[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Leelou]

Will you share him with me Leelou?

 

Maybe. 

[Verbal32]

I can soulread the hell out of AJ imo

 

I think Des cased him a little but I disagree with Des there entirely. AJ seems legit enthused about this game and is poking around the way I expect from his villager game. He doesn't really rev the engines until he gets a scumflip, but what he's been doing this game is much different than the sort of wishy-washy catch-ups and super-consensus stuff I remember from the VS game

 

Think of it this way: I see AJ as someone who as Mafia, will wait for other players to make the narrative and then constantly push the path of least resistance

 

Which I think is really a pretty generic and usual mafia strategy

Here AJ is trying to make his own narrative

I'm gonna just come out and say that I think this soulreading thing is crap.  No personal offense intended - maybe I just dislike the term itself.  You're still reading their gameplay, and how they interact with others, whether they are being aggressive/passive (or passive-aggressive, lol), and some meta.

 

If you are trying to say that soulreading = being able to read that person better than you can others, then fine.  But it is still just reading them based on gameplay, with varying results depending on the player.  I don't like "because, soulread" as a method to clear somebody.

 

As for the rest of your post, I disagree with you and agree with Nyn.  AJ does appear to be going with the flow so far - I think Nyn pointed that out well in her explanation (thanks for reminding me who it was, Nyn).  I agree with what you're saying for a scum player vs a town player, but I think you are incorrectly attributing what AJ has done thus far to townplay.

 

Hey, its early, and you might simply be better at reading AJ's playstyle/meta/interactions than some of us are.  But to clear him based on support that doesn't appear to match the criteria you've set out is suspicious on your part.

[Leelou]

Lazy, how long has it been since you played mafia? Just curious. 

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

 

 

Eh, put Nyn up higher

I think I'm just tinfoiling

 

Put her between Lazy and Verb

No

 

No splitting lazy and verbage. We is tight like tigers.

 

 

doth protest too much

 

 

I think everyone loves them a little verb.

 

 

It's his brown eyes. 

 

 

That just means I'm full of sh*t.  Well, that's what my aunt always said.  Another one-liner from her when it was raining and I didn't want to go out in it - "You're neither sh*t nor sugar, so you won't melt."

 

Interestingly enough, she is my favorite aunt.  hehe

[Leelou]

I actually agree with Nyn on AJ as well. He's been going with the flow and not really turning over any rocks and digging anything out. 

[Cory Caboose]

 

I can soulread the hell out of AJ imo

 

I think Des cased him a little but I disagree with Des there entirely. AJ seems legit enthused about this game and is poking around the way I expect from his villager game. He doesn't really rev the engines until he gets a scumflip, but what he's been doing this game is much different than the sort of wishy-washy catch-ups and super-consensus stuff I remember from the VS game

 

Think of it this way: I see AJ as someone who as Mafia, will wait for other players to make the narrative and then constantly push the path of least resistance

 

Which I think is really a pretty generic and usual mafia strategy

Here AJ is trying to make his own narrative

I'm gonna just come out and say that I think this soulreading thing is crap.  No personal offense intended - maybe I just dislike the term itself.  You're still reading their gameplay, and how they interact with others, whether they are being aggressive/passive (or passive-aggressive, lol), and some meta.

 

If you are trying to say that soulreading = being able to read that person better than you can others, then fine.  But it is still just reading them based on gameplay, with varying results depending on the player.  I don't like "because, soulread" as a method to clear somebody.

 

As for the rest of your post, I disagree with you and agree with Nyn.  AJ does appear to be going with the flow so far - I think Nyn pointed that out well in her explanation (thanks for reminding me who it was, Nyn).  I agree with what you're saying for a scum player vs a town player, but I think you are incorrectly attributing what AJ has done thus far to townplay.

 

Hey, its early, and you might simply be better at reading AJ's playstyle/meta/interactions than some of us are.  But to clear him based on support that doesn't appear to match the criteria you've set out is suspicious on your part.

 

 

bold = basically, a lot of it is tone as well. i have seen AJ up close and personal as town and this reminds me of his town game a lot

 

tone reads are sort of like the kwanzaa of mafia here, so that's not something worth a 3-page discussion

 

i really don't care if you think i'm suspicious for feeling confident in something i feel confident in

[Cory Caboose]

though i'm happy to discuss AJ further

 

this will make great reread material 

[Cory Caboose]

I hope you get angry that I'm basically going to clear you as town too, Verb

 

You're clear

 

DWI

[Leelou]

 

It's his brown eyes. 

 

 

That just means I'm full of sh*t.  Well, that's what my aunt always said.  Another one-liner from her when it was raining and I didn't want to go out in it - "You're neither sh*t nor sugar, so you won't melt."

 

Interestingly enough, she is my favorite aunt.  hehe

 

 

 

[Verbal32]

 

 

I can soulread the hell out of AJ imo

 

I think Des cased him a little but I disagree with Des there entirely. AJ seems legit enthused about this game and is poking around the way I expect from his villager game. He doesn't really rev the engines until he gets a scumflip, but what he's been doing this game is much different than the sort of wishy-washy catch-ups and super-consensus stuff I remember from the VS game

 

Think of it this way: I see AJ as someone who as Mafia, will wait for other players to make the narrative and then constantly push the path of least resistance

 

Which I think is really a pretty generic and usual mafia strategy

Here AJ is trying to make his own narrative

I'm gonna just come out and say that I think this soulreading thing is crap.  No personal offense intended - maybe I just dislike the term itself.  You're still reading their gameplay, and how they interact with others, whether they are being aggressive/passive (or passive-aggressive, lol), and some meta.

 

If you are trying to say that soulreading = being able to read that person better than you can others, then fine.  But it is still just reading them based on gameplay, with varying results depending on the player.  I don't like "because, soulread" as a method to clear somebody.

 

As for the rest of your post, I disagree with you and agree with Nyn.  AJ does appear to be going with the flow so far - I think Nyn pointed that out well in her explanation (thanks for reminding me who it was, Nyn).  I agree with what you're saying for a scum player vs a town player, but I think you are incorrectly attributing what AJ has done thus far to townplay.

 

Hey, its early, and you might simply be better at reading AJ's playstyle/meta/interactions than some of us are.  But to clear him based on support that doesn't appear to match the criteria you've set out is suspicious on your part.

 

 

bold = basically, a lot of it is tone as well. i have seen AJ up close and personal as town and this reminds me of his town game a lot

 

tone reads are sort of like the kwanzaa of mafia here, so that's not something worth a 3-page discussion

 

i really don't care if you think i'm suspicious for feeling confident in something i feel confident in

 

 

Bleh, tone.  I'm with Clov on that one.

 

And you should care if somebody multiple people are leaning town on has you as suspicious.  Haven't you said before that establishing a town core is very important early on?  I agree with that, and I'd think you'd want to be seen as town early to help that plan move forward.

 

Good scum players can feign confidence easily.  That is not a good way to reason it.

 

 

 

 

 

inb4 you use your obligatory "come @ me" line  ;-)

[Hallia]

 

Nyn you've earned my due diligence (because ) and I read over Day of Arkham (the last game you were Mafia according to your list) and you were basically invisible that game

 

With that said, things are probably a little different for you with players like me in the game who try to drag out invisible players kicking and screaming :P

So, in your opinion, how do you think you would approach the game as Mafia with the sort of player's list we have now?

 

What makes you think I alter my style because of who's playing?  Besides, I don't remember who were the players back in the Arkham game, but I'm sure they were equally competent to the ones in this game.

 

Generally speaking, In the times I rolled scum I tried to play as I do as town (not sure if I actually managed to, but that's what I was going for). I'm generally rather nervous and try to hide it.

 

I like rolling town better. I'm more comfortable in my own skin, so to speak.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town!  (And pretty town too )

 

 

 

Uh oh, Pral/Hallia not clear yet

 

Looks like I'm mafia again 

 

You can be town for now.  Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

 

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement.  There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work?  It works both ways.

 

Vote Mish

[Verbal32]

I hope you get angry that I'm basically going to clear you as town too, Verb

 

You're clear

 

DWI

 

No, I don't mind being cleared.  I also don't mind being a scum lean on D1.

[Cory Caboose]

Why would I want you to come @ me? I'm pretty confident you're a villager, I played extremely similar in TRW when you were Mafia and you just sort of let me do it lol

 

If you want to #FullDarthe at me I guess I have enough energy to go @ it for three pages but it would accomplish basically nothing

 

Anyone who isn't seeing me as town isn't reading my posts, but I'm not going to change my reads because another villager thinks I'm wrong when I'm pretty sure I'm right

 

That's not what "establishing a town base" is about

[Leelou]

 

 

Nyn you've earned my due diligence (because ) and I read over Day of Arkham (the last game you were Mafia according to your list) and you were basically invisible that game

 

With that said, things are probably a little different for you with players like me in the game who try to drag out invisible players kicking and screaming :P

So, in your opinion, how do you think you would approach the game as Mafia with the sort of player's list we have now?

 

What makes you think I alter my style because of who's playing?  Besides, I don't remember who were the players back in the Arkham game, but I'm sure they were equally competent to the ones in this game.

 

Generally speaking, In the times I rolled scum I tried to play as I do as town (not sure if I actually managed to, but that's what I was going for). I'm generally rather nervous and try to hide it.

 

I like rolling town better. I'm more comfortable in my own skin, so to speak.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town!  (And pretty town too )

 

 

 

Uh oh, Pral/Hallia not clear yet

 

Looks like I'm mafia again 

 

You can be town for now.  Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

 

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement.  There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work?  It works both ways.

 

Vote Mish

 

 

She wasn't even being attacked, which makes her statements about sleep even more weird. 

[Cory Caboose]

 

Uh oh, Pral/Hallia not clear yet

 

Looks like I'm mafia again 

 

You can be town for now.  Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

 

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement.  There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work?  It works both ways.

 

Vote Mish

 

 

TOAN!!!

 

(I think the general difference between my town and scum game is that while i lead in both roles i'm more of a tyrant when i'm mafia and i facilitate/poke around/let people come to their own conclusions and lead when i have high confidence in something - there is player on my home forum named jepg that can soulread me sickeningly well on this alone)

[Cory Caboose]

Verb - think of this from my perspective irt Twilight Mafia

 

that game, I pretty much strongly townread Des and Tina immediately and got a huge amount of flack for it (specifically from Darthe) as Tina was not really consensus at that point and what I thought made her a villa was "too thin" regardless of my confidence based on the way she was thinking

 

I died and you guys lynched Tina the next day, who was of course a town PR

 

I get that you want to come to the read naturally and I like that and that's basically how you SHOULD play, and I'm not just going to clear AJ forever because of what I thought of him early, but if I know him as a player I expect it'll be pretty obvious before the end of Day 1

 

And if I die and you guys lynch AJ and he's town (which he probably is) you can bet the deadthread will be named Never Go #FullVerbal and you will be cast into a sea of rage

[Leelou]

Since we are on the topic, I find the raging that goes on in dead threads to be extreme from time to time. I can understand being upset, but not everyone sees things the same, but going off on players to the extent that I've seen happen is uncalled for and unsportsmanlike. 

[Cory Caboose]

I mostly just hit on people in deadthreads

 

I do yell at Darthe, but, yanno, Darthe

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

[Leelou]

Wow, too much coffee. Put far too many buts in that one sentence. 

[Verbal32]

Why would I want you to come @ me? I'm pretty confident you're a villager, I played extremely similar in TRW when you were Mafia and you just sort of let me do it lol

 

If you want to #FullDarthe at me I guess I have enough energy to go @ it for three pages but it would accomplish basically nothing

 

Anyone who isn't seeing me as town isn't reading my posts, but I'm not going to change my reads because another villager thinks I'm wrong when I'm pretty sure I'm right

 

That's not what "establishing a town base" is about

 

Hmph.  I would think you'd be concerned that a townie thinks one of your solid reads could be wrong.  Note that I'm not saying you ARE wrong...I just happen to currently disagree with your read on AJ.  But your initial defense of that is just "because, soulread", which I don't think helps convince me that I'm the one who is wrong.  Wouldn't that be your goal?  To create a town core and convince other townies who might not be seeing it as you do that they are wrong and you are right?  If so, I'd think you would want to pick apart Nyn's assessment of AJ and explain how it is wrong.  Because if a few other people agree with Nyn (and myself), you'd be looking at a potential town core that doesn't include you in it.

 

Re: the #FullDarthe comment - while I was joking around with the "come @ me" thing, I didn't expect you to dismiss it like that with a comment that implies I'd be acting dumb to do it.  Am I interpreting this wrong?  Please advise.

[Verbal32]

Verb - think of this from my perspective irt Twilight Mafia

 

that game, I pretty much strongly townread Des and Tina immediately and got a huge amount of flack for it (specifically from Darthe) as Tina was not really consensus at that point and what I thought made her a villa was "too thin" regardless of my confidence based on the way she was thinking

 

I died and you guys lynched Tina the next day, who was of course a town PR

 

I get that you want to come to the read naturally and I like that and that's basically how you SHOULD play, and I'm not just going to clear AJ forever because of what I thought of him early, but if I know him as a player I expect it'll be pretty obvious before the end of Day 1

 

And if I die and you guys lynch AJ and he's town (which he probably is) you can bet the deadthread will be named Never Go #FullVerbal and you will be cast into a sea of rage

 

We are not lynching AJ on D1.  Don't worry.  While I'm sure Darthe doesn't care about the #FullDarthe joke, and I for sure don't care if you want to try applying that to me if I make a mistake in a game.......others don't have the thick skin that Darthe does.  I'm not sure that line of jokes is a good one, even if it is made with honest & joking intentions.  Let's just leave that one in a ditch somewhere.

 

:-)

[Cory Caboose]

 

Why would I want you to come @ me? I'm pretty confident you're a villager, I played extremely similar in TRW when you were Mafia and you just sort of let me do it lol

 

If you want to #FullDarthe at me I guess I have enough energy to go @ it for three pages but it would accomplish basically nothing

 

Anyone who isn't seeing me as town isn't reading my posts, but I'm not going to change my reads because another villager thinks I'm wrong when I'm pretty sure I'm right

 

That's not what "establishing a town base" is about

 

Hmph.  I would think you'd be concerned that a townie thinks one of your solid reads could be wrong.  Note that I'm not saying you ARE wrong...I just happen to currently disagree with your read on AJ.  But your initial defense of that is just "because, soulread", which I don't think helps convince me that I'm the one who is wrong.  Wouldn't that be your goal?  To create a town core and convince other townies who might not be seeing it as you do that they are wrong and you are right?  If so, I'd think you would want to pick apart Nyn's assessment of AJ and explain how it is wrong.  Because if a few other people agree with Nyn (and myself), you'd be looking at a potential town core that doesn't include you in it.

 

Re: the #FullDarthe comment - while I was joking around with the "come @ me" thing, I didn't expect you to dismiss it like that with a comment that implies I'd be acting dumb to do it.  Am I interpreting this wrong?  Please advise.

 

 

 

 

 

Meh, go big or go home

 

Still no active howlers, but I feel okay about my greens and great about my blues

 

Nulls are in no real order

 

Tina

Andrej

 

Thane

BFG

Verbal

Lazy

Leelou 

Despo

Clov

Nynaeve

 

 

Pralaya

Mish

RTE

Hallia

Dice

 

Too many villagers not enough wolves ATM, which actually is a super good thing

 

Maybe I'm just the optimist this game and we are all town?

 

Why so sure on AJ?  I thought somebody (can't remember who) pointed out some bolded quotes of his where he seemed to be taking the easy stances on everything, and using general agreement phrasing for his opinions.

 

How does that translate to your solid town read?

 

 

I can soulread the hell out of AJ imo

 

I think Des cased him a little but I disagree with Des there entirely. AJ seems legit enthused about this game and is poking around the way I expect from his villager game. He doesn't really rev the engines until he gets a scumflip, but what he's been doing this game is much different than the sort of wishy-washy catch-ups and super-consensus stuff I remember from the VS game

 

Think of it this way: I see AJ as someone who as Mafia, will wait for other players to make the narrative and then constantly push the path of least resistance

 

Which I think is really a pretty generic and usual mafia strategy

Here AJ is trying to make his own narrative

 

 

 

 

 

from the hip, not enough that i feel the need to reread ATM

 

no wolves yet, but i got a handful of villagers

 

Andrej

Tina

BFG

Thane

Leelou 

 

everyone else is varying degrees of null i don't feel like arbitrarily sorting out

 

i guess if there's any onus of pressure it would be on Nyn, Verb, Des and Clov as they have enough content and they haven't hit the villager list but a lot of people haven't said much of anything yet so I'm a couple miles away from a vote

 

I will eventually read Clov's soul but he hasn't been too visible yet

 

Where's the Andre read coming from, and to a lesser degree, BFG and Thane?  You said Tina and Leelou were had an increased chance of town after their voting, but I haven't seen anything that really makes me feel confident in anybody's chances to be town so fa

 

Just trust me as being the GOAT townreader and things you don't believe in like TOAN

 

It's hard to elaborate, I guess

 

AJ is the type of player I think I can read very quickly when he's a villager. We have similar thought process and he has intent to rock the boat IMO - I think he will get more obvious to you all as the game goes on but I've already seen enough

 

Thane I have only seen as Mafia and he seems more relaxed

 

BFG a couple of things, but I really liked her conversation with AJ

 

 

tired of talking about this

[Cory Caboose]

 

Why would I want you to come @ me? I'm pretty confident you're a villager, I played extremely similar in TRW when you were Mafia and you just sort of let me do it lol

 

If you want to #FullDarthe at me I guess I have enough energy to go @ it for three pages but it would accomplish basically nothing

 

Anyone who isn't seeing me as town isn't reading my posts, but I'm not going to change my reads because another villager thinks I'm wrong when I'm pretty sure I'm right

 

That's not what "establishing a town base" is about

 

Hmph.  I would think you'd be concerned that a townie thinks one of your solid reads could be wrong.  Note that I'm not saying you ARE wrong...I just happen to currently disagree with your read on AJ.  But your initial defense of that is just "because, soulread", which I don't think helps convince me that I'm the one who is wrong.  Wouldn't that be your goal?  To create a town core and convince other townies who might not be seeing it as you do that they are wrong and you are right?  If so, I'd think you would want to pick apart Nyn's assessment of AJ and explain how it is wrong.  Because if a few other people agree with Nyn (and myself), you'd be looking at a potential town core that doesn't include you in it.

 

Re: the #FullDarthe comment - while I was joking around with the "come @ me" thing, I didn't expect you to dismiss it like that with a comment that implies I'd be acting dumb to do it.  Am I interpreting this wrong?  Please advise.

 

 

This is Day 1, the hardest day to get right, and my townreads are always way better than my scumreads early and it's not like it makes me ignore anything

Case and point - I "lock cleared" Leelou/Hallia Day 1 of TRW and on reread later that day decided they were prob Mafia. Me putting a read out there isn't final, and it's fine that you disagree with it as long as you have natural reason to (and I get where you are coming from)

 

At this point I don't mind prompting discussion and giving out snap reads, but you trying to throw dirt on my credibility here is annoying and absurdly similar to when Darthe went on his "You aren't fit to find Mafia" tirade in Twilight that led to me raging for about 6 pages on the deadthread

 

I have my process, you have yours. I'm not getting in your way and when I feel confident in something you'll know

 

And I have never said "Because, soulread"

 

I'm a thought-process player, I find Mafia by getting to know how people think and seeing if their process matches up with where they are at. I have had a lot of success doing it. So far, AJ has lined it up with how I believe Town!AJ would see the game.

[Verbal32]

I'm not throwing dirt on your credibility.  I'm just questioning one of them based on my disagreement.  I would imagine you can see where I'm coming from, right?  You think I'm town, so imagine my POV on this.

 

Don't get all emotional about it.  I'm not saying you aren't fit to find mafia.  Jeez.  If anything, I'm discussing this with you because I can align well with your D1 approach.  I'm not a D1 scumhunter.  I'd rather find a couple town, and can do better scumhunting D2+ because of efforts on D1 (not necessarily efforts by myself).  So I can align with your efforts, but I need to hash out my main disagreement with you.

 

If you're going to rail against me because I'm discussing this with you, then we aren't going to have a productive D1.