[Basic] Eye of the World Mafia (Darkfriends win)

[Verbal32]

Agree as well - Tina is off the table for now.

[Verbal32]

Good casing, btw.  Curious to see what you get with Des.

[Leelou]

Lee: What are your reasons for suspecting Hally? I see she was in your orange list above, but I don't recall reading a reason as to why.

 

I started out with a townish lean on her since she was actively voting, but I didn't like her plays around the Darthe lynch and she was pushing what felt like an OMGUS onto BoOb. She just doesn't seem to be actively scum hunting and I haven't really seen any reads, besides Lenlo, that I agree with. When she's town, I can normally see where she is coming from. 

[hazelkrs1]

Slept all day, will reread tonight

[hazelkrs1]

I'm Elyas Macheras, VT

 

For the record tho Hallia, this really, really annoys me when you do this. Someone presents a big case against you, and you just claim immediately like that someone constitutes an actual defense. This does less than nothing for me as far as making me think you might be town after all. If you're there, friggin post your actual thoughts and a defense against points made against you.

[Kaylee]

Good casing, btw.  Curious to see what you get with Des.

Working on you currently. Just got back home. He's after you. 

 

 

 

 

Lee: What are your reasons for suspecting Hally? I see she was in your orange list above, but I don't recall reading a reason as to why.

 

I started out with a townish lean on her since she was actively voting, but I didn't like her plays around the Darthe lynch and she was pushing what felt like an OMGUS onto BoOb. She just doesn't seem to be actively scum hunting and I haven't really seen any reads, besides Lenlo, that I agree with. When she's town, I can normally see where she is coming from. 

 

Fair enough. Thanks for answering.

Blue: One of the reasons why she's a scum read for me as well. That and below.

 

 

 

 

I'm Elyas Macheras, VT

 

For the record tho Hallia, this really, really annoys me when you do this. Someone presents a big case against you, and you just claim immediately like that someone constitutes an actual defense. This does less than nothing for me as far as making me think you might be town after all. If you're there, friggin post your actual thoughts and a defense against points made against you.

 

^ This definately

[Kaylee]

Verb: starts off with saying he thinks Darthe was pretending to be serious. Questions Mynd on some of his logic here. (Asking why he chose Len over Darthe). I like his logic on Lee's train for D1. He wanted to finish the lynch to get info based on her flip. (You get more info from a flip then a no lynch IMO). He changes his mind about this later, but explains why. Basically keeps logic and reason with his decisions and not making things up. Pushes TG when he tried to answer for Mynd. (I like this as it shows he's interested in getting answers and not just asking questions because they look good). He stays consistent. Goes after things that stand out to him, doesn't change his story or have what comes across as weird reasoning. He was suspicious of Darthe D1 and votes him D2. He even says outright that he's flip flopped on a few and gives reasons as to why. His reads and overall focus just give me a townie feel. Really don't feel the need to quote anything.

 

 

Summary: Overall town feel. From early game through recent posts there's logic and good reasoning. He sticks with what he says and goes after things that stand out to him. As scum I can't always follow his reasoning and in fact the reasons seem weird. He was early on the Darthe train (3rd) and admits when he flip flops on players. Not only does he admit it, but he gives reasons as to why that can be easily followed. Town read.

[Kaylee]

Ok, now to do Des. 

[Kaylee]

Des: Starts off voting Len and has a bit of back and forth with him and thinks Len's silliness is forced. He questions TG on his vote on Lee, then unvoting and voting Dawn an hour later. (Which looks bad without reasons). He calls Hally sketchy and says why. (I like his reasons and agree with them). He doesn't like Lee's vote on Dawn or her reasoning behind it and quotes a few of her posts going after her. Next he gives reads with reasons. I don't agree with his reason for clearing NotBob though. ("His bandwagon vote on TG looked kinda too open to have come from scum"). For me that's not a reason to clear someone. It makes it easy for them to slip through on thin reasoning. Like giving them a pass. The rest of his reads I can follow the logic behind. He switches to voting Lee when Len train doesn't go anywhere. Makes sense as she is on his scum list. He backs off Lee after her claim stating that scum rarely claim VT D1 and how others are handling her at the time. Votes TG for his flip on Lee and his "scummy tone". Doesn't like Darthe for his push on Lee for the "hard character claim to fight" and puts Krak, Verb and NotBob in his Lock clear pile. Votes Thane for soft claiming town and acting like that clears him. After a reread he says Darthe, Mynd and Tina are scum...possibly Len instead of Tina. He spoilers quotes with comments then votes Darthe his top scum read. Says Hally is fake scumhunting with her "flip on Tina and Darthe is town" post. He puts her in his scum list but wants to go after Darthe first. re-states his scum reads and says Lee and Verb are even more so Lock Clear. Starts D3 looking at Mynd and his interactions with Darthe. He doesn't like NotBob's wanting to fencesitting on Darthe or wanting to lynch Verb/Lee. He sees how Csarmi could've been pulling a gambit and dislikes Hally's vote and statement. Votes Mynd and continues to go after him. He doesn't like NotBob voting Hally and says it makes him look like Mynd's teammate. He's consistent with going after Mynd and Hally. Here he explains why he doesn't like Csarmi's posts and with Tina's proven claim has her as a town read and questions Len. Continues thinking Len is scum and votes for him and he feels better about NotBob since with Mynd flipping town he wasn't trying to derail a teammates lynch. Calls Len Lock Scum and votes him. He starts tin-foiling on Krak and thinks he might have white knighted Len for town cred. Changes his mind on that realizing he's likely tin-foiling.  Looking at his town reads he says that leaves Hally (whom he's been suspicious of), myself and NotBob with Krak being town. After Verb and Lee weigh in that out of that list they trust NotBob he takes NotBob out of his list and says it's down to Hally and me. Des: Why did you move NotBob off your list?

 

 

 

 

 

Summary: I like that he starts off swinging, voting and sticking with it. His reads list looks genuine even if I don't totally agree with all of them (NotBob). Seems like a weak reason, but he seems to believe it. Pretty consistent with his reads. Finds Hally scummy and explains why he switched back and forth on NotBob (thinking he was derailing a teammates lynch, then debunks that theory with a Mynd town flip). I didn't like his "disregard all of what Mynd has to say" but he later explains why. (His 4 scum reads and why his disagrees with them). I liked the explanation and it made me feel better. His tin foiling on Krak stands out, but it made sense in a way and I gave the same idea some thought before deciding against it so that's null for me. I agree with the list except I'm not sure why he left NotBob off. I'd like to hear his reason as to why. Other than that I get a town vibe. 

[Kaylee]

I'll have to do NotBob's tomorrow as I'm out of time for today. BTW just realized I forgot to post the quotes to Des's above...and DM says it's too many to quote. If you have questions on what they are I'll grab them tomorrow.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Nuffin

[Leelou]

This game is really dragging.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

This game is really dragging.

 

Vote Leelou

 

Acts bored yet doesn't make a case.

[hazelkrs1]

[v]NotBoob[/v]

[Leelou]

 

This game is really dragging.

 

Vote Leelou

 

Acts bored yet doesn't make a case.

 

 

I'm ready to vote for Hallia, but she's not even trying at this point. 

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Leelou(1): NotBob

NotBob(1): Des

 

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[Kaylee]

Ok just finished breakfast. Let me try to fix my reads of Des with the quotes then I'll do NotBob. At this point I'm happy to vote Hally. She's my number one suspect. 

[Kaylee]

I will be trimming down long quotes/quotes within quotes to show what I'm referring to...

 

 

Des: Starts off voting Len and has a bit of back and forth with him and thinks Len's silliness is forced. He questions TG on his vote on Lee, then unvoting and voting Dawn an hour later. (Which looks bad without reasons). He calls Hally sketchy and says why. (I like his reasons and agree with them). Shown in blue below. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is a soft question? And why is it bad?

I mean a question whose answer serves to provide little in the way of information but gives the asker the illusion of being in the thick of it.


Basically you asked a series of questions that won't really provide much info or can easily be ignored with no consequence.

 

 

That's silly, especially for D1.  Any questions are good questions I think

 

 

Hallia's defense of Tina here makes me feel sketchy about her regardless of Tina's alignment. What she's saying is patently false, at least from a town perspective. Questions which make it look like you're scumhunting when you're not aren't that great, and questions in the manner of rolefishing or something are even worse.

 

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Dawn[/v]

 

The obsession with Darthe is unhealthy. Also, gives you an easy meta to hide behind. 

 

 

Scummy opportunistic vote alert.

 

Sin 1: Bandwagons onto Dawn for really lame duck reasoning

 

Sin 2: Covered by Mynd already, but yeah calling two posts about a player an "obsession" is just extremely disingenuous, looks designed to make Dawn look worse

 

Sin 3: Here Leelou makes it seem like Dawn is scummy and deserving of a vote, however when Mynd challenges her on this she characterizes her vote as more exploratory (that she was trying to discern Dawn's alignment.

 

 

I'm sorry Mynd, but what? Dawn has this horrible habit of not doing much but being obsessed with a couple players in a game and giving little to no reasons for voting them. She also doesn't listen much to reason. Makes it awfully hard to tell if she is town or scum. I'd rather try to get some sort of feel on her early. Your round about weird defense of Dawn is noted. 

 

Dawn simply voted Darthe as an OMGUS.  To say that's an obsession is quite a stretch.

 

 

 

(was originally looking for a less creepy nodding gif, but passing up the chance to use Nicholson here seemed like a travesty I could not commit)

 

Mynd - I look at all things. Right now, I'm looking at Dawn. She needs to actually play though, which is something she fails to do successfully. Even her response to me has given little to nothing to go on. 

 

Perhaps, you should look at the Twilight game I ran or a couple other games on the main board here she's been in. Since you've been away from DM for some time and all. Ya know, just being helpful. 

 

I have a watchful eye on Tina, she seems a bit off. Not sure if it is because she said she's busy or if she's trying to hide as scum. 

 

This is the second time you've made reference to Dawn's slightly less than exemplary track record in mafia, which to me looks designed to reinforce the concept in everyone's head that she's lynchbait anyways, so might as well cull the wheat from the chaff so to speak.

 

 

Be gone foul beast and shake your snakes elsewhere. 

 

I don't see Lenlo as scummy. I've asked Des to clarify what he sees scummy about Len and he has failed to answer yet. 

 

 

I don't see why you felt the need to ask me when I had already indicated what about Lenlo makes me think he looks scummy. Methinks that you mentioning waiting on my answer is you trying to look busy.

 

Defense of Dawn noted. 

 

Your responses to Mynd's pressure have been terrible so far. Looks like you're trying to brush him off to me.

 

Purple: He doesn't like Lee's vote on Dawn or her reasoning behind it and quotes a few of her posts going after her. 

 

 

 

Next he gives reads with reasons. I don't agree with his reason for clearing NotBob though. ("His bandwagon vote on TG looked kinda too open to have come from scum"). For me that's not a reason to clear someone. It makes it easy for them to slip through on thin reasoning. Like giving them a pass. The rest of his reads I can follow the logic behind. He switches to voting Lee when Len train doesn't go anywhere. Makes sense as she is on his scum list.

 

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

Leelou is likely town, altho part of how I came to this conclusion is her VT claim, which is rare to see a scummer make on D1, and associative based on how a couple of others are handling her recently.

 

For instance, TG's flip on her didn't seem genuine to me. Said her tone changed completely, I didn't see that personally. And now he's acting like she's def town. Furthermore, he's trying to lead, and I see a fake scumhunting alert with him asking Thane for his top three. He also had some scummy tone, like when he said he didn't "like" Tina's narrative. In fact, I see plenty enough for me to [v]TG[/v]

 

Darthe is also starting to ping, his reaction to Leelou's character claim looked odd (said it was a "hard character claim to fight" which is bizarre from a town perspective, and at the same time that we shouldn't put much stock in character claims in a Wombat game. Why remark on the "strength" of the character claim in the first place then?), and I REALLY don't like how he's trying to set Verb up for a lynch should Leelou turn out to be town, looks like TMI to me.

 

Still GMEO Hallia and a couple of others.

 

I am proud to say tho that I can firmly put Verb and BobNot into my town pile. So as of now I'm starting with a LOCK CLEAR core of myself, Krak, Verb, and NotBob. Not too shabby of a group so far.

Blue: He backs off Lee after her claim stating that scum rarely claim VT D1 and how others are handling her at the time. Votes TG for his flip on Lee and his "scummy tone".

 

Bold: Doesn't like Darthe for his push on Lee for the "hard character claim to fight"

 

Green; and puts Krak, Verb and NotBob in his Lock clear pile. 

 

 

Votes Thane for soft claiming town and acting like that clears him. After a reread he says Darthe, Mynd and Tina are scum...possibly Len instead of Tina. He spoilers quotes with comments then votes Darthe his top scum read. Says Hally is fake scumhunting with her "flip on Tina and Darthe is town" post. He puts her in his scum list but wants to go after Darthe first.

 

 

 

 

And that, my friends, is how it's done.

 

 

Again, scum!Darthe leads us to scum!Mynd (which became even moar clear as the day went on), which leads us to... wasn't it scum!Tina? Can't recall atm. Either way Leelou and Verb are even moar insanely LOCK CLEAR (due to Darthe trying to set up Verb for a lynch with a Leelou townflip, which is what tipped me off to him incidentally), and Mynd's goose is cooked. Lemme sort back through for more.

Bold:  Re-states his scum reads and says Lee and Verb are even more so Lock Clear.

 

 

Starts D3 looking at Mynd and his interactions with Darthe. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm around...still prefer the Hallia lynch...could move to Darthe...he's playing a bit more reserved than normal but I have nothing concrete.
 
Could also use a Verbal or Leelou flip just for the intel.
 
I'll be in and out this afternoon but around during the deadline.

 
Bleurgh. Think NotBob can be scum after all. Could have had a crossed read on him from another game mebbe, cause now I remember during my reread him having kind of a scummy vote day 1. That + him fencesitting on Darthe and advocating a Leelou/Verb lynch.... #notgood
 

 

 

 
Hrmm.... mebbe Krak has a point.... Darthe committing such an obvious flub and then immediately getting called out by Csarmi COULD have been a gambit to try and "clear" Csarmi.
 

You claimed my character... So I know you're lying. That's why I'm ccing you.

I'm doc BTW.

 
I can't think of ANY circumstance in ANY mafia game where uttering the words "I'm doc BTW" is a good idea. Claiming such a role offhand without need is.... bleurgh.
 

Yea I gave this some thoughts. Too low activity. Both by the game and by me tonight.

Moiraine is obvious PR unfortunately ...

Willing to exchange anyway. May luck out on him being the RB.

:hopeful:

 
So why remove all wifom from the scum team? WHY??? They could have mebbe worried that you fake CC'ed or that you weren't the Doc... now you're guaranteed to be dead if you're town. Blech.

 

 

 

 

[v] Darthe [/v]

We shall see who was right

Good catch on the follow thingy Csarmi!

 
"We shall see who was right" and "Good catch on the follow thingy Csarmi" aren't even one bit synonomous, considering "we shall see who was right" was in reference to Darthe or Csarmi being scum, which shouldn't have even been in question considering how Csarmi CC'ed. Attempt to distance from teammate has FAILED.
 

@Lee & Verb

I'm pretty sure the scum wanted to know who Moiraine was and they'd be treating the cc'er as the doc anyway.

 
Then why give them what they want?
 
Derpy derp?
 

 

Purple:  He doesn't like NotBob's wanting to fencesitting on Darthe or wanting to lynch Verb/Lee. 

 

Green:  He sees how Csarmi could've been pulling a gambit

 

Blue:  and dislikes Hally's vote and statement. 

 

 

 

 

Votes Mynd and continues to go after him. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still think Hallia looks like scum.  

 

Vote Hallia

 

This vote makes you look moar like Mynd's scumbuddy NotBob

 

For the sheer reasoning of?

 

This response doesn't make you look any better however Hallia. NotBob has stated his "reasoning" for finding you scummy, you suddenly acting oblivious does you no favors. If you're town, start acting like it.

 

Bold: He doesn't like NotBob voting Hally and says it makes him look like Mynd's teammate.

 

 

 

 He's consistent with going after Mynd and Hally. Here he explains why he doesn't like Csarmi's posts and with Tina's proven claim has her as a town read and questions Len. Continues thinking Len is scum and he feels better about NotBob since with Mynd flipping town he wasn't trying to derail a teammates lynch. Calls Len Lock Scum and votes him. 

 

 

 

 

Ugh. Both of you two are LOCK CLEAR. Stahp using bad logic to try and question one another.

 

Do I have to remind you two again of why I figured out Darthe to be scum? He tried setting up Verbal for a lynch with a town Leelou flip. And he was trying to cling to the possibility of Leelou still being scum long after everyone else let that die down, and even said her character claim "was a hard one to fight" which made no sense from a townie perspective (again, how I knew Darthe was scum).

 

And I'm still LOCK CLEAR btw for my push on Darthe. If I was scum and bussed him, I would be leading town a lot moar right now, using that cred to try and drive home a scum victory. Yes that's "I wouldn't do that as scum" type logic which I myself would be poking at were I someone else, but I also know it to be true.

 

Also, is no one else thinking that Krak might have white knighted Lenlo for towncred? Especially the way he wanted to get everyone to focus on Lenlo's character claim then slip in his own Perrin claim? Could be paranoia but that actually set off some alarms for me. Wombat wouldn't allow character claiming if it could break his setup, so Krak trying to defend Lenlo on those grounds while slipping in his own char claim looks wolfy as hell to me. There's assuredly at least one major character given to scum as a fake claim, so Perrin might be the one. Will have to reread Krak tho to reaffirm that read or else toss it out the window.

 

Kaylee looked townie to me for her WIM and what seemed to me to be genuine reads after catching up, but I guess I can review her again since others I trust seem to disagree with me there

 

Tina still LOCK CLEAR for me since I doubt A) that a DV would be scum in this setup since that is sooooo powerful for scum, and in a smaller basic type setup that would make it even moar unbalanced and B) the manner of her claim. Don't see her doing that as scum tbh.

 

So looking at that, myself, Tina, Leelou, and Verbal are all LOCK CLEAR. Leaves Hallia, Kaylee, NotBob, and Krak for where we need to find remaining two scum. Feeling better bout a Krak scum reading looking at that, and need to review Hallia and NotBob as well to see who might be scum there.

 

Could be that both are tho, for their what might be forced OMGUS/distancing act all game. Haven't seen either follow up well on their scum "reads" of one another very well.

Blue: He starts tin-foiling on Krak and thinks he might have white knighted Len for town cred.

 

 

 

From what I remember I too had Krak as town earlier this game. So meh, might be tinfoiling on my part

Changes his mind on that realizing he's likely tin-foiling. 

 

 

 

 

In any case, if Krak is town, that leaves Kaylee, Hallia, and NotBob. Who do y'all think could be the townie in that group, assuming Krak is town?

 Looking at his town reads he says that leaves Hally (whom he's been suspicious of), myself and NotBob with Krak being town. 

 

 

 

 

After Verb and Lee weigh in that out of that list they trust NotBob he takes NotBob out of his list and says it's down to Hally and me.

 

 

In any case, if Krak is town, that leaves Kaylee, Hallia, and NotBob. Who do y'all think could be the townie in that group, assuming Krak is town?

 

If that situation was 100% true, I'd pick NotBob as the townie right now.

 

 

 

 

In any case, if Krak is town, that leaves Kaylee, Hallia, and NotBob. Who do y'all think could be the townie in that group, assuming Krak is town?

 

BoOb

 

 

 

Aight, I'll roll with that then

The way activity has gone in this game, you can either whine about it if town loses, or else accept your part in it.

So Kaylee and Hallia, looks like y'all are up. I trust Verbal and Leelou. Tell me why they are wrong, and why I should read either of you as town.

 Des: Why did you move NotBob off your list?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary: I like that he starts off swinging, voting and sticking with it. His reads list looks genuine even if I don't totally agree with all of them (NotBob). Seems like a weak reason, but he seems to believe it. Pretty consistent with his reads. Finds Hally scummy and explains why he switched back and forth on NotBob (thinking he was derailing a teammates lynch, then debunks that theory with a Mynd town flip). I didn't like his "disregard all of what Mynd has to say" but he later explains why. (His 4 scum reads and why his disagrees with them). I liked the explanation and it made me feel better. His tin foiling on Krak stands out, but it made sense in a way and I gave the same idea some thought before deciding against it so that's null for me. I agree with the list except I'm not sure why he left NotBob off. I'd like to hear his reason as to why. Other than that I get a town vibe. 

[Kaylee]

Des please answer the question.

[Kaylee]

Ok working on NotBob now.

[hazelkrs1]

Uh- I think it's fairly clear why I "removed" him from the list. Two people I trust fully in this game both are reading him as town. Doesn't mean I would never ever lynch him, just that going by process of elimination style that left you two.

[Verbal32]

[v]NotBoob[/v]

 

Uh- I think it's fairly clear why I "removed" him from the list. Two people I trust fully in this game both are reading him as town. Doesn't mean I would never ever lynch him, just that going by process of elimination style that left you two.

 

^ Then why are you voting him?

[Kaylee]

NotBob: First thing that stands out is his following Verb voting TG. It stands out because Verb did it as a joke but NotBob says he's going to follow Verb's lead. A lot of joking after that. Then votes Lee asking what's wrong with a healthy obsession with Darthe. (Which makes the vote feel like a joke to me). He then makes this post where he says he starts each game with an issue with Darthe in response to Dawn following him voting Lee. (Makes his vote on Lee seem less like a joke). He notes Hally's defense of Lee by voting Dawn. Here he tells Hally that Lee earned her sudden train (which I agree) and says it's not worth going after the low hanging fruit (Dawn) unless she tries some terrible gambit or hurts the town. (Fair enough statement). In that same post he says to Hally "I'm confused...you defended a more experienced player because a "newer player" has an obsession...then throw a vote to make competing trains...doesn't look like you want to help Dawn at all...other than to get her lynched." (Which I think was a good point). He asks Thane if he finds Lee or TG scummier, though comments with deadline being close it won't matter much unless 6 players are online to make a switch. When Tina asks if that means he's still thinks Lee is scum he says he can't read her, but her early game was bad. He also says he could switch to TG. He's not real clear on his reasoning for willing to vote TG but he did ask him what CFD meant when TG called for one on Thane. Starts off D2 saying he still doesn't like Lee's play but wants to explore another angle and votes Hally. (I can follow that as he questioned her D1 on her reasoning for voting Dawn). He explains as much here when Darthe and Hally question him on why he's voting her. He points out that Hally had gone MIA during that time and he's curious where she stands atm. She replies saying she'll give Csarmi a break and NotBob says that makes it look like she was looking for an easy noob lynch D1 and asks if she was happy with the NL. Next he does an unoffical VC to show the current vote and who was not voting. He calls Lee's vote on Darthe opportunistic and says he'd prefer a Hally lynch because she's being scumtastic and she's not interested in voting. (Possibly trying to stall Darthe's lynch, but his reason as for why considering at the time he was pursuing Hally and her behavior, makes sense to me.) Again states that he'd prefer a Hally lynch, he could move to Darthe but he sees nothing concrete and he could use a Verb or Lee flip for the intel. (I understand him saying Lee...but why Verb? He's not mentioned him up till this point.) He then votes Hally. She OMGUS votes him saying she's most suspicious of him on Lee's train and she doesn't think Lee earned it. He kindly explains to her how Lee did earn it calls her out for her backpedaling on the Dawn/Csarmi slot and notes her over-defensiveness. When Csarmi questions why Hally would hammer as scum NotBob replies saying Darthe's claim and the counter claim came a couple of hours before deadline. (Not sure what point he was trying to make there. I have a guess but don't want to put words in his mouth.) There was the vote on me following Krak when, in my opinion, Krak wasn't clear on his reasoning. Says Len, Hally, Verb and Tina need to say more.  Hammers Len to get the info and because the game has died. Gives his first reads list. States why he hammered Len. Basically looking at them he thinks Lee and Hally are scum with me as a possible third. (Staying consistent on his Hally and Lee reads). Says Des isn't contributing as he does when town. (I don't agree with that but that's his opinion). He has Tina and Verb are more likely town yet says they should both post more. Without Tina being a DV, that would leave no confident town reads but at least two strong scum reads. (I don't count me as strong scum read based on the reasons he gave, but I am a scum read of his.)  Votes Lee for being bored yet not making a case. This is funny to me because it seems like a joke. Not sure why when he has repreatedly stated he thinks Lee and Hally are scum. 

 

 

 

 

Summary: Consistent play esp in the beginning of the game. He asked questions and stayed on his scum reads. He wasn't on the Darthe lynch but I checked and he wasn't around when the claim/counter claim and all that went down. I don't get what point he was making to Csarmi about Hally's Darthe hammer, I have a guess but will let NotBob speak for himself. NotBob: care to explain that? I didn't understand as you didn't really answer the question. He had a vote on me following Krak and that seemed off to me because I didn't understand the point Krak was trying to make.  Only gave reads once. Those reads hold one firm town read (Tina for her DV), and unsure seeming town read (Verb), and two strong scum reads. That's all good yet when he does vote this phase it's Lee (one of his top scum reads) for a joke seeming reason. I don't understand that. His game up until his reads comes across as town to me. His late game esp since the reads, has me wondering about him. Not sure if he's a deep wolf or not. Could be scum Null to scum.

 

Still be happier with a Hally lynch as I'm more sure of her. 

[Kaylee]

Forgot the quotes let me fix that...

[Kaylee]

NotBob: First thing that stands out is his following Verb voting TG. 

 

 

 

OMG he's totally scum!!!

 

[unvote]

[v]TGlems[/v]

 

I'll follow this lead.

 

Unvote

 

Vote TGlems

 

It stands out because Verb did it as a joke but NotBob says he's going to follow Verb's lead.

 

 

A lot of joking after that. 

 

 

 

Was going to use the 8-ball but...

 

What's wrong with a healthy obsession with Darthe?

 

Solid pro-town move...Vote Leelou

Then votes Lee asking what's wrong with a healthy obsession with Darthe. (Which makes the vote feel like a joke to me). 

 

 

Looks like I forgot something...Unvote, Vote Leelou

Fixes his vote.

 

 

 

 

dawn is always hard to read, which makes her an interesting player... lot of fuss around her and Darthe, don't think it's anything more than jokevoting from both though

 

She has like 5 posts this game...what is so hard to read...look like a joke vote to me.  

 

[unvote]
[v]Leelou[/v]

I agree, your vote on me seems really bad. Voting me because I am "obsessed with Darthe"?
How is being obsessed with someone scummy? Are you just looking for an easy lynch? Sure seems that way.

 

Personally I start each game with an issue with Darthe...I've learned to make him wait for my vote...cause I know its only a matter of time before he earns it....with that said...how many games have you played?

 

 

[v] dawn [/v]


Have you all never played with Dawn? The whole her and Darthe thing has been going on forever. I think Leelou is right that it's becoming a meta to hide behind. The sudden train on Leelou reeks

 

Defense of Leelou noted...have you ever played with Darthe?  Her actions do not appear unreasonable...

 

Bold: He then makes this post where he says he starts each game with an issue with Darthe in response to Dawn following him voting Lee. (Makes his vote on Lee seem less like a joke).

 

Blue: He notes Hally's defense of Lee by voting Dawn.

 

 

 

 Here he tells Hally that Lee earned her sudden train (which I agree) and says it's not worth going after the low hanging fruit (Dawn) unless she tries some terrible gambit or hurts the town. (Fair enough statement). In that same post he says to Hally "I'm confused...you defended a more experienced player because a "newer player" has an obsession...then throw a vote to make competing trains...doesn't look like you want to help Dawn at all...other than to get her lynched." (Which I think was a good point). He asks Thane if he finds Lee or TG scummier, though comments with deadline being close it won't matter much unless 6 players are online to make a switch. When Tina asks if that means he's still thinks Lee is scum he says he can't read her, but her early game was bad. He also says he could switch to TG. He's not real clear on his reasoning for willing to vote TG but he did ask him what CFD meant when TG called for one on Thane. Starts off D2 saying he still doesn't like Lee's play but wants to explore another angle and votes Hally. (I can follow that as he questioned her D1 on her reasoning for voting Dawn). He explains as much here when Darthe and Hally question him on why he's voting her. He points out that Hally had gone MIA during that time and he's curious where she stands atm. She replies saying she'll give Csarmi a break and NotBob says that makes it look like she was looking for an easy noob lynch D1 and asks if she was happy with the NL. Next he does an unoffical VC to show the current vote and who was not voting. He calls Lee's vote on Darthe opportunistic and says he'd prefer a Hally lynch because she's being scumtastic and she's not interested in voting. (Possibly trying to stall Darthe's lynch, but his reason as for why considering at the time he was pursuing Hally and her behavior, makes sense to me.) Again states that he'd prefer a Hally lynch, he could move to Darthe but he sees nothing concrete and he could use a Verb or Lee flip for the intel. (I understand him saying Lee...but why Verb? He's not mentioned him up till this point.) He then votes Hally.

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Count

Darthe(1): Lenlo
Dawn(3): TG, Leelou, Hallia
Tina(1): Krak
Leelou(6): Mynd, NotBob, Dawn, Darthe, Thane, Despo
TG(1): Tina

8 to lynch.  Deadline Saturday at 10 AM EDT (roughly 24 hours from now).

Most suspicious of NotBob

 

 

 

 

@ Hallia,

 

Leelou earned that sudden train...

 

 

 

 

I still don't see how she earned the train.

 

Vote Notbob

 

OMGUS!

 

She earned the train because she sought an easy lynch versus Dawn.  When called out on her vote she defended horribly.  You want to defend that case better?

 

Looks like a relative newcomer joins the games.  She gets tunnel vision with another player.  Even without knowing the history or mention that it was Darthe...I shrug...it happens.  

 

You or Leelou could have tried to talk her through over fixating on a single player.  Instead, it was plunk the votes on Dawn.  When more experienced players look to take out a newer player early I call foul.  The experienced town people have no reason to fear a rookie with limited playing time.  It's only a matter of time before the town gets a good read on her.  In my experience, scum look for easy lynches.  Town looks to scratch the better players to gauge the reactions.  The town does not need an inexperienced player out early with limited interactions.

 

Your interaction since have not impressed.  You follow up trying to justify Leelou's action.  I do not like.  I comment to you on how she earned that train.  You suggest otherwise.  Eventually Dawn exits the game and enter Csarmi.  No longer are you concerned with Dawn or that slot.  You can read Csarmi better you say.  OK.  I guess I read that as...it won't be as easy a lynch I'd better back off.

 

Another comment.  You were comfortable voting Dawn for her "obsession" but have you not done the same thing?  Now that that player is gone you want to chase me because I called you out for it. Over defensiveness noted.

 

She OMGUS votes him saying she's most suspicious of him on Lee's train and she doesn't think Lee earned it. He kindly explains to her how Lee did earn it calls her out for her backpedaling on the Dawn/Csarmi slot and notes her over-defensiveness. 

 

 

 

 When Csarmi questions why Hally would hammer as scum NotBob replies saying Darthe's claim and the counter claim came a couple of hours before deadline. (Not sure what point he was trying to make there. I have a guess but don't want to put words in his mouth.) 

 

 

 

 

I smell the rock that your cooking.

 

Vote Kaylee

There was the vote on me following Krak when, in my opinion, Krak wasn't clear on his reasoning.

 

 

 

 

 Says Len, Hally, Verb and Tina need to say more.  Hammers Len to get the info and because the game has died.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Final Vote Count

Lenlo(5): Kaylee, Des, Leelou, Hallia, NotBob
Hallia(1): Krak
 
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

I wasn't sure on Lenlo but I hammered cause I fully expect to see the scum on Lenlo's train.

 

My reads from scum to town.

 

Hallia/Leelou:  still don't like that interplay from Day 1 when they went after Dawn and they've done nothing since to convince me otherwise.  Highly suspect both are scum.

Kaylee:  seems over aggressive to contribute as to overcome the hand she was dealt by Dice.

Des:  content to sit back and watch has not really contributed like the town Des

Verbal:  should post more but has really offered definitive commentary

Tina:  another who needs to contribute more but the double voter role IMO is usually town.

 

 Gives his first reads list. States why he hammered Len. Basically looking at them he thinks Lee and Hally are scum with me as a possible third. (Staying consistent on his Hally and Lee reads). Says Des isn't contributing as he does when town. (I don't agree with that but that's his opinion). He has Tina and Verb are more likely town yet says they should both post more. Without Tina being a DV, that would leave no confident town reads but at least two strong scum reads. (I don't count me as strong scum read based on the reasons he gave, but I am a scum read of his.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

This game is really dragging.

 

Vote Leelou

 

Acts bored yet doesn't make a case.

 

Votes Lee for being bored yet not making a case. This is funny to me because it seems like a joke. Not sure why when he has repreatedly stated he thinks Lee and Hally are scum. 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary: Consistent play esp in the beginning of the game. He asked questions and stayed on his scum reads. He wasn't on the Darthe lynch but I checked and he wasn't around when the claim/counter claim and all that went down. I don't get what point he was making to Csarmi about Hally's Darthe hammer, I have a guess but will let NotBob speak for himself. NotBob: care to explain that? I didn't understand as you didn't really answer the question. He had a vote on me following Krak and that seemed off to me because I didn't understand the point Krak was trying to make.  Only gave reads once. Those reads hold one firm town read (Tina for her DV), and unsure seeming town read (Verb), and two strong scum reads. That's all good yet when he does vote this phase it's Lee (one of his top scum reads) for a joke seeming reason. I don't understand that. His game up until his reads comes across as town to me. His late game esp since the reads, has me wondering about him. Not sure if he's a deep wolf or not. Could be scum Null to scum.

 

Still be happier with a Hally lynch as I'm more sure of her.