[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[WWWwombat]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty pleading too FWIW.

[Cass]

This makes no sense. Play this out in your head.  Assume I'm town, and haven't seen anything specific from Wes to make me suspect him of being scum beyond general wariness, but have seen specific things from others that do.  How would I present my arguments?

 

In my mind?

 

In the context of the others? The same way that you have.

 

 

 

In the context of Wes?

 

Like this: "I always suspect him of being scum, beyond a general wariness, but I have not seen specific things this game which point to scum."

 

Not (ever) like this:

 

Re Wes - I answered you on this earlier.  The plays you're reading as scummy are typical of him as town.  Can't explain why without destroying whatever effectiveness they might otherwise have, 

 

 

Especially not when he had effectively done something much the same:

 

 

c) @DPR - What's your read on Kiv? When you suggested a Scum team that didn't include you or Kiv - why did you suggest Kiv should be out too? I can think of a 'plausible' reason for you, now. But not quite one for Kiv....?

 

 

So, for various reasons, I'm not going to go into detail on all of the possibilities regarding Kiv. 

 

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

 

@Kiv - dude, unless we find a better lynch, I'm going to have to switch for self-preservation.

I don't dislike the logic of this but I hate the pleading way that it's stated. I could still switch here.

How could you possibly infer a pleading way there?

 

This is why this tone crap is complete garbage. That was a sentence with a simple statement of fact.

Allow me to translate your post.

 

Dude, I really don't want to do it but if we get to EoD I'm going to have to vote you so I can live. Exactly the way you said that and it pings.

Ok. Still no pleading. I don't want to lynch Kiv unless I'm sure he's scum.

 

I'm not sure at the moment. Neither is Barm, or else he would have voted there.

[WWWwombat]

Not sure it means anything wrt alignment though.

[WWWwombat]

DERF GIMME YOUR SOULREAD ON AJ

[Verbal32]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty pleading too FWIW.

Now you're trolling me.

 

I'm shooting you tonight.

[WWWwombat]

 

Yeah, I thought that was pretty pleading too FWIW.

Now you're trolling me.

 

I'm shooting you tonight.

 

 

^scum

[Verbal32]

Yes it is. I know I'm town. It's +EV to not get myself lynched.

Then why are you also on my case for trying to live?

[WWWwombat]

 

Yes it is. I know I'm town. It's +EV to not get myself lynched.

Then why are you also on my case for trying to live?

 

 

I'm not.  Just saying I can see where Darthe is coming from.

[Kivam]

Screw it.  I'm at the gallows anyway, since Verb will put me in the lead if nothing else breaks, and I'm more inclined to lynch AJ than VerBarm anyway.

 

[v]##Andrej[/v]

 

FTR, would consider a CFD on Derf after those last pushes

[Darthe]

DERF GIMME YOUR SOULREAD ON AJ

I always want to say "I'VE READ HIS SOUL AND FOUND HIM WANTING" but no.  I got AJ as a solid town read.

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

Yes it is. I know I'm town. It's +EV to not get myself lynched.

Then why are you also on my case for trying to live?

I'm not. Just saying I can see where Darthe is coming from.

Riiiiiiight

[Verbal32]

FTR, would consider a CFD on Derf after those last pushes

Same.

[Cass]

Screw it.  I'm at the gallows anyway, since Verb will put me in the lead if nothing else breaks, and I'm more inclined to lynch AJ than VerBarm anyway.

 

[v]##Andrej[/v]

 

FTR, would consider a CFD on Derf after those last pushes

 

 

You don't want to explain my response?

[Cass]

I haven't seen that from you so far...

[Kivam]

Oh, lord.

 

When Wes is town, he likes to make piss-poor arguments on purpose to see who pounces, then pressure people who do.  Of course, now that that's in the open, it cannot possibly work.  Which is why I told you I didn't want to talk about it.

 

But again, since I know I'm town and don't know that Wes is, you've given me no choice.

[WWWwombat]

Bleh.  This EOD sucks.

[Darthe]

That logic only applies if you know the person saving themselves is town.  If not it's null at best to self preserve.

[WWWwombat]

Yeah, but you implied it was something townies shouldn't do.  Which makes no sense.

[Kivam]

 

Screw it.  I'm at the gallows anyway, since Verb will put me in the lead if nothing else breaks, and I'm more inclined to lynch AJ than VerBarm anyway.

 

[v]##Andrej[/v]

 

FTR, would consider a CFD on Derf after those last pushes

 

 

You don't want to explain my response?

 

Just saw it, and just did.

 

And as for Wes on me, he said it very clearly: He doesn't even bother trying for me until D3 at the earliest, because my play D1 & D2 is too consistent for him to have any specific feel. 

 

You're better than needing all of this spelled out.

[Verbal32]

Oh, lord.

 

When Wes is town, he likes to make piss-poor arguments on purpose to see who pounces, then pressure people who do. Of course, now that that's in the open, it cannot possibly work. Which is why I told you I didn't want to talk about it.

 

But again, since I know I'm town and don't know that Wes is, you've given me no choice.

Many folks do this. I don't really think you're crampin' his style by saying this.

[WWWwombat]

[v]##AJ[/v]

[Kivam]

That logic only applies if you know the person saving themselves is town.  If not it's null at best to self preserve.

NS Sherlock.  It's not a tell for anyone else.  But it explains why a townie would and should self protect, and makes your questioning self protection a giant freaking scum sign

[Verbal32]

That logic only applies if you know the person saving themselves is town. If not it's null at best to self preserve.

It's called 'point of view'.

[Tommyrod]

Vote Count D2.17:

Kivam (3): AJ [#2373], Deslami [#2623], Darthe [#2728]
Verbarm (3): Nyn [#2192], Saladtosser [#2202], Pral [#2500]
AJ (3): Verbarm [#2562], Kivam [#2785], Wombat [#2797]
Pral (1): Thane [#1931]
Wombat (1): DPR [#2730]

Unvote (1): Cass [#2187]

Not Voting (4): Hallia, Krak, Rags, Tress

At the gallows: Kivam

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.