[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Myndrunner]

if not Bob was not cscume a scum should have jumped on him by now since they have to follow me anyhow because the town dice. This is circumstantial logic iknowbut practically it makes sense. I also only suspect close because he has been lazy whereas mind is openly stomach, has little interaction with nyn and has been buddying me hard

 

Ok Darthe, i gotta just ask....are you, perchance, on your iPhone with auto correct?

[Darthe]

I think it odd that there have been no other votes on NB.  We have three days, I'll consider statements until then.  [/unvote]

 

My restrictions are this for all of you: I am only willing to vote from Notbob, Clov and Mynd.  I don't care what you think of anyone else, don't even mention them.  Find me your top two in there and sell me on why the other one is town.  

 

I'll be reading and waiting.  

[Darthe]

 

if not Bob was not cscume a scum should have jumped on him by now since they have to follow me anyhow because the town dice. This is circumstantial logic iknowbut practically it makes sense. I also only suspect close because he has been lazy whereas mind is openly stomach, has little interaction with nyn and has been buddying me hard

 

Ok Darthe, i gotta just ask....are you, perchance, on your iPhone with auto correct?

 

Yes.  Tommy was a good lad and picked up what I meant to type at the time.  Still, that wasn't bad for galaxy voice texting.

[Myndrunner]

Does anyone besides NotBob think that the scum team is ????/NotBob ?

[RandA lThor]

 

 

if not Bob was not cscume a scum should have jumped on him by now since they have to follow me anyhow because the town dice. This is circumstantial logic iknowbut practically it makes sense. I also only suspect close because he has been lazy whereas mind is openly stomach, has little interaction with nyn and has been buddying me hard

 

Ok Darthe, i gotta just ask....are you, perchance, on your iPhone with auto correct?

 

Yes.  Tommy was a good lad and picked up what I meant to type at the time.  Still, that wasn't bad for galaxy voice texting.

 

Wow voice texting.  Lol no wonder that was weird.

 

 

I think it odd that there have been no other votes on NB.  We have three days, I'll consider statements until then.  [/unvote]

 

My restrictions are this for all of you: I am only willing to vote from Notbob, Clov and Mynd.  I don't care what you think of anyone else, don't even mention them.  Find me your top two in there and sell me on why the other one is town.  

 

I'll be reading and waiting.  

Lol dude, my two possible teams were Clov/Mynd and Clov/NotBob.  I can't sell you on one of them being town cause idk.  I'm more sure on Clov being scum than one of them being town.

[Myndrunner]

Rand, so gun to head, you would lynch Clov over NotBob?

[Tommyrod]

I'm considering NB as fully outed. He's the best lynch in terms of voting for the most likely scum. We need to find the townie between Mynd and Clov. So we're in okay shape. We can do that.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

 

 

if not Bob was not cscume a scum should have jumped on him by now since they have to follow me anyhow because the town dice. This is circumstantial logic iknowbut practically it makes sense. I also only suspect close because he has been lazy whereas mind is openly stomach, has little interaction with nyn and has been buddying me hard

Ok Darthe, i gotta just ask....are you, perchance, on your iPhone with auto correct?

Yes. Tommy was a good lad and picked up what I meant to type at the time. Still, that wasn't bad for galaxy voice texting.

Wow voice texting. Lol no wonder that was weird.

 

I think it odd that there have been no other votes on NB. We have three days, I'll consider statements until then. [/unvote]

 

My restrictions are this for all of you: I am only willing to vote from Notbob, Clov and Mynd. I don't care what you think of anyone else, don't even mention them. Find me your top two in there and sell me on why the other one is town.

 

I'll be reading and waiting.

Lol dude, my two possible teams were Clov/Mynd and Clov/NotBob. I can't sell you on one of them being town cause idk. I'm more sure on Clov being scum than one of them being town.

Think you're dead wrong on NB. If I had a vig I would off him right now.

[RandA lThor]

Rand, so gun to head, you would lynch Clov over NotBob?

Don't even need the gun to my head, I would lynch Clov over NB right now.

[Tommyrod]

Mynd, what did I say earlier that made you 180 on me?

 

Clov, what did you see from me that made you feel better about me?

[Clovdyx]

Open ninded basically. Not locked into a read, willing to reevaluate

[RandA lThor]

Open ninded basically. Not locked into a read, willing to reevaluate

 

Just saying, in end game, that can be a scumtell more than a towntell.  Mafia's willing to lynch any town as long as it secures them the win.

[Myndrunner]

Mynd, what did I say earlier that made you 180 on me?

 

Clov, what did you see from me that made you feel better about me?

 

It was my re-read and the logic of the double rush on Drunk Tank.   I started full-on casing you and I was in the middle of writing about how you rushed the vote then the logic started messing with me.  I don't think you can be scum with NotBob and it doesn't make any sense that you would vote in tandem with Clov on Drunk Tank like how it happened.   Your interaction with NotBob would have been more cohesive if you were purposely distancing yourselves together.    NotBob strikes me as one who knows he's on the chopping block.  Why would he suddenly FOS you now?

 

The only thing that still bugs me is......why are you still here?  Why haven't you been NK'd yet?

[Clovdyx]

I dont think it was that late. Ill check timestamps to verify but read like a genuine attempt to adhust on my reread.

[RandA lThor]

 

Mynd, what did I say earlier that made you 180 on me?

 

Clov, what did you see from me that made you feel better about me?

 

It was my re-read and the logic of the double rush on Drunk Tank.   I started full-on casing you and I was in the middle of writing about how you rushed the vote then the logic started messing with me.  I don't think you can be scum with NotBob and it doesn't make any sense that you would vote in tandem with Clov on Drunk Tank like how it happened.   Your interaction with NotBob would have been more cohesive if you were purposely distancing yourselves together.    NotBob strikes me as one who knows he's on the chopping block.  Why would he suddenly FOS you now?

 

The only thing that still bugs me is......why are you still here?  Why haven't you been NK'd yet?

 

Lol so basically the same reasons I had, except from your POV Tommy/Mynd isn't possible.

[Darthe]

I would have preferred NB out of the picture. I trusted the group over my gut on DT but I dont think he would be nearly so frustrating here.

[Myndrunner]

I would have preferred NB out of the picture. I trusted the group over my gut on DT but I dont think he would be nearly so frustrating here.

 

Wait, what?  I'm confused.  What do you mean you trusted the group over your gut on DT? 

[Tommyrod]

 

Open ninded basically. Not locked into a read, willing to reevaluate

 

Just saying, in end game, that can be a scumtell more than a towntell.  Mafia's willing to lynch any town as long as it secures them the win.

 

 

I know what you mean, but it's far more pro-town to be "unclear" everyone who isn't mechanically clear at must lynch and then re-evaluate from there, do re-reads, force thunderdomes for clarity, and so on. The people I consider to be the best villagers very rarely make mistakes at must lynch for this reason; seeing that they're alive, their first thought is "which wolf would have brought me here, and who does he want me to vote?" followed by "I'm unclearing everyone just to be sure I didn't mess things up."

 

Clov: that's it? I'm open minded? I was hoping for something more specific.

[Tommyrod]

 

Mynd, what did I say earlier that made you 180 on me?

 

Clov, what did you see from me that made you feel better about me?

 

It was my re-read and the logic of the double rush on Drunk Tank.   I started full-on casing you and I was in the middle of writing about how you rushed the vote then the logic started messing with me.  I don't think you can be scum with NotBob and it doesn't make any sense that you would vote in tandem with Clov on Drunk Tank like how it happened.   Your interaction with NotBob would have been more cohesive if you were purposely distancing yourselves together.    NotBob strikes me as one who knows he's on the chopping block.  Why would he suddenly FOS you now?

 

The only thing that still bugs me is......why are you still here?  Why haven't you been NK'd yet?

 

 

Scum knows I'm so powerful that the bullet would bounce off of me and kill them instead.

 

But it's a good lesson -- don't take me to Must Lynch. I tend to get clear.

[Tommyrod]

Mynd, some understanding on how you went from "the DT hammer was coordinated" to "the DT hammer wouldn't be coordinated" would help me.

[Clovdyx]

Went back and checked now that I'm home.  The post I mentioned in ISO was from July 23rd, which was still D1.  TG and Tom went back and forth most of the day phase, but towards the end, he basically proved himself wrong and seemingly moved on towards analyzing the rest of the game.  If it had been the most recent phase I would probably be more concerned about it just being dropping a suspect for a more opportune lynch, but it was before anybody had been lynched.

 

(Spoiler is 2nd ISO from earlier where post was quoted, with timestamp of post in question in red)

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Clov

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Clov

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.


Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default?

For sure. He was effective like that in Twilight mafia. He was one of the more consensus clear players until must lynch. It's part of why I don't trust him in general. But we've had two really good collaborative town/town games where I felt good about him right away despite always tinfoiling a little bit on him. He had the same air to him early on. If his posting has dropped off hard I haven't noticed and that could be an actual scum tell for him. But he's a strong player and not someone I advocate lynching on D1. (Tried once; oops.)

And I get that you're mocking me but yes, TG pushing two of the strongest players in the game on D1 has me concerned. If he's scum it's a good tactic because he'll be able to "park" his vote on me for a while as it's really hard to get me lynched, so he avoids spewing other players for as long as I'm alive and he can keep harassing me... and if people get paranoid and I get lynched, even better! I call this the Tom Park on POG, wolves do it to me there quite a bit, especially in larger games.

I saw he was still arguing against me with hypocritical reasoning (calling MY argument a misstep is pure fabrication when HIS argument is the sort of spin I expect of someone like Red). Will respond in full when I can get to a comp.

I would love your thoughts on him and his "argument."

And that's an open invitation to everyone, few people have really pressed either of us yet. I was surprised to see NB didn't get into the thick of it at all.

Salami, THAT is a guy in commentary mode.

 

 

 

Not wanting to lynch with his top scum suspect.  TG as the top suspect is dumb to me, but he's playing it correctly by staying off.  The fact Nyn was scum makes this look really good.

 

 

 

K since my last post.

Still think Tommy is town, but less than before due to some of the points TG made.

However, realized that both TG's and Tommy's scumminess might be exaggerated by large post counts. At some point, town will make scummy posts, and if town posts a lot, its more likely to think they're scum.

Lenlo is still a better read cause I have seen him be scummy and he hasn't posted a ginormous amount.

Most of the Clov tells are all based on meta, so still have very little read on him.

Which points did TG make that you liked? Almost everything he's said is scummy about me applies to him just as much if not more -- and THAT style of hypocritical projection argumentation is scummy. (It's also what NB is doing. You know, that guy he said I was scum with and then forgot about.)

 

 

 

I know it applies to him too, that's why he's one of my top scum reads lol.

Don't Darthe me, bro. Just tell me.

 

 

I like the actual question to Rand about TG, though the follow up statement seems unnecessary.  What I said earlier about Town!Mynd should be actually considering TG's response to his case applies to Tom here - if he actually wants to work on a solve and figure out TG's alignment, there's no need to discredit him while trying to gain opinions.

 

 

TG,

I went back to see what your scum game was like when we were scumbros in Basel's Star Wars game.

And here's what I found:

Lots and lots of one-liners, a reactive rather than proactive playstyle, and large lapses in activity. You had 53 posts in that game, with 40+ of them being one or two sentences. Here are some of your bulkier quotes (there's not much):

 

 

TG the picture of your son is so cute!

Thanks!

Claimed with no heat in a game where there are no fakeclaims and he's not csarmi

He roleclaimed cop last game with like one vote on him as scum

Monk's outed

kill him

How on earth would you know whether or not there are fakeclaims unless you're scum? Am I misunderstanding here?

by talk of csarmi it is very, very, very likely scum have some character claims or else we'd all just massclaim and GAME OVAR

And now you're saying there are fakeclaims? Explain the sudden backtracking.

Good evening everyone, I am Krak.



Vote Tommy as I find him a despicable character.

Awesome OP.

 

 

I'll take it on context

I didn't notice at the time as I was too busy IRL most of the weekend and was more focused on the Nol debate. I'll go back and look.

 

 

*continues to eat popcorn*

 

Checking in. Game isn't even half a day old and already almost 10 pages? This is gonna be fun :-)

Only two things worth commenting on. CS's play is crap, but I'm leaning town because I've seen it from him before. The spam is over the top tho.

Has Tommy played here before? Because he and Des are tops on my list for scum. I agree with Nol that posting spammity spam and lurking are anti-town. Tommy and Des both seem to be purposely misunderstanding what Nol is saying and painting it as a black or white type thing. Des at least shouldn't be purposely misunderstanding this as he is a DM vet.

Just wanna point out what still remains the scummiest OP in the game as well as one of the scummiest posts.

Anyways, italics is a prime example of what I was talking about scum would likely do- either distance or stay away from the Nolder train. TG hardcore defends Nolder and fos's me and Tom, saying we're deliberately misunderstanding Nolder. Could easily see scum!TG deciding to do this to try and later use a Nolder flip against us.

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question. Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves.

As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out. Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment. And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum. I have a town read on him.

After Nol asks for a replacement, TG comes in and says a Nol lynch is out of the question and that his replacement will have to speak for themselves... looks to me like a scummie trying to save a lynch for later (using the early Nol stuff and replacing out to implicate his replacement at some future day)

We can lynch whoever replacing in for Nol, when that happens. Until then, at least from my experience, the Mod will remove all Nol votes and that slot basically doesn't exist until someone fills it.

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game. I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

Bold: TG links Nolder to Tina here, saying if he flipped mafia she'd be his teammate, thereby potentially setting her up to look better in his eyes with a Nol town flip.

Underlined: Lynching "for info" eh? Scum will often push lynches as "info" lynches early on, to try and be on a train while not looking too committed to it.

At that point, there was a bit of firing the brush in making it more black and white than it is. Spammy posting to the point of obscuring the thread and lurking to give no info are both anti-town IMO. I think Nol is scummy more for his gameplay since (see below) and the Tina/Kronos/Nol interactions than I do for scumhunting in spammers and lurkers.

Then again, I'm still pissed that I got lynched D1 last game for just posting a count of low posters to get them to post more and saying that lurking doesn't help town.

Main thing I don't like about this post is the last little bit- TG brings up what he did last game (when he was lynched town) in a possible attempt to make himself look townie this game.

MOD QUESTION

Nol has quit and therefore all votes on Nol are reset, correct?

TG possibly playing the "helpful townie" angle

 

Firing the brush to catch slips is one thing. Purposely taking things out of context, purposely misinterpreting, and purposely pushing people with trumped up cases for the sole purpose of frustrating them is another. I've never really agreed with your method of scumhunting because your "cases" do more to frustrate than anything else. Scum, because they are already acting, will have a more reasonable reaction to your purposeful frustration tactics whereas town will get more angry and upset since that is a more honest and natural reaction. In the end it muddies the water and doesn't help catch scum. Case in point? Nolder. I thought that you were purposely taking it too far and purposely misunderstanding him and that, to me, is either scummy or not good town scumhunting play. So, that is why I said I didn't like it and I still don't. His continued play after that gave me a scum lean on him, but the early on stuff by you and Tommy was trumped up and gave me a scum lean on you two for pushing it.

What bothers me most about your whole post is this. You are seeding a reaction. I said early on that you were pushing a trumped up case. You yourself admit that you do this often. Well, I think it's scumtastic and said so. Your response is to say that I'm laying the groundwork for a future push, thereby trying to future-proof yourself against any scumhunting I do on you throughout the rest of the game. Then you go through and "analyze" each post with that conclusion in mind, making each post I've written conform to that already reached conclusion. Moreso, it colors how everyone else is going to read our interactions. You consistently do stuff like this when you're scum, trying to future-proof yourself against any push on you by discrediting anyone in thread who is suspicious of you.

 

 

Good books and well worth reading. Just skip books 7,8,9, lol

I thought Monk to start the day, then he claimed Han. I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP. Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS. Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral.

 

 

I don't think TG really understands me

I guess not.

How can you be null on me

HOW

I think there is scum in the #alliance crew and I have both town and anti-town pings on you. I don't like how you and Despo seemed to misinterpret Nol's posts right off the bat. You've been actively scumhunting and very pro-town. So null. If I was forced to pick one way or another I'd say town lean based on the fact that your posts look genuine and you look more concerned with scumhunting than keeping yourself clean.

 

 

I'm not sure how you can tell me I'm actively scumhunting and yet I'm null, then tell me Despot and I were just "misinterpreting" Nolder's posts. Did another seven people also misinterpret it? Or do you think they're all scum? Look at the EOD1 votes:


Quoting you: "I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP. Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS. Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral. "

That means you think SP, AJ, Salami, Darthe and possibly Golden all "misinterpreted" Nolder as well since you think they're town or null, right?

You and Des purposely pushed it with Nold by misinterpreting his words as black or white at the outset. That is what I didn't like.

Then, as the situation progressed, Nol melted down and looked scummy. As it continued to progress I thought Nol looked scummy throughout the next few RL days and X's defense didn't help. A lot happened between that initial interaction, which I didn't like, to a couple days later when Nol/X got lynched.

 

From an objective standpoint what I see here are vague leanings, a reticence to speak before spoken to, and a general lack of that sharpness I associate with your town game. So your current postcount and thread awareness and aggression points to you being town unless you've enhanced your scum game considerably in the past half year.

And for the record I DO think you're a good player and don't look down on you.

But you need to understand -- I've been adjusting my style SPECIFICALLY to be more objective and avoid a repeat of the debacle that occurred in Blackhoof's game where I was kicking and screaming and ended up getting killed while appealing to the players I was correctly clearing as they lynched me D1 anyway.

So here's the last I'm going to say about it: what you see as me over-inflating my towniness isn't an attempt to clear myself, it's my tendency to break the fourth wall and speak very matter-of-fact about my meta and the going-ons of games. I got lynched for this in Blackhoof's game as well. What you view as manipulation or intimidation is my exasperation for being pushed D1 in a game immediately after I specifically change my play to avoid that situation. I hate being pushed D1, it feels like a personal dig at me, and I tend to get paranoid and assume players pushing me D1 are scum because "how could he suspect ME?" It's difficult for me to believe that *I* am the scummiest player in the thread to you, or to anyone. It's so difficult for me to believe that my gut reaction to seeing someone typically level headed like you espousing it is "he's full of crap." That's doubly true for arguments like this where it feels like you're taking MY arguments against you and pushing them against me and hoping nobody notices. It's a bit of an ego thing, and I'll try to be more mindful of it going forward.

So I'm going to move on; I think discussing the other players, particularly those who have been happy to let this probable town/town argument brew without jumping into the thread to deflect the energy, is the +EV play.

NotBob -- you lumped me together with him for reasons I still don't understand, but you can't ignore how bad his "case" on me has been. I imagine him like Dick Dastardly from the Wacky Racers, twirling his waxed mustache as he makes posts like "lol...ur scum...u know it and i know it now." He completely ignored me backhanding him and has completely ignored you and me going at it other than to egg on Tommy hate with flaccid "nice one!" commentary.

Darthe -- since we started fighting he's gone into joking summary mode and not provided a smidge of reasoning that I can find, and his clearance of me was pretty poor. I don't expect a lot from Darthe, but I expect more than this. I have no idea what he meant by Salami fishing for dirt to throw around or whatever, Salami was just being matter-of-fact. Clov pointed out how he said he'd be reading the heads separately, but he seems to be ignoring BFG.

Drunk -- he's about as subdued as is possible, and in a game that's been fairly active and fraught with bickering, that's bad. Can you remember his stances in this game? His only vote so far is a classic "talk about one player, vote for another" scum post.

And I know you're currently ಠ_ಠing at Mynd; I recognize that his failure to update any of his reads since about 2 days ago is odd considering he's been around since then, and that his acting like I was seconding his case on you when I had different reasons for being skeptical of you is also unusual, but I like that he's unwilling to clear anyone and I can see why he's been on your case -> I saw the same lolhorribad reaction you had to his initial casing of you that he saw.

While I wrote this it's dawning on me I have almost zero conception of where Len or Rand currently stand (though based purely on the threadflow perspective, gun to my head, Rand is town). I need to go back and do a clean sweep of the thread.

 

This is probably Tom's best post in the thread I've seen so far and tells a lot about his alignment IMO (unless him and TG are both mafia, in which case I quit).  It doesn't make a whole lot sense for scum!Tom to go back and make a meta assessment of TG in this game that discredits all of the work he put into pushing TG to this point.  Unless he's waving the white flag because he just doesn't care anymore, the bolded is something mafia wouldn't say.  He's essentially removing TG from his pool of mislynches.

 

 

 

 

 

Tom - I was on my phone at dinner so that was the TL;DR.  Bottom of the ISO is the specific post that made me pretty comfortable reading you as town.  Going back and disproving your own argument that early in the game doesn't seem to have a pro-mafia agenda, and I don't remember you really getting back at TG after that.

[Myndrunner]

Mynd, some understanding on how you went from "the DT hammer was coordinated" to "the DT hammer wouldn't be coordinated" would help me.

 

Noob players would totally panic and do that; however, I don't see you and Clov doing that together.  Unless there was an epic miscommunication on your mafia QT, I doubt that both you and Clov would dogpile DT at that moment together.  I think it definitely took you by surprise to find Clov voting at that same moment.  The move itself is scummy and I'm sure one of you is scum.

 

This makes me doubt a Clov/Tommy mafia team.

 

Therefore, from my POV, the most likely team would either be a Clov/NotBob or Tommy/Notbob. 

 

How clear is Rand to you?

[Clovdyx]

Mynd - do you think it would have looked better, or worse, if Drunk had flipped scum?

[Myndrunner]

Mynd - do you think it would have looked better, or worse, if Drunk had flipped scum?

 

See, that's the thing.  Up until that point, I believed Darthe as uncc'd cop and I was all for the DT lynch until that moment.  I didn't expect Darthe to lie, which doesn't always mean scum, but was an odd way to go since up until then, I was retro-casing my reads with a scum DT flip. 

 

Only mafia truly know who is not mafia among us in a basic game.  The mafia had to know that we were on the wrong trail with DT.  It looked very suspicious and something two noob mafias would do.....but I don't see you and Tommy doing that together.  The only way I see you both as mafia doing that is if you both didn't discuss it in the mafia QT first and both had the same knee jerk reaction at the same time.  That was my thought for a while. 

 

I didn't like Tommy's insistence on discussing the TG/Me stuff prior to the beginning of D4. 

 

If Drunk had flipped scum, I don't think I would have thought much about it.  Sure, we could have been talking more about how maybe you guys bussed him because of the read, but you should have let the guy show up and talk. 

 

Why do you have a clear on Rand?

[Tommyrod]

Tommy was right.....a game full of unreadable players.  For the most part....

 

Townitown Mansion

 

 

 

Myndrunner - Yes, I may be old, but I'm still a townie who can think for himself without the MCP looking over his shoulder.  Get off my motherboard you dang kids!

 

 

 

 

Slightly Town Condos

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nullville Apartments

 

 

Drunk Tank - First few posts established himself well, he won't be a vegetable.  He seems to be trying and following along but hasn't quite assymilated the culture yet, which isn't a bad thing.  Feels like my drunk uncle signing up in my fantasy football league and then mixing it up with my friends during the live draft.  "Joe Montana is an American Icon, dammit! *hic*  They named a STATE after him! *BURP!*"  Like this post right here trying to get the game moving. Good overall grasp of decent mafia play here.

 

BeefArmi - Another tough read.  Townish early posts, but I don't like this sheep-vote of Darthe with TG.  The Armi part of the hydra seems like applying the right amount of pressure without coming across as a witchhunter. 

 

Vos - A little more jovial than normal in this game.  Makes a point about "sitting back" usually means scum here. The fact that my #1 FOS is calling him LOCKTOWN bothers me.  His debate with Rand seems like two townies arguing semantics while wagging FOS at each other.  I typically have a town read on Vos and a scum read on Rand regardless of alignment.  Good reasoning like this one here.

 

NotBob - ランドの固体を読むここで.   彼はかなりの変態ファンですHentai 私は見ているよりもっとたくさん冗談を言ってください。 Nyn's Boobs は彼を気が散る.  良い質問です!!!  LOL

TommyRod - The contract, to me, seems like a townie who doesn't want emotions (his or others) to distract from scumhunting.  Sitting back with popcorn is something Vos should have pounced on.  He seems like he's trying to play objectively and not let emotions cloud his judgement.  That would be a townie play, but then again, he's letting a lot of us do the scumhunt work for him.  Hence: popcorn.

 

Rand al'Thor - I don't like his initial vote, seemed like he overkilled the explanation and even had to edit it.  The fact that it was on me is actually only a small part of it.  Tommy adds to my initial FOS here. His explanation to his OMGUS on Vos makes me hate puppies.  Agreeing with me normally makes me nervous (because I rarely agree with me unless I'm scum) but this is reinforcing what I did and TG's reaction.

 

Nynlia - Normal NynLia play so far.  Nyn antagonistic and Hally being over-buddying.  Nothing stands out as scum or town so far, which means they are probably scum.  Not enough to push them in either direction at this point.  Like BeefArmi said, we need more.

 

 

 

 

Slightly Scum Motel

 

 

Darthe - This post makes me have the diabetes.  Basically, he is saying everyone who posted before him is town except Drunk Tank.  His "slightly town" lean on Tommy seems like he wants to say "SCUM" but doesn't want to take on Tommy just yet.  He's gone for a while and explains this because life happens, but his return to game post is half-arsed and all over the place.  He gets a scum read on NotBob but totally misses the L1 comment as Tommy points out here.  Locks Leno as town because....why? and a GFY to me?  Darthe slightly scum.

Clov - My only reference to Kronos in this game will be to point out TG going after Kronos (an inactive) so early in the game.  This read will be 100% Clov..........um, yeah.....so.  *shrugs*   Nyn points out his lack of aggressive gameplay.  This isn't a townie Clov. 

 

 

 

 

Scum Salad Projects

 

 

TG - I find his reaction to my case (weak or not) incredibly off the charts and that makes him my number one scumbad at the time.  Don't let the cute puppy fool you, he starts off with his retort to Lenlo here then promptly votes an inactive in his second post right after it.   Kissing up to Tommy here then hastily deflects to ask Tommy about Vos here.   More kissing up here and here like he's running for TOWNIEST of TOWNIES.  Then flails when I case him, and promises that he will brb when my case will be destroyed by the destroyer's hand of destruction.  Won't lynch DT because he's new to DM?     Here is his "explanation" when pressed by Nyn.  (My first case on TG here)

 

This = my case being "destroyed"

 

Lenlo - Between the two, he responded only slightly better than TG to my casing report.  It started with his "joke" vote of TG here.  The interaction that got me more suspicious started here so read it yourself and lemme know what you think.  Seemed like a "HEY YOU" which amounted to a silly gif.  VERY suspicious.  The extent that the two of them slammed my case, weak or not, was quite an overreaction.  It was less explaining and more aimed at discrediting me.  This also stood out to me.

 

 

 

 

 

Mynd, knowing what we know now, I hate this post.

 

A lot of your reasoning is shallow or unexplained, like Darthe being scum for trying to placate me (which assumes I'm town, which is funny since I'm not in your town list, nobody is) or Len being scum because he made a joke vote on TG or agreed with TG that your case was bad. You try to FOS Vos for not jumping on me for saying popcorn (?). Your read on Drunk looks like a capricious clear of a non-threatening player. The post you linked to saying DT was getting the game going is nonsense. You use a point Nyn made to call Clov scummy, then call Nyn scum but put her in the null category anyway. You didn't say anything about NB at all, just linked to 3 of his most trollish posts.

 

???

 

In that post you said "I typically have a town read on Vos and a scum read on Rand regardless of alignment." You asked me about Rand, what's your interpretation of him? If you usually have a scum read on him, what does that say about him (or you) that you haven't been pushing him in this game? Is he unusually townie to you this game?