[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[hazelkrs1]

Just woke up briefly and caught up and I basically do not trust Kates one bit (besides his taste in music). I feel like all the posts I've seen are either defending themselves or their position in weird roundabout ways, or imo blatant attempts to redirect town focus off of people that SHOULD be focused on to people that prob SHOULDN'T be focused on

[Cory Caboose]

I will always love her voice. The only person who I love more is Joni Mitchell

 

Blue is in my top five favorite albums of all time

[Yates]

Just woke up briefly and caught up and I basically do not trust Kates one bit...

Don't worry. You will.

[hazelkrs1]

Grave Slick was the absolute tits tho. Although I never liked Janis Joplin. Most songs she sounds like a cat being slowly tortured on the rack. Cept for when she had just done a lot of coke and was in higher tempo in which case it sounded like a cat in a blender.

 

Also the folk representation at Woodstock really stunk but The Band is looked over like crazy. And honestly most those musicians can suck it as far as greed is concerned- even The Dead refused to go on stage at the last second until they saw a mattress full of dirty stinky slimy cash.

 

Although the promoters were pretty lame as well, they were the greediest of them all.

[Cory Caboose]

You guys have like >> six hours to submit NAs so do that

[hazelkrs1]

Basically what I'm saying is how ironic it is that Woodstock was remembered for being such a peace loving hippiefest when it was based entirely on greed and was actually pretty violent, but then 500k showing up for an event which had only legitimately planned for ~50k patrons will do that sort of thing

 

/Disillusioned and Cynical Thoughts

[Thane Vakarian]

will day start sooner if all the NA's are in, or not?

[hazelkrs1]

 

Yates why did you immediately ask me about scum off the wagon instead of scum on the wagon when I was just saying some scum likely bused

I think we cross posted. I didn't see your post until after mine. Even if I had, it wouldn't change *my* position. Typically, I'm looking for scum off the wagon on a successful day 1 scum lynch. The fact that Lenlo really didn't have any pressure or content posts - thus no "excuse" for any real/legit case for a scum busser to hide behind - reinforces my resolve in this. Do you disagree?

This post, for instance, is bad and possibly an attempt at redirecting focus.

 

Scum budding a teammate don't need a good reason to bus or a really scummy post of their teammates' to justify the bus move. The only thing that justifies it is seeing a teammate that looks like they might be going down, and trying to go with the flow and fit in with others to blend in.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Other people pointed this out I believe but yeah Key townreads Lenlo here based on very little, and when she hadn't yet commented on a lot of other players

To be fair, we hadn't commented on anything that didn't look game related. Look at Key's response to Tommy's request for our QT summary and MY response to Tommy's request for our QT summary [we cross posted as we were both catching up]. You'll notice we didn't say anything about Len or Darthe or BFG or anyone else that hadn't done anything of note. I can't tell you why Key was leaning Town on Lenlo other than what she posted but as I mentioned in post 1547 Lenlo wasn't even playing. So yeah, that read actually makes sense given "I've been scum with him in a few games lately and he at least appears to try as scum." So unless you think Key was trying to protect a "goon" for some reason, I think you just need to accept the fact that she was wrong on a read on Day 1 and Town are wrong on reads all the time. *shrug*

 

Here are the other people that were "wrong" about Len:

 

Csarmi

DT

Arsis

Tommy

Dice

Darthe

 

Do you disagree that at least one of these people is scum? Let's say you buy Tommy's claim - which is likely to be sorted tonight - that leaves 1 or 2 scum in 5 slots. These are the people you need to be talking to.

Another post trying to derail the scumhunt imo. Look at the six names he lists as being "wrong" about Lenlo- several of those were not townreading Lenlo in like any way. Tommy was one of the main pushers behind the Lenlo CFD. DT was the absolute first vote on Lenlo and never moved afaik. Darthe never even mentioned Lenlo once iirc. Pretty sure Arsis showed no resistance to the Lenlo train.

 

It feels like Yates just friggin pulled a bunch of names out of a hat and was like "look at this group" even tho that group legit had like nothing to do with why he was saying they should be looked at, yet he starts going into maths about the number of scum in their midst anyways.

 

Plus the first paragraph looks like him working WAY too hard to try and clear his partner's name, when if anything she would be far more suited to actually defend her position there regarding Lenlo (since she is the one who said it).

 

Like I said, going about defending themselves in weird roundabout ways using lawyerspeak. Very likely to be scum here

[Yates]

 

 

Yates why did you immediately ask me about scum off the wagon instead of scum on the wagon when I was just saying some scum likely bused

I think we cross posted. I didn't see your post until after mine. Even if I had, it wouldn't change *my* position. Typically, I'm looking for scum off the wagon on a successful day 1 scum lynch. The fact that Lenlo really didn't have any pressure or content posts - thus no "excuse" for any real/legit case for a scum busser to hide behind - reinforces my resolve in this. Do you disagree?

 

This post, for instance, is bad and possibly an attempt at redirecting focus.

 

You realize we are off the wagon, right? So I don't see how I would have been "redirecting focus" from your perspective.

 

Also, go look at how I treated the Hoof wagon in Dr. Who [my most recent game]. Specifically, look at this post and this post. Yeah. Finding scum off the Day 1 wagon is sort of "my thing."

 

/Yates

[hazelkrs1]

 

You're not producing. You're regurgitating. If nobody else was posting, what would you say?

 

Dunno, just my take on it.

No. We're reacting which is different from "producing" but also different from "regurgitating." I've said this about a dozen times now and I can't stress it enough - NEITHER of us are caught up on the game yet. It's not an excuse - just a fact. It's hard to produce in a game you aren't read up on. Hell, I didn't even know Arsis had re-rage quit on the game as of last night. *shrug*

Pretty sure Yates is just trying to use their late start to the game as a smokescreen for defending themselves from anything that makes them look bad- "Hell, I didn't even know Arsis had rage quit! That's why I even pointed it out that one time!"

[Tommyrod]

I agree Des. Lots of trail-covering. Too much.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

Yates why did you immediately ask me about scum off the wagon instead of scum on the wagon when I was just saying some scum likely bused

I think we cross posted. I didn't see your post until after mine. Even if I had, it wouldn't change *my* position. Typically, I'm looking for scum off the wagon on a successful day 1 scum lynch. The fact that Lenlo really didn't have any pressure or content posts - thus no "excuse" for any real/legit case for a scum busser to hide behind - reinforces my resolve in this. Do you disagree?

This post, for instance, is bad and possibly an attempt at redirecting focus.

You realize we are off the wagon, right? So I don't see how I would have been "redirecting focus" from your perspective.

 

Also, go look at how I treated the Hoof wagon in Dr. Who [my most recent game]. Specifically, look at this post and this post. Yeah. Finding scum off the Day 1 wagon is sort of "my thing."

 

/Yates

Would it make you mad if I told you I wasn't clicking on the links of you going through all that trouble to try and defend yourself?

 

And my point was more that you're trying to lead town down the wrong trail- like what if there are a good number of scum who bussed Lenlo? In that case town trying to find scum OFF the train would actually lead us on a wild scummy goose chase

[Yates]

Another post trying to derail the scumhunt imo. Look at the six names he lists as being "wrong" about Lenlo- several of those were not townreading Lenlo in like any way.

 

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It feels like Yates just friggin pulled a bunch of names out of a hat

And again, I disagree. I'm trying to FOCUS the scumhunt. Because, you know, I have more legit reasons for suspecting scum off the scum wagon than I do for suspecting bussing scum at this point.

 

Also, are you actually joking with the "pulling names out of a hat" comment? You realize that was the list of people that were not on the Lenlo wagon, right? Another way of phrasing that would be a list of people "off the scum lynch wagon." The same people that I said needed to be looked at more closely because there would be scum in that list. Not sure how this logic is escaping you.

[hazelkrs1]

Hey Des - what were your thoughts on Krak wrt Lenlo?

 

Hey Krak - I'll get there eventually but what got you on the Lenlo wagon?

Another potential "redirect focus" post, although I will say Krak isn't resolved yet and I guess I could see Yates legitimately suspecting him as town (Krak did offer minimal resistance to the Lenlo train at first)

[Yates]

Would it make you mad if I told you I wasn't clicking on the links of you going through all that trouble to try and defend yourself?

 

And my point was more that you're trying to lead town down the wrong trail...

Not really, it's just to your detriment. It illustrates two points:

1. My logic is consistent - which throws off your nonsense

2. In 100% of the games finished over the last week or so in which scum was lynched on Day 1, there were more scum off the wagon than on it.

 

*shrug*

 

It's a good trail. You should follow it. Or, ignore me and use logic to determine where the scum is more likely to be hiding and come to the same conclusion on your own. Your call.

 

/Yates

[hazelkrs1]

 

Another post trying to derail the scumhunt imo. Look at the six names he lists as being "wrong" about Lenlo- several of those were not townreading Lenlo in like any way.

 

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It feels like Yates just friggin pulled a bunch of names out of a hat

And again, I disagree. I'm trying to FOCUS the scumhunt. Because, you know, I have more legit reasons for suspecting scum off the scum wagon than I do for suspecting bussing scum at this point.

 

Also, are you actually joking with the "pulling names out of a hat" comment? You realize that was the list of people that were not on the Lenlo wagon, right? Another way of phrasing that would be a list of people "off the scum lynch wagon." The same people that I said needed to be looked at more closely because there would be scum in that list. Not sure how this logic is escaping you.

This is still kinda silly imo because you literally phrased it as

Look at these people who were "wrong" about Lenlo

even tho a number of those people had pushed for Lenlo's lynch, even if they weren't on the final wagon (taking your word for it that they weren't in fact voting for Lenlo at the end). Tommy for instance even said he wasn't voting Lenlo for Lula even tho he knew Lenlo was getting lynched, bit if you look at how the train started he was def a big reason it took off.

 

Your attempt to "focus" town's attention looks disingenuous to me

[hazelkrs1]

For lulz*

[Yates]

Another potential "redirect focus" post, although I will say Krak isn't resolved yet and I guess I could see Yates legitimately suspecting him as town (Krak did offer minimal resistance to the Lenlo train at first)

Actually, I was going to ask you about Tommy, too, but I feel like that slot is going to self resolve. As of post 766 [i'm a few pages past that at this point] these were the only two people commenting on Len. At that point, Len hadn't been posting, then came in a plopped a couple of lulz posts before leaving. I was planning on pointing out that you were being inconsistent in your application of "scumminess" due to people who initially either Town read Lenlo or thought he wasn't worth a vote for simply being a lurker. And this all ties nicely into why Key was questioning Hally on how she got onto the Lenlo wagon in the first place.

 

Again, the journey is more important than the destination at times. And you know this.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Would it make you mad if I told you I wasn't clicking on the links of you going through all that trouble to try and defend yourself?

 

And my point was more that you're trying to lead town down the wrong trail...

Not really, it's just to your detriment. It illustrates two points:

1. My logic is consistent - which throws off your nonsense

2. In 100% of the games finished over the last week or so in which scum was lynched on Day 1, there were more scum off the wagon than on it.

 

*shrug*

 

It's a good trail. You should follow it. Or, ignore me and use logic to determine where the scum is more likely to be hiding and come to the same conclusion on your own. Your call.

 

/Yates

Other games =/= this game.

 

Fwiw I don't really care about limiting my scumhunt either way, whether it's looking on the train or off. I'm looking for scum period, not posturing about trains

[hazelkrs1]

 

Another potential "redirect focus" post, although I will say Krak isn't resolved yet and I guess I could see Yates legitimately suspecting him as town (Krak did offer minimal resistance to the Lenlo train at first)

Actually, I was going to ask you about Tommy, too, but I feel like that slot is going to self resolve. As of post 766 [i'm a few pages past that at this point] these were the only two people commenting on Len. At that point, Len hadn't been posting, then came in a plopped a couple of lulz posts before leaving. I was planning on pointing out that you were being inconsistent in your application of "scumminess" due to people who initially either Town read Lenlo or thought he wasn't worth a vote for simply being a lurker. And this all ties nicely into why Key was questioning Hally on how she got onto the Lenlo wagon in the first place.

 

Again, the journey is more important than the destination at times. And you know this.

So in other words you're doing exactly what I was saying and going in a roundabout way to try and defend yourself?

[hazelkrs1]

Anyways, gonna try and get more shuteye before tonight, gonna be really busy

[Yates]

This is still kinda silly imo because you literally phrased it as

Look at these people who were "wrong" about Lenlo

 

Not sure how you are reading that, seeing that I had "wrong" in quotes, and arriving at that conclusion. The reason "wrong" is in quotes, again, is because I'm listing the people who weren't "right" in lynching Lenlo.

 

I'm not even CLOSE to seeing how that wagon started. So I'm saying the starting line needs to be the list of people off the Lenlo wagon for Day 2. If you look at that list and eliminate your Town reads, it should make the hunt pretty easy.

 

WRT you guys thinking it's "scummy" to excuse our ignorance of the current game state on the fact we aren't current on the game state? Wow. Well, we don't have a scum team to get us caught up so I guess you just have to wait. You don't like it? Too bad. It's a fact. You should take note of it and deal with it at face value.

[csarmi]

@Despo: checking your page 1-20 wot now. Check out the timestamps on my posts. That's me catching up in the morning on real time from phone. Might make more sense that way.

 

There was smth else I wanted to react to but I forgot what and I'm in phone. I'll post it in my next take.

[Yates]

Other games =/= this game.

Says every idiot not willing to understand logic ever.

 

Okay. You caught me. I'm trying to steer focus away from the people [like Hally - Key's slight scum read] on the Lenlo lynch. To what end? Convince me that scum are MORE likely to be bussing *in this game* and *in this scenario* than to be off the lynch. The logic should be dazzling.