Freemasons vs. Illuminati - Day One

[dicetosser1]

to be completely honest i wouldnt do this as scum cause i dont think i could back it up. and yes i know about the  "never do as scum bit" but its true.
 

and im not gonna break ure heart bro.

 

think about WHY its a good thing here.  you have someone with a track record, small i grant, of doing it. 100% truth rate so far. this game has a bunch of vanillas and a bunch of people who have to claim vanilla if they claim at all. This way, if you believe me you eliminate a spot the scum can use.

 

tell you what  if i flip ANYTHING other then vanilla, i will HELP you instalynch me for the next three games we are in.  thats how much im not playing you.

 

and btw this was all aimed at you cause you took the most notice of it when i did it before and asked about it later as well.

[AddictByNature]

Okay sorry for my absence, I've been very sick and busy on top of it. I haven't completely caught up but what I am getting from this is that you all want me to claim. I'm VT. Yates, I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm completely confused but maybe reading more of this thread will help.

[dicetosser1]

gee what a surprising claim....

[AddictByNature]

gee what a surprising claim....

Instead of using sarcasm that does absolutely nothing to challenge my claim, why don't you offer up your opinion as to why it is so surprising. I obviously have no idea what is going on, ergo vanilla town. If I were Mason I would have at least one vouch, and if I were scum I would know everything right? Or am I reading the mafia wiki wrong? Anywho. Let me know when you want to actually talk instead of throwing comments around.

[dicetosser1]

addict look at my post above ures then you will see why i said that.

 

 

talking to someone who has been gone 4 days and hasnt caught up is pointless

[AddictByNature]

to be completely honest i wouldnt do this as scum cause i dont think i could back it up. and yes i know about the  "never do as scum bit" but its true.

 

and im not gonna break ure heart bro.

 

think about WHY its a good thing here.  you have someone with a track record, small i grant, of doing it. 100% truth rate so far. this game has a bunch of vanillas and a bunch of people who have to claim vanilla if they claim at all. This way, if you believe me you eliminate a spot the scum can use.

 

tell you what  if i flip ANYTHING other then vanilla, i will HELP you instalynch me for the next three games we are in.  thats how much im not playing you.

 

and btw this was all aimed at you cause you took the most notice of it when i did it before and asked about it later as well.

I read this and it tells me that you are trying to narrow the scum down by eliminating all possible spots through confirmed town. Of course, who wouldnt confirm VT with the Masons having partners. That's 4 spots right there, leaving only scum and VT. Eliminate all vanillas and you have the remainder of the 2 scum that are left. However, you are really trying to push Yates to agree with you. Adding the "instalynch" bit makes me feel like you are desperate to get someone to take your side on this. I'm really not sure what to make of you. You may just be VT trying to play it to the best of your abilities (for me it's like flying blind so that is what I am using to associate it due to my sparce experience) to out the scum. Or, you could be really clever and manipulating Yates to lynch a townie or a Mason.

 

p.s.

I'll be sure to catch up asap.

[dicetosser1]

actually thats me trying to convince yates not to tinfoil on me as he had indicated in a previous game he would be likely to do

[Clovdyx]

 

to be completely honest i wouldnt do this as scum cause i dont think i could back it up. and yes i know about the  "never do as scum bit" but its true.
 

and im not gonna break ure heart bro.

 

think about WHY its a good thing here.  you have someone with a track record, small i grant, of doing it. 100% truth rate so far. this game has a bunch of vanillas and a bunch of people who have to claim vanilla if they claim at all. This way, if you believe me you eliminate a spot the scum can use.

 

tell you what  if i flip ANYTHING other then vanilla, i will HELP you instalynch me for the next three games we are in.  thats how much im not playing you.

 

and btw this was all aimed at you cause you took the most notice of it when i did it before and asked about it later as well.

 

I hate everything about this post.  I think it's much more likely to come from Dice as town than mafia, but this is just dirty playing.

 

 

gee what a surprising claim....

Instead of using sarcasm that does absolutely nothing to challenge my claim, why don't you offer up your opinion as to why it is so surprising. I obviously have no idea what is going on, ergo vanilla town. If I were Mason I would have at least one vouch, and if I were scum I would know everything right? Or am I reading the mafia wiki wrong? Anywho. Let me know when you want to actually talk instead of throwing comments around.

 

 

If you're scum and not paying attention, as you claim (being away from the thread, not claimed scum), you wouldn't know what's going on....

[Clovdyx]

 

to be completely honest i wouldnt do this as scum cause i dont think i could back it up. and yes i know about the  "never do as scum bit" but its true.

 

and im not gonna break ure heart bro.

 

think about WHY its a good thing here.  you have someone with a track record, small i grant, of doing it. 100% truth rate so far. this game has a bunch of vanillas and a bunch of people who have to claim vanilla if they claim at all. This way, if you believe me you eliminate a spot the scum can use.

 

tell you what  if i flip ANYTHING other then vanilla, i will HELP you instalynch me for the next three games we are in.  thats how much im not playing you.

 

and btw this was all aimed at you cause you took the most notice of it when i did it before and asked about it later as well.

I read this and it tells me that you are trying to narrow the scum down by eliminating all possible spots through confirmed town. Of course, who wouldnt confirm VT with the Masons having partners. That's 4 spots right there, leaving only scum and VT. Eliminate all vanillas and you have the remainder of the 2 scum that are left. However, you are really trying to push Yates to agree with you. Adding the "instalynch" bit makes me feel like you are desperate to get someone to take your side on this. I'm really not sure what to make of you. You may just be VT trying to play it to the best of your abilities (for me it's like flying blind so that is what I am using to associate it due to my sparce experience) to out the scum. Or, you could be really clever and manipulating Yates to lynch a townie or a Mason.

 

p.s.

I'll be sure to catch up asap.

 

 

This is some spot on analysis, but can you elaborate on the last sentence?  I think it's pretty clear that he's not going to be lynching BFG or GF (the two claimed masons), and from what I can tell, you're the one that's really on Yates radar.  You claimed VT.  How are any masons at risk right now?

[Yates]

I'm VT. Yates, I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm completely confused but maybe reading more of this thread will help.

That's a reasonable response. I was stupidly and obviously trying to trick you into saying you were Des's partner if you were scum.

[Clovdyx]

 

I'm VT. Yates, I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm completely confused but maybe reading more of this thread will help.

That's a reasonable response. I was stupidly and obviously trying to trick you into saying you were Des's partner if you were scum.

 

 

Is this serious?  I read up, and I'll be honest - I don't know what you're trying to do anymore.  

[Yates]

I'm back to wanting to lynch Key. I'm fairly certain that one of Key/Dice is scum based SOLELY on the fact that Lenlo can't help himself when it comes to faking a Town read on a scum buddy.

[Yates]

Is this serious?  I read up, and I'll be honest - I don't know what you're trying to do anymore.

Yeah. Addi hadn't claimed and I wanted to see if she was considering claiming to be Des's mason or not in the scum QT. I'm obviously not the Seer with an investigation result on Addi.

[keyholder21]

I'm back to wanting to lynch Key. I'm fairly certain that one of Key/Dice is scum based SOLELY on the fact that Lenlo can't help himself when it comes to faking a Town read on a scum buddy.

You think he was trying to spew Dice and I town?

[Yates]

 

I'm back to wanting to lynch Key. I'm fairly certain that one of Key/Dice is scum based SOLELY on the fact that Lenlo can't help himself when it comes to faking a Town read on a scum buddy.

You think he was trying to spew Dice and I town?

 

Yeah. As I believe you have noted yourself, it's just what he does.

[Yates]

[v]Key[/v]

 

I still have a special place in my heart for you. You aren't scummy, you're just rolled that way. :(

[keyholder21]

So the SOLE reason for this vote is because Len said that he thought I was Town?  

[Yates]

So the SOLE reason for this vote is because Len said that he thought I was Town?

Between that and how you handled the early game? Yes.

 

Last game he didn't do a reads list but spewed you as Town. And he couldn't help but vote Arsis. I forgot who he voted for first here, GF? And, again, he couldn't help but vote Town.

[Yates]

No, he actually RVS voted TG "for the lulz."

 

So that actually makes TG townier, imo.

[keyholder21]

I'm back to wanting to lynch Key. I'm fairly certain that one of Key/Dice is scum based SOLELY on the fact that Lenlo can't help himself when it comes to faking a Town read on a scum buddy.

 

God dangit DM you DID IT AGAIN IM DONE WITH YOU. Also almost posted my essay on the Odyssey. That woulda been a read.

 

1 Dice - Scum lean. Hes been fake scumhunting imo. It doesnt remind me of how he was last game and is leaving me with a bad feeling.

 

3 AJ - Town Lean? Ive liked more of your posts than ive disliked but some of them leave me scratching my head. For instance your whole thing about not wanting to disrupt Clovs thing because he might be trying for a gambit or something rubbed me the wrong way. Seeing as how ive already got 3 scum leans im willing to put you in the town pile for now and revise this later if need be.

 

4 Key - Scum Lean. Her "sense" on me at the beginning feels weird. As you pointed out last game she was bussing me pretty hard and distancing so her sense that I was scum last game was infact a lie. We were on the same team. Yet this game she doesnt "sense" im scum? I dont like how this was worded/phrased. I also dont really understand her Despo vote.

 

5 Clov - Town. Ive liked all that hes posted, his reasoning for afew people agrees with mine.

 

6 Des - Null. Whatever I do right now my read on him is gonna be colored because im peeved at him. Hes been abit of donkey to me lately and its hard to let that go, so I wanna come back to him when im not pissed at him.

 

7 TG - Scum lean. I feel that he started off this game going for me with similarly stupid posts as what he had before in the last game so he could say "Hey look, im doing the same thing I was doing before, I havnt changed!" while simultaneously going after a really easy lynch, me.

 

8 Hally - Town lean. She seems to be actually playing this game, instead of trying to slide under the radar with jokey cutesy crap and coasting on baseless LOCK CLEAR town reads some people give her for who knows what reasons. Which is good.

 

9 GF - Scum lean. I hate her playstyle. Sitback and observe? When are we gonna get these thoughts and read? When its endgame and we only need one mislynch to lose? Yeah no im sure that would be perfect for you.

 

10 Addi - Town lean. People brought up the coaching angle earlier, but theres 2 mason teams out there so thats null. Also did some actions that I dont think the scum team would suggest/let them do, such as going after Clov right out of the gate.

 

11 Yates - Null.

 

12 BFG - Post more.

 

Might have missed something since this is the third one. Dont care. Sleeping.

[v]GF[/v]

WTL GF, TG, Dice

[keyholder21]

I'm not scum, Yates.  But I think you are, and overplayed your hand here trying to get me lynched. 

 

[v]Yates[/v]

[Yates]

Well. I'll be a monkey's uncle. Why have I been thinking this whole time he called you two Town?

[Yates]

Why didn't you bring that up the first three or four times I said that?

[keyholder21]

Not sure. Especially since you highlighted me and dice for being one of his scum leans, earlier.

 

 

Dice – I feel like I want dice to be town, but I am not sure. I liked him in the beginning, but I question his question to Addi. I thought it was a joke, but he says it’s not. I also do not see the same level of effort that has been in his town game recently.

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans. Even though there were four. With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des,

Scum lean- Dice, Key

IIRC, Len usually puts one teammate in his town/null reads and one in his scum reads. I'll go back and look/link Dr. Who, though in just a minute.

 

So if you think Dice is Town...???

 

[Yates]

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