[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Andrej]

I stopped multi quoting after a while once we got into the crazy claim fest. I do think that there is some pretty alignment indicative info to be gleaned from that though, even though I somewhat agree with Rand that it probably wasn't the best idea.

 

At least now we've got a pretty clear way of going about things.

 

So - that essentially clears Tommy, Darthe, Arsis and Tsuki. I also think Rand looks very good for his exchanges in the matter.

 

That adds a lot to my pool of players that I feel relatively good about moving forward, which is nice considering that (hopefully) we can make an informed decision as to who to lynch tomorrow before DL with the revealed powers.

 

Tommy

Darthe

Arsis

Tsuki

 

Rand

Krak

Des

Hally

NB

Wombat

Nolder

Key

X

 

Blue are as good as off the table for now unless some wild shit goes down, which I doubt. I feel comfortable keeping them there and putting my attention elsewhere. Green are people I feel relatively good about due to contributions/interactions as I read through the game in my state of perpetual catch up.

 

My null list is pretty huge but currently the short list is looking somewhat in no particular order like:

 

Dawn

Red

Vos

TG

[hazelkrs1]

Yay 500 new posts to catch up on

 

 

Also, I has a

 

I got all excited about how my game ended up being the most active game ever on DM, buuuuuuut I'm pretty sure this game will break that one's record. 2k posts and D1 isn't even done? Yeesh.

[Andrej]

Official Vote Count:

Darthe (8) - NotBob, Nolder, Vos, Dawn, Despothera, Songstress, TGlems, Hallia

Nolder (2) - Darthe, Tommy

Tommy (2) - Rand, TinaHel

Dicetosser (2) - Blackhoof, Keyholder

Tsukibana (2) - Andrej, Lenlo

Arsis (1) - Tsukibana

Red (1) - Xthrax

Rand (1) - WWWwombat

Dawn (1) - Red

 

Not Voting: everyone else

 

Alright - looking at these wagons now with the new info out there I think we can make a pretty good lynch before DL.

 

Darthe is pretty much confirmed via PM so I think that's the best place to look for scum with how his wagon has been building over the last few days.

 

Off the top I think Vos and TG look the worst on that train surrouding their other play ITT, along with Dawn (cause Dawn) and Tress as an outlier because I generally remember her sort of popping into the thread randomly as the game has progressed but not really taking the discussion in any sort of direction.

 

Darthe/Tommy both being on Nolder makes that wagon look pretty good - but I'm not really sold on Nolder. Has he said some anti-town shit? Yeah. I also look at Nolder as a sort of perma-grumpy dude but someone who can also scumhunt pretty well. I wouldn't want to vote here unless it was to confirm him, my 2c.

 

Dice wagon is sorta meh. I haven't read that much into Hoof yet but I do like Key's activity level and how she is spreading her attention around, but I'm not seeing Dice as scummy in this instance.

 

I actually like X on Red atm, I could get on that wagon as well. I think X has been posting pretty well and I'm liking his level of insight with some of the questions he's asking - I remember thinking this as I was reading through. I could pull specifics later, but out of the X/Red I feel more confident that X would be town in a town/scum scenario. Red dropping off once the game actually got away from D0 isn't a great look imo.

 

Wombat voting Rand actually makes me want to reconsider my read on him. Rand is looking pretty obvtown to me right now, so that's troubling.

 

Dawn wagon looks weak and sort of low-hanging fruit type stuff. More negative points for Red.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Red[/v]

 

Also WTL Vos/TG.

[hazelkrs1]

Just read this page and holy crap did I miss a lot

 

AJ!

 

Just saw you posted, PLEASE stay up and catch me up, I remember I had town on you in this game

Wtf is going on? Tsuki and Darthe claimed what exactly.... what all else happened?

[hazelkrs1]

Help me AJ Kenobi, you're my only hope

 

[hazelkrs1]

Not really I just REEEEEAAAAALLY don't wanna read all that I missed and I don't have time before I leave anyways

[Andrej]

So roughly 14.5 hours until DL, and it looks like we're setting up for another DM pile on.

 

It's nearly 3am here for me and I have to be at work by 9, so I should get to bed. I'll try to check as often as I can on my phone (which won't be often) but I'll be able to read up and maybe post before I'm done with my lunch break in case I need to change votes in order to consolidate.

[Andrej]

Damnit Des lol

[hazelkrs1]

So roughly 14.5 hours until DL, and it looks like we're setting up for another DM pile on.

 

It's nearly 3am here for me and I have to be at work by 9, so I should get to bed. I'll try to check as often as I can on my phone (which won't be often) but I'll be able to read up and maybe post before I'm done with my lunch break in case I need to change votes in order to consolidate.

 

nooooooooooo

 

le sigh

[hazelkrs1]

Damnit Des lol

 

Oh thank Gawd

 

Just catch me up quick, please, or tell me around what page all this shit started going down

 

I got like 20 mins left for mafia (and I still have a whole nother game )

[Andrej]

Okay - I'll give you the short and dirty.

 

Darthe is a BG (Captain Marvel) and quoted his PM for proof.

 

Tommy has revealed himself as QuickSilver from the Wonder Twins and that if he hammers on a lynch that person won't die and instead he'll receive their role PM.

 

Arsis is apparently Thor.

 

Tsuki has some weird ass ability where if he votes someone and they immediately vote him back in their next post he finds out their alignment. None of these make sense as scum roles, so essentially these 4 are all lock town.

[hazelkrs1]

Actually, gonna go catch up in Darthe's game, that will be more efficient use of my time anyways.

 

Go to bed if you want, or leave a catchup for me and I'll try and fit some mafia in today when I wake up before wifey gets home

[Andrej]

iirc it all started around ~pg90ish

 

Might be a few before that, but if you get time you should start there and then go back further if needed.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay - I'll give you the short and dirty.

 

Darthe is a BG (Captain Marvel) and quoted his PM for proof.

 

Tommy has revealed himself as QuickSilver from the Wonder Twins and that if he hammers on a lynch that person won't die and instead he'll receive their role PM.

 

Arsis is apparently Thor.

 

Tsuki has some weird ass ability where if he votes someone and they immediately vote him back in their next post he finds out their alignment. None of these make sense as scum roles, so essentially these 4 are all lock town.

 

Okay I got you on most of that, but why are all 4 lock town? Thor could be mod given safe claim, BG could be mafia I suppose (might be confbias on my part- Darthe looked pretty sketch to me this game from what I recall)...

 

I agree that Tommy's role is too easily vettable and obv protown, and Tsuki's as well, tho that would be easier to fake (don't really think he would have thought up a role like that as scum that being said)

 

So those two I'm willing to accept as lock town, but why the other two?

[hazelkrs1]

iirc it all started around ~pg90ish

 

Might be a few before that, but if you get time you should start there and then go back further if needed.

 

I'll prob skim from where I left off (77ish) till 90ish, then read more carefully. Thanks.

 

Also willing to sponge off you, but I saw that you suspect Vos and TG on the Darthe train. Again, TG I get, he looked sketch to me earlier. Vos I don't get tho, he looked pretty townie to me earlier. Did he slip or anything, or is it just his vote that stands out?

 

For now, sponging off of AJ [unvote] [v]Red[/v]

 

Red looked scummy to me anyways, and while I wanna see Darthe's full claim in context for myself, him being essentially the only train kinda weirds me out, so he might be town after all

[Andrej]

 

Okay - I'll give you the short and dirty.

 

Darthe is a BG (Captain Marvel) and quoted his PM for proof.

 

Tommy has revealed himself as QuickSilver from the Wonder Twins and that if he hammers on a lynch that person won't die and instead he'll receive their role PM.

 

Arsis is apparently Thor.

 

Tsuki has some weird ass ability where if he votes someone and they immediately vote him back in their next post he finds out their alignment. None of these make sense as scum roles, so essentially these 4 are all lock town.

 

Okay I got you on most of that, but why are all 4 lock town? Thor could be mod given safe claim, BG could be mafia I suppose (might be confbias on my part- Darthe looked pretty sketch to me this game from what I recall)...

 

I agree that Tommy's role is too easily vettable and obv protown, and Tsuki's as well, tho that would be easier to fake (don't really think he would have thought up a role like that as scum that being said)

 

So those two I'm willing to accept as lock town, but why the other two?

 

Darthe quoted his PM with a picture and shit in it. You'll see when you read up. I'm not really interested in the 'could be fake' debate atm this moment so I would rather just table him and look elsewhere tbh.

 

Thor could be a fake claim, sure. Again, you'll see more about it when you read up but Arsis also gives some details about his powers too. Obviously, it could be faked but I'm not gonna tinfoil on it right now while I feel like we can hunt more productively elsewhere.

[Andrej]

 

iirc it all started around ~pg90ish

 

Might be a few before that, but if you get time you should start there and then go back further if needed.

 

I'll prob skim from where I left off (77ish) till 90ish, then read more carefully. Thanks.

 

Also willing to sponge off you, but I saw that you suspect Vos and TG on the Darthe train. Again, TG I get, he looked sketch to me earlier. Vos I don't get tho, he looked pretty townie to me earlier. Did he slip or anything, or is it just his vote that stands out?

 

For now, sponging off of AJ [unvote] [v]Red[/v]

 

Red looked scummy to me anyways, and while I wanna see Darthe's full claim in context for myself, him being essentially the only train kinda weirds me out, so he might be town after all

 

To me his vote stands out because of his behavior around other players as D1 grew later. He seems hyper aggressive and somewhat nitpicky with his arguments. Again, you'll see when you catch up You seem to be noticing a lot of the same stuff I do, so I don't think you'll miss it.

 

I also agree that when actually looking at the VCs now that I've invested a bit more time into this game that I find Darthe being the only big wagon is pretty suspect - especially now with the info that has been revealed.

 

I'm good with lynching Red for independent reasons, but stringing up one of the sketchy players from Darthe's wagon is also a good direction to move in imo.

[Andrej]

Okay, now it actually is 3am so I'm shutting down the laptop.

 

I'll try to get up a little earlier before work and check in - no promises though.

 

AJ likes his sleep :sleepy:

[Andrej]

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[RandA lThor]

 

Okay - I'll give you the short and dirty.

 

Darthe is a BG (Captain Marvel) and quoted his PM for proof.

 

Tommy has revealed himself as QuickSilver from the Wonder Twins and that if he hammers on a lynch that person won't die and instead he'll receive their role PM.

 

Arsis is apparently Thor.

 

Tsuki has some weird ass ability where if he votes someone and they immediately vote him back in their next post he finds out their alignment. None of these make sense as scum roles, so essentially these 4 are all lock town.

 

Okay I got you on most of that, but why are all 4 lock town? Thor could be mod given safe claim, BG could be mafia I suppose (might be confbias on my part- Darthe looked pretty sketch to me this game from what I recall)...

 

I agree that Tommy's role is too easily vettable and obv protown, and Tsuki's as well, tho that would be easier to fake (don't really think he would have thought up a role like that as scum that being said)

 

So those two I'm willing to accept as lock town, but why the other two?

 

Well Captain marvel has been in a bunch of Mynd's scenes before Darthe claimed, so that seems clearing for Darthe that there is a Captain marvel.

 

As for Thor, he's one of the Avengers actually in the movie, and out of all the characters to have a "hammer" ability, he'd be them most likely.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay - I'll give you the short and dirty.

 

Darthe is a BG (Captain Marvel) and quoted his PM for proof.

 

Tommy has revealed himself as QuickSilver from the Wonder Twins and that if he hammers on a lynch that person won't die and instead he'll receive their role PM.

 

Arsis is apparently Thor.

 

Tsuki has some weird ass ability where if he votes someone and they immediately vote him back in their next post he finds out their alignment. None of these make sense as scum roles, so essentially these 4 are all lock town.

Okay I got you on most of that, but why are all 4 lock town? Thor could be mod given safe claim, BG could be mafia I suppose (might be confbias on my part- Darthe looked pretty sketch to me this game from what I recall)...

 

I agree that Tommy's role is too easily vettable and obv protown, and Tsuki's as well, tho that would be easier to fake (don't really think he would have thought up a role like that as scum that being said)

 

So those two I'm willing to accept as lock town, but why the other two?

Darthe quoted his PM with a picture and shit in it. You'll see when you read up. I'm not really interested in the 'could be fake' debate atm this moment so I would rather just table him and look elsewhere tbh.

 

Thor could be a fake claim, sure. Again, you'll see more about it when you read up but Arsis also gives some details about his powers too. Obviously, it could be faked but I'm not gonna tinfoil on it right now while I feel like we can hunt more productively elsewhere.

Gotcha

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

 

Okay - I'll give you the short and dirty.

 

Darthe is a BG (Captain Marvel) and quoted his PM for proof.

 

Tommy has revealed himself as QuickSilver from the Wonder Twins and that if he hammers on a lynch that person won't die and instead he'll receive their role PM.

 

Arsis is apparently Thor.

 

Tsuki has some weird ass ability where if he votes someone and they immediately vote him back in their next post he finds out their alignment. None of these make sense as scum roles, so essentially these 4 are all lock town.

Okay I got you on most of that, but why are all 4 lock town? Thor could be mod given safe claim, BG could be mafia I suppose (might be confbias on my part- Darthe looked pretty sketch to me this game from what I recall)...

 

I agree that Tommy's role is too easily vettable and obv protown, and Tsuki's as well, tho that would be easier to fake (don't really think he would have thought up a role like that as scum that being said)

 

So those two I'm willing to accept as lock town, but why the other two?

Well Captain marvel has been in a bunch of Mynd's scenes before Darthe claimed, so that seems clearing for Darthe that there is a Captain marvel.

 

As for Thor, he's one of the Avengers actually in the movie, and out of all the characters to have a "hammer" ability, he'd be them most likely.

Mush I dunno. I follow what you're saying, the thing is I have a hard time believing Mynd would design a setup that could clear as many townies as claimed D1, especially when you're allowed to quote your role pm. Also don't think Mynd would clear players with his scenes, at least not intentionally.

 

Anyways could just be paranoia on my part. I'll make my mind up when I read thru later

[hazelkrs1]

Myeh* I dunno

 

Friggin auto correct. My new phone hasn't learned my lingo yet

[Blackhoof]

Wowzers... Just wowzers

 

 

what an interesting series of events

 

 

Is it unlimited shots?  My brain is kinda fried from the catchup atm.

  

feel you, bro

 

 

Question: If Tommy is telling the truth what is stopping us from confirming every person every day? Darthe very well could be a BG and I'm sure we have a doctor?

 

Sounds too OP to me.

 

i ageeedat first, but then it occurred to me that using it too often just loses town all their kills while the mafia have their pick from the pool of confirmeds.

 

  

 

Of course, when they do it on purpose, it no longer is an OMGUS vote, is it...

 

 

you nub. Absolute dingbat. Why would you tell people that power? I'm tempted to disbelieve you actually

 

 

 

Can we have Vos be tested?  Wait just read  the second part... is your power nulled for the entire game?

 

that was my instant thought.

 

 

 

^That is a stupid statement and an excellent position for scum to take just in case Tommy has a really powerful role.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, come end game he better be vetted by his magic power or his mason twin or he is getting lynched.  In the meantime though posts like that from Tommy are him just fellating himself cuz he's bored.

This post doesn't make sense.  I was suspicious because if he gave his actual role claim today or tomorrow, you could ignore it, say he was claiming too many times, and no one would believe him.

 

 

Who was it who said they thought they knew Darthe's character?  I remember that comment coming out of left field and sounding very off.

Me.  If Darthe says its OK I can reveal who I think it is, but if it in some way endangers town in only a way he knows, then I'll keep it secret.

 

 

Just do it mate!

Why do you keep doing this...

 

 

 

I also imagine that your way for me to live hurts others or something dumb like that.

 

I hammer your lynch, I get your full role PM, and you get to live.

It's a cop-governor-priest menagerie. You want to do this?

For god's sake no!!!! Tommy idk if you're falling asleep but think of the recent X game.  Do you have any idea on how useful this could be in endgame??? In any situation where we have ccs?  This is insanely useful and should not be wasted now at all.

 

 

 

Is it unlimited shots? My brain is kinda fried from the catchup atm.

 

Yes

This seems tempting but think about it first.  For a role cop/cop investigation, we are giving up a lynch (town's only chance to kill mafia).  Do this too much and mafia will start gaining a lead through kills that town can't surpass.  This role should only be used when necessary.  Unlike now!

 

 

Question: If Tommy is telling the truth what is stopping us from confirming every person every day? Darthe very well could be a BG and I'm sure we have a doctor?

 

Sounds too OP to me.

Mynd's smart and he knows people would want to do this.  When non-thinking town goes "Oh hey! Unlimited shots lets use it!", mafia will continue to kill more and more people, and even though we might catch one or two mafia this way, maf will kill cleared townies, and eventually gain advantage as the only reliable mostly town controlled kill method is lost.

 

 

My hammer ability isn't really that great.

It's kind of unpredictable.

Can everyone stop doing this?  Just because one person shows his hammer doesn't mean you have to pull out your own hammer and compare sizes.  You're giving mafia more and more information, and as more people reveal their roles just so they can gain the self-satisfaction of using their power, mafia's chuckling as they plan out their next move.

 

 

 

 

Arsis, why would you not want Tommy to, if he's telling the truth? That seems like a pretty sweet thing.UnvoteVote Darthe

 

Because I have a very pro town power especially day 1 and I don't really believe tommy's 4th claim.

My power is better for the town.

Arsis... please... just stop.

 

And for all of the stuff going on right now, everyone just stop this.  At this point mafia will try to get hammer because they don't want any town to be able to use their power, and guess what, they'll claim their own hammer power that everyone will like and use that to their advantage.  All you idiots have pretty much nulled the usefullness of many of the hammer, if not all, of the hammer roles.

 

Also, since I got ninjad a bunch, I'm going to make realizations that contradict previous things.

 

Darthe is pretty much clear, Marvel has been in a bunch of scenes by now.  I was wrong about his character claim though, I thought he was Rhodes (since he's a BG for Iron Man).

 

 

i pretty much agree with you here for the most part 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Funny... we could have confirmed 4 town by now...

Regarding your role, hasn't it already been nullified since Mynd knows that no vote in that structure is really going to be an OMGUS?  How is this statement relevant to the game?

Same question, fired back. Mynd is troll mod. He laughed his ass off and approved of my shenanigans with the role. Your turn: How is your statement relevant?

 

 

see, now i don't believe you.

now.... Hypothetically every player could "OMGUS" you and you get their alignment. Guaranteed town victory.

 

so i call bullshit. You made up a role without character claiming and with an abusable trigger.

 

 

 

 

"Also, unsure for Nolder, he did say to stop mass claiming, whereas mafia would have easily wanted to jump right in."

The hell is this gibberish defense of Nolder, Rand?

 

 

it makes sense.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nolder when people make semi-verifiable and intimately tying claims like I am by offering to cop hammer Darthe you don't immediately go "wow maybe he's pulling the long con!" you go "okay, this will get resolved by night actions somehow or we will get really suspicious in 3-5 days."

This is BASIC.

Can you at least address my point on how your role would be a thousand times more useful in a CC or Lylo/Mylo situation?

It probably would be, but I very very very rarely make it far that as town. This is a large game. Odds of me making it to must lynch are 0.1%.

See your point, but you can also wait for a CC situation. But more importantly, now that Darthe has almost cleared himself with the claim of a character who has been in multiple Mynd scenes, is it worth missing the first lynch in which we get tons of information to clear someone who most people think is now town?

 

Just answer me one question and remember there are consequences to lying to a god. Are you scum? Yes or no answer please.

No, I am not scum, nor any third party role that might be construed as scum.  I am a Hero, and aligned with Town.  LD me or whatever you want.

 

But not town... Town aligned third party - who was it who called me nuts, and now someone else tries to use it...

 

are you being serious here? Just.... My goodness.

 

  

 

WHY NOT JUST SAY "I AM TOWN"??????????????????????

 

 

stahp tsuki, stahp it

 

 

 

allright im going to unvote cause i cant argue with that power claim. First i am gonna try and explain my thinking which apparently was not clear enuff.

 

say my next game is Star Wars. I come out early and claim Palpatine. I say it a few times. Then i say nah im kidding im actually Dooku. Oh and i have a cop view on such and such during day.  Oh and now im a mason too!!

 

Do I get lynched? i bet i do.

 

If you answer no you are an idiot cause u are giving scum the ability to outright claim their role and get away with it.

 

tommy did all that and up til all this hammer time stuff we had no way of knowing he was telling the truth. the character he settled on is one id expect to be 3rd party at best. you cant tell at this point  even if someone said they were his mason buddy that they are not scum pulling a gambit.  You would tend to believe it once that second claim comes but you dont KNOW it.  Hence my push.

 

now this hammer stuff  tommys claimed hammer ability would be AWESOME for scum to have    too awesome i think.  i cant see that going to scum by any mod. even troll ones. It is also at least partially verifiable immediately. so now i have to believe him.

 

unvote

 

 

and i just got ninjad by like 38 posts lmao

 

 

*inserting pic soon*

 

 

 

Okay - I'll give you the short and dirty.

 

Darthe is a BG (Captain Marvel) and quoted his PM for proof.

 

Tommy has revealed himself as QuickSilver from the Wonder Twins and that if he hammers on a lynch that person won't die and instead he'll receive their role PM.

 

Arsis is apparently Thor.

 

Tsuki has some weird ass ability where if he votes someone and they immediately vote him back in their next post he finds out their alignment. None of these make sense as scum roles, so essentially these 4 are all lock town.

 

 

I don't think tsuki is cleared at all. If he was scum, he could just say everyone comes out non-scum.

[Blackhoof]

Oh fudge. Quotes got messed up.