[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Tommyrod]

Monstr might be scum trying to emulate his town game

[Arsis]

Monstr might be scum trying to emulate his town game

His town game is "not be memorable at all"?

[Tommyrod]

 

Monstr might be scum trying to emulate his town game

His town game is "not be memorable at all"?

 

It's to be indecisive and look for people who are exhibiting villager tells in their tone and posting habits. He has trouble finding scum but much more luck finding villagers (except for when he incorrectly clears scum, happens about once per game). The key thing that's lacking here is curiosity for game solving or any kind of anxiety or tension about this game. He showed some of this at EOD1 I believe, but when he doesn't keep it up I get to the worrying.

[Turin Turambar]

 
1. Halligeddon [Hallia / csarmi] Claimed 8 hours of sleep: possibly claiming healer- leaning town on them. Hallia picked up on the TG Dice read after one post. Csarmi is behaving with his expected town mannerisms. Would like to hear more from Hallia. 

2. Yates: Claimed chobani watermelon yogurt- if he isn't town then that has to be a MOD provided fake claim. I like that he is mostly questioning things. I agree with him that Tommy gets cleared too easily in many cases. It actually reminds me of how mafia would nearly auto clear Ithi early and then try to cast a bit of doubt as the game went on. Some of the things he is saying about us is not sitting well ATM. But that may be because we are just a bit sensitive right now. Mixed so I guess null

3. TomStress [Tommyrod / Songstress] - leaning mafia for a few reasons. One i the feeling I get that Tommy is sort of directing traffic and has sort of followed along with others in large parts. He has taken time to find little nuggets but hasn't taken the lead in any of the lynches he has supported. What I mean to say is he may have voted first but didn't really advocate IMO. The thing with Tress was odd also and she hasn't been here too much. 

5. Arsis: not claiming Coffee- Leaning mafia due in part to the TSB thing right at the start of the game. There was something else that I can't remember right now. Currently skewed by recent crass posts and such. Will try to return with more here.

6. SickPuppets: - Leaning town. One thing against in my mind tho is that (s)he  immediately asked slender about his Vos read. I thought Vos' post was so bad that I mentioned it with a phone post when didn't really have that much time. O nly played in one game with him so  still trying to see how he plays. Some of the other newe people in this game read clearer.  

 

7. Krakalakachkn: - MAFIA. gone the entire game until right before EOD. Then the awful vote on us and other EOD weirdness. A substantial part of my Despo mafia read was based on their interaction when Krak entered the thread. It looked like  Despo was mad that Krak was blowing off the game as Despo's teammate. Krak is my top mafia read ATM 

 

8. manbat: - Seems town to me. He hasn't been as vocal as some others but seems to be on point when he does talk. I think he sounds a lot like Wombat in his style.

10. Darthe: - mafia lean. probably second now after Krak based on today. The read on us where he was trying to say that I am sneaky so should be watched (well duh) and that Ithi was absent. Well too bad. This latest thing about the last mafia game is IMO him trying to make something up in the hopes that people will believe it because they won't look at it.  In fact there is more misinformation about that game. I will pull it up in a while. 

11. Torrey_Smith's_Brother:- Corey said he was going to be a "butthole" about activity. What gives here? If e get lynched cn we replace him?  
12. TI [Turin Turambar / Ithillian] Claimed English Breakfast Tea- Did Ithi say our role? I may have missed it. Anyway this is why I was so weirded out by Arsis' seeming to claim coffee. Oh that was the other thing about Yates was how it looked like he was bird dogging for Arsis there wrt the claim. He said he thought it was a soft claim for flavour but didn't know if it would be good or bad. Felt wrong.
13. Pralaya: - leaning town. Hoping he will catch up as the game goes along. I do agree that he can come across wrong in his attempts to take his mafia reads on to mafia lynches. But he does have good reads most of the time. Would liketo hear more from him.

14. TheSlenderMan: - I am reading him as solid town. Asking mostly the right questions. He caught the Vos post immediately. I think he is possibly the most solid town read I have at present.

15. dicetosser1: - mixed/null, gun to head town. 

16. GleMeri [TGlems / Meridian] claimed Dark Chocolate- Miller: I don't believe them. I still think they are mafia. TG has the brass to give this a shot. Meri seemed to struggle some without TG around. She was very much on point in the game Cory mentored her so I'm not seeing why the difficulty here. I don't like how TG pushed at us going all the way to saying we were "lock wolf" but still voting what had to be a lesser read. I also don't like the snap reads but that is just me. I get real nervous when too many of them are right. 

 

17. Despothera:- I think mafia Ithi thinks Town. I will go with her for now. I think he is pushing a bad case and is using bad logic in a few cases. I really didn't like his interaction with Krak when Krak re-entered the game near EOD 1. Also don't like that he had to go right before DL and then came back to say how awful everyone else was. Some of the little emo bombs are worrying to me as well since I am getting the feeling they are for effect and not real. 
 

[Hallia]

Good gracious you guys >< Catching up, did I miss anything good today?

[Hallia]

I was busy battling the sun.  I lost ; . ;

 

 

     

 

[Tommyrod]

3. TomStress [Tommyrod / Songstress] - leaning mafia for a few reasons. One i the feeling I get that Tommy is sort of directing traffic and has sort of followed along with others in large parts. He has taken time to find little nuggets but hasn't taken the lead in any of the lynches he has supported. What I mean to say is he may have voted first but didn't really advocate IMO. The thing with Tress was odd also and she hasn't been here too much.

 

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[Turin Turambar]

This is the player list from that game. TBH I was going to say that Darthe was lying that he got her lynched on Day 6, as it was really day 4 and Darthe died on D1. But then I saw he did replace back in and was alive until after Ithi was lynched. TBH tho the way I remember it is that Leyrann was the one that made the play that got her lynched. He outed himself as Japanese mafia in doing so but yeah. Maybe read that game. It was pretty interesting. I would if I really had time. FYI I knew she was mafia here as well but not which team she was on so I wasn't going to out her. Unfortunately I didn't ascertain her faction until she was lynched.

 

1. Ithi Erwin Rommel, German Godfather, lynched Day 4
2. Turin Vidkun Quisling, Pro-German Symp, killed Night 6
3. RTE
4. Darthe William Joseph Slim, Allied Rubber Tongue, lynched Day 1
5. Falcon Ironeyes Jimmy Doolittle, Allied cop/Doc Backup, lynched Day 3
6. Smiley Andrew Cunningham, Vanilla Ally, killed Night 10
7. Rand Georgy Zhukov, Allied Mason, lynched Day 2
8. Ley J. Robert Oppenheimer, Allied Inventor, killed Night 2
9. Random Omar Bradley, Allied Mason, killed Night 7
10. BG Isoroku Yamamoto, Japanese Godfather, lynched Day 5
11. Maw King George VI, Vanilla Ally, lynched Day 10
12. Tress Walther Model, German Goon, lynched Day 8
13. Kaylee Mineichi Koga, Japanese Roleblocker, lynched Day 7
14. Bard Babe TG Winston Churchill, Allied Cop, killed Night 8
15. lolguy Player TG 2.0 Karl Donitz, German Roleblocker, lynched Day 9
16. Len
17. Womby Franklin Roosevelt, Allied Doctor, killed Night 3
18. Despo Henry Stimson, Vanilla Ally, killed Night 1
19. WoT13 William Halsey, Allied Lie Detector, killed Night 5
20. Starrik Despo 2.0 Sorcha
21. Snowy Ley 2.0 Minoru Genda, Japanese Goon, lynched Day 6
22. Tina Vasily Chuikov, Vanilla Ally, killed Day 2
23. Thorum Darthe 2.0 Vasily Zaytsev, Allied One-shot Day Vig, killed Night 4

[hazelkrs1]

Last spoiler was actually 135 and 136. This one is 137 and 138, not as much stuff

 

 

 

 

Tinfoiling on me for threatening AJ with a vig shot to see if anything would happen is pretty dumb TG

No it isn't. You sound like Sharon Stone's character in Basic Instinct.

 

 

 

Yes it is. It really REALLY is.

 

^^^

 

TG's point against Tommy there WAS legit pretty bad. Was an obvious reaction test, and also well before D1 had even ended so to assume mafia already knew they were killing AJ there is dumb dumb dumb. I agree with Tommy in fact that scum likely killed AJ because of AJ's reaction to Tommy's reaction test- made it look like he might have a PR

 

 

But I'm not going to allow you to waste time discussing me in ANY capacity before several people have been shot before me.

End of discussion.

LOL

He is raising a good point about why he isn't Town reading you. It is perfectly valid and game related. It isn't even like he's making a case on you - just saying why he isn't Town reading you. Why are you so jumpy?

 

 

Yates' opportunistic pushing of Tommy here about a dumb issue continuing to make him look bad

 

@ Yates. I'm in the Orange because Darthe is muddled on us.

You say that's fine.

Then you says it's bad for Darthe to be confused.

I must confess, I'm confused by this.

Also I feel that my inactivity and Turin's inability to hold conversations and wotnot have made us an easy target. We can't really post bazillions like somepeople and we can't answer every point that's made to us. Also every single Turin post always sounds like he's wearing half moon glasses and is arching his fingers. It doesn't help I know. We are Town though.

 

Right when I see Ithi making a town looking post she turns around and makes a mafia looking one. Bold is particularly bad defense. Particularly the way she tries making excuses for Turin.

 

 

Not gonna waste time with you TG. Interrogate someone else.

 

Point is Tommy that you're one of the better players in the game.  Meaning that subtle hints from you and bad logic need to be closely scrutinized.  You don't like that I'm catching the small stuff?  Fine, be a worse player and be obvious scum.  It'll make my job easier.

 

 

TG you didn't point out anything about Tommy that had any value tho. And this post was dumb cause it's just like "Well you should always expect to be tinfoiled on because you're good" even tho Tommy HAS made himself absurdly townie this game and tinfoiling about an obviously townie slot is NOT HELPFUL FOR CATCHING SCUM

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

Blech. Arguments on this page are bleurghy

 

Turin do you still think I'm scum?

I still have doubts about you being town. Some due to my thought that there is someone hiding in the "cleared power townies". You in particular have talked about deep wolves and I think i have mentioned in other games it is my opinion that you like to talk about yourself during the game. When town you hint at your role and when mafia you makes accusations against people using your role or something about it. I also didn't like your handling of Meri when she was talking about the poisoned thing. It looked like you trying to sweep any debate aside and basically try to tell her how she should think. That might be an overstatement but is about what I am thinking there.

 

Ithi thinks you are town so perhaps I am too close here and am deferring to her for the moment. 

[hazelkrs1]

 

1. Halligeddon [Hallia / csarmi] Claimed 8 hours of sleep: possibly claiming healer- leaning town on them. Hallia picked up on the TG Dice read after one post. Csarmi is behaving with his expected town mannerisms. Would like to hear more from Hallia. 

2. Yates: Claimed chobani watermelon yogurt- if he isn't town then that has to be a MOD provided fake claim. I like that he is mostly questioning things. I agree with him that Tommy gets cleared too easily in many cases. It actually reminds me of how mafia would nearly auto clear Ithi early and then try to cast a bit of doubt as the game went on. Some of the things he is saying about us is not sitting well ATM. But that may be because we are just a bit sensitive right now. Mixed so I guess null

3. TomStress [Tommyrod / Songstress] - leaning mafia for a few reasons. One i the feeling I get that Tommy is sort of directing traffic and has sort of followed along with others in large parts. He has taken time to find little nuggets but hasn't taken the lead in any of the lynches he has supported. What I mean to say is he may have voted first but didn't really advocate IMO. The thing with Tress was odd also and she hasn't been here too much. 

 

5. Arsis: not claiming Coffee- Leaning mafia due in part to the TSB thing right at the start of the game. There was something else that I can't remember right now. Currently skewed by recent crass posts and such. Will try to return with more here.

6. SickPuppets: - Leaning town. One thing against in my mind tho is that (s)he  immediately asked slender about his Vos read. I thought Vos' post was so bad that I mentioned it with a phone post when didn't really have that much time. O nly played in one game with him so  still trying to see how he plays. Some of the other newe people in this game read clearer.  

 

7. Krakalakachkn: - MAFIA. gone the entire game until right before EOD. Then the awful vote on us and other EOD weirdness. A substantial part of my Despo mafia read was based on their interaction when Krak entered the thread. It looked like  Despo was mad that Krak was blowing off the game as Despo's teammate. Krak is my top mafia read ATM 

 

8. manbat: - Seems town to me. He hasn't been as vocal as some others but seems to be on point when he does talk. I think he sounds a lot like Wombat in his style.

10. Darthe: - mafia lean. probably second now after Krak based on today. The read on us where he was trying to say that I am sneaky so should be watched (well duh) and that Ithi was absent. Well too bad. This latest thing about the last mafia game is IMO him trying to make something up in the hopes that people will believe it because they won't look at it.  In fact there is more misinformation about that game. I will pull it up in a while. 

11. Torrey_Smith's_Brother:- Corey said he was going to be a "butthole" about activity. What gives here? If e get lynched cn we replace him?  

12. TI [Turin Turambar / Ithillian] Claimed English Breakfast Tea- Did Ithi say our role? I may have missed it. Anyway this is why I was so weirded out by Arsis' seeming to claim coffee. Oh that was the other thing about Yates was how it looked like he was bird dogging for Arsis there wrt the claim. He said he thought it was a soft claim for flavour but didn't know if it would be good or bad. Felt wrong.

13. Pralaya: - leaning town. Hoping he will catch up as the game goes along. I do agree that he can come across wrong in his attempts to take his mafia reads on to mafia lynches. But he does have good reads most of the time. Would liketo hear more from him.

14. TheSlenderMan: - I am reading him as solid town. Asking mostly the right questions. He caught the Vos post immediately. I think he is possibly the most solid town read I have at present.

15. dicetosser1: - mixed/null, gun to head town. 

16. GleMeri [TGlems / Meridian] claimed Dark Chocolate- Miller: I don't believe them. I still think they are mafia. TG has the brass to give this a shot. Meri seemed to struggle some without TG around. She was very much on point in the game Cory mentored her so I'm not seeing why the difficulty here. I don't like how TG pushed at us going all the way to saying we were "lock wolf" but still voting what had to be a lesser read. I also don't like the snap reads but that is just me. I get real nervous when too many of them are right. 

 

17. Despothera:- I think mafia Ithi thinks Town. I will go with her for now. I think he is pushing a bad case and is using bad logic in a few cases. I really didn't like his interaction with Krak when Krak re-entered the game near EOD 1. Also don't like that he had to go right before DL and then came back to say how awful everyone else was. Some of the little emo bombs are worrying to me as well since I am getting the feeling they are for effect and not real. 

 

 

This reads list looks extremely disingenuous to me. Specifically the bolded sections.

 

Yates- Turin isn't even really saying much here at all tho he uses a bunch of words. OF COURSE if Yates is scum then his claim is a fake claim, why make such a useless comment? Rest of the read is way too hedgy, could def be a weak attempt at distancing

Tomstress- Holy bejeezus this read is bad. Tries to point out things that are "odd" but don't make any sense at all- like saying Tommy is leading while also following along. Wut?

Arsis- Ridic that this is the only stuff you could come up with considering you've been pushing Arsis as scum for a looooong time

Krak- The associative read he makes with me here both looks like ditching responsibility for the read AND makes it seem like it could be distancing on his part

Darthe- Doesn't actually say anything that makes Darthe mafia here. Just defends against Darthe's points.

TG- Falling back on old and stale arguments but also "I also don't like the snap reads but that is just me. I get real nervous when too many of them are right." is just :huh: Jackie Chan face worthy

Me- Says he will go with Ithi's town read of me... then proceeds to talk about why he thinks I'm mafia Again pushes the associative thing with me and Krak, which is weak as hell (back it up with quotes dude) and the thing about me "bailing" at EOD when I PLAY AT NIGHT AND OFTEN AM NOT AROUND FOR DAY/EVENING ACTIVITY ANYWAYS is incrediweak, and INCREDIBLY likely to come from scum!Turin as he knows my schedule

[Tommyrod]

Well Turin I don't intend to be mean but I really think your reads, if real, are pretty bad and based on some of the weirdest theories I've ever seen from a mafia player (or even contradictory statements like your read on me) and I can't relate to your thought processes or your play so far. I'm guessing you flip scum in this game. I don't think you're ABSOLUTELY scum but I've been trying to get more out of both of you for hours now with little to show for it and am consistently underwhelmed by what you do share. I'll be curious to see your flip.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Blech. Arguments on this page are bleurghy

 

Turin do you still think I'm scum?

I still have doubts about you being town. Some due to my thought that there is someone hiding in the "cleared power townies". You in particular have talked about deep wolves and I think i have mentioned in other games it is my opinion that you like to talk about yourself during the game. When town you hint at your role and when mafia you makes accusations against people using your role or something about it. I also didn't like your handling of Meri when she was talking about the poisoned thing. It looked like you trying to sweep any debate aside and basically try to tell her how she should think. That might be an overstatement but is about what I am thinking there.

 

Ithi thinks you are town so perhaps I am too close here and am deferring to her for the moment. 

 

 

This mostly just looks like a narrative to justify your terrible read of me all game.

 

Also your meta stuff on me is lolbad. When town I NEVER hint at my role, and COME DOWN HARD on people who do, cause I think that's stupid. "When mafia you make accusations against people using your role or something about it" ehhhh?

 

I think Meri wasn't making any sense with the Poisoner thing. I attribute it to her being new and still unfamiliar with roles. I think all the poisoner/healer talk wasn't helpful for town catching scum so I WAS trying to "sweep it under the rug"

[hazelkrs1]

Gonna watch MNF (got a tense situation in my fantasy matchup) but will keep catching up on mobile

[Tommyrod]

To put it succinctly, I'll be lynching you because the amount of times your posts have made me go "huh?" vastly outnumbers the amount of times your posts have made me think "that's a good point."

[Tommyrod]

Arsis is there a reason you've taken a back seat for the past few days?

[Turin Turambar]

Despo,my point was that I don't care about your schedule. If you can't be here at deadline then you don't get to talk about the people that actually took the time to be here.

 

The reason I talked about why I think you are mafia is because it is what I am thinking. I wrote what I am currently thinking about all the players as Tommy asked me to. You don't like what I said. Fine. I put them out there and if I get lynched then you will all see that I did not have a mafia agenda.

 

It is good to KNOW if there are certified fake claims out there as it makes a difference in believing other claims that sound plausible.

 

TG has been gone for much of the game since those events so not a lot of new info there. I guess I could make some up to make you happy. But again it was just what I am thinking. Ithi is asleep s o We haven't discussed it  

 

You know the difference between being early on a train and actively advocating that lynch. Or at least you should.

 

 WRT to Krak, again. It appears that the only way you will believe is after you see we are what we claimed. So I guess that is all there is to that. You do not seem to be even trying to listen to anything I say. Only wanting to twist it so that you get your TI lynch. 

 

Go ahead I guess. 

[hazelkrs1]

 

I'm not jumpy, I'm PISSED.

Okay. Then let me spin it a different way. Pretend I'm a cop with an innocent on you but I haven't told the thread yet. Might there be value in finding out why people have a Town read on you? Also, might there be value in allowing scum to think that there is a handful of people that might be willing to mislynch you?

 

I feel like you are overreacting if you are Town. Feel free to address the points, rather than getting in a huff, and be secure in your answers since they should be coming from the right frame of mind.

 

Namaste.

Obv might be stuck in a tunnel but this post looked like posturing to me- like Yates trying to give himself an out for his soft pushing against Tommy (which is reminiscent of Yates' early game and his weak "traps")

[Turin Turambar]

To put it succinctly, I'll be lynching you because the amount of times your posts have made me go "huh?" vastly outnumbers the amount of times your posts have made me think "that's a good point."

 

Very well then. You don't have to agree with what I have said. If you don't understand what I am saying or at least trying to say then perhaps it is best to get my flip and then maybe, just maybe someone will pay a little attention and possibly think if I could be right even if not consensus.

 

Remember the Star Wars game that Cory was survivor? remember how you worked with Despo trying to get me lynched while saving TG? That is the game I think you most resemble right now. You let him do the heavy work there too. 

 

Whatever. I have said my peace. I need to eat now. I might be back on later. 

[hazelkrs1]

Despo,my point was that I don't care about your schedule. If you can't be here at deadline then you don't get to talk about the people that actually took the time to be here.

 

Dumb dumb dumb.

 

So just because I'm mainly active at night I shouldn't be able to discuss EOD behavior? Bullshanks.

 

Also you weren't trying to say I shouldn't be able to talk about others- you were SPECIFICALLY trying to say I looked bad for "bailing" at the deadline which is total BS

[hazelkrs1]

Lol @ Tommy "letting me do the heavy work" this game

 

[Tommyrod]

 

To put it succinctly, I'll be lynching you because the amount of times your posts have made me go "huh?" vastly outnumbers the amount of times your posts have made me think "that's a good point."

 

Very well then. You don't have to agree with what I have said. If you don't understand what I am saying or at least trying to say then perhaps it is best to get my flip and then maybe, just maybe someone will pay a little attention and possibly think if I could be right even if not consensus.

 

Remember the Star Wars game that Cory was survivor? remember how you worked with Despo trying to get me lynched while saving TG? That is the game I think you most resemble right now. You let him do the heavy work there too. 

 

Whatever. I have said my peace. I need to eat now. I might be back on later. 

 

 

I guess I don't understand. Who am I letting do the heavy work? Des?

[Arsis]

@tommy Un week is stressful and busy week for me @ work. The secret service is still here. Obama is coming tomorrow.

[hazelkrs1]

Arsis where do you work again? Sorry if you've said before

[hazelkrs1]

I don't mean specifically, I mean like a hotel or something? In NY or DC?