout the game. His D2 posts against Kivam were pretty good and looked genuine. Good for now.

 

Nyn also seems to be putting a good effort but she has been off her targets the entire game. Went after me on D2 initially for not-so-great reasons and then after verb/barm (which I was fine with because I also had the same reads). But her tone seems genuine and am putting her higher in the list.

 

Tress has the fact that Yates missed her off his reads list. With the info and limited players right now, this may not be a strong reason after all. Her D1 posts were all buddying Des and going after the lead wagon Sili. That makes her slot iffy.

 

Dice's posts today look forced. Really forced. Like he said something by mistake and trying to justify it using whatever means necessary. He was the "seer cover" of Yates, which I thought was town, but is basically a wifom now.

 

Cass has been fine but for her D1 vote on yates  which came out of nowhere. That looked like distancing when I was catching up with the game. Still, she seems excited to play the game and she is being mentored by monstr. So, I can give her a benefit of doubt.

 

I never liked Thane posts on D1 and D2 and all he did was tunnel on me. D3 posts, he seems very confused but I am not sure whether it is genuine or faked. Thane has played enough games not to get confused by some simple play. And, that is why I am thinking he is faking it a bit here. 

I have no idea what Rags has done so far. Putting him all the way down for that

 

 

Good with either Rags or Thane today and I am quite sure that's where the last scum is.

[Pralaya]

@Cass: the ramble thing had nothing to do with your VT claim. The rambling just makes my eyes glaze over a bit when trying to read your posts, so I skim instead.

 

This just made me laugh, especially coming from Des