[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Xthrax]

Why did you have to ask Hallia if you wanted to ask Tommy. That is what bugs me. If you have a partner on a qt who has the answer to your question,why do you have to ask someone else? That is why it appears to be suspicious. 

[Nolder]

Why did you have to ask Hallia if you wanted to ask Tommy. That is what bugs me. If you have a partner on a qt who has the answer to your question,why do you have to ask someone else? That is why it appears to be suspicious. 

I don't understand your trepidation here.

What's wrong with asking both sides what's going on?

[Xthrax]

If he's your partner-he's the person you should trust the most. No one else for the simple reason of whatever they say on thread has no solid 100% proof. Why bother ask someone else? If he's your partner, you should trust him 100% unless it's something like lovers. There would be no reason conceivable to why you need ask someone else.   

[keyholder21]

Why did you have to ask Hallia if you wanted to ask Tommy. That is what bugs me. If you have a partner on a qt who has the answer to your question,why do you have to ask someone else? That is why it appears to be suspicious.

If you have the ability to ask two different parties what is going on, why would you stick to just one?

[Nolder]

If he's your partner-he's the person you should trust the most. No one else for the simple reason of whatever they say on thread has no solid 100% proof. Why bother ask someone else? If he's your partner, you should trust him 100% unless it's something like lovers. There would be no reason conceivable to why you need ask someone else.   

It doesn't have to do with trust necessarily.

Maybe he misworded something or didn't explain the situation correctly.

[Nolder]

I'm going to be leaving soon and I'll be out for the day.

If you have anymore questions ask them now or I'll get to them tonight or tomorrow.

[Xthrax]

There isn't any other reason. That's why I assume it to be suspicious.

 

Plus, there is another reason. Tommy told about a neighbor role almost when night began. Hallia was much later since she said she did something much later. So if Hallia was way after compared to when Tommy said it, so how could you glean info about NotBob doing something if Hallia only did something way after it? Tommy said it on 8 Aug. Hallia on 9th.

[Yates]

Possibly. They are father/son technically. But they do legit hate each other in most of the comics.

I was just trying to figure out some potential scenarios. In the case of Dawn she wasn't aligned with "Villains" or something generic like that. She is specifically "Venom Symbiote" aligned. So the way I see it, we have some potential scenarios that look like this:

 

1. Dawn is a 3rd Party killer - like an SK. Still a good lynch.

2. Dawn is part of one of multiple anti-hero teams. This aligns with what some of you are currently theorizing. Still a good lynch.

3. Dawn is part of a single large criminal organization. Seems least likely. Still a good lynch.

4. Dawn is part of a "team" of numerous villains that all have their own win conditions and don't know about each other. Still a good lynch.

 

Again, I don't think any of this is worth getting overly concerned with right now. Just scenarios I have filed in the back of my head as I look at future interactions.

 

Speaking of future interactions - I'm not reading the first 137 some odd pages. Seriously. I have read pretty much everything since night fall so that just needs to be enough - especially with all these claimed powers floating around. Plus, something I think Wombat(?) was alluding to is that I don't want to get myself overly concerned in making my reads based on player interactions in a game that potentially has a cult/recruit mechanism or in a game that is likely multifaction. So please forgive me if I miss something. Just be cool and point it out to me, thanks.

[Xthrax]

 

Why did you have to ask Hallia if you wanted to ask Tommy. That is what bugs me. If you have a partner on a qt who has the answer to your question,why do you have to ask someone else? That is why it appears to be suspicious.

If you have the ability to ask two different parties what is going on, why would you stick to just one?

 

Everyone has been saying that these two are masons. Tommy clears Nolder on basis of his posts on their qt.

 

If they are two people together-linked roles, and if they know each other to be town, why ask anyone else. Other people cannot be trusted until there is proof. So why bother asking a person who you can't trust when there is someone you can.

 

Hallia can be corroborated based on Tina's flip somewhat.

 

But until that nothing.

 

There was absolutely no necessity IMO and potentially risky. So I find it scummy.

[Nolder]

 

Possibly. They are father/son technically. But they do legit hate each other in most of the comics.

I was just trying to figure out some potential scenarios. In the case of Dawn she wasn't aligned with "Villains" or something generic like that. She is specifically "Venom Symbiote" aligned. So the way I see it, we have some potential scenarios that look like this:

 

1. Dawn is a 3rd Party killer - like an SK. Still a good lynch.

2. Dawn is part of one of multiple anti-hero teams. This aligns with what some of you are currently theorizing. Still a good lynch.

3. Dawn is part of a single large criminal organization. Seems least likely. Still a good lynch.

4. Dawn is part of a "team" of numerous villains that all have their own win conditions and don't know about each other. Still a good lynch.

 

Again, I don't think any of this is worth getting overly concerned with right now. Just scenarios I have filed in the back of my head as I look at future interactions.

 

Speaking of future interactions - I'm not reading the first 137 some odd pages. Seriously. I have read pretty much everything since night fall so that just needs to be enough - especially with all these claimed powers floating around. Plus, something I think Wombat(?) was alluding to is that I don't want to get myself overly concerned in making my reads based on player interactions in a game that potentially has a cult/recruit mechanism or in a game that is likely multifaction. So please forgive me if I miss something. Just be cool and point it out to me, thanks.

 

Yates if you want a really clear view of the game you may want to read from like page 80 onwards, maybe skimming a bit.

That's around the time Tommy claimed to have a lynch ability that could clear Darthe and where the current conversation evolved from.

Just a suggestion if you want to have the background info without having to read the ENTIRE thread.

[Xthrax]

 

If he's your partner-he's the person you should trust the most. No one else for the simple reason of whatever they say on thread has no solid 100% proof. Why bother ask someone else? If he's your partner, you should trust him 100% unless it's something like lovers. There would be no reason conceivable to why you need ask someone else.   

It doesn't have to do with trust necessarily.

Maybe he misworded something or didn't explain the situation correctly.

 

That is no reason. According to Tommy, you guys had 150 odd posts. You could ask him to be clearer. Still no reason for me to find him so.

[Nolder]

There isn't any other reason. That's why I assume it to be suspicious.

 

Plus, there is another reason. Tommy told about a neighbor role almost when night began. Hallia was much later since she said she did something much later. So if Hallia was way after compared to when Tommy said it, so how could you glean info about NotBob doing something if Hallia only did something way after it? Tommy said it on 8 Aug. Hallia on 9th.

You're losing it.

Take a deep breath and try again because I don't understand what you're even trying to say anymore.

[Xthrax]

There isn't any other reason for you to do that.

 

There is another reason for me to suspect you.

 

That's what I meant.

[Yates]

1. I don't see town!Yates revealing a guilty so early in the day when that kills discussion and negates any chance to catch the guilty's teammates.

 

2. Also, if Dawn is Venom, then she's more likely to be third party imo, I don't see a Symbiote faction in an Age of Ultron game.

 

3. This looks like an attempt to distract from my case imo.

1. That is a fair observation - in any game that I am read/caught up in. When I replace in to 100+ pages and have no desire to get caught up, though? This is how I do. No time for typical Yates shens/gambits.

 

2. I'm theorizing about this as well. See above.

 

3. You have a case? I mean, that's cool and all but I received TWO pieces of information that suggests Dawn is scum [or at least anti-hero] that also jibes with multiple other pieces of information that have come out today with regards to the makeup of a wagon that she was on and her "unclearedness" on said wagon.

 

As a side note: I can respect a healthy level of skepticism, especially where a player of my style is concerned. That said, I'm tying myself to TWO very specific pieces of information that are going to be made public. I don't suspect I'd survive the night [either in terms of a vig shot or cop view of some sort] if EITHER of those pieces of information was inaccurate. As someone familiar with how I play the angles, you of all people should know I don't paint myself into specifics when I'm running a gambit. Just something worth considering since it's possible Town will need your vote on Dawn with Tommy vote controlled and myself vote blocked.

[Nolder]

There may not be any OTHER reason but there is still the reason I gave.

I wanted to see if maybe Tommy misunderstood what was said to him.

I don't know what's so weird about that to you.

[Nolder]

 

1. I don't see town!Yates revealing a guilty so early in the day when that kills discussion and negates any chance to catch the guilty's teammates.

 

2. Also, if Dawn is Venom, then she's more likely to be third party imo, I don't see a Symbiote faction in an Age of Ultron game.

 

3. This looks like an attempt to distract from my case imo.

1. That is a fair observation - in any game that I am read/caught up in. When I replace in to 100+ pages and have no desire to get caught up, though? This is how I do. No time for typical Yates shens/gambits.

 

2. I'm theorizing about this as well. See above.

 

3. You have a case? I mean, that's cool and all but I received TWO pieces of information that suggests Dawn is scum [or at least anti-hero] that also jibes with multiple other pieces of information that have come out today with regards to the makeup of a wagon that she was on and her "unclearedness" on said wagon.

 

As a side note: I can respect a healthy level of skepticism, especially where a player of my style is concerned. That said, I'm tying myself to TWO very specific pieces of information that are going to be made public. I don't suspect I'd survive the night [either in terms of a vig shot or cop view of some sort] if EITHER of those pieces of information was inaccurate. As someone familiar with how I play the angles, you of all people should know I don't paint myself into specifics when I'm running a gambit. Just something worth considering since it's possible Town will need your vote on Dawn with Tommy vote controlled and myself vote blocked.

 

You wouldn't even need to be shot or cop viewed. If Dawn flipped town for whatever reason we'd just lynch you.

[keyholder21]

I realize everyone is prob gonna just follow the cop, but meh screw that noise.

 

I seriously don't see ANY negative outcomes with his lynch. He flips recruiter like I think he will, and the game is burst WIDE OPEN. If he flips town, then we can trust Tommy unequivocally and we get to work with a bunch of clears.

 

Also leery of the cop view btw. Dawn doesn't seem town to me, but I don't see town!Yates revealing a guilty so early in the day when that kills discussion and negates any chance to catch the guilty's teammates. Also, if Dawn is Venom, then she's more likely to be third party imo, I don't see a Symbiote faction in an Age of Ultron game. This looks like an attempt to distract from my case imo.

Why wouldn’t you follow a GUILTY cop view?

 

Bold – how does NB flipping town mean we can trust Tommy unequivocally? The majority of us believe he’s town anyway, but how does NB’s flip mean that without any kind of doubt?

 

Last paragraph – So you think Yates is scum, because he came out on thread and said he found a guilty on someone else? Bold – We already had the third party discussion earlier. Even if this is the case, she is still likely anti-town. As far as what’s included in the game, gaming the mod never works, especially when it is someone like Mynd, so I don’t see the point in introducing this.

 

 

Dawn is confirmed scum.

Xthrax is spewing scum.

 

Just need to figure out the other two.

How am I spewing scum?

 

Fair question to ask about yourself, but no comment on dawn being confirmed scum? No unvote and voting for her? Unless you have a town read on her, I don’t see why you are voting someone else, even if you think them scummy. She’s on a short list of people who could be scum as stated by one person’s power, made even shorter by another person’s powers, and then is confirmed scum. It is legit scummy to not be voting her right now, imo, regardless of how you see nolder.

 

Really? If I was up for a lynch and scum wouldn't I have kept my mouth shut? Would someone who's up for a lynch want to get attention if they are scum.

Not necessarily. It depends on the player. Some people like to get more active and involved, some less. But isn’t this almost the same argument as “if I were scum, I would/wouldn’t do that” ?

 

 

Which also doesn't look very good for X considering his arguments with Red during the Dawn phase.

This is complete nonsense. I mean, AJ did you read why I found her to be somewhat scummy? It started because she was acting completely different from how she did in a town game. She was repeatedly trying to force her meta. A lot of people said that it was scummy, but now because it seems that Yates got a cop view I'm bad for what everyone agreed on a day back.

 

I actually agree with this.

[Xthrax]

There may not be any OTHER reason but there is still the reason I gave.

I wanted to see if maybe Tommy misunderstood what was said to him.

I don't know what's so weird about that to you.

That's what you say.

 

I believe that it is fishing.

[Nolder]

 

There may not be any OTHER reason but there is still the reason I gave.

I wanted to see if maybe Tommy misunderstood what was said to him.

I don't know what's so weird about that to you.

That's what you say.

 

I believe that it is fishing.

 

You lost me again.

Who am I fishing from now? Notbob?

[keyholder21]

 

 

Why did you have to ask Hallia if you wanted to ask Tommy. That is what bugs me. If you have a partner on a qt who has the answer to your question,why do you have to ask someone else? That is why it appears to be suspicious.

If you have the ability to ask two different parties what is going on, why would you stick to just one?

 

Everyone has been saying that these two are masons. Tommy clears Nolder on basis of his posts on their qt.

 

If they are two people together-linked roles, and if they know each other to be town, why ask anyone else. Other people cannot be trusted until there is proof. So why bother asking a person who you can't trust when there is someone you can.

 

Hallia can be corroborated based on Tina's flip somewhat.

 

But until that nothing.

 

There was absolutely no necessity IMO and potentially risky. So I find it scummy.

 

Bold - This was before Tina's flip, so I don't get how that factors in. I would think it would be a good way to question Hallia. Also, could potentially give insight into a power that a possible scum (NB) had. If she was supposedly able to keep him from doing anything, but he was able to do it, then that would shed at least a little bit of light on what he or his team might have to combat town.

[Yates]

Was venom in the avengers movies?

Not yet. I wouldn't expect to see Venom in any Avengers movies until Spidey shows up, at least. And that could be a while given the success of his own movie franchise. Also, Venom was really mishandled in the Batman movies as basically a scrub.

[Xthrax]

 

 

Dawn is confirmed scum.

Xthrax is spewing scum.

 

Just need to figure out the other two.

How am I spewing scum?

 

Fair question to ask about yourself, but no comment on dawn being confirmed scum? No unvote and voting for her? Unless you have a town read on her, I don’t see why you are voting someone else, even if you think them scummy. She’s on a short list of people who could be scum as stated by one person’s power, made even shorter by another person’s powers, and then is confirmed scum. It is legit scummy to not be voting her right now, imo, regardless of how you see nolder.

 

Really? If I was up for a lynch and scum wouldn't I have kept my mouth shut? Would someone who's up for a lynch want to get attention if they are scum.

Not necessarily. It depends on the player. Some people like to get more active and involved, some less. But isn’t this almost the same argument as “if I were scum, I would/wouldn’t do that” ?

 

I didn't because I have a town read for her. That's what I've been saying most of the game.

 

As for the second quote, yes I agree. You have a point there.

[keyholder21]

arg, meant to [v] Dawn [/v]

[Xthrax]

 

 

There may not be any OTHER reason but there is still the reason I gave.

I wanted to see if maybe Tommy misunderstood what was said to him.

I don't know what's so weird about that to you.

That's what you say.

 

I believe that it is fishing.

 

You lost me again.

Who am I fishing from now? Notbob?

 

Who were we talking about till now? About who you were fishing? That person

 

 

 

 

Why did you have to ask Hallia if you wanted to ask Tommy. That is what bugs me. If you have a partner on a qt who has the answer to your question,why do you have to ask someone else? That is why it appears to be suspicious.

If you have the ability to ask two different parties what is going on, why would you stick to just one?

 

Everyone has been saying that these two are masons. Tommy clears Nolder on basis of his posts on their qt.

 

If they are two people together-linked roles, and if they know each other to be town, why ask anyone else. Other people cannot be trusted until there is proof. So why bother asking a person who you can't trust when there is someone you can.

 

Hallia can be corroborated based on Tina's flip somewhat.

 

But until that nothing.

 

There was absolutely no necessity IMO and potentially risky. So I find it scummy.

 

Bold - This was before Tina's flip, so I don't get how that factors in. I would think it would be a good way to question Hallia. Also, could potentially give insight into a power that a possible scum (NB) had. If she was supposedly able to keep him from doing anything, but he was able to do it, then that would shed at least a little bit of light on what he or his team might have to combat town.

 

That is what I said. She can be corroborated now. Look at the line after that. Until that happened, no reason for Nolder.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Why did you have to ask Hallia if you wanted to ask Tommy. That is what bugs me. If you have a partner on a qt who has the answer to your question,why do you have to ask someone else? That is why it appears to be suspicious.

If you have the ability to ask two different parties what is going on, why would you stick to just one?

 

Everyone has been saying that these two are masons. Tommy clears Nolder on basis of his posts on their qt.

 

If they are two people together-linked roles, and if they know each other to be town, why ask anyone else. Other people cannot be trusted until there is proof. So why bother asking a person who you can't trust when there is someone you can.

 

Hallia can be corroborated based on Tina's flip somewhat.

 

But until that nothing.

 

There was absolutely no necessity IMO and potentially risky. So I find it scummy.

 

Bold - This was before Tina's flip, so I don't get how that factors in. I would think it would be a good way to question Hallia. Also, could potentially give insight into a power that a possible scum (NB) had. If she was supposedly able to keep him from doing anything, but he was able to do it, then that would shed at least a little bit of light on what he or his team might have to combat town.

 

We were able to clear up why his power was able to work.