[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Tyler Glembo]

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

I disagree purely based of NB's meta.  I've played with him before and I don't think I've ever really seen him put forth legit effort in the way you or I would recognize.  I agree with you mostly based off scum!spew.

 

But agree or disagree, we need a more open discussion that to just go after him since another mislynch and we are at lylo (assuming 3 scum).

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Well, if everyone in the game said my case was terribad, you would have a point. But many have said that the terribad part was the connection between you and Lenlo.

 

Besides, Its not my original case that leads me to believe you are likely scum. It's your reaction to it. Over-reaction that is. Then you come out the gate D2 voting me, foaming at the mouth like a rabid puppy.

 

You do realize we both just did exactly what Tommy wanted us to do, right?

Meaning what?

You got me and TG back arguing again by simply asking the question.

 

Maybe you could help. Do you think TG's reaction to my case on him was sound or overplayed? You called my case a 4/10, what part was the 4?

You don't get to simultaneously buff your argument by saying I supported it and then call me out for bringing it up for discussion again.

 

The 4 is a combination of effort and seeing the same thing I saw in TG - inconsistency. You lost points for making stretched arguments. The collusion in scum chat argument you made with TG and Lenlo was a reach. Saying he's scum for asking for less spam was a reach. I agreed with your ultimate conclusion (TG is scummy) but not with how you got there.

 

TG's immediate reaction (I specifically remember the line "hold your breath") was over the top and sounded like caught off guard scum.

 

As the game progressed and we got to arguing more I doubted that TG had quite this much fight in him as a wolf, and that's where I've been since then. I brought this topic up to make sure that was still a good read or whether it should be reconsidered now that the game is nearing an end.

[Tommyrod]

 

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

 

I disagree purely based of NB's meta.  I've played with him before and I don't think I've ever really seen him put forth legit effort in the way you or I would recognize.  I agree with you mostly based off scum!spew.

 

But agree or disagree, we need a more open discussion that to just go after him since another mislynch and we are at lylo (assuming 3 scum).

I agree, but we have to start somewhere. That's where my NB is the scummiest player in the thread, let's look for NB connections thinking stems from, and that's why I'm trying to open minded just in case there's something missing.

[Tommyrod]

Nobody discussed my Nyn-Hallia spew analysis other than Rand saying it's not clearing for me.

 

So let's discuss it.

 

Do you agree or disagree with my interpretation that

 

A) Spew looks good for me

B) Spew looks good for Clov

 

If you disagree, then elaborate and tell me what YOU see.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

Rand, TG wasn't viewed due to timing (there haven't been enough nights), though at this point I don't think we should be advocating to lynch him anyway.

Thanks for the heads up that you submitted the kill on me.

With snark like that I just might!

 

Mynd's symp talk got me thinking about remaining pairs. The most likely pair is NB/Clov, but if one (or both) are villas we have a big problem. You and Mynd could be a pair with intense distancing, but it seems far far more likely that NB would be a wolf with someone than you two being wolves together. So NB and Clov, or NB and X? You guys saw the posts I pulled between Clov and Nyn; that's a very unusual reaction Nyn had to catching heat for voting Clov if they're w/w. So who else fits with NB? Rand for hard defending NB based on meta? TG for tagging out NB while NB went silent after I called him out mid D1 and they pushed me for dubious hypocritical reasons? Mynd doesn't really fit.

I'm not mafia, I promise it

[Tommyrod]

You could be.

 

But obviously X as in the unknown variable.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Rand, TG wasn't viewed due to timing (there haven't been enough nights), though at this point I don't think we should be advocating to lynch him anyway.

Thanks for the heads up that you submitted the kill on me.

With snark like that I just might!

 

Mynd's symp talk got me thinking about remaining pairs. The most likely pair is NB/Clov, but if one (or both) are villas we have a big problem. You and Mynd could be a pair with intense distancing, but it seems far far more likely that NB would be a wolf with someone than you two being wolves together. So NB and Clov, or NB and X? You guys saw the posts I pulled between Clov and Nyn; that's a very unusual reaction Nyn had to catching heat for voting Clov if they're w/w. So who else fits with NB? Rand for hard defending NB based on meta? TG for tagging out NB while NB went silent after I called him out mid D1 and they pushed me for dubious hypocritical reasons? Mynd doesn't really fit.

 

 

This is so full of lies I do not know where to begin.

 

Wow!

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

Rand, TG wasn't viewed due to timing (there haven't been enough nights), though at this point I don't think we should be advocating to lynch him anyway.

Thanks for the heads up that you submitted the kill on me.

With snark like that I just might!

 

Mynd's symp talk got me thinking about remaining pairs. The most likely pair is NB/Clov, but if one (or both) are villas we have a big problem. You and Mynd could be a pair with intense distancing, but it seems far far more likely that NB would be a wolf with someone than you two being wolves together. So NB and Clov, or NB and X? You guys saw the posts I pulled between Clov and Nyn; that's a very unusual reaction Nyn had to catching heat for voting Clov if they're w/w. So who else fits with NB? Rand for hard defending NB based on meta? TG for tagging out NB while NB went silent after I called him out mid D1 and they pushed me for dubious hypocritical reasons? Mynd doesn't really fit.

You make the assumption that it is NB. Why not Rand and Mynd? Why not you and Clov?

 

Leading with NB as def!scum doesn't make sense.

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

 

Yes.

[Xthrax]

Mod is awesome not mafia.

 

Algebra, huh

[Tommyrod]

The trolling act wore thin a week ago.

[Myndrunner]

 

 

 

Well, if everyone in the game said my case was terribad, you would have a point. But many have said that the terribad part was the connection between you and Lenlo.

 

Besides, Its not my original case that leads me to believe you are likely scum. It's your reaction to it. Over-reaction that is. Then you come out the gate D2 voting me, foaming at the mouth like a rabid puppy.

 

You do realize we both just did exactly what Tommy wanted us to do, right?

Meaning what?

You got me and TG back arguing again by simply asking the question.

 

Maybe you could help. Do you think TG's reaction to my case on him was sound or overplayed? You called my case a 4/10, what part was the 4?

You don't get to simultaneously buff your argument by saying I supported it and then call me out for bringing it up for discussion again.

 

 

What I am saying is that with your question about if we cooled or not, it sparked up the argument again.  I implied that maybe that is what you wanted us to do.  It was just a suggestion that you were firing us back up.  If it was your intention, it worked.

 

TG is not my only FOS, in fact he currently like #4 or even #5 at this point; however, no matter how he spins it, his reaction was way over the top. 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

I disagree purely based of NB's meta.  I've played with him before and I don't think I've ever really seen him put forth legit effort in the way you or I would recognize.  I agree with you mostly based off scum!spew.

 

But agree or disagree, we need a more open discussion that to just go after him since another mislynch and we are at lylo (assuming 3 scum).

I agree, but we have to start somewhere. That's where my NB is the scummiest player in the thread, let's look for NB connections thinking stems from, and that's why I'm trying to open minded just in case there's something missing.

 

 

Pretend your not scum for a moment.  Check your premise before connections.

 

Disregard.  Your scum.  

 

Way to run and hide on D2 with a nice blind hammer routine with Clov on D3.  Very well orchestrated.

 

Props to the scum team.

[Myndrunner]

 

 

 

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

I disagree purely based of NB's meta.  I've played with him before and I don't think I've ever really seen him put forth legit effort in the way you or I would recognize.  I agree with you mostly based off scum!spew.

 

But agree or disagree, we need a more open discussion that to just go after him since another mislynch and we are at lylo (assuming 3 scum).

I agree, but we have to start somewhere. That's where my NB is the scummiest player in the thread, let's look for NB connections thinking stems from, and that's why I'm trying to open minded just in case there's something missing.

 

 

Pretend your not scum for a moment.  Check your premise before connections.

 

Disregard.  Your scum.  

 

Way to run and hide on D2 with a nice blind hammer routine with Clov on D3.  Very well orchestrated.

 

Props to the scum team.

 

 

What do you mean by that?  Are you saying that Tommy and Clov hammered Drunk Tank because they knew he was town?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

Well, if everyone in the game said my case was terribad, you would have a point. But many have said that the terribad part was the connection between you and Lenlo.

Besides, Its not my original case that leads me to believe you are likely scum. It's your reaction to it. Over-reaction that is. Then you come out the gate D2 voting me, foaming at the mouth like a rabid puppy.You do realize we both just did exactly what Tommy wanted us to do, right?

 

Meaning what?

You got me and TG back arguing again by simply asking the question.

Maybe you could help. Do you think TG's reaction to my case on him was sound or overplayed? You called my case a 4/10, what part was the 4?

You don't get to simultaneously buff your argument by saying I supported it and then call me out for bringing it up for discussion again.

 

What I am saying is that with your question about if we cooled or not, it sparked up the argument again.  I implied that maybe that is what you wanted us to do.  It was just a suggestion that you were firing us back up.  If it was your intention, it worked.

 

TG is not my only FOS, in fact he currently like #4 or even #5 at this point; however, no matter how he spins it, his reaction was way over the top.

The primary reason I asked is to see if there's a chance you two are w/w. I found it odd that the fighting, which was initially severe, stopped and I hadn't seen it again despite us approaching endgame -- now is the right time for townies to bring out the tinfoil caps and discuss their early game scum leans.

 

More discussion is always better than less.

 

Is there anything rattling around in your mind that you think is worth discussing now?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

I disagree purely based of NB's meta.  I've played with him before and I don't think I've ever really seen him put forth legit effort in the way you or I would recognize.  I agree with you mostly based off scum!spew.

 

But agree or disagree, we need a more open discussion that to just go after him since another mislynch and we are at lylo (assuming 3 scum).

I agree, but we have to start somewhere. That's where my NB is the scummiest player in the thread, let's look for NB connections thinking stems from, and that's why I'm trying to open minded just in case there's something missing.

 

 

Pretend your not scum for a moment.  Check your premise before connections.

 

Disregard.  Your scum.  

 

Way to run and hide on D2 with a nice blind hammer routine with Clov on D3.  Very well orchestrated.

 

Props to the scum team.

 

 

What do you mean by that?  Are you saying that Tommy and Clov hammered Drunk Tank because they knew he was town?

 

 

Yes.  In fact I am.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

 

I disagree purely based of NB's meta.  I've played with him before and I don't think I've ever really seen him put forth legit effort in the way you or I would recognize.  I agree with you mostly based off scum!spew.

 

But agree or disagree, we need a more open discussion that to just go after him since another mislynch and we are at lylo (assuming 3 scum).

I agree, but we have to start somewhere. That's where my NB is the scummiest player in the thread, let's look for NB connections thinking stems from, and that's why I'm trying to open minded just in case there's something missing.

 

Pretend your not scum for a moment.  Check your premise before connections.

 

Disregard.  Your scum.  

 

Way to run and hide on D2 with a nice blind hammer routine with Clov on D3.  Very well orchestrated.

 

Props to the scum team.

 

What do you mean by that?  Are you saying that Tommy and Clov hammered Drunk Tank because they knew he was town?

That's exactly what he's saying. TG made the same comment yesterday.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

 

NB is by far the most likely scum of the remaining players based on lack of game solving effort and lack of clearing scum spew. Do you disagree with that?

 

I disagree purely based of NB's meta.  I've played with him before and I don't think I've ever really seen him put forth legit effort in the way you or I would recognize.  I agree with you mostly based off scum!spew.

 

But agree or disagree, we need a more open discussion that to just go after him since another mislynch and we are at lylo (assuming 3 scum).

I agree, but we have to start somewhere. That's where my NB is the scummiest player in the thread, let's look for NB connections thinking stems from, and that's why I'm trying to open minded just in case there's something missing.

 

Pretend your not scum for a moment.  Check your premise before connections.

 

Disregard.  Your scum.  

 

Way to run and hide on D2 with a nice blind hammer routine with Clov on D3.  Very well orchestrated.

 

Props to the scum team.

 

What do you mean by that?  Are you saying that Tommy and Clov hammered Drunk Tank because they knew he was town?

That's exactly what he's saying. TG made the same comment yesterday.

 

 

When your premise is wrong the connections are wrong.  

[Tommyrod]

That's like telling me water is wet except for when it isn't.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

That's like telling me water is wet except for when it isn't.

 

I'll bet you a screen name change that I am not scum.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

That's like telling me water is wet except for when it isn't.

 

 

I'll bet you a screen name change that I am not scum.

Bets are against the spirit of the game and are AtE. On some forums like 2+2 they are a modkillable offense.

 

You've had AMPLE time to stop trolling and start convincing. If you're not scum then we're highly likely to lose this game due to your nonchalance and bonehead attitude. If you really took this trolling line for an entire game and backed yourself into a corner as town I wouldn't want to play with you again. So RIGHT NOW is the time to step it up and show us who the most likely scumteam(s) are and why.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

That's like telling me water is wet except for when it isn't.

 

I'll bet you a screen name change that I am not scum.

Bets are against the spirit of the game and are AtE. On some forums like 2+2 they are a modkillable offense.

 

You've had AMPLE time to stop trolling and start convincing. If you're not scum then we're highly likely to lose this game due to your nonchalance and bonehead attitude. If you really took this trolling line for an entire game and backed yourself into a corner as town I wouldn't want to play with you again. So RIGHT NOW is the time to step it up and show us who the most likely scumteam(s) are and why.

 

 

I thought you were convinced.  I've played a far more townie game than you or your scum mate Clov.  So whatevs.

[Tommyrod]

You JUST made a post to me saying you'll bet me you're not scum -- implying you want me to read you as such. Now you're telling me I'm lock scum (which you've been trolling me with ever since I voted you D1, by the way) AFTER I just gave you a chance to actually play the goddamn game and clear yourself just in case you're an idiot?

 

No. Nobody is THIS thick. You're scum. If you weren't scum and we lost because you couldn't be bothered to make sense or back up the sniping shit-smearing statements you make, then I'm blaming you entirely in post game and I won't even feel bad.

[Darthe]

Nobody discussed my Nyn-Hallia spew analysis other than Rand saying it's not clearing for me.

 

So let's discuss it.

 

Do you agree or disagree with my interpretation that

 

A) Spew looks good for me

B) Spew looks good for Clov

 

If you disagree, then elaborate and tell me what YOU see.

 

I disagree. Your interpretations of your own spew look forced and I would only ever anticipate anti-spew between you and Nyn which is why it did jack to my read of you.  IMO you are the far best consideration for a tinfoil in this game and your links to clov lately are odd, especially in light of the double hammer.  That's cocky scum play or biased town/scum play.  I doubt significantly that both of you are town.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

You JUST made a post to me saying you'll bet me you're not scum -- implying you want me to read you as such. Now you're telling me I'm lock scum (which you've been trolling me with ever since I voted you D1, by the way) AFTER I just gave you a chance to actually play the goddamn game and clear yourself just in case you're an idiot?

 

No. Nobody is THIS thick. You're scum. If you weren't scum and we lost because you couldn't be bothered to make sense or back up the sniping shit-smearing statements you make, then I'm blaming you entirely in post game and I won't even feel bad.

 

Wow...the vitriol from you...you've done nothing this entire game but advance my lynch...and "accidentally" hammer DT.

 

But yeah, I'm scum.  UHhh...OK.

 

I'll wait for daybreak...maybe I'm the NK and you can spin away unchecked.

 

Good luck!

[Myndrunner]

If they are both mafia, then I don't think Tommy and Clov would have had much to gain by hammering before DT arrived, especially with one mafia already down.  That would have just implicated them both further.  I can see one of them being maf and doing so, but that was far too blatant for both of them, especially for players like them. 

 

I know you all think that characters don't matter, and nowadays they don't as much, but think about this.  There really were only a couple named baddies in the Tron film.  Sark, Dillinger, Sark's toadie, and the MCP.  Unless you count the generic Warrior/Guard characters (neon red storm trooper types) then I'd say there are likely only 2 mafias left.  And they are going to do what they can to distance themselves.