[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[hazelkrs1]

This is painful. I'm not even remotely kidding.

 

Why why WHY did I say I'd do a Red iso??????

 

Bleurgggggghhhhhhhhhhnnnnnngggghhhhaaahhh

 

I have found some juicy stuff tho. I'm considering stopping just with what I have...

[hazelkrs1]

WHELP

 

Got all the quotes grabbed at least

 

 

Also, I cheated and went and read the Son of Three Legged mafia game, totes reinvigorated my WIM levels

 

 

Also, I guarantee I won't be able to do this in one post, so yeah

[hazelkrs1]

Yall are legit gonna hate me but it will be soooooo much easier for me to chop the wots and show the parts I wanna show one by one. Her smaller posts I'll include in little groups.

 

But I KNOW that if either spoiler this, or do big wot's breaking down her wot's, well then the likelihood of anyone actually reading my case is virtually nil

 

So bear with me people

 

Andddddddd oh pooooooop I just realized I hadn't pasted what I just chopped before getting this bear meme so I have to reload my other page and rechop her first wot again

 

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That bear meme was so worth it tho

 

 

It wasn't, not at all

 

[hazelkrs1]

Also, I doubt I finish this before I leave

 

BLEURGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[hazelkrs1]

First wot:

 

 

 

 

I wasn't even worried looking at my Role PM

 

Knew I'd be a villager

 

corycurren never wrong (except those times he's hilariously wrong but this was not one of those times)

 

So yeah, get @ me, all that stuff, yadda yadda

 

Lock me in

 

ping

 

added in with your later protesting and saying over and over that your town.  feels liek your trying to sell a lie and make us all believe it.

 

 

on the reverse i also dislike this back and forth with you and Womby, feels gambity.

 

Villager checking in!

 

FoS, scummy OP is scummy  

 

 

 

Villager checking in!

 

This OP stuck out like a sore thumb. Miffed Des beat me to it, but yeah.

 

[vote]RTE[/vote]

 

 

[v]Vos[/v]

 

his OP may have been scummy, but your vote is scummier and opportunistic.  why you find RTE saying he's a villager scummy, but nothing about Cory who started the entire thing?

 

Left in the Cory FOS just because, but what pings about this post for me is her saying that RTE's OP was scummy, then IMMEDIATELY voting Vos because... he said RTE's OP was scummy

 

If Vos' vote was opportunistic, then Red's FOS was even MOAR opportunistic

 

That Red didn't see this blatant contradiction actually made me initially think her town- as in reckless town who isn't paying attention to their own hypocrisy town

 

In retrospect, my reasoning was flawed there. Red voting for Vos for voting for RTE's OP which SHE HERSELF CALLED SCUMMY, is well incredibly scummy. Vos even mentions how someone beat him to it (Darthe actually beat him to it, not me), which kinda shows that even tho Vos saw the same thing Darthe did, he wasn't really being opportunistic, just agreeing about something that was scummy. Red agreed herself, only difference is she arbitrarily decided to call Vos opportunistic for it

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

how about no. you're giving me a snake oil salesman feeling.

 

Just like dice in the last game? Who I told you was town and you were like nooooooooooooo so we copped him? and he was town?

 

gjge

 

@ Coy - you really dont want to get into a pissing contest about Nyn's buffy game. lets not forget i did have Len pegged when you were "nah they're town" in the QT dude

 

 

difference between you this game and Dice last game, aside form being different games, is that Dice did it in private PM convo to us; you OTOH are doing it game wide and trying to insert yourself as defacto game leader.

 

theres something rotten in Denmark.

 

 

i still like my Vos vote more tho. that vote was just opportunistic scum all over it.

 

 

Red reiterates her scumread of Vos, and says he had opportunistic scum all over it/him, while also heavily FOS'ing Cory

 

Something I noticed while compiling quotes is that Red FOS'd Cory HEAVILY MULTIPLE times, only she never actually voted for him, and well in retrospect that should look scummy for anyone, not just me

[hazelkrs1]

i'm caught up now. the Despo - Cory 10 page jerk feast was gross. like "i need a shower" gross.

 

emo cory makes me want to dig harder, idk if its true emo or AtE cory so for now i'll resist the urg.

 

Despo is being a puppet master tho

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Despo[/v]

 

 

part 1

 

 

 

 

Tsuki > rand to be a wolf

It is known... I do howl a lot...

 

 

Scummmmmmmeh response

 

obv joke was obv. ping for the reaching

 

 

 

I wanna see some serious real-feels get thrown between WWW and Cory - Ithi isn't around to make Mynd go all "derp", so I gotta take my laughs where I get them.

 

Dawn actually posted?!?! And tried to make a read?? She's scum.

 

Ewwwwwwwwwwww

 

i missed this via the Woby-Cory distance dance earlier, but agree, this is mega ewwwwwww. like Earnest P Worl EWWWWWWWWWWWW

 

 

 

that or your team is telling you to stop being a lead weight around their necks and to post...

i don't believe in miracles.

 

And then you follow it up too.

 

Maj FOS for the aggressive tone @ permanent lynchbait Dawn.

 

agreed again

 

 

 

 

IC wat U Did Thar

 

EoYB (eyes on you bro)

 

 

 

fwiw Tommy is having IRL struggles (wish him well or die imo) and his activity has been low-to-nothing elsewhere because of it

 

doesn't mean anything about his alignment but his absence is not to be presented as a scummy thing ATM or I will bertstare you into oblivion

 

 

Premature defense of another player before they've entered the game is... odd. Why? Why not give a scummer the chance to expose themselves by scummily asking about a player's absence ED1?

 

soem could say the same abotu your pee to not thunderdome cory until his emo "wyme fryme" hissy fit is over. pingage and linkage detected, phasers set to casing.

 

 

Tsuki going after Dawn so early is a bit unfair. I would agree with what he's saying typically but Dawn has been just fine activity-wise thus far this game. Sort of unwarranted... Going for low-hanging fruit or something?

^ this. half the players hadn't even checked in when he posted that and he was milking an inactivity/coaching angle. eager scum be eager.

 

 

But RTE is def the better lynch for today. His OP def wasn't good, and neither was his response to a couple of votes, but more importantly he can also potentially give us some more info on everyone else. For instance, if he flips town, then I think Vos will need to be looked at more closely. If he flips scum, then we can look closer at Wombat and Cory, who both kinda soft defended him.

 

And, not to be harsh, but as others have pointed out, RTE DOES usually look pretty wolfy as town. If he IS town this game, I'd rather remove the distraction then leave a good mislynch for scum to use later on.

So yeah, vote RTE everyone.

 

pingage for the bold - linkage and setting up future lynches. mega scum points award to Despo

 

 

 

Vanilla town. Get a lot more info before you lynch me or you're really shooting yourself in the foot here.

 

This has to be one of the stupidest reasons I've seen you vote for me. And there's been many of them.

da faq?

 

bold - this has to be one of the stupidest moves i've seen D1, and theres been many of them.

 

 

"L-7 and no deadline in sight, better role claim!"

 

Said no townie ever, at least no townie worth their salt

lmfao ikr

 

 

[v]Cory[/v]

 

He's not town

 

convenient vote comes at convenient time.  

 

RTE's wagon is gaining steam, and he pulls a "omg reveal under slight pressure" and Tommy swoops in with a "lock scum" stance on Cory and votes for no reason, tieing up the wagons and proceeding to distract us from RTE (who then goes MIA)

 

heavy FoS @ Tommy

 

 

When I get some free time at work I'll post what little notes I do have, make a halfbaked list and then MK myself. (Sorry blackhoof)

 

Would prefer the blood to be on my own hands and I admit it was a mistake to sign up after how the last two games have went. Halleh going through something terrifying right now and I want her to save her from having to take part in this (sorry halleh) and I'd prefer not to waste my time

 

My poor streak tho :P

 

Not gonna get emoragey, love you all and I'll miss ya and stuffs

 

Sorry I couldn't be the GOAT and wreck scum all game long

 

srs Cody, get off the "wyme fryme" pitty party wagon you've hitched yourself up to this game.

 

bold - regardless of alignment thats just poor sportsmenship.

 

 

Tsuki admits to being off focus and less interested since game began due to family that I don't normally get a chance to see are here.

 

Tsuki is scummy as hell by nature, and has never been vetted or cleared without a stupid amount of work - so, yeah, I howl. Bring it.

 

Tsuki was not targeting Dawn, anymore than I always do. Perhaps if she gets used to a little bit of early pressure (not even a case, just pressure (kinda like a joke vote, in my book)), she'll be less likely to bail, or to jump on this emotrain that I see is getting popular around DM... ugh. Sign up then threaten a quit before 36 hours are up - gross. But, whatever.

 

Appointments to be kept, shall return in 2-3 hours.

crappy defense of scummy reason to FoS another player is weak

 

 

Inexplicably, the entire house seemed to darken, causing the searchers to pause their hunt for the cultists among them. A scream echoed through the halls, and the guests cast a frantic glance towards a clock hanging on the wall, identical to the one in the table. The hand had not yet reached the blood mark.

 

Racing through the twisted, labyrinthine mansion, they rounded a corner and found a man huddled in the corner, gibbering in terror. They approached him, and saw no visible wounds. "What happened?" Asked one investigator. "Why did you scream?" But the man merely kept whispering and muttering to himself. The only words the investigators could make out were "the Yellow Sign.... King in Yellow... The Unnameable One...."

 

Lenlo has been Silenced until the end of Night 1

 

?? so we have a silencer day role apparently. or maybe this was an item?

 

 

 

AtE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VIABLE TACTIC

 

Emotions often run rampant in mafia games- this is just something that happens. Some are more sensitive than others, and frankly, it is easy to get emotional if you're telling the truth but everyone thinks you're lying. I mean holy freak, THIS GAME WAS CREATED BY PSYCHOLOGISTS WHO THOUGHT OF THIS EXACT SCENARIO. Playing paranoia against others, etc.

 

If you're scum in this game, your job is to lie. If that means lying about having an emotional reaction to something, IT IS NOT SOME EFFED UP TACTIC.

 

Do I think AtE is annoying? Hell yes. You know the main reason? It's effective. If done well, it's hard to tell if an emo reaction is genuine or faked. More than that, if you end up believing it, but find out it's faked- you feel like you've been betrayed, like someone used your own sympathy against you.

 

Again tho- THAT IS SCUM'S JOB.

 

So personally, while I find AtE JUST as annoying as the next person, I also think all the people that act all exasperated about it and act like it's some new thing that's lame and they shouldn't play anymore are just well, prob weren't cut out for mafia in the first place. If you can't deal with being emotionally manipulated, you SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING THIS GAME.

 

 

for me, someone using AtE or goign emo in a game makes me want to dig harder at them because it comes off as scum being caught and them having to hide something. so for me, AtE has the opposite reaction that the user is hoping to get.

 

Cory is just being beyond absurd at this point with his AtE that i'm not even going to reward him with attention; tbh Despo gave him enough attention which resulted in nothing more than a distracting 4 page read with nothing game related.

 

 

I actually didn't chop this wot at all, mostly because I want everyone to see it in it's entire absurdity

 

Not gonna break it down point by point cause I like not wanting to repeatedly punch myself in the nads, but just LOOK at how she starts off her wot- she votes me but then IMMEDIATELY proceeds to agree with me for like 5-6 quotes.

 

?????????

 

Now, I WILL say that I could mebbe see Red thinking I could be a bit scummy for her lolbad reasoning that I was "setting up lynches". I wasn't, but I certainly WAS linking players, and guess what? THAT'S NOT SCUMMY. Building associative tells is a big part of what the game is all about. This person defended that person who flipped scum so myeh, that person drove this person's lynch who flipped town so myeh, so on and so forth

 

HOWEVER, in Red's world, everything everyone does is scummy, so to her linking players = scum

 

All that being said tho, I still think this is a terrible and scummy post. In it, she multiple times says that Emo Cory makes her want to dig deeper into him, but that she won't vote for him yet

 

To me this is fairly obviously her laying the foundation to switch to voting Cory later on. Red is NOT the type of person to just let someone slide if she feels like digging deeper into them, that just DOES NOT COMPUTE for her, as anyone who knows her can testify

[hazelkrs1]

and the rest -

 

 

I am honestly town

 

not Mafia

not even super-killproof SK master WIM killer dude

 

Just a townie trying to find the scums

you've done 0 scum hunting. all you've done is "wyme fryme" this entire game. get off your emo horse and get to scum hunting if you're town; if you're scum then keep on as you are.

 

 

Except I don't think you're a townie. Your defense is really bad.

what defense? cory's been doing nothing but being a caterwauling pity party.

 

 

 

I think you are scum because:

1. You are trying too hard to seem town, by saying "I'm town" in nearly all your posts

2. You get really mad whenever anyone says you seem scummy, but can't come up with a better defense than "I'm town."

3. Your gameplay is completely different than it has been in the other games I've played with you. I think you were town in all those games.

1 & 2 =

 

 

3 is about as fake and transparent of reasoning as it gets. Cory has acted pretty much the exact same way in just about all his recent games on DM.

 

3 is reaching for you Despo. since when do you consider meta a "fake and transparent reason" on a case against someone?

 

 

 

Despo = Brazen Scum

ikr

 

Moar of Red heavily fos'ing Cory while not voting him.

 

We call this "nudging" lately btw Red, and imo "nudging" someone's train, i.e. fos'ing them while not voting them, is a lot scummier than actually voting that person. As I said before, scum like letting others do their dirty work for them, so if they can nudge someone and keep making them look scummy while not voting them, they can get a townie lynched while possibly not showing up on the VC later on for people who like to do wagonomics.

 

Also, notice how she "+1"'s Wombat's comment about me being Brazen Scum. This will be more relevant a bit later

[hazelkrs1]

^forgot to add:

 

She also seems to be defending Dawn in the above, someone who I found scummy again lately

[hazelkrs1]

Cory is naturally a very emotional player.  He's passionate, so anyone that uses that as a scum tell is scummerific, I think.  

 

Hallia comes forward to defend her hydra head...

 

@ halia

 

theres a difference between being an emotional player and trying to use your own meta to clear yourself.

 

Cory is milking the AtE angle and its coming off as compensating.

 

And Red responds that he's trying to use meta to clear himself... even tho Cory wasn't really doing that, at all

 

MISREP ALERT

 

add into the fact that this entire AtE attention grab from him is distracting as all get out (which is ironic coming from me) and has done squat for scum hunting imo.

 

 

makes me wonder what he's tryign to distract from tbh

 

Moar scummy nudging

 

Last line fails scummy tone test btw

 

that is about the most selfish thing i've ever seen a player do in a game Cory. you dig yourself a hole that you cant get out of so you cut your nose off to spite the town and leave us one in the hole on D1 with the lynch still looming.

 

I pointed this out before, but yeah this looks like mock outrage to me to the nth degree. She responded and said it wasn't that blahblahblah as a mod she would never let him play yadda yadda. Still looks like mock outrage to me upon reread however.

[hazelkrs1]

* fixed lack of quoting breaks

 

 

 

Villager checking in!

 

FoS, scummy OP is scummy  

 

 

 

Villager checking in!

 

This OP stuck out like a sore thumb. Miffed Des beat me to it, but yeah.

 

[vote]RTE[/vote]

 

 

[v]Vos[/v]

 

his OP may have been scummy, but your vote is scummier and opportunistic.  why you find RTE saying he's a villager scummy, but nothing about Cory who started the entire thing?

 

 

This doesn't make sense to me. Almost everyone (including you) has agreed RTEs OP was super-scummy. I was the second one pointing it out and at once followed through with a vote (which I stand for). How that is opportunistic beats me.

 

just because its scummy doesn't mean it needs a wagon vote. theres other ways to build pressure aside from voting and your vote felt opportunist for the way you did it and how you did it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

but seriously let's fast forward

i assume 4-5 people are going to be all "rah rah cory is talking about how he's an obvious villager he's so scummy"

 

everyone listens to me anyway and lynches my top suspects

 

some lolcory stuff happens

 

town still wins pretty comfortably

 

just going to fast-track it at this point, get me like 200-300 more posts by tomorrow evening (preferably a handful of everyone, drag them out screaming if you have to) and i'll give you all the lists you could ever need

 

Lol!

 

More seriously - especially to Red who pointed it out - I was expecting Cory to come into the game self-clearing-guns blazing, and being completely (to me at least) unreadable. From so far in the game I do lean scum on him. I think the "Wim-loss" and subsequent "threatening" behavior looks über-scummy. But again I'm not confident in my own ability to read Cory so I want to hold off for now, see how his playing carries on and take it from there.

 

so let me get this straight. you take a scum stance on Cory, only to retract on fence sitting with a "hold off for now to see how he continues to play" after he apparently did a "quote my role PM to be MKd" rage quit.

 

 

Flip Flopper Vos is scummy

 

 

 

Other than that, I think Tommy is town. Even if Cory is too, I doubt Tommy would risk the heat from being so certain about Corys alignment if it was a set-up. 

 

Strong town-lean on both Darthe and Des.

 

Wombat looks pretty good so far too. 

 

Slightly more iffy about Dap. Might be something there. 

 

Everyone else is pretty much null minus or plus atm.

which is it Vos. do you think Cory is scum or are you unsure about him. either you have a town lean on cory or a scum lean. which is it, get off the fence.

 

and i dislike the linkage on Tommy with Cory btw.

 

 

Red says Vos' vote was opportunistic cause "the way he did it and how he did it"

 

...........

 

 

Fake scumhunting much?

 

Then she calls him out for fencesitting on Cory. Even tho Red HERSELF was fencesitting in a MUCH scummier manner not long before this, saying that Emo Cory made her wanna dig deeper at him but that she would give him a pass and figure out if he was town or scum later. That was soooooo much scummier of a fence-sit, especially considering how Red kept nudging @ Cory after that for a while while still declining to vote him

 

Def a pot calls a kettle black sicheeashun

[hazelkrs1]

Blech I have sooooo much left to do

 

 

It's 6 now, gotta take a break. If I aint too sleepy when I get home, I'll get back on this.

 

Actually screw it I'll force myself to stay awake for it

[hazelkrs1]

Back at it- LET'S DO THIS!

 

@ Vos - being ninja'd still doesn't make up for the fence sitting you did on Cory and flip flopping on your leans with him.

 

Again, Red is just as guilty of fencesitting regarding her read of Cory before this, maybe even more so

 

Her push against Vos looks just scummeriffic to me

 

 

Red you think everything is scummy.  Define "Scummy" please and then show it to me the next time you come across it.  Atm you've devalued the word to the point that I don't much care about your reads.

scummy things in game so far

- wombat and cory's thunderdoming earlier appeared came out of no where, lacked any real conviction (ie felt forced) and came out looking like an early distancing gambit.

- RTE's "i'm town too guys" coupled with the early reveal with 2 votes on him.

- Vos's apparent flip floping on his read on Cory to fence sit on cory's alignment. the whole "i'm leaning scum but i suck at reading him" and his wagon vote on RTE felt opportunistic

- Tsuki's "inactivity" push and calling out Dawn being coached, then the 3rd person "explanation" weak sauce post

and finally

- Despo for many reasons
* linkage of numerous players
* setting up future lynches
* distraction stuff with Cory about AtE
* linking Darth and Daw together and claiming Darth was caching Dawn on the game thread

 

Already covered this post at one point but yeah- scummy spark notes post imo

 

The way she covers the Wombat/Cory thing as well as the points against RTE and Vos just looks like her trying to just repeat earlier stuff she pointed out to look like she's remaining consistent- cause the thing is, a LOT of other stuff happened up to this point that was WAY more significant than some of the stuff she mentions here. Again, scum!Red trying to look consistent, instead of town!Red taking in new info and evaluating how that changes her stance on other things

 

I also covered her points against me, but put simply she's trying way too hard to oversell my scumminess there. She even calls me out for linking twice for Christ sake, even tho LINKING IS NOT SCUMMY. It shows I'm paying attention. She also says I'm setting up future lynches here, even tho I was doing no such thing

 

 

Red, I would guess you're town just because you don't make sense. I get what you're saying on the timing of my vote but I haven't been following the non-Cory events in the game and my vote is independent of other wagons. Aside from that it sounds like you agree with me, so carry on. What do you think of the Hallia posts, like the one Darthe commented on?

i think halia is doing damage control to make sure that cory's actions dont reflect on her outside of this game.

other than that, they seem like damage control, which for my is always a ping when it comes to Hydras.

 

 

This was practically a scumslip on Red's part

 

Tommy was saying Red wasn't making any sense (and was somehow town for it cause... reasons), since Red was fos'ing Hallia even tho her hydra head just commited sepuku.

 

In response, Red continues fos'ing Hallia... saying that ______ is "always a ping when it comes to Hydras"

 

If that doesn't look like blatant fake scumhunting to you guys, I just don't know what to say

 

Imo what happened is she forgot Hallia was hydras with Cory, and fos'd her, but when it was pointed out that this didn't make sense, instead of backtracking she tried going all in on it, out of fear of looking bad

 

 

 

 

Red, I would guess you're town just because you don't make sense. I get what you're saying on the timing of my vote but I haven't been following the non-Cory events in the game and my vote is independent of other wagons. Aside from that it sounds like you agree with me, so carry on. What do you think of the Hallia posts, like the one Darthe commented on?

i think halia is doing damage control to make sure that cory's actions dont reflect on her outside of this game.

other than that, they seem like damage control, which for my is always a ping when it comes to Hydras.

 

I agree with you, but Cory already got himself
Modkilled by posting his Role PM. He played bad and then threw a tantrum. Whatever. I'm trying not to get mad so I'll just move on.

I think Mynd is scum for the reason stated above.

 

and i still think Despo is scummier, though i do agree that Mynd was being opportunistic, which pings.

 

 

Tommy responds and points out that Cory got himself MK'ed, but then talking about the issue again seems to bum him out so he doesn't point out that Red's response still doesn't make sense.

 

Red responds that I'm scummier, but bandwagons onto Tommy's fos of Mynd anyways

 

gonna suggest RTE be put on hold in favor for a Tommy & Despo competing train


all aboard?

 

This is where she first talks about setting up a Thunderdome with me and Cory, even tho she was JUST agreeing with Tommy.

 

This is what made me think she did this as a distancing maneuver from Tommy, since it appeared to me she was working together with Tommy too much (and Tommy looked scumtastic to me)

 

Now I think it was just scum!Red trying to set up competing trains between two townies

[hazelkrs1]

Alright, another wot... hold on to your butts

 

This is where it starts getting REALLY juicy btw

 

 

 

Sorry about taking so long
I ended up going rock climbing cos I could

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Right so I'm writing this as I read

Firstly Cory is emoing but I see a banned above his name so i might refrain from talking about his posts till the end cos I don't know where it's all headed.

thats a weaksauce reason to dodge any interactions he had on thread and to pressure people about it. and the banned thing appears to be a self-title, as its in the user title area of his bio. i'd have to ask verb to be sure, but that still has no bearing on how people who are still in this game reacted to him.

as Mynd said, we have to make lemon aid out of the situation, at best we have a known townie now to base our reads off of, which gives us a better chance to lynch scum today.

i dislike how you want to distance yourself from the info.

Lenlo does a summary post

In it he calls me out for now denying I'm mafia (with regards to when RTE called one of the two people voting him mafia...)
Yea I wasn't voting him at that point dude...

Vote Count
Nyn(2)- Wombat, Des
ReleaseTheEvil(2)- Darthe, Nervo
Darthe(1)- cory
With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynchDeadline: No deadline

Actually you say that I only vote him at the end of your wot, I feel like I'm missing the connection? Why do I need to defend him calling one of the people on his train mafia when I'm not on his train nor am I mafia?

Anyway more interestingly is how you go for Darthe in this post. You call his list crap, but it seems largely due to you disagreeing on who he finds scummy. It's a rather deep line in the sand for a relatively new game IMO
You also go pretty far in your defence of RTE and it's purely based on meta in summary (dudes a walking magnet for votes I believe was the phrase)

Oh you think I need despots approval! Right. Well I do appreciate his WOTs I really don't need approval, that'd be way against my meta and I'm not that sloppy am I.?

Biggest stand out issue I have with this post is this however

Also here on this page though was Tsuki coming in and making jokes which is odd. From what ive seen from Tsuki is hes generally much more into the game and pretty good at casing. Want more.

That plus quoting Tsukis post about the keep calm poster then this:

As for the scum list I might be able to see Tsuki, as hes generally a much more focused player than this, but hes still not that scummy compared to Vos and Dap imo.

Are all you really say on the dude.
The last bit is an almost throw away line that seems placed just to verify the read you throw on him later (scummy)

That worries me Lenlo, why have him on that list when you really don't seem convinced.

Ok dam, Len is silenced. I expect an explanation on the Tsukis thing and that RTE and me thing when you get back please.

 

so you're hesitant to analyze the cory situation, yet you start thunderdoming with a silenced player. FoS, i'm not the buying the "ok damn Len is silenced" bit.
 

Shouldn't we look at a Tommy vs RTE train instead....since RTE is still the lead train?  If we need to switch to a Tommy vs Despo train tandem, sure thing but RTE got popular for a reason.

 

RTE is getting heat for 2 things, i agree they're scummy but imo Tommy and Despo are far more scummier and give more info right now. i'm not saying to rush a lynch on them, still plenty of time before deadline. but i want more pressure on Despo and Tommy because they are top of my list.

hell we've got enough players (if everyone would start being more active and check in <_< ) we could do three trains easily.

 

First of all, BLATANT MISREP ALERT @ emphasized

 

Dap wasn't even close to trying to thunderdome with Lenlo

 

Now, Red clarifies that she thought "thunderdome" meant hardcore casing, but even that isn't true, and honestly doesn't really fit the context she used it in. There's not really anything wrong with casing someone who's silenced- if you case them then act like their lack of a response is scummy, well then obviously there's something wrong with that, but that's not what Dap was doing. He was catching up, and pointing out stuff he thought was significant, and obviously wasn't caught up enough or missed that Lenlo was silenced, but either way he wasn't going into huge "Case Lenlo to get lynched immediately mode"

 

So yeah, BLATANT MISREP there on Red's part

 

Second, let me point out who's defense she is sprinting towards here- Lenlofinger, who happened to flip scum. Did I have a town read on Lenlo? Yes. Oh well, he fooled me. /shrug

 

I never attacked anyone for suspecting him tho. Red did, and she does this multiple times.

 

DO NOT LET HER DOWNPLAY HER CONNECTION TO LENLO FOLKS

 

Lastly, Mynd points out that RTE has a better case on him, and has been talked about by more people (so more info) and that his train is larger, so why not have competing trains between RTE and Tommy? Red responds that me and Tommy are far scummier, but that we could set up tri-trains to include RTE. Basically in my eyes it just makes Red look like SHE is the one who was trying to set up as many lynches as possible, trying to juggle reads to make sure town remembers that Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, and Z are all scummy

 

Also, with Tommy flipping town, my scum read on RTE went down somewhat, so it's very likely that Red wanted to set up three competing trains on three townies. This doesn't automatically make her scum as town!Red has been wrong A LOT in the past, but still worth noting

[hazelkrs1]

 

And re: "scummy skimmer is scummy". I'm starting to see a pattern. You will quote my post and then add that its scummy afterwards.

no you are skimming. and skimming is scummy imo, means you aren't paying attention to the thread.

 

if you were, you would have seen my case on Despo, my consolidated list i posted for Darthe and that Tommy has been my other focus sense Cory went all implosion on himself.

 

It seemed random that you would isolate everyone except those two, not completely random that those two were the ones you picked.

i didn't isolate them, i've been pressuring a lot of people over different things, including yourself over the timing and feel of your vote on RTE iyrc (if you recall). my focus is narrowing on those two because they've done the scummiest things so far in thread.

 

again, is there a reason you dont want focus to be on Tommy or Despo? perhaps you just want to focus on RTE and speed lynch rather than having multiple trains for more information?

 

 

In the first quote- keep in mind her stance here, that skimming is scummy

 

Second quote- the last line (perhaps you just want to focus on RTE and speed lynch) looks like it could be a TMI slip, like she knew RTE would flip town

 

Also, Red keeps hammering home that me and Tommy had done the scummiest things in thread, but she never really said what scummy thing Tommy had done up to this point, and in my case everything she had against me was incredi-weaksauce. She had pointed out other things other people had done that legit looked much scummier, yet she kept clinging to her scum "reads" of me and Tommy

[WWWwombat]

Gonna try to do some #werk today.  Probably gonna fail.

[hazelkrs1]

2a. Skimming is not scummy. If anything, scum has more to lose than town skimming as they can slip up or be incoherent. Town doesn't have to orchestrate their game.

perhaps scummy wasn't the right word. lazy game play is a better word. and imo Town does have more to lose from skimming townies. the scum has their QT to check and make sure their WIFOM is fact based. a townie is alone. if they skim the thread they miss important info and can not expect to catch scum at all. not only do skimmers hurt the town, because they aren't paying attention they tend to get out of sync with the game, fall behind for need of re-reading and become lurking sheeple votes on wagons which let the scum get an easy win.

 

so no,i disagree. the town has more to lose by having a bunch of skimmers.

 

 

 

2b. I haven't skimmed this thread. I explained why I felt it was random you suddenly wanted to ignore everyone else. You assumed skimming and decided to peg it on me together with claiming it was scummy.

its called focusing. we're 3 RL days into this game. Hoof hasn't set a deadline yet, but typical D1's on DM last around 5 RL days. we only have one lynch, so its time to stop casting a large net and focusing on the slimiest fish to get a decent lynch with info.

 

unless you'd rather no lynch?

 

First quote: #DAT BACKTRACK ROFLMAO

 

So Red says skimming is scummy, then responds to Vos and says that sure, skimming does likely come more from town than scum (completely going against what she previously said) but that skimming townies are antitown

 

So okay, backtracking already puts this post in a bad light

 

But then guess what we get a MISREP ALERT

 

She says she disagrees, town has more to lose by having a bunch of skimmers

 

BUT WAIT A SECOND

 

That's COMPLETELY misconstruing what Vos actually said! He didn't say skimming was good for town, he was just saying that skimming wasn't really in and of itself scummy (which is a valid point imo)!!!

 

So Red gets caught basically, on using terribad reasoning to fos Vos, so then she backtracks and makes it seem like they were arguing about whether or not skimming was good for town. I think you'd be hard freaking pressed to find ANYONE who thinks skimming is actually GOOD for town, so Red just looks like she's completely full of hot air there

 

Second quote: So Vos makes a good point, that Red seemed to want to set up competing trains rather prematurely, ignoring anyone else in favor of JUST focusing on myself and another flipped townie. Red starts talking about how a deadline might come up soon.

 

At that point, there was no deadline.

 

-_________-

 

Vos wasn't saying we needed to cast this big huge net, I think he just took exception with Red trying to prematurely set up two competing trains when there was still a LOT of other significant stuff to look at.

 

Red finished it up by asking him if he's suggesting No Lynch.

 

...

 

[hazelkrs1]

Gonna try to do some #werk today.  Probably gonna fail.

 

Fyi a lot of peeps, including me, think you're fairly sketchballs right now, so if you're town, freaking put on some big boy panties and show it, cause we could use a town!Wombat to help wreck things

[hazelkrs1]

 

-her "case" against me is just lolbad.

1. linkage of numerous players - lol vague much? Seriously. You even repeat this "scumtell" later, illustrating how forced your case is. But yeah, linking players is NOT a bad thing, or scummy. This game is all about relationships between various players. Me showing the connections I'm seeing shows I'm paying attention

linking players is a bad thing because its you setting up future lynches. you dont clear or condem someone based off another persons actions, it just leaves you open to being played hardcore. and i did point out who you were linking (Darthe & Dawn, you even commented on it)

 

it may show that your not skimming like Vos is; but it also shows you trying to set up future lynches.

 

you're still doign the linkage btw see below for an example or 500.

 

 

2. Setting up future lynches - SHOW ME where I did this Red. I call complete and utter bullshanks

see above.

 

 

3. Distraction stuff with Cory about AtE - uh no, I wasn't trying to distract anyone. Cory is an emotional player, but he's also good at AtE as he showed in a recent game where he won as a SK, but made the game generally less enjoyable for everyone else while doing so. I was trying to keep the game from going that direction again. I failed. /shrug

what happens in another game ha no bearing on this one. from where i stand it looked more like you were capitalizing on Corys emo metl down by making it the focus of the game for multiple pages and pushing actual game content to the background (like the RTE stuff and Wombat going at Cory like that, which still feels forced to me)

 

 

4. linking Darthe and Dawn and saying Darthe was coaching Dawn - here goes that linking thing again lol (seriously, anyone who doesn't see Red's case against me as insanely forced is dumb or scum). Dawn was parroting what everyone else was saying, but her "Your defense isn't good Cory" didn't seem like something derpDawn would say, so I thought she might be being coached, and I remember Darthe giving her an "Attaboy" not too long ago. The point I made wasn't that far fetched, and certainly wasn't scummy

 

and my point was that if Darthe and Dawn are scum together Darthe isn't stupid enough to go coaching her on thread when he has a perfectly good QT to coach her on. and to point this sort of FoS is not only sloppy for you but is also lolreaching.

 

speaking of Dawn, i also noticed that you decided to drop that bone. i dislike it when a person digs in hard on someone then suddenly does an about face. both you and Tsuki have done this on Dawn.

 

I mainly wanted to point out the lolhypocrisy on Red's part here- so she says I'm linking players blahblahblah. Incidentally, linking players (which isn't scummy) is NOT setting up lynches! Setting up lynches is when you try having a predetermined read based on a flip that you're pushing for, in the attempts to then have someone to push the next day. Linking players isn't doing that- it's noting possible connections between players, which is something every townie should do really.

 

Either way, she says I'm scummy for linking players, but she TWICE links players in this post alone! She says the Wombat/Cory thing was forced (a reference to an earlier comment by her that it was a gambit between the two) and then she links me with Tsuki

 

...

 

Step 1: Call someone scummy for linking players

Step 2: Link players yourself

Step 3: Profit?

 

Nope, not in this case Red. You're swinging this game, whether it's while I'm still alive or after I'm dead and have my reads proven to be genuine

[Cory Caboose]

EDIT: wrong thread delete plz

[hazelkrs1]

Here's another juicy one for yall, and it's short and sweet and absolutely makes Red look AWFUL

 

 

You are generally correct in saying that (about Red being wrong A LOT- I used to hate her for it, then I grew to love her for it )

luv ya too bro. even though yer horribly wrong this game.

 

 

This is a scumslip yall. Complete and utter scumslip.

 

Lock Red up and take her to the clink.

 

Red says I'm "horribly wrong" this game.............. which actually means she knows me to be town. Otherwise, how could I be "wrong" about something or someone? I think she slips that in cause SHE knew I was wrong about Tommy, and momentarily forgot she was supposed to be handling me as a scum read. Cause yeah, scum aren't wrong. They're scum.

 

Complete and blatant slip on Red's part, and I will likely be emphasizing this again for anyone that's skimming my case on Red. She is LOCK SCUM CONFIRMED.

[hazelkrs1]

This was a terrible post on Red's part as well:

 

@ Tommy

 

 

I try to cultivate a common meta as town and mafia (it improves my mafia game, and game overall)
Petty but a thing I do.
I like to try keep myself in check so I can be a better player overall

It helps hide me regardless of alignment or PR, so far it seems to work

 

 
I don't think that's petty- in fact to me it's plain and simple common sense to try and make your scum and town metas as similar as possible.
 
In general, I play mafia like the Spurs play basketball- I try and remove as many competitive disadvantages as possible. If your opponent has a harder time using meta against you, it's better in the long run (for both alignments- since that way scum can't try to lead a mislynch on you if you seem to be on your "scum meta")

 

the bold is why i dont think you should be basing your judgement of Des based on Meta.

the underline doesn't sit well with me at all. Des spoke of big game hunting in casing and this is exactly what he's doing. any of the big game in this game that aren't on his wave length hes actively trying to get lynched. look at his scum list, full of nothing but big game and only people who are goign at him.

he's playing heavy D, and has no O to speak of. a townie doesn't see competitors in a game and work on the mentality "your either with me or against me". a townie is suspicious of everyone but makes a judgement based on actions whether a person is scum and especially trys to get a feel of whether or not the big game (like Mynd and Wombat and Darthe for example) can be trusted somewhat to not drive the town over a cliff.

Despo = Brazen scum whose playing his meta so hard its becoming a thin veil.


once i finish my catch up i'll go back and re-examine the player case, but as of page 30 the only real thing i saw was the one post, which i already commented on. how he doesn't want to touch anything dealing with Cory, yet wanted to go at a mod confirmed silenced Len. anyone who goes at a silenced person is scummy imo and being way too opportunistic. its easy to spin what ever tale you want when a person can't talk and defend themselves.

 

 

1. She misreps the hell out of me, saying my scum list is only people going at me... this is patently false. In fact, the main reason most of those people started going @ me and getting pissed with me is cause I THOUGHT THEY WERE SCUM IN THE FIRST PLACE. Red completely tries altering the actual timeline of events to make me look worse.

 

2. She also says I'm playing D and no O, which is laughable considering that I was constantly talking about significant things I saw, not just focusing on defending myself. In fact I don't think I bothered with defending myself much at all. I defended myself from Tommy when he disparaged my skill level, but that's not really unique to this game, I just took exception to his immature and antagonistic tactics

 

3. Emphasized: Look familiar? Wombat said this earlier, Red +1'd it, and now she's repeating the phrase on thread.

 

*insert parrot.meme*

 

4. Moar chainsaw defense of Lenlo by Red. If the US Navy saw this many pings on their radar, they'd all abandon ship and swim for their freaking lives.

[Red2111]

 

 

Then what would YOU call it? A "Fence of Text", since it is short?

 

1 - And go through 50 pages of emo-Cory? Mod said it is hammer, it is hammer. Besides, wouldn't have to read it, just ISO BH.

2 - Have I placed a vote?? NO. I am not keeping my "mitts" clean. I have no real opinions on anyone right now, other than those I have stated. 300 quotes won't change it. Unlike some people, I case when I feel I am on to something, rather than flailing in all directions. Suprised you haven't cased yourself, by now.

3 - Turin asks for lists. Mynd is asking for lists. Turin asks for broad lists, regardless of his views. Mynd is asking for lists based on who HE has opinions on. Turin wins. Who gives a crap about anything else, I was talking about LIsts.

4 - See above (notice how I shortened this by taking out redundant quotes?? Try it sometime.)

 

 

2 - i dont case people i know are town, i know i'm town, you i'm leaning scum on. and i'm not flailing in all directions, i've been chewing on the same bones for quiet some time.

 

 

 

And how, pray tell, do you know someone is town on Day 2? Care to tell me how you've pulled that off? Let's go see who you KNOW is town, shall we?

 

 

be moar obvious with your reaching, its amusing to see scum squirm.

 

 

re-quote to re-emphasize this reachingness and misrep by Tsuki

 

@Red:

 

Dawn

TGlems

Pralaya

Nyn

Zerlia

 

These are people you have not cased. Care to share your reads on why they are Town? (we all know who you think is scum, and why)

are those people even still playing? cause they have a combined post count of like 5.

 

 

oh wow look at that, Halia's and Dawn's name are mentioned and they appear.

 

 

We lost Tommy, but Got Lenlo - Even night. We are only down 1 town, due to Cory's BS.

By analyzing who pushed at Tommy, then made the mid-train votes (where I feel scum should be), and then compare to who takes me down, it should really narrow things down.

just just aren't paying attention, like at all, eve to the simpliest of things.

 

DARTHE AND LEN were shot last night. TOMMY WAS LYNCHED.

 

WERE DOWN 2 TOWNIES

 

 

underlined - if you were town you'd actually go do this instead of make the suggestion, but you're obv not town and instead lazy scum.

 

 

Who's the horse and who's the man?

 

@ Mynd

 

 

@ halia

theres a difference between being an emotional player and trying to use your own meta to clear yourself.

Cory is milking the AtE angle and its coming off as compensating.

Disliked this post.

 

i'm the bucking bronco, mynd is the guy who thinks i'm not watching him, but i am.

 

what about the post dont you like, yeah Cory wasn't compensating as he did flip villager, but he was still milking the AtE a bit too heavy.

[hazelkrs1]

AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

 

 

I was just about to post that I was losing steam, was getting tired

 

THEN RED POSTS

 

It's like my soul knew she was about to wake up and corrupt this thread with her presence again

 

*dons body condom to prevent further contamination*

[hazelkrs1]

I'm soldiering on LIKE A BAWSH

 

 

Lenlo - Waiting for Lenlo to thaw.....though freezing players is not a pro-town role.  Can't move him either way until he can post again.

 

the WIFOM on Len you posted reeks.  what are you trying to suggest?  that Lenlo is a silencer and silenced himself?  i dislike you trying to WIFOM a mod confirmed silenced player.

 

 

Fyi time stamp got lost on this post because quote tags got screwed up for a sec, if anyone needs me to find original post I'd be happy to

 

Anyways I quoted this to show Red YET AGAIN chainsaw defending Lenlo from someone else. Hilarious thing is, Mynd actually had Lenlo as a slight town read in his reads list, and wasn't insinuating AT ALL that Lenlo silenced himself

 

Oh yeah, that means we got another MISREP ALERT

 

*alarm.gif*

 

At this point, Red has chainsaw defended Lenlo by attacking Dap, Darthe, and Mynd, and in this case her defense of Lenlo is downright freaking paranoid. That she got that Mynd was suggesting Lenlo was a silencer who silenced himself is just... wow.