[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Cory Caboose]

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[Tommyrod]

I don't think I want to CFD onto Yates today because I want resolution from the Turin/Krak mess but I want it to be known that I call SHENANIGANS on the way Yates has pushed me and if I die you should feel free to get @ him.

[TheSlenderMan]

Well Yates' bit about bizarro-logic is one I've used BUT WHICH HAS FAILED IN SEVERAL ROUNDS IN A ROW so that's understandable imo but not great.

 

Tommy's progression on Pral seemed pretty good D1, the posts also caught my attention Tom just got to be vocal about it first. But Tommy apparently not wanting to see Pral really flip does give me some tinfoils.

 

Yates asking about people's reasoning behind the Town!Tom-read is another thing that I can perfectly understand from the viewpoint of my Modus Operandi.

 

The chain of posts just now was mostly about the bizarro-logic; while I'd like to say that's weird, it's something I remember having done as Town because I Believed I've legit found something that is 'easy' and 'solves' the game.

 

The point about 'storytelling' rather than 'scumhunting' I could see going either way -- depends on Yates' personality and I don't really have a grasp on that?

[TheSlenderMan]

Turin/Krak -mess? Is that an interaction between them, or about the point I raised the last time I was posting?

[monstrman]

[unvote]

[V] krak [/v]

[Tommyrod]

Well Yates' bit about bizarro-logic is one I've used BUT WHICH HAS FAILED IN SEVERAL ROUNDS IN A ROW so that's understandable imo but not great.

 

Tommy's progression on Pral seemed pretty good D1, the posts also caught my attention Tom just got to be vocal about it first. But Tommy apparently not wanting to see Pral really flip does give me some tinfoils.

 

Yates asking about people's reasoning behind the Town!Tom-read is another thing that I can perfectly understand from the viewpoint of my Modus Operandi.

 

The chain of posts just now was mostly about the bizarro-logic; while I'd like to say that's weird, it's something I remember having done as Town because I Believed I've legit found something that is 'easy' and 'solves' the game.

 

The point about 'storytelling' rather than 'scumhunting' I could see going either way -- depends on Yates' personality and I don't really have a grasp on that?

I think Pral has cop equity and might have viewed me as town N1. That's the primary reason I don't think he's the best lynch. He's had some ~okay sounding posts for him in the past 36 hours as well.

 

Turin/Krak -mess? Is that an interaction between them, or about the point I raised the last time I was posting?

Turin is the mess. Krak is just lumped in because he's the current counter-wagon. A Krak flip gives me a little more info on Yates. Lemme see what Krak has actually said in this game, I've forgotten.

[dicetosser1]

 

Ok maybe its cause this is a new thing for me but when people start going digging in other games for evidence of what so and so did there and how it correlates here, it has the opposite effect then desired on me. It makes me suspect the person going to all that effort and feeling better to the person who is being talked about.

 

I think its cause it seems like someone, tommy in this case for eg has gone to SO MUCH extra effort that it makes me sus on them a bit. When its someone like Tommy I put my shiny silver hat on cause im already sus on him. Always am. Same with des.

 

Why does this not surprise me at all?

 

 

and here i thought you said you couldn't predict me....

[TheSlenderMan]

Meh, random searching of the Thread actually showed me a quote from Pral which makes me see the PR-thing. Weird.

 

So I guess that has to wait for another day, then.

 

I'd prefer going Turin before Krak, based on Skimming. If Krak has made some damning posts in the last ~20ish pages I ain't seen them though.

[dicetosser1]

Ithis stuff has me putting her as rl flustered town. There were flashes there of Town Ithi posting. I think tommy also had a good point about how there was no competition to the wagon.

 

the flustered comes from my own personal knowledge of Ithi.

 

 

Im happy to vote Krak

[Tommyrod]

Krak at EOD1 (Part 1):
 

 

 

 

Alright, 5 days in and feeling human again.  I hope to be with ya'll shortly.

 

 

You're right, I should have.  Didn't think it would last this long.  That's my bad.

 

 

Damn, 13 pages in and Des is town telling like a Mofo.  

 

 

That's the Des I like to see.

 

 

How close is deadline?

 

 

 

 

#1196 is nerv -- http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91064-standard-cory-vs-bad-dietary-habits-laziness-mafia-day-1/?p=3338548

 

#1213 is the start of me-manbat -- http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91064-standard-cory-vs-bad-dietary-habits-laziness-mafia-day-1/?p=3338566

 

The gap was longer than I thought so I'm giving them separately.

 

I also remember thinking at some point that there is someone among the Lynch candidates (Prala IIRC) who is prooobably not knowingly-co-aligned with Arsis.

 

 

FWIW in my experience Vos scum telling is a town tell.

 

 

 

Every time I've gone after you for being scum you've flipped town.  You're like my antisoulread.

 

 

So you're going to respond to my post and use it to more or less defend Hallia and then tell me I'm posting nonsense?

 

 

^ at Arsis

 

 

Did Turin ever respond to Des' post here?

 

 

 

I think TI/Vos counterwagons would be exhilarating

 

Did he ever respond to that post you made back on page 21?

 

 

 

I'm gonna stand by my earlier comment about Vos.

 

[v]Turillian[/v]

 

 

 

[Tommyrod]

Krak at EOD1 (Part 2):
 

 

 

Tom

 

What's got you on Pral now?

 

 

Vos' latest post pretty much confirmed my earlier gut read.  I just don't see him being scum. 

 

 

Despo did a good case on Turillian and that's where I'm leaving my vote.  Ithi's disinterest is telling imo.

 

 

Usually Tom switching votes with little reason so close to deadline doesn't bother me, but trying for a CFD on Pral without dropping a solid reason right away doesn't sit well with me right now. 

 

 

 

 

Usually Tom switching votes with little reason so close to deadline doesn't bother me, but trying for a CFD on Pral without dropping a solid reason right away doesn't sit well with me right now.

I take extra offense to this because my starting a CFD doesn't make sense for a scum play with 3 nearly-tied wagons to choose from. Unless you're gonna say they're all scum with me?

 

 

It sticks with your meta, but I just don't see a CFD on Pral flying here, especially with the way everyone is dithering and by not offering a solid reason to CFD with that post, regardless of whether or not you've commented on him in the past.  Maybe it's not a wolf play, but it's a bad play imo.

 

 

 

[v]unvote vote Salami[/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Usually Tom switching votes with little reason so close to deadline doesn't bother me, but trying for a CFD on Pral without dropping a solid reason right away doesn't sit well with me right now.

I take extra offense to this because my starting a CFD doesn't make sense for a scum play with 3 nearly-tied wagons to choose from. Unless you're gonna say they're all scum with me?

 

 
 
It sticks with your meta, but I just don't see a CFD on Pral flying here, especially with the way everyone is dithering and by not offering a solid reason to CFD with that post, regardless of whether or not you've commented on him in the past.  Maybe it's not a wolf play, but it's a bad play imo.

 

I actually did provide reasoning. A lot of it.

 

 

Yeah, after the fact.  When I asked you.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, after the fact.  When I asked you.

So you're upset that I was able to provide detailed reasoning for being suspicious of someone in just a few minutes after being asked?

That makes sense.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, after the fact.  When I asked you.

So you're upset that I was able to provide detailed reasoning for being suspicious of someone in just a few minutes after being asked?

That makes sense.

 

Ugh did you even read my post?

 

 

 

 

 

[v]unvote vote Salami[/v]

 

U mad?

 

 

Sorry man, I'm with Darthe on this one.

 

That was a claim from salami?  WTF

 

 

Your claim completely blew by me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Usually Tom switching votes with little reason so close to deadline doesn't bother me, but trying for a CFD on Pral without dropping a solid reason right away doesn't sit well with me right now.

I take extra offense to this because my starting a CFD doesn't make sense for a scum play with 3 nearly-tied wagons to choose from. Unless you're gonna say they're all scum with me?

 

 

It sticks with your meta, but I just don't see a CFD on Pral flying here, especially with the way everyone is dithering and by not offering a solid reason to CFD with that post, regardless of whether or not you've commented on him in the past.  Maybe it's not a wolf play, but it's a bad play imo.

 

 

 

 

[Tommyrod]

Then there's some chatter N1.

Krak during N1:
 

 

 

 

 

Who wants to guess who dies on N1

  

No. Not a good look right now.

 

@Yates, my guess would be bias. AJ stated he already had Tommy and Despo as town so attributes their votes as being on a town mindset. He had me as mafia so my action gets treated differently.

I don't think there's any way for me to say this without it sounding snarky so I'm just going to say it and ask you to take it at face value:That question was directed specifically at AJ. I'd really like for AJ to answer first before anyone else weighs in on what HIS motivation might be.Know what I mean? Now if he says the same thing as you I don't know if it's coming from him or if it influenced by what you just said.So while I mean that about this question specifically, I would also encourage you [the collective you ALL] to consider this before answering a question aimed at another person in the game [unless it's something innocuous that can be fact checked - like "when did that happen?"].

Yeah that was kinda wolfy from Turin. Even if he thought it was kinda 'duh,' answering for other players denies that player the chance to give a 100% uninflected response, it creates the question you brought up, and it has the potential to reflect well or bad on the person who sniped the response when they shouldn't have had anything to do with it.

 

 

 

 

 

Krak EOD
His EOD really has to start at 2:02 PM [6 hours until deadline] with this post:

How close is deadline?

Go look at his ISO prior to this post. There is NOTHING game related other than "That's the Des I like to see." Which was MARGINALLY game related. Everything else is commenting on something outside the game, saying he is catching up, or saying he has food poisoning. [Which sucks, btw. My mom poisoned 1/2 our family one Christmas Eve! Hope you feel better.]
His next post was 1 1/2 hours later when he responds to Slendy's Vos case with "FWIW in my experience Vos scum telling is a town tell."
I'm trying figure out if this as alignment indicative as AJ seems to indicate in his game summary. Ultimately, I think it would be conf bias to assume this was a distancing post - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was one either. Also, 5 1/2 hours to deadline and still no vote.Post 1517 is the first place I see Krak taking a stand on someone - IT - and presumably lead to his vote of the IT slot in post 540. This was the official VC at the time:

Official Vote Count:
Arsis (5) – manbat , dice, Pral, Darthe, Halligeddon
TI (2) – GleMeri, Arsis
SickPuppets (1) - Yates
Nervositee (5) - Des, Tomstress, TheSlenderMan, AJ, TI
Not Voting (4): everyone elseWith 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!Deadline: Thursday, 9pm EST.

He could have jumped on Arsis or he could have jumped on Vos - both had 5 votes at the time. I'd really need to hear from Krak about what was going on in his head at this point but in retrospect this doesn't look great. If Krak is scum, he was pretty clearly trying to NOT be the momentum vote on what would have likely been a Town mislynch. To his credit, he was on record as kind of sort of leaning towards Vos!Town if you want to read in to his Vos defense post. And he did reconfirm this in thread in post 1763 at about 20 minutes to deadline. At least he was consistent? I never saw him clear Arsis, though. So I'm not sure what was up there.
This is Krak's Towniest post of the game:

Usually Tom switching votes with little reason so close to deadline doesn't bother me, but trying for a CFD on Pral without dropping a solid reason right away doesn't sit well with me right now.

It's irrelevant whether I agree with the conclusion or not but I can at least see this coming from a Town frame of mind. I'd also have to look back and see [not likely to happen] or simply ask the thread if you guys remember Krak being willing to stick his neck out as scum and attack a consensus Town leader like he did with Tommy here. Anybody?
Krak's backing down in this spoilered post pretty much negates any of the Town points he earned with me above, though.

 

 

Usually Tom switching votes with little reason so close to deadline doesn't bother me, but trying for a CFD on Pral without dropping a solid reason right away doesn't sit well with me right now.

I take extra offense to this because my starting a CFD doesn't make sense for a scum play with 3 nearly-tied wagons to choose from. Unless you're gonna say they're all scum with me?

It sticks with your meta, but I just don't see a CFD on Pral flying here, especially with the way everyone is dithering and by not offering a solid reason to CFD with that post, regardless of whether or not you've commented on him in the past. Maybe it's not a wolf play, but it's a bad play imo.

He drops his vote on IT at 9:00 PM on the nose in post 1843. I am generally leery of people that ignore the thread for the entire game day only to show up an hour or less before lynch just to drop a vote. We had DAYS of activity where he literally contributed nothing of game related value. This certainly colors my perception on potential motivation during EOD.
There's no smoking gun but I'm not feeling great about Krak Town. I'd love to see him come in here happy, healthy, and with a bit of WiM and Town tell like a boss. He is capable of some excellent play and analysis. I just don't see that happening and it's ultimately going to lead to his lynch.

I said the same exact thing at the time. I didn't like it at all.

In response to the show in up at EoD, well no ones gonna like it, but that's just how it worked out. I was reading up and figured I'd ask to see how mich time to deadline. That got me involved during my reread although I didn't feel I had a good grasp on who I should have been voting for until the end there.


I stuck my neck out for Vos because I thought I had a good read on his meta. Turns out I was partly off, but still I know exactly why Slender thought Vos was scum because he's hard to read as town for the most part. The second option was Arsis but he seemed to be trying to pick a fight with me for reasons I couldn't comprehend all while he was the leading train. I think he was town telling there - that's a pretty bold move as scum and the way he is keepin at me makes sense imo. Turillian's whole miller debate was foolish and looked like scum caught in a bush - Turin having to backtrack and act like he was playing along with Ithi. Des made a good case catching them in a blatant misrep and that was enough for my vote.

 

 

 

 

Kinda wondering if Krak's plan is to push me and then night kill me and get clear because mafia wouldn't bother pushing me or something dorky like that.

Your night chatter isn't helping town. If you're alive tomorrow and think I'm scum, use your vote. Otherwise quit throwing these kind of ideas onto the thread.

 

 

 

 

Krak you're implying my read on Vos was incorrect when it actually was correct and you even admit this wrt to your own read on him.
 
Much more likely that you've simply been White Knighting him.

What I said was I thought you were wrong because I knew exactly where you were coming from regarding his meta. And yeah, you were more right than I was.

 

 

 

 

i say heal him.
 
SP that LD line was him being a smartaft.
 
darthes read list has me happy to put him into town list. I found tommys explanation of how to tell he is town or not really hit a cord and made perfect sense.
 
i agree with yates that poison seems like a SK weapon to me.

Who are your top 3 for sum right now?




Gonna be sporadic for a bit since I'm posting from work on a Game Day. But for now [v]Turillian[/v]

 

 

 

DM is FROZEN

 

 

 

And that's it. Hasn't posted since.

Thoughts? Stuff that's good, stuff that's bad?

[TheSlenderMan]

 

My reads at present:

 

CS/Hallia are town.

Yates is mafia. This is a lean.

AJ is mafia. I think he is trying to help arsis stay away from the lead with his recent vote jumps. Why the Darthe vote?

Arsis is mafia. Agree with slender and Darthe about their thoughts.

SP is town. I think he is a setup lynch.

Krak is town. Really null and needs to post more.

Manbat is town. This is a lean. I have no bad comments for him.

Vos is mafia. Really didn't like that post.

Darthe is town. Same as manbat.

Tsb is town. Null actually. He needs to get back in the game. He knows about it so play.

TI is town.

Pralaya is town. This is a lean. He needs to get caught up or some semblance thereof.

Slender is town. I feel good about what he has said so far.

Dice is town. This is also a lean but fairly solid.

TG/Meri is mafia. I gave my reason already.

Despo is mafia.

TomTress is mafia. This is a lean. Tress made an odd comment in her read on us. Something like wanting us to spend more time on something other than TG. I don't see how that post comes from a townie that thinks I'm mafia.

 

Anyway there you go. I need to get started to.my day. May not be around at dl.

 

[unvote]

[V] Arsis[/v]

 

Willing to switch back to any of my other mafia reads to consolidate.

Wtf is that bolded and underlined.

 

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Unofficial VC:

Krakalakachkn (4) - Tomstress, Arsis, TI, Darthe
TI (2) - Krakalakachkn, GleMeri
Tomstress (2) - Yates, Halligeddon
Darthe (2) - Pralaya, Despothera
Pralaya (1) - TheSlenderMan
TSB (1) - manbat

 

Not Voting (3): Dice, TSB, SickPuppets

 

WTF happened here? lol

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

 

 

I'd still be down for a Yates CFD. Darthe going quiet once I started shifting focus to him tho is telling

3/3/3 screw it why not. Let's see what happens.


[unvote] [v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

[unvote]
[V] krak [/v]

 

 

Ithis stuff has me putting her as rl flustered town. There were flashes there of Town Ithi posting. I think tommy also had a good point about how there was no competition to the wagon.

 

the flustered comes from my own personal knowledge of Ithi.

 

 

Im happy to vote Krak

 

 

 

Unofficial VC:

Krakalakachkn (4) - TI, Darthe, manbat, Dice
TI (3) - Krakalakachkn, GleMeri, Tomstress
Darthe (3) - Pralaya, Despothera, Arsis
Tomstress (2) - Yates, Halligeddon
Pralaya (1) - TheSlenderMan

Not Voting (2): TSB, SickPuppets

[Tommyrod]

Is Krak a bussy scum? If so, he might have just been busing Turin from the start.

Because that underlined portion you just quoted looks a LOT like scum who decided to change the blurb about his scumbro from:

 

Krak is null. Really null and needs to post more.

To

Krak is town. Really null and needs to post more.

 

And forgot to fix the terminating sentence.

[Arsis]

[unvote] [v]krak[/v]

 

 

It's Def krak/turi so let's do this.

[TheSlenderMan]

Mostly those posts by Krak all are 'meh' more than anything.

 

I kind of find something Town-like in the way he seems to be putting emphasis on HIS thought process, voicing that and explaining things with that.

 

But the rest is all meh or somewhat pingy.

[Tommyrod]

If it comes down to my vote between Krak and Turin I'm most likely voting Turin. I see some posts by Krak that I'm not sure he makes as scum, I have no idea what his scum game is like though. Can anyone assist here?

Slender are you at a computer? I want you to look at something for me but you'll need to search for it.

[TheSlenderMan]

Alllso if Krak never explained his Mafia-lean on Yates but did get wordy on every single OTHER Mafia-entry on that list (the ones that are blank were in the Thread IIRC), that's also a weird entry.

 

As is the one on SP. SP is a setup Lynch, that makes him KNOW he is Town here. Setup should be null-indicative if it happens every game, LEADING to gamesolving based on it. So that read's actually White Knighting.

[TheSlenderMan]

Yeah I can Search.

[Turin Turambar]

Tommy, and slender. Everyone on that list is a definite statement on town or mafia. People should know thatbis how I.now make my first or second list of a game and why. A statement, then thoughts.

 

I find it odd that Despo has resisted the krak wagon.

[TheSlenderMan]

*if TURIN never explained.

[TheSlenderMan]

Turin some more words are going to be needed.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Best protein bar ever made. Amazing flavor, best macros and doesn't kill your stomach like other cheaper bars do.

 

 

Quest bar is tasty, agreed.  I'm a big fan of the chocolate mint cliff protein bar.

 

 

White chocolate macadamia myself.  The coconut chocolate ain't bad neither.

 

 

 

My reads at present:

 

CS/Hallia are town.

Yates is mafia. This is a lean.

AJ is mafia. I think he is trying to help arsis stay away from the lead with his recent vote jumps. Why the Darthe vote?

Arsis is mafia. Agree with slender and Darthe about their thoughts.

SP is town. I think he is a setup lynch.

Krak is town. Really null and needs to post more.

Manbat is town. This is a lean. I have no bad comments for him.

Vos is mafia. Really didn't like that post.

Darthe is town. Same as manbat.

Tsb is town. Null actually. He needs to get back in the game. He knows about it so play.

TI is town.

Pralaya is town. This is a lean. He needs to get caught up or some semblance thereof.

Slender is town. I feel good about what he has said so far.

Dice is town. This is also a lean but fairly solid.

TG/Meri is mafia. I gave my reason already.

Despo is mafia.

TomTress is mafia. This is a lean. Tress made an odd comment in her read on us. Something like wanting us to spend more time on something other than TG. I don't see how that post comes from a townie that thinks I'm mafia.

 

Anyway there you go. I need to get started to.my day. May not be around at dl.

 

[unvote]

[V] Arsis[/v]

 

Willing to switch back to any of my other mafia reads to consolidate.

 

 

Alright, 5 days in and feeling human again.  I hope to be with ya'll shortly.

 

 

 

 

Krak only had ONE post before Turin called him town. ONE. His next post came AFTER that reads list by Turin.

[Tommyrod]

Tommy, and slender. Everyone on that list is a definite statement on town or mafia. People should know thatbis how I.now make my first or second list of a game and why. A statement, then thoughts.

 

I find it odd that Despo has resisted the krak wagon.

How did you even get a TOWN read on Krak for ONE off-topic post?

 

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