[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[hazelkrs1]

If Slendy was pushing Pral yesterday, and most aren't impressed with his play anyways why not lynch him?

 

Lynch Pral

 

The problem Hallia is we don't know if Slendy viewed Pray as scum or not. Just because we know Slender was town doesn't mean we know he was right on Pray if he didn't view him

 

That's fail logic at play

 

Personally I think there is guaranteed scum in between Pray and Yates. Yates looks slimier to me because he hasn't looked good in a WHILE (basically all game) whereas Pray recently started towntelling

 

Do you think Slender viewed Pray as scum, or Arsis as town? Or a third option?

[Darthe]

My argument is that Arsis is likely scum (more so than Yates) and that if he is he is going to be a lot easier to pick apart for info than yates or tommy.

 

Also, I am very sleep and used the word spew wrong. Meant to say that Manbat looks town and prob is and so is the only nonclaimed Id not put on the table today.

 

Goodnicht

[hazelkrs1]

I'm gonna go do my own Slender spew hunt and look at Pray's case on Yates

[hazelkrs1]

My argument is that Arsis is likely scum (more so than Yates) and that if he is he is going to be a lot easier to pick apart for info than yates or tommy.

 

Also, I am very sleep and used the word spew wrong. Meant to say that Manbat looks town and prob is and so is the only nonclaimed Id not put on the table today.

 

Goodnicht

 

Why is Arsis more likely scum than Yates?

[Darthe]

Final thing. Ive read arsis as scum.y and disingenuous in tone most of this game and Yates as earnest. My point about him sounding worse as town was honest, he doesnt censor his posts as much as town so naturally they look less polished. Are easier to disagree with etc.

 

Doesnt make yates scummy and I have yet to really see him as such sans one or two posts that caught me off guard through. The thread and a bit overdone protections etc here and there. I think thats a lot weaker excuse for a lynch than we have for several other players.

[csarmi]

My Halleh wanna lynch Pral. I don't disagree but I have no grasp on Pral this game.

 

I don't believe Darthe is doc.

[hazelkrs1]

Darthe your defense for Yates not being scum here is basically 1. Tone and 2. Meta and yet you think that makes everything else I've pointed out against him less likely to make him scum even tho you likely haven't read all that stuff, you're just going off of the random posts you HAVE noticed here or there when you've been around

 

That's why I say I don't really trust your handle on the thread

[hazelkrs1]

My Halleh wanna lynch Pral. I don't disagree but I have no grasp on Pral this game.

 

I don't believe Darthe is doc.

Any reason why?

[csarmi]

@Des we know Slendy was town. We know he watched the game from a cop perspective all game. We know he had at least one extra info on us (either an in no or a scum view somewhere). We know he's a top tier player and made sense the whole game.

 

Following his reads makes a lot of sense.

[csarmi]

Darthe why you give no flavour?

[csarmi]

No matching fake claim for your fake role? Pity.

[csarmi]

 

My Halleh wanna lynch Pral. I don't disagree but I have no grasp on Pral this game.

 

I don't believe Darthe is doc.

Any reason why?

Yes.

Scum read.

Mechanical reasons.

Claim style.

 

All true. Pick one.

[csarmi]

Mechanical = setup reason.

[hazelkrs1]

My Slender analysis for hopefully finding the view he may have left us (don't feel confident I found it btw):

 

 

 

Krak you're implying my read on Vos was incorrect when it actually was correct and you even admit this wrt to your own read on him.

 

Much more likely that you've simply been White Knighting him.

 

 

I feel like when that last post is compared with Krak's earlier ones, it's revealed that he just had to think of some reasoning here retrospectively and came up with that now but never any sooner.

 

These were the last two posts from Slender before N1 ended (casting aspersion Krak's way)

 

The other game got AIDS, need to focus on that so my presence will be minimal until ~tomorrow evening (cause I might not have time even for the OTHER game today).

 

Initial thoughts are: feels to me like Scum wants to see a Krak-lynch happening.

 

Pralaya has been wayyyy forgotten about, in comparison.

 

If too many of the people under suspicion yesterday can be PoEd as Town, that probably means that we have a DEEP WOLF.

 

And here's his first post after D2 started. Bolded makes it seem like Slender has switched his stance on Krak

 

At first when I saw this I got excited cause I noticed something Tommy didn't, however later posts conflict with my "Slender viewed Krak" theory

 

[v]Pralaya[/v]

 

^ his first vote on D2

 

Thanks.

 

Okay Arsis can be TOWN for this Phase. Tbqh I'm dead tired, weekend didn't go like it was SUPPOSED to go at all (good thing real life-wise, bad thing mafia-wise), but I think I'm actually fairly confident about this.

 

Anyone remember what this means wrt the Tallies, off the top of your head? If Arsis and Vos both were non-Mafia, the wagon that got the least attention is the likeliest to have been correct, if even that?

 

If Arsis is Town I remember manbat's voting behaviour atleast is completely null.

 

Bolded def make it seem extremely plausible that Slender viewed Arsis. Slender isn't just saying he maybe thinks Arsis is town, he's throwing out conjecture on the assumption that Arsis IS town and is encouraging others to do the same

 

Also there's the fact that he put TOWN in all caps the first time, and capitalized it at the end, but eh after looking through Slender randomly capitalized words a lot and even after trying to spell em out and look at em, I'm not sure if he was actually trying to leave a message for town if he died or not

 

...

 

Yeah if there's a claim it ain't showing in the filter, atleast.

 

GOOD.

 

[vote]Pralaya[/vote]

 

Any real reason I'm missing that says Pral isn't Suspect and shouldn't be Lynched here?

 

More of Slender coming back to Pray

 

Tbqh I seriously doubt now that Slender viewed Pray as scum and the reason is the way Slender was waffling on Pray due to the possible PR hints Pray might have been leaving. Had he viewed Pray as scum I don't think any PR hints would have given him pause at all, he would have just said "Oh well it's prob scum trying to breadcrumb a fake claim"

 

WHELP definitely won't have time for all these pages.

 

If Pral isn't the leading wagon right now, someone should TL;DR me the why behind it.

 

Comes back to it again

 

Well Turi and Krak probably ARE the second- and third-best alternatives, if Arsis' post just now is true.

 

This post here made me doubt somewhat that Slender viewed Krak as town

 

Alllso if Krak never explained his Mafia-lean on Yates but did get wordy on every single OTHER Mafia-entry on that list (the ones that are blank were in the Thread IIRC), that's also a weird entry.

 

As is the one on SP. SP is a setup Lynch, that makes him KNOW he is Town here. Setup should be null-indicative if it happens every game, LEADING to gamesolving based on it. So that read's actually White Knighting.

 

This one as well

 

[/unvote]

 

[v]Turin Turambar[/v]

 

Still want to see a Confrontation with Pralaya in the near future. But it might be better for this Day Phase to not be the Conclusion.

 

Leaving my Vote on Turin cause it's gonna be Dead once I'm not around anymore, and if Krak has more Votes currently then switches (if deemed necessary) become more plausible.

 

Also I agree with what Tom said in #3237 but I actually realized that the TSB-read is perfectly in line with the philosophy busy!Turin just gave us -- he wanted to give us a 'binary'-list of reads, so that DOES explain the Krak-bit.

 

The binary-list is odd in itself though, and also Yates/SP are reads that bug me out of that Whole; Turin should still give us More Words on why he felt the need to elaborate on every read BUT Yates and why SP is automatic Town if a setup-Lynch when being a setup-Lynch is actually something that's expected to happen EVERY game, making it a nulltell until further analysis.

 

The bolded still makes it seem possible Slender viewed Pray as scum, especially the capitalized "Confrontation" part. But again, more random capitalized words throughout the post

 

Don't feel really super confident about anything right now.

 

Might be the sickness, though -- real life's gotten me seriously Swamped and I'm considering having to ask for a replacement in all the games I'm in currently. Will make that decision tomorrow after I've gotten some Rest.

 

Arsis still sounds Town-like to me. Lots of little against-the-flow -things that don't fit the impression I got off him in the early game.

The Healer-gambit by Halligeddon was Silly but they're still among the slots I'm most comfortable taking off the suspect pool. Csarmi's Like This as Town if I've profiled him correctly, and I've seen Hallia flip Scum several times and pretty much since this Round started she hasn't seemed Similar.

Tomstress is a slot I'd still like to imagine as Town but I'm starting to see more worlds where it's actually Scum.

Darthe has been underwhelming -- not just the postcount, but the content somehow as well. I haven't been able to follow it as well as I feel I've been able to in some earlier Rounds where he's been Town -- though I can't say that I'd have gotten an expert handle on it ever.

I'm very glad TGlems replaced TSB -- seems like an awesome guy and probably will contribute enough to allow people to read him correctly. Null so far, but that should probably change soon for all of us.

Dice -- plausible Scum. Slightly pinged me when I read the last few pages, seemed kind of cautious to me.

Pral -- I want an open confrontation with him and a lot of Attention on him. Don't want anyone getting free passes just because they've been implying they COULD be a PR when as Mafia the group would be likely to realize Pral is among the likely D2-lynches based on the D1. Tbqh I didn't read his compilation on Yates just now because I physically couldn't. The thing giving me the most second-thoughts about him is actually the Suspect Pool he's arrived to.

Yates -- maybe the Player around whom the most things revolve right now. Could see going either way and I'm not able to articulate any more coherent thoughts in my current state.

Krak -- not as well connected as Yates but other than that very similar thoughts (or a lack of them, to be more precise) -- could see going either way. What Tommy said about the 'wagonomics' yesterday is true and I remember seeing some Town-leaning posts when I was around yesterday, maybe Town gun-to-my-head but DEFINITELY still in the Suspect Pool.

Despot -- well okay I don't really feel like tinfoiling on him, almost at all. Should probably make a compilation of all the people he's pushed, at some point.

 

I realized while writing that that... the whole GAME has actually been full of consensus-y reads. Like, two 'camps' of people and that's about it... Actually makes it easier for Scum to blend in? Need some red fliiiiiiiiips.

 

Manbat gets a Scumread by virtue of me having forgotten he's in this game when compiling this post. Pressure, please.

 

Bolded are the three possible people Slender viewed imo. The way he talks about Krak seriously makes me doubt he was the N1 viewing, unless Slender started tinfoiling that Krak was GF or something (possible but unlikely). The blurb about Slender's early game impression of Arsis could def be him hinting at his viewing there. More randomly capitalized words in the Pray part ("Attention") but the way he explains the read makes me think that's exactly what it is- a read, and not a viewing

 

 

So, generally I agree with Tommy that Arsis was prob his likely viewing. Thought for a bit it might have been Krak (as town), but I kinda doubt it now. Also think Pray was just a suspect for him, not an actual scum viewing.

[hazelkrs1]

@Des we know Slendy was town. We know he watched the game from a cop perspective all game. We know he had at least one extra info on us (either an in no or a scum view somewhere). We know he's a top tier player and made sense the whole game.

 

Yeah all that and he could still be WRONG about Pray. Which would leave us in kind of a bad state if that turned out to be the case but we lynched Pray anyways.

 

 

 

My Halleh wanna lynch Pral. I don't disagree but I have no grasp on Pral this game.

 

I don't believe Darthe is doc.

Any reason why?

Yes.

Scum read.

Mechanical reasons.

Claim style.

 

All true. Pick one.

 

 

Explain the scum read better then please. Not because I disagree, just if it seems more likely then I'll at least have more in mind if we decide to lynch him tomorrow or something.

[csarmi]

Des pls tell me you learnt from the HHGG game and tracked Darthe again.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay just read Pray's case on Yates and found it not bad, and also reviewed his iso while I was at it

 

Overall, I'm thinking town right now. His progression looks natural and he seems to follow up on his reads fairly well, for someone who was fairly inactive at first. Part of this read might be because I agree with him about Yates, but I also feel he responded when he COULD respond to people in ways that didn't really look bad for him in hindsight.

 

PLUS, I'm thinking there's a decent chance here he might CC Darthe's Doc claim. He def did seem to PR hint with that "I'm town. That's all I can say for now" post. If he does, this game gets a WHOLE lot easier. Darthe and Yates would be confirmed scum pretty much, and really just about everything in the POE would look clearer.

[hazelkrs1]

Des pls tell me you learnt from the HHGG game and tracked Darthe again.

 

Nope. Cory told me deadline was sooner than it really was so it made me panic and target Dice. I still prob wouldn't have Tracked Darthe had I not been rushed anyways- my info on him would have still been valid and I could have held onto it longer and tried catching him in a slip later if need be but Tracking whoever submitted the NK would have been glorious. Darthe didn't submit NK N1 if he was scum so figured they might have more of a utr scummer submitting it

[hazelkrs1]

So I reviewed the Monstrmanbat iso and Pray iso and both look decently townish to me. Wanna review the Arsis iso and mebbe Krak iso tonight, Krak one will be quick, and if I still have time after catching up in a bunch of other games I might do a full on Yates iso-case

[csarmi]

Meh.

 

Despo, I gotta say that the tracker role is utterly wasted on you.

 

I could list three better tracks than Dice from the top of my head:

 

Pral (softclaim)

Darthe (cause you know he is roles)

Halligeddon (multiple claims)

 

Hell, Tommy even.

 

I'm just *head desk*

[hazelkrs1]

I blurted out Dice because I literally thought I had one minute to submit

 

You're such a jerk Csarmi

[Pralaya]

Well, yeah, the cop flip of Slender does look bad on me. So, I can understand where the votes are coming from. But, I am town. That's about as much I can say about that.

 

However, that kinda clears Arsis for now, though, as Des and Tommy pointed out.

[Pralaya]

Time for me to continue this below average game.

Claim time~

Mason. Dice and I. 

Yeah, I don't buy this. Looked at SP's posts on D1 and saw this reads list.

 

Slender why Nervositee?

--

 

 

3. TomStress [Tommyrod / Songstress] - Currently leaning Town on Tom, nothing scummy to be seen from his so far in my opinion.

4. Andrej - Leaning more likely town than scum on AJ, he's not playing like Lylo in DBZ or how he played that game at all really.

5. Arsis - Leaning null on Arsis a lot of his posts feel lacking in substance and as if they're just there. 

6. SickPuppets - Town

7. Krakalakachkn - Haven't seen any posts by him. Null.

8. manbat - Monstr, I'll be able to tell if he's town for sure if not whenever the first scum flips. 

9. Body Burner nervositee - Null, I've seen one post by him

10. Darthe - Same for Darthe, little to nothing to work with

11. Torrey_Smith's_Brother - He's dissapeared from the thread after being pushed by TG. I'd say that makes Swag more likely town than scum. Scum Swag's more likely to be quite a bit more active. 

12. TI [Turin Turambar / Ithillian] - Slight scum lean. A lot of their posts I haven't liked or felt one hundred percent about.

13. Pralaya - Haven't seen anything by, currently being pushed.

14. TheSlenderMan - Minor town lean at the moment, he's not being worthless and some of his posts are good. 

15. dicetosser1 - Null, I've seen two posts by him. 

16. GleMeri [TGlems / Meridian] - I don't believe Meridian has posted but TG I am currently null on

17. Despothera - Leaning town on Des this game, he's being quite a bit more casual than usual yet still trying. I think Scum!Despot would be a lot more likely to be cautious rather than laid back

That makes absolutely no sense if they were masons. Why would he call him null? Irespective of how much dice posts, he knows he is town. Not only that, other than this, SP doesn't talk about Dice at all till D2. Dice does defend SP in a couple of posts but all in late D1 or afterwards. No hints early D1, which makes me suspect this is just a gambit by them.

 

[v]SickPuppets[/v]

[Pralaya]

And Des, no, I am not a doc.

[hazelkrs1]

Pray are you Doc? Was that a legit PR hint earlier?