[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[Thane Vakarian]

In general? She feels town to me by the way she posts and interacts in the game. Still a bit careful seeing i don't know her from any other game and she might have me fooled, but still more town than anything else.

 

For Yates... i dunno... he might just have a hard time catching up (which is understandable, i had problems too). Way he posts does feel a bit forced though. Will give him time to catch up and see how his gameplay develops. 

[hazelkrs1]

Pgs 70-74 I think? Mebbe 75

 

Also, maybe someone could expain why clovdyx and woobat(that's his name?) are no longer a suspects? I don't have a strong conviction, but last I read of clovydx he was wolfish and the same goes for woobat(hope that's his name). clov more than woo.

 

I've never really been a "suspect" for anyone besides AJ, Tommy,and maybe Salami, so asking why I'm "no longer" a suspect doesn't make much sense to me.

 

 

Morning;

 

What can I do to change that scum feel?

 

@Tommy - I agree, it is odd that so many are saying I'm scummy, but no one's feeling brave enough to vote.

 

Yeah, that is odd.  Maybe not in the way you imply though.  Also, this post was entirely aimed at defending yourself.  Do not like.

 

 

You guys should just trust me and Tomcat and consolidate on Wombat.

I'd be willing.  His responses haven't been quite up to par.

 

@Alanna; fair enough, you explained that pretty well.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Wombat

 

 

So, as soon as people start demolishing your Alanna vote, you hop to a trending candidate with a vague reason.  Looks to me like you're not really trying to scumhunt.

 

 

Vair bad post from Wombat.

 

1st response contradicts the last response- how is Wombat a "trending candidate" if he is "no 'longer' a suspect"?

 

And the 2nd part- "this post was entirely aimed at defending yourself" whaaaaa? How and in what world is that scummy? You don't have to directly scumhunt in every single post, you can defend yourself if need be then try doing something else in a diff post. Wombat's point against Hallia here is

 

 

In terms of the exchange that went on between Despo, Hallia, and csarmi - I feel like csarmi came out looking the worse here. He seemed to wiggle a lot on how he felt about Hallia, sometimes acting as though he was pretty confident she's town, other times agreeing she looked sketchy, and then that weird post about how, if she's town, he "needs her." Why? Because she's one of the few people who hasn't thrown suspicion your way?

 

I also just personally dislike that he said he doesn't like to lynch null reads on Day 1, but rather scum (well, duh, we all do, if we can get to where we feel sure enough that someone is scum). Yet when prodded by Clov to, you know, scumhunt and take a look back at Wombat (one of his top suspects, but one he felt unsure about), he declined on account of being too lazy to reread. How do you expect to find a stronger scumread to lynch then, csarmi?  Bottom line is, you come off sounding like scum who is content to sit back and see what lynch possibilities pop up that you can jump on. I see that you're doing a bit of a reread now, but I still don't like the perspective you took there.

 

As for Hallia, I feel a little bit better about her after her re-read, but she's not clear for me by any means. There were times there where she still came off to me a bit as looking for places to take advantage of a player, rather than truly scumhunting (such as in post 1147, where she didn't seem to get why Despo backed off Thane - I thought Despo had explained that pretty clearly by then). And having done some detailed rereads myself as scum before, in order to look like I'm trying to scumhunt and get some pressure off of me, I'm still leery of her.

 

Csarmi, I believe you explained why Hallia looks better to you now, but can you explain specifically what you mean about her responding in real time, or something? And why that makes her look more townie to you?

 

Also, some thoughts on some players I haven't weighed in on yet -

 

As far as Yates, he's looking all right to me so far with his catch-up posts. I don't think it was weird he didn't weigh in on some of the current thread stuff, because he hadn't caught up there yet. Makes sense to me.

 

I will admit Sili has made a few posts that seem off to me, but since I don't know his usual tone or playstyle at all, I'm willing to just keep a close eye on him for now. He has also made some good insights with some of his posts.

 

I really can't read Tommy at all. I've played like one game with him. I see that Despo's gone after him a bit, and while my views are aligning a lot with Despo's this game, I'm leery about his take on Tommy because the one game I've played before with the two of them, they went at each other really aggressively the whole time, so I'm wondering if they're just usually like that with each other.

 

 

Would really like to hear more from Pral; he never posts much, but I'm surprised he hasn't weighed in more. Verb often doesn't post on the weekend at all. Hopefully SP will check in soon.

 

Don't have a problem with most of this post, but the way it signed off with the 'ol stand in thing about "oh and these people haven't said much, we should hear from them" often seems to come from scum in my experience. Like they feel more concerned with actually mentioning inactive either to try and steer talk towards them or because they don't want to not mention certain people (especially if one of the inactives is their teammate)

 

 

I see your point of Alanna potentially being a wolf for being able to present herself well enough to stay out of lynch range, but for now I'm willing to role with her as a green read without seeing any flips.

 

This is how I usually treat Alanna.  I almost always get town vibes from her because she sees the game similarly to me and always has good tone.  That makes it hard to read her early.  Usually by the time we get a few flips, her alignment should be more evident.  When she's town, she usually becomes obvtown by some point in the midgame.

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't think my fos on her was bad at the time. It sounded ok to me in my head, so I went with it. Isn't that what this whole game is about? It didn't go anywhere, she cleared it up and we moved on.

What you said didn't really make sense- the point she was making wasn't that meta on you lead her to believe you were scummy, but that meta on you lead her to realize you often look scummy to her so she wasn't confident in her read on you

Her words weren't really hard to understand either, so imo it was opportunistic on your part

Let's move on tho. Explain your "You think me Salami and Thane are scum again? LOL" post, that was really really bad.

 

 

This.  Alanna has basically said she doesn't consider meta very reliable.  But if she's using meta to caution herself against a scum read, that's not a contradiction at all.  She's not using it as a means of convicting or clearing.

 

 

^^^Wombat defending Alanna kind of out of the blue twice on the same page seemed kind of weird to me, like either trying to subtly cover for a teammate or trying to link himself to her in case he flipped scum

 

After all, first quote he's talking about how he'd rather give her more time to develop a read on her better, yet in like no time at all (26 mins to be precise) he's defending something she said

 

 

 

I'll allow it, but JUST LOVE ME TODAY

 

I've been on Dayquil all day and switched to Nyquil.  But the earlier stuff where I'm sure I didn't make sense was me on mobile.  I shouldn't play via phone at all.  It was bad.

 

I'll always love you Hallia, hope you know that

 

 

The jungle part does sound kinda odd. o.O

 

Soooo glad I pressured you btw. I think I brought you out of your shell, and now I can add you to my clears instead of have people worry about you for a while

 

 

 

Eww.  Adding Hallia to "clears" seems way premature.

 

 

And yeahhhhhhh Wombat is scum I think. This looks like scum irritated at losing a mislynch opportunity. Doesn't say WHY Hallia shouldn't be cleared, even tho he was pointing out stuff about her not long before this

 

 

 

 

Sili's OP felt like a forced casual post from an experienced player.  The joke about only scum claiming town and then saying he had wanted to be scum but rolled town with the eyeroll added in.
 
Thane for some of the tone things that Des seems to have seen.
 
As for you and Salami, I didn't like your hedge on Thane where you said that you might back off if others piled on.  Salami calling w/w on Des/Thane felt a bit chainsawish to me.

So, you base my scum lean on something that someone else might have picked up..... that's pretty thin imo. I'm more interested in your own personal opinion.
 
glad you're in the game though Wombat, been a while since we had a game together

 

This reads as a w/w interaction. Not just the hot and cold, but the "hey, it's been so long, we're obviously not on a team together!" type commentary comes from wolves more than you'd think.

 

 

If you're town, you need to stop chasing the mice inside your skull.

 

 

And yeah don't like this response here

 

I haven't played much mafia lately and apparently Salami has changed a bit, but I think Despo's right about Salami forcing his meta.  Doesn't it strike anyone else as a bit too extreme that every time Salami gets even the slightest bit of pressure he basically takes his ball and goes home?

 

This was also big tho- earlier Wombat was saying he'd keep in mind what I said about Csarmi forcing his meta; but I never really explained the context (the context was that last game Salami was town in he said he realized he never did ______ as scum, and he was right because the last time he was scum he didn't do that, and said he would have to do it as scum to cover himself more. THAT'S why I thought he was forcing his meta). So Wombat put out the placeholder thing about following my lead irt Salami forcing his meta, then later carried through on that in an opportunistic manner imo

 

I'm pretty sure one sentence blocks are also a scum tell. They're the easiest thing for a wolf to post.

 

This is dumb btw

 

1. Hally - mixed but probably spewed town if Salami flips scum
2. AJ - town lean
3.SickPuppets -_-
4.Thane - scum lean
5. Pral - null
6. Clov - mixed
7. Leelou - town read
8. Verbal - null
9. Des - town lean
10. Alanna - town lean
11. Yates - null
12. Csarmi - scum read
13. Womby - LOCK CLEAR
14. Sili - scum lean
15. Tommy - null
16. Nyn - town read

 

Lol, bout the whole "lazy reads list moar likely to come from scum" that I said before

 

This is actually especially true with Wombat. I hydra'd with him before, and his reads list was this crazy math filled color spectrum of easy to read and examine and well explained reads

 

This in comparison just looks like dog poop

 

 

 

Lee what's your general impression of Wombat so far?  

 

I don't see him as slimy scummy, I have him as null. I've been agreeing with some of what he's posting. The dingbat can fool me for a bit and I really need more time to properly read him. Like a Day phase or two with flips to see how he was manipulating things. I said it before though, I don't see how people are seeing him as scummy. 

 

 

HRMMMM

 

I didn't see Wombat as that scummy before, but seeing this when he WAS starting to look so is kinda interesting

 

 

Agreed, Nyn. 

 

What do you think of Salami? 

 

I think he's pinging all over the place and his exchange with Des in regards to Halli didn't do him any favors. He went into semantics land and wouldn't stop flapping his mouth. With that said I don't see him doing that with Halli if they were scummates. So I think Wombat has a point about salami flipping scum spewing Halli clear. I think vice versa would also be true. Which leaves me in a bit of a pickle because I have them both in my scummy leans lol

 

What gives me pause, as I mentioned before, was that post from the other game where he acted the same with the AtE and self voting with almost no pressure. I'm trying not to give it weight, but it's hard not to. And in other games he was being thick as town and arguing silly stuff. I think that as a townie he can often get in the way a lot and just be tiresome to deal with in general. So him being so freaking frustrating and relentless, despite mostly spewing nonesense that only makes sense to him, is making me second guess myself. I'm just wondering if he would be this vocal and all over the place as scum.

 

 

Basically EXACTLY where I'm at irt Salami now, and this just LOCK CLEARS Nyn more

 

Des used that reasoning to get me mislynched in Blackhoof's game, he said "if you're town you should see me as scum for pushing you so since you're appealing to me you must be scum" or something insane that I can't even believe he believes but apparently he does since I was right and he was town. Anyway, you can still have a town read on someone who suspects you, e.g. me being patient with Des.

 

Holy Christ did you misremember this

 

You aren't even REMOTELY close to what I was saying that game bro

 

You VOTED me, and were saying I looked scummy, but then immediately after strung like 50 posts in a row begging me to read you as town. All while still voting me. That's wolfy dude. You sucked that game.

 

OF COURSE you can town read someone who is suspecting you, if their suspicions seem genuine and from a town POV. That has nothing to do with what I was saying that game tho.

 

Catching up, the game started the moment I went out of town. 

 

[hazelkrs1]

All I have time for right now- freaking Sunday nights blow so hard. Actually a lot busier than you would think, yet we're always one man down. SO freaking lame

 

Anyways my top suspects are now Thane, Verb, Wombat, Alanna, and Leelou

 

Don't think scum would so neatly tie themselves together D1 so I doubt the first four are ALL scum, but I also think there's a very good chance there is multiple scum in that group

 

Thane is scumclaiming recently btw

 

"What if, and just hear me out cause this is a crazy concept, what IF I flipped town here?"

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

Would vote any of my top three (Thane/Verb/Wombat)

[Thane Vakarian]

you still refuse to answer my question Des.... lynch me, sure, lose a townie, sure. Don't cry after when my final words will be ' I told you so'. I am VT this game, would even hardclaim that. 

[Thane Vakarian]

All I have time for right now- freaking Sunday nights blow so hard. Actually a lot busier than you would think, yet we're always one man down. SO freaking lame

 

Anyways my top suspects are now Thane, Verb, Wombat, Alanna, and Leelou

 

Don't think scum would so neatly tie themselves together D1 so I doubt the first four are ALL scum, but I also think there's a very good chance there is multiple scum in that group

 

Thane is scumclaiming recently btw

 

"What if, and just hear me out cause this is a crazy concept, what happens when I flip town here?"

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

Would vote any of my top three (Thane/Verb/Wombat)

quote fixed

[csarmi]

All I have time for right now- freaking Sunday nights blow so hard. Actually a lot busier than you would think, yet we're always one man down. SO freaking lame

 

Anyways my top suspects are now Thane, Verb, Wombat, Alanna, and Leelou

 

Don't think scum would so neatly tie themselves together D1 so I doubt the first four are ALL scum, but I also think there's a very good chance there is multiple scum in that group

 

Thane is scumclaiming recently btw

 

"What if, and just hear me out cause this is a crazy concept, what IF I flipped town here?"

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Thane[/v]

 

Would vote any of my top three (Thane/Verb/Wombat)

 

I really doubt Leelou would be scum here. This is based on her interaction with Nynaeve (been mentioned in thread earlier, basically I think - and Nyn also confirmed this - that she just wouldn't be able to fool her that up close (in what you call D1 chatter)).

[Sili Quirrels]

pretty sure thane is town.

 

he's sensible. he sounds like he's trying to have a conversation.

[Sili Quirrels]

anyone can do that... i dunno... he gives me a familiar vibe. i may say more when i pinpoint why exactly i think he's town. for now he's sensible and can have a conversation without rushing to a lynch vote.

[csarmi]

He has an everscummy tone all the time.

 

So are you accordign to TomTom.

 

Great minds alike?

[Sili Quirrels]

Well we could start with he has a familiar tone, and he reminds me of a certain townie, yes.

 

Why do you think he is scum?

[Thane Vakarian]

i do have a scummy tone, but i type what i think, and don't hesitate to do so. Maybe honesty is scummy? dunno.... i'm trying to contribute to the town victory as good or bad as i can. While driving home, i was thinking about Des and his tunneling on me... it makes no sense. I'd have less problems with AJ doing that, seeing i fooled him last game, but from Des....? It raises some questionmarks.....   

[hazelkrs1]

hurray for multiposts

 

I think Des has a plan for when i flip town, he'd have his suspects and a flip on my side would give him info. So, let's say i actually flipped town, what then? 

 

Thane you know and I know you are never flipping town this game

 

No townie ever says "What happens if I actually flip town"

 

You scum claimed

 

Des, here's a question for you. Should i be killed (lynched, Nk'd, vigged, whatever) and flip town (which i would), how would that affect your vision on the game? In other words, who'd be prime suspect?

 

Also this is the classic scum ploy to try and subconsciously insert yourself in the minds of others as a townie by saying "Hey, imagine I'm town here"

 

You aren't doing anything to show that it would be more likely you would flip town, just suggesting the possibility, and also there's no rosetta stone in a townflip on you this game- you flipping town wouldn't suddenly reveal anyone else as looking any worse, or better really

 

All it is is you trying to redirect focus elsewhere

[hazelkrs1]

Yall should have listened to me from the start

[Thane Vakarian]

*sighs*

 

ah well, if that's what you think Des, then that's too bad. You're wrong, andsomewhere during this game, we'll find out that  you are. I never said IF i'd flip town, but when... small but important detail. Though, you'll never believeme, so i'm going to talk more to the other players who seem more reasonable.

 

It's normal that i'm trying to get attention away from me, because all the energy you waste on me could be used finding scum. Unless you're one, then you only need a mirror.  

[Thane Vakarian]

i honestly have no idea what you're trying to achieve here, besides a mislynch

[Yates]

This brings me up to my replace in post on page 45:

1. Hally

First post is a blatant ~sheep of Tommy in 227. Arg. Probably villiagery of her, though.

Hally yields to pressure and unvotes in 370. Another gross Hally Town move.

 

2. AJ

Makes the first 2nd vote on a player - Sili - in #16.

Nothing really notable until post 227 when he likes the Wombat vote. I do too.

Yeah. I likek 293. AJ probably Town.

699 "Another thing with Wombat is that when he's a villager he wields it like a sword." Fair point.

 

 

3.SickPuppets

4.Thane

Lulz entry with everyone possible scum post 35. Meh

Calls out WWWwombat for scum reading him due to what Des may be thinking. My thoughts exactly.

 

5. Pral

6. Clov

Finally arrives with a vote on Leelou for "seven straight games."

388 says Nyn and Hally are both Town. Again - why Nyn? Agree with Hally. Claims scum read on Leelou is legit.

436 - Clov Gambit? I don't recall seeing one of those before.

Starting to look like Town posting in 613. "I don't follow this logic at all." re Des saying Tommy Town means Hally=lock scum. Me neither.

 

7. Leelou

MANY posts of zero sustance to start.

Claims she can see Nyn as Town because Nyn appears relaxed. Not sure I'm buying this.

Votes Csarmi out of the blue when he is catching heat in 478

 

8. Verbal

Bunch of junk.

Challenges Thane on questioning WWWwombat on something *I* would have questioned WWWwombat on. Do not like.

Retracts in 196 - so reaction test I guess?

 

9. Des

Decides to "target" Thane with his Desness.

Finally back in the 550's with some crazy theories.

560 is a better explanation for why he really voted Thane - meta scumbro experience.

Not sure why he's against the WWWwombat votes?

"Wombat, Nyn, Sili, and AJ all look Purdy good right now, Wombat And Nyn especially so" Again - why Wombat?

592 Quotes the exact post that made me decide Nyn was probably Town as a Lock Town post. Des is probably Town.

Disagree with greening Clov in 594 but we can talk later.

597 - Also agree that Csarmi is looking for others to make his points early. Might even just sheep Des.

603 "Pretty sure he's [Csarmi] trying to force his town meta, like hard" Noted. Will be looking for this.

606 "Town Clov likes early "gambits"" Is this true? I haven't seen it in our ~3 games recently.

 

10. Alanna

Arrives in 622. Not blown away by the opening. Totally feel her on Hally, though.

 

12. Csarmi

RVS vote Sili in #14.

"Des/Thane looks w/w to me." Joking? #59

Why does he specifically ask Tommy about Sili's entry? #63

Backs up an RVS vote with Sili claiming he's a hippocrite #76

403 I agree that the Nyn Town read seems early and unsupported.

407 undoes the good will with the vote on Leelou. Again. WHY?

813 claims his RVS vote was a "serious" vote. Also don't like calling Des/Thane w/w and using Tommy to prop it.

Scum Csarmi would likely mean Town Tommy atp. And stope with "midmeld."

Re 817 defense of "AJ is rustled" - looked like a pot shot to me as well IN CONTEXT, actually.

 

13. Womby

Enters with fear that he won't outpost the mods

Claims Thane and Sili - the only two people anyone has pretended to have scum reads on - are scum leans. Do not like.

"Thane for some of the tone things that Des seems to have seen." Rings as hollow - he doesn't know Des's reason for starting on Thane.

WWWwombat is digging in to his Thane scum read in 197.

FINALLY makes a post I agree with in 517 calling Leelou null, Nyn just becoming Town, and Clov's lock clear excessive.

545 "Salami quitting doesn't actually make sense to me as either alignment unless he's truly burnt out or he's symping someone or something." Symping? What?

816 bangs on Csarmi and Hally - both of which already have pressure.

826 "watching verb and leelou" noted. What do you see?

835 adds Sili to the scumspect list.

 

14. Sili

OMGUS RVS Votes Csarmi in #15.

Later unvotes for no apparent reason.

 

15. Tommy

Claims to have meta knowledge on Sili looking wolf as VT

Takes Csarmi's "w/w" post seriously and agrees

Votes Thane in next post [68] for weak reasons. RVS or serious?

Says Sili's "cockiness" caught his eye - still voting Thane

Town reading Nyn for that 318 follow up? Wut?

"I'm waiting on Pral but the tone he gave off when he was here was good." I don't even have a NOTE on Pral yet. He has 1 post 2 posts. How do you get "good tone" from 3 1/2 sentences?

 

16. Nyn

Asks Des to expand on his Thane read - then has about a dozen non game related posts - mostly about her bewbs and sitting in laps.

Finally enters the game in post 200 with opinion on Thane.

Why is Nyn asking TOM about AJ's preferences wrt rolling Town/Scum in 318?

Nyn gives Leelou a "likewise" Town read? She hasn't SAID anything!!

412 gives the back story. Feel better about that. She's targeting Clov. Seems reasonable. I've had Clov pegged as Town after two posts before. Not this game.

426 acknowledges Leelou hasn't done anything. So weird.

Nyn follows Leelou's vote on Csarmi with one of her own in 480

624 "Usually Clov is very neat and pretty much overwhelms me with his logic. Like I can sit there and just nod when I read his posts." Absolutely this.

 

 

Now to get caught up on the stuff in between...

[Nynaeve]

@Yates

 

 

I haven't said anything of importance between page 35 to page 45? Odd.

 

Also why do you have a point after your handle? That's just mean lol

[Sili Quirrels]

*sighs*

 

ah well, if that's what you think Des, then that's too bad. You're wrong, andsomewhere during this game, we'll find out that  you are. I never said IF i'd flip town, but when... small but important detail. Though, you'll never believeme, so i'm going to talk more to the other players who seem more reasonable.

 

It's normal that i'm trying to get attention away from me, because all the energy you waste on me could be used finding scum. Unless you're one, then you only need a mirror.  

I don't care about that scum claim, but this response was forced.

 

>>

 

Well I'm not going to vote for you or anything, but I'm not as confident anymore.

 

@scum claim. seems like you slipped out of your town-role for a second and spoke as a third party. It happens. Though I wonder when the last time an actual wolfed slipped and claimed scum anyway - how common is that?

 

Not very frequent, I imagine, but I could be wrong given how little experience I have. I defer to those with a better head on their shoulders :: Tom, AJ, Nyn.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

I don't know if it's occurred to anyone, but what wombat and clovdyx are doing is fishing for a wagon. They aren't genuinely concerned with whether csarmi is scum.What they need is a scapegoat to fill a sinking boat, so they're doing their best to exacerbate some sketchy but not altogether unreasonable play for a town.

It's absolutely unreasonable play for town. When "That post I made was a town post!" is the BEST defense you have going for yourself, that's a bad sign. When you willingly admit to abandoning your own reads to follow sheep somebody else's, it's a bad sign. When every post you make seems to contradict the way the game has gone....it's a bad sign.

 

The fact you're trying to discredit people for this conclusion looks a lot worse for you than it does for us IMO because I see ZERO reason for reading him as town. And no, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt because he blew up and self voted after minimal pressure a few hours into the game.

Clov, you're pushing Salami as scummy for playing bad instead of trying to figure out whether he can be town despite playing bad. You're reminding me of my scum game again -- specifically how I get late game mislynches by preventing players from forming a plausible explanation for their behavior.

 

Not sure if Clov/Wombat would be w/w while so blatantly double teaming. Clov probably isn't above that though; our coordinated hammer in the Tron game comes to mind.

 

Wombat, you don't have any read on Clov despite appearing to agree with him a lot last night in the Great Siliami Wars?

[Nynaeve]

The Great Salami Wars xD

[Tommyrod]

Between Salami Sili and Thane I think Thane is most likely to be scum. Call it TWTBAWW for the others.

 

But Clov/Wombat has a wolf in it ~every time and I'm noticing Hallia has gone un-discussed again. Pressure always moves to one of Salami/Sili/Wombat/Thane but not Hallia. Threadflow analysis implies she's a wolf for being a thread accepted scum suspect yet not being wagoned.

[Yates]

As of my replace in? My thoughts are:

 

Des is a blue read on Day 1. This is a historical and monumental day. If we were a hydra I wouldn't even be asking him questions in the QT and just tell him to keep going with his bad self.

 

AJ is dark green. Ned Nederlander rides again!

Nyn is dark green. And this warms my heart. Remind me to ask you about you Leelou read.

 

Tommy hasn't sold me yet. No reason to suspect scum but not a strong town lean just because I have some problems with his conclusions I'll need explained.

Alanna hasn't sold me yet. I mostly agree with her pop in posts but for some reason I can't get a read on them being genuine vs consensus. Not a lot of ORIGINAL content so this bothers me enough to keep her from being Town.

Sili is an odd duck. I don't think AJ was stretching THAT BAD with his GF comparison but Des is right that Sili is a little more straight forward when he actually makes points. It's just the random "zen" posts that look like wtf moments.

 

Hally - I did note Des's comment about disagreeing with my "Hally Town" comment. We can talk. I acknowledge that I'm a fat Mexican kid wearing a blindfold swinging a bat at a pinata when it comes to reading Hally. But she does some "weird" stuff as Town that I thought was scummy but ended up just being Hally logic. Those posts were typical Hally logic posts. Meh. It isn't a strong read but keeps me from tunneling on her.

SP and Pral are non contributors.

Leelou - non contributor in terms of content despite quite a few posts. This is a problem for me. I'll need Nyn's help on this one.

Verb - low side of null. I haven't seen anything scummy but I haven't seen anything to like. I feel like Verb and I usually have a similar approach wrt logic in these games and I haven't started nodding my head yet. Low content may be a factor here.

Thane - I actually didn't have a lot of problems with Thane but he didn't post much. I did like him calling out WWWwombat for what Des might be thinking b/c that's what I was thinking at the time. Feels like he just might be a whipping boy early on. Need him to Town up the joint so I can draw some conclusions about people doing the whipping.

 

Csarmi - The buddying and "lock clear" and trying to get other people to say what you are thinking before you say what you are thinking is way overdone. I'm tinfoiling on you abusing Town meta with your emo posting earlier - especially since you keep going back to "I don't AtE as scum!!!"

I should have Clov as obv Town by now. I don't. This concerns me.

Wombat - there's a LOT not to like here. You know how I said Thane might be a whipping boy? Wombat would be the taskmaster in this scenario.

 

I think there's one scum in my bottom 3 and the rest are most likely in my Hally through Thane pile.

[Tommyrod]

Salami / Wombat at 4-4 votes earlier is the first game I can recall on DM with tight D1 wagons. That's a good sign.

[Sili Quirrels]

meh, i agree thane is the more likely of the two.

 

don't know what TWTBAWW stands for.

[Yates]

@Yates

 

 

I haven't said anything of importance between page 35 to page 45? Odd.

 

Also why do you have a point after your handle? That's just mean lol

Some other jamoke that hasn't posted in 100 years stole Yates from me. If you look at my post #1 on site I say "you have a false Yates!"

 

You didn't have anything "noteworthy" between 35 to 45. I already had you as Town by then, though, so some of the stuff you were saying was influencing my reads. If you look, though, there's nothing there I need to see follow up on as everything you were chipping in about was happening organically.

 

I *DO* want to ask you about your Leelou read, though. Is she Town, as you suggested earlier? What am I missing? I see no value added posts by her.