[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Lenlo]

 

He's avoiding my question too.

 

Who's up for a Pral lynch?

Thinking about it. One problem is that a few games ago I was scum and he was a really easy mislynch on D1. I don't remember exactly what he said, but he had a habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Anyone else remember this?

 

Aye, Pral is kind of an easy lynch, so I want to see if he picks it up later.

[Tommyrod]

For comparison, here are Pral's first 5 posts in the Twilight game where he was scum with me.

 

 

 

 

How many teams are there?!!

I need to make an informed decision, guys.Please help me

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Jack (1) - Cory

Hallia (1) - Jack

Clov (1) - Tina

Salami (1) - Hallia

Darthe (1) - Des-Des

Des-Des (1) - Dawn

Verbal (1) - Clov

 

Not Voting - BFG, Darthe, Dice, Salami, Verbal, Pral, Lenlo

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

We can´t have it like this. 

 

Unvote. Vote Jack

 

Reading town on Tina for this. She is much more careful and would never go for a rash move as scum. 

 

Csarmi and Jack's reaction on this is null, IMo. Jack seemed to have just questioned Tina for her vote though making it like an OMGUS vote. Csarmi does this kind of questioning every game. What is different is that he is not as active this game, but he clarified in his latest post saying that he had some RL issues 

 

Des and Darthe had a back and forth after this. I found Darthe's argument to be convincing and he also seems to genuinely scumhunt later in the thread. Des is always mixed around this period. His quick change of votes with the excuse of testing reactions doesn't exactly look good. SLightly leaning scum on him.

 

 

I think Jack is town and im undecided on Des. Darthe I want to lean town atm and im thinking Tina could use more pressure because ever since that vote on Jack shes been coasting and letting others do the fighting for her.

 

##Vote Tina

 

Don't really like this vote. He mentions putting pressure on her but it looks more like wanting to push her case further.

 

After Tina's response, he is still good about his read on her

 

Alright now Tina shows up. Doesnt give any reads on any of the main contenders in that scuffle, straddles the fence and then trys to move it to someone who would, most likely imo, be an easier lynch than Jack.

 

Still feeling good about where I am.

 

Tina does give her opinions on Des, Darthe, Jack in her post without giving reads. However, with just 1-2 pages of serious play, I don't understand what he expects of her, other than comfirming his bias. 

 

I explained my csarmi vote before Tina's: csarmi's second post of this game is a "Why, what's wrong" to Tina's response to Jack (? IIRC) - I see that sort of prodding to be rare for town (who are looking more into interactions than being sympathetic mediators), Last game I played with town Salami he was very #YOLO and spammy and this game he's been absent and his few posts have been very reserved; I was maf with him once of VS and remember him being very reserved about it.

 

Des making an exaggerated case early day 1 is town Des MO; he tries to get the ball rolling instead of being a gutless instigator like you are being

 

I doubt Tina calls that much attention to herself as town; I've read one game where she was Maf on VS and she was happy to slank to victory as a half-absentee

 

Give me something concrete, because this "well look at these train formations" wishy-washy commit to nothing one-of-these-three-is-Mafia-but-maybe-not hogwash does not look good on you.

 

Cory, who also had sudden and unexplained "reaction testing" posts as Des, does bring out a better read in this post. I agree about Tina but not the read regarding Des. However, the post is to the point and makes me lean town on Cory. 

 

Lastly, Dawn is null. Clov seems to be slightly leaning scum. I don't know either of their playstyles very well, but the posts by Clov seems to be slightly nudging stuff here and there. BFG is null too, having seen only one of her post which is her usual recap. 

 

 

 

vote Lenlo

 

 

 

Pral jumps in and with his second post of the game goes to bat for Tina. You don't like my vote cause I'm not just putting pressure on her, I'm pushing my case on her? Ofc I am! If I don't seriously Pursue it then it's not real pressure, it's a half-baked vote that she can shrug off.

On phone do these might be abit weird with capitols and such. Sorry.

 

Except you didn't exactly put pressure on her. One post where you mention about putting pressure and then another where you confirm your suspicion and some minor mentions of Tina here and there. I don't see that as seriously pursuing it. 

 

 

 

 

What you said about the playstyle is pretty true - especially since, at this point, I am playing worse than I did in my last 2 games (not worse as in scummier, worse as in seeming more new) when I think about it. 

 

I'm not getting very good reads this game. Yes, you are at the top of my list for scum - and not just because you are Team Jacob. If that was the case, I'd probably have unvoted you by now and voted Tina or Clov (the other 2 I have scum reads for) instead. The tone of your posts sounds kind of similar to the tone of someone who happened to be mafia in another game I played.

 

Since 3 seems to be the usual number of scum in a game, I'm guessing that the 3 scum are you, Tina, and Clov. 

 

Honsetly, Csarmi does not seem very scummy to me.

 

 

To the bold. Most of the people do not get good reads Day 1. You are not alone, don't let it disappoint you, hehe. As the game goes on, you will get better reads.

 

That said, as Tina said, you have been talking about Des but not about Tina and Clov. Why do you have a scum read on them?

 

 

Apparently {Quote = name} (with correct brackets) is not the way to get the poster's name to show up in a quote.

 

Did you put the name in quotes? [ quote = "name" ] should work.

 

 

 

So I think Tina is town because she put out a #gamestarter vote that looked to be trying to get reactions, then followed it up with analytical posts showing she was studying those reactions. I find this to be a strong indication of someone trying to #solve.

 

Do you think that is scummy? If so, why?

I think it null that she did it to get the game going, thats fine. What I didnt like it was she voted and then tossed to the baton to anyone that would pick it up, which just so happened to be you. Now I think its null because everyone would want the game to get going, scum and town alike imo but thats cause whenever im mafia I enjoy getting into the thick of things and worming my way out.

 

If the game is mostly fluff and little gameplay, which favors the scumteam, do you think it would be a good idea to try and stop that and get more gameplay going?

Yes it would be a good idea, I just disagree with the way she did it. If she had stuck around and answered Jacks accusations or atleast continued to push it it would have been fine. The nwhen she finally comes back she doesnt vie a read on the major players in the confrontation. She just recaps everything that happened and then basically calls you all null. Thats scummy and fence sitting imo and Prals def of "Well its only 15 pages of gameplay how can she get reads in that" is bad. You can easily get reads in that. Specially with that kinda confrontation. ((Think it was Pral that said that?))

 

Cause generally speaking, that's not a good idea for a scummie to do.

Depends on the player imo. You and I as scum have no problem jump starting crap and getting into the middle of things cause for me atleast its alot funner than just sitting out and being passive. Dunno bout your motivations. :P

 

It could have been done to try and get towncred, but again, the way she followed it up makes this less likely imo.

She didnt follow it up well though imo, which is where we are disagreeing. I think her followup was bad and you think it was good.

 

Work with me here Lenlo.

First get me a nice cup of tea, Earl Grey White 2 drops of honey and some cream. Chop chop.

 

 

This response from Lenlo seemed better compared to his earlier posts. Back to null but still wary.

 

unvote

 

 

What do you all think? Funny that he pushes Len again

[Lenlo]

I dont think Pral likes me very much :(

[Tsukibana]

 

 

Was Clov bothering you earlier (if so, when and how) or did you just find my case compelling?

 

He just seems like the type of player that should be on the offense, not acting defensive and harping on small issues, the the Basel/Zanube sheeping comment. He

dug at that pretty hard. In my experience, scum hold onto single threads longer than others.

 

Why do you say that?

 

Because his posts show an ability to go out and dig. Townies with this ability start early, and start pushing. They don't wait to be targeted.

[Tommyrod]

Okay, here's the town Pral game where I lynched him. It was House MD Mafia.

 

 

 

 

 

Fishing, Wombat?

 

Are you scum?

 

 

 

Just curious.

Why so serious?

 

 

 

 

Key making puns.

OMG

Run!

 

 

Hahhaa, you have no idea.  My husband groans whenever I ask him if he wants to hear a joke. 

 

 

He is a groan-up. He should be able to understand.

 

 

 

But, doesn't Des get lynched Day 1 if he is scum?

 

 

 

It's not that.  CS quit because I brought up the meta of you two during that interaction (his early claims and what you think about early claims).  If I understand correctly he thinks that means I am using something from ongoing games in this game and that I am playing contrary to the spirit of mafia.

 

That sounds like an extremely emo reason to quit. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fishing, Wombat?

Are you scum?

 

I'm town. I win with town. That's the only way I can win.

 

 

Fishing, Wombat?

Are you scum?

 

Why do you ask me in particular?

 

Just curious.
Why so serious?

So so contrived
That whole interaction feels hollow

 

Contrived? No. Pointless? Maybe.
It was at a time when the game was not even properly started. Although, it is good that you pointed it out. Getting a town feel on you.

Most of the people went for the easy-prey Csarmi.
Des did. TGlems did, although he deleted that post, I think.

Darthe and Amega went after Des though, for similar responses.

I bet a couple of scum are lying in these names.

 

 

 

Speaking of which how many people has Des voted already?

Turin. Joke vote.

Checking in!

Vote Turin

Cause he's prob already tunneling me.

Early fishing vote
 

Bolded=buddying. First actual ping of the game. Let's start here.

Unvote, Vote Wombat

Scummy csarmi vote
 

 

My opinion is that when you're town, you tend to hurt town more than help it.

 
1. Coming from you, this is freaking hilarious. There's a reason your play gets compared to EP and Ley a bunch.
 
2. Just wildly untrue. I almost never lose as town, and when I do it's usually cause I was NK'ed early.
 

4. I don't even think you believe this.
 
Unvote, Vote Fishlami.

 

OMGUS amega vote
 

I'm FAR more often town than scum. It must be Darthe or Cloud you're thinking of, those dudes are ALWAYS mafia.
 
And you just started playing again after like, a year hiatus. Small sample size alert?
 
Also could be fake imo. Plus it's a nudge. Me no likee nudges.
 
Vote Amega.

A reasoned vote on Darthe
 

What what WHAT?

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

And you're Darthe.

Unvote, Vote Darthe

Not to mention hundreds of nudges in between.

He isn't town. Nope.

vote Des

 

 

We got a bus vote over here

 

 

Your cognitive thought process is inextricably ambiguous

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever seen me play Pray? Like at all? Cause vote-hopping is nowhere near a scumtell for me. It is at best a nulltell. As is casting a wide net of fos's. Turrible vote.

 

 

Yes, I have seen you play and that is exactly why my vote is there. You vote hop but not to this extent. You are throwing your votes here like beads at Mardi Gras. 

 

 

My opinion is he looks a LOT more free-flowing and genuine in the House game than he did as scum in Twilight or than he does in this game.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Wow, game starts when I am sleeping and already it is 8+ pages by the time i wake up.

This is going to be fun *sigh*

 

 

 

Here. Vote Tommy. Cause he's always scum and there's just no way a lawnmower carries enough fuel to reach orbit.

Basel goes without abandon when he is town. And, I feel he is trying to do the same here. He continues with this thought even in the later posts when dealing with Tommy. He usually gets lynched D1 when he is town :)

took a double take at this. glad kaylee asked. Not feeling tommy yet. Haven't seen him try the ##teamalliance thing once yet. 
 
Also not feeling dawthe yet as much of anything.. darthe is probably dragging them down

I don't know why this #alliance thing gets brought up again and again. I have seen their games and althought they act all buddy with each other D1, they usually get against once the game progresses. Just a distraction talk.

That said, I have barely seen Tommy as town. That too in one game which did not have Cory or others. So, nearly impossible to determine his alignment just on a few pages in D1.

i got mentored so i have been trying to change my style to be more effective and less of a hindrance that should explain the posting style change and pretty much eliminate that last post of yours.

Did not see any change in your style of posting IN the game you were mentored on. Why would it suddenly change here?

I'm getting pretty sick of DM towns.
 
It's the "WaFia" mentality of everyone act scummy and we'll just lynch annoying players.
 
IF YOU ARE TOWN, YOU HAVE TWO GOALS:
 
1) CLEAR YOURSELF AS TOWN (THROUGH EFFORT, GOOD ANALYSIS, WHATEVER)
2) LYNCH MAFIA
 
If you're FoSing somebody for doing #1 you are going to struggle to do #2

Not really getting good vibes on this early show of frustration by Cory. It is too early to get frustrated and because of that it seems fake - as if trying to get some town cred. Also, putting a bit of fear on newer players that they might mess up.

>.>  okey dokey....
 
Everyone please stop posting. You've upset Pralaya. :P

I had a dream ..........

last night that this game had started and I was GOATing it. Don't blame me !

What's up with the people who came in here hella grumpy about there being a fairly scant eight or nine pages? It wasn't even all spam like in Darthe's game.

What do you people want and how can I make your gaming experience more enjoyable?

Not a troll question, just wondering what it is you want.

Please come online at 3:30 AM EST when I am the most active :P

 

 

 

A bit busy week at work this week. Should get better later this week but not before.

Anyway, just had a read of the entire thread. Here are my reads of players. Took longer than expected.

1. Zanube - has a couple more posts than me :) I am particularly interested that his two main scum reads are those with the largest trains currently. Agreed that he could be influenced by the opinions of others, but that definitely stands out. Null.

2. Clovdyx - Has been pretty good at scumhunting. Like posts like this and this where he is actively questioning and scumhunting. Leaning town.Town.

3. CrayLee (Kaylee/Cory): In my other post, I mentioned how I was slightly suspicious of Cory. Kaylee does not seem very straightforward in her posts. I am a bit iffy of the fact that she is sure of me being town (here and here) with just one post, especially in which I call Cory out as my top suspect (which she does not address btw). Her vote on Amega looked like a good jumping-on-the-train vote. Leaning scum

4. Tsuki - His "case" and vote on Darthe seemed forced and quite opportunistic. However, I agree with his point on Hallia and in general, his other reads somewhat matches with mine. Null read however.

5. Amega - I see him making an effort to put his thoughts down, similar to what I noticed in the last game I played with him. Haven't played with him enough to know his meta. He is usually an easy target because of his aggressive posting. And, I believe that is what is happening in this game. I can see scum pushing his train. Leaning town.

6. Yates - Milton, Vanilla Town - Modkilled D1

7. Leno - He is in his usual jokey + occasional analytical meta. Tough to get whether he is town or scum. Though he seems to have parked his vote on Amega, and playing a safe game. A very safe game. Leaning scum.

8. Dawthe (Darthe/Dawn) - I do not agree with Tommy here about emotional Darthe. Darthe in Twillight game showed a lot of frustration and had an emotional outburst with Cory. I feel he is usualy like that Day 1 and starts bringing his good game D3 onwards. Again, leaning town here.

9. Hallia - from his posts, she seems the usual Hally with low content on Day 1. Null read on her, but slightly town intuition wise.

10. Pral - Town, yes.

11. Nommy (Nyn/Tommy): I have not seen him as town yet, except for a game I modded. So, it is difficult to get a good read on him. Though I notice that when he is scum he picks on any small opportunity/slips he gets and drils down to trap a townie in the ensuing arguments. I am not seeing that aggressive Tommy here. It feels more like he is looking at various persons and getting his reads. Leaning town.

12. Mish - Slightly iffy on her with her nudges in this post and here. She usually does that a lot when she is scum but not seeing enough of that here. Null, but could be scum. INteresting she clears Len and Kaylee as town here who are my top 2 scum reads.

13. Basel - As I mentioned in my earlier post, think he is town because of his posting without abandon. It has not lessened even in his later posts.

Overall, I think Len, Craylee are scum - Tsuki/Zanube/Mish/Hallia null - Tommy, Darthe, Basel, Amega, Clov town.

vote Craylee

 

 

 

COME @ US PRAL

Not this week. No time. But, next week, definitely !

But,
 

Pray: I was reading him as town from his reads post, but since then he's went missing and that's not like him as town. He seems to[/size]

 only be posting reads after being baited into doing so and that CrayLee and Tommy have both voted him and Amega and maybe he's trying to play us against each other. Could be scum[/size]
Mish: As I've said I'm reading her as town[/size]

Things like this is why I think Kaylee is iffy. Not only was this reaction to my read bad but creating a motive out of thin air and using it as a basis to formulate her read on me looks terrible.

(P.S No, I wasn't "baited". I was prodded by the mod :))

 

 

 

 

 

Amega seems to be making this personal so idk how to proceed with him anyway

Pral on the other hand has two posts in the thread, one where he FoSed me hard for voting Amega saying Amega was a scapegoat but has town leans on Tommy and Mish, who were a part of the early Amega push

First, I FoSed you for your frustration post. Second, the point I was making is is the timing of the push. I talked about Kaylee getting an easy jump on the Amega train, which is what it felt like. Thisrd, Mish is also slightly suspect in my list.

As I mentioned about Tommy, a scum Tommy would not leave an opportunistic push against Amega and would have pushed at it hard. I am not seeing it here and hence my town read.

 

 

 

Len or Craylee would be my choice today.

Not sold on the Clov/Amega/Darthe wagons.Those have looked extremely easy for the scum to jump into.

 

 

 

 

Len or Craylee would be my choice today.Not sold on the Clov/Amega/Darthe wagons.Those have looked extremely easy for the scum to jump into.

See I didn't think your reasonings for those were particularly strong. For instance you say I'm on a very very safe lynch. Yet why is it safe? Can you explain that part to me?

 

You had a scum lean on Darthe. I felt your reaction to Darthe when he blind voted you to be playing very safe.

This is the post.

Also, you haven't gone hard at anyone else other than these two either.

 

 

 

 

Wat? The Clov wagon didn't even exist until an hour ago.

Yes, but when I see my null/lean scum reads jump on it by easily agreeing with what you say, you know that pings hard for me.

 

 

 

 

Basically you're advocating for the lynch of two of the more town-like players in this thread. What's up with that?

Your perspective, not mine

Clov, for instance. What do you not buy about my case on him?

My experience with Clov is in one game, where he was scum. And, I feel there, he was actually following up on the weak responses to his questions and trying to nail them. Although not very actively but I could see the intent there. Just like he went against Despo early in the game.

Here, it is more like interrogate and leave at it or see who has made some slip, which is where I don't see the parallel to his scum game.

 

 

 

Here are his posts from this game.

I dunno actually.

[Cory Caboose]

I think this game is is like 95% solved

 

My guess is Dawthe is the townie I am looking for

 

Just sort of want flips at this point

[Tommyrod]

I think this game is is like 95% solved

 

My guess is Dawthe is the townie I am looking for

 

Just sort of want flips at this point

Your scum team is?

[Cory Caboose]

Tommy how confident are you on Clov?

[Cory Caboose]

 

I think this game is is like 95% solved

 

My guess is Dawthe is the townie I am looking for

 

Just sort of want flips at this point

Your scum team is?

 

Woof

[Tommyrod]

Tommy how confident are you on Clov?

I'm about to go compare his early scum posts from twilight with these posts

[Tommyrod]

LOL CLOV IS LOCK SCUM JESUS

 

LOOK AT HIS POSTS AS SCUM IN TWILIGHT

 

IT'S ALL THE SAME JUNK: COMMENTARY MODE AND USELESS ONE-OFF QUESTIONS

 

 

 

 

Vote Verbal

 

For having a team.

 

 

 

 

 

(is very ashamed of her country right now, from a few years ago anyway)

 

My surgery went pretty okay - but I am sort of wishing I went blind ATM

 

Heeey congrats on not being blind! Now you get to read Despo's WoTs when they come though so...

 

 

You dont like big walls of text?

 

 

 

 

Answering for Darthe.

Myself.

 

In the sense that Darthe would shoot you, or that Darthe would shoot himself, or you would should Darthe if you could?

 

 

 

I think his retaliation vote looks bad, but I am interested to hear Tina's reasoning.  Her decision seemed pretty arbitrary to me, and at this point, I don't see why you think he shouldn't be asking about it.

 

 

 

 

 

1. I don't know what that means, people keep saying it but I don't understand.

2. What's CFD?

3. Would you like an in depth analysis of all of this game that hasn't been played? Lolz

1. You don't know what whyme fryme means?



2. CFD = Chinese Fire Drill. In other words, a speedtrain on you.

3. You laugh, but something showing that you are trying to #solve the game would abide. Instead, you laugh off me essentially asking you to show us if you are town.

Yup, vote stays.

#solve all these joke votes. :0

I'm writing you off as barking up my tree to get others to actually play because you know how active I am.

No I don't know what Whyme Fryme means. Explain it to me, and how what I was doing was that.

 

 

It means that any behavior that implicitly exhibits a "why me?" Type of reaction is just cause to kill the person or "fry" them. I tend to not like epicmafia but it is a pretty valid tell. However you arent displaying it that I can see. Des may get more credibility if he can point that out.

 

In my experience, it's not the least bit valid, though that might be because few people apply it correctly - and I don't think Despot is doing so here.  If somebody starts pressuring you and you go into a "no way, this is stupid, don't lynch me, I'm clearly town, why are you picking on me?" type of defense, then yes, it applies.  Asking for a reason for a vote when there hasn't been one given (assuming it's not a "joke" vote), as is the case with Tina's vote, is EXACTLY what town ought to do IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

Instead of just shrugging it off as a random CFD or #gamestarter, Jack asks why and accompanies it with a vote. Imo he was trying to keep it casual here, make it look more random.

 

 

And whether Tina used arbitrary reasoning for her pick or not isn't really the issue imo. If she has an ulterior motive, she isn't exactly going to reveal that when asked as that would sort of ruin it. I am considering tho whether she tried forcing things along as a way of trying to get town cred. For now I doubt it, but had Jack defended himself better I might have been swayed into voting there instead. For now I haven't really seen Jack take this matter seriously, so my vote stays.

 

So he should have just let her worthless vote go, but because he's not bothering to take it serious, you're voting him?  Am I understanding that correctly?

 

 

 

 

 

Whyme Fryme means that he directly is whining about it, is directly using "why are you voting me rather than ____" or some variation of those questions.  Neither of the quoted statements above remotely fit that and the first quote you make isn't even related.

 

Uh... no. Whyme fryme is when someone asks "why me?" or seems more focused on defending themselves than catching scum.

 

Tina voted Jack for what looked on the surface like arbitrary reasoning.

 

Jack voted her back, and asked "why him".

 

This is whyme fryme. You can't dance around that Darthe.

 

At the very least your obstinance on this issue makes me think you're >rand to be town.

 

 

 

Instead of just shrugging it off as a random CFD or #gamestarter, Jack asks why and accompanies it with a vote. Imo he was trying to keep it casual here, make it look more random.

 

 

And whether Tina used arbitrary reasoning for her pick or not isn't really the issue imo. If she has an ulterior motive, she isn't exactly going to reveal that when asked as that would sort of ruin it. I am considering tho whether she tried forcing things along as a way of trying to get town cred. For now I doubt it, but had Jack defended himself better I might have been swayed into voting there instead. For now I haven't really seen Jack take this matter seriously, so my vote stays.

 

So he should have just let her worthless vote go, but because he's not bothering to take it serious, you're voting him?  Am I understanding that correctly?

 

 

Lol Clov I'm starting to think you might be scum yourself, the way you're presenting this post.

 

Short answer would be yes- I think he shouldn't have asked "why me" when Tina voted him and instead either voted her and said she was trying to look townie by trying to kickstart the voting, or shrugged and looked to see how people would react to a random train on him. I also think that after accumulating a few quick votes he shouldn't try to maintain a feux casual demeanor and try laughing everything off.

 

Those two concepts are not contradictory with one another. However you displaying them as if they were looks to me like experienced scum trying to find something to make someone look bad, not actual scumhunting.

 

In fact, Unvote, Vote Clov

 

 

I'm trying to make you look bad and not scumhunting?  I'm sorry, when I scumhunt, I have a tendency to rely on understanding what people meant.  In that case, it required some clarification because I'm not entirely sure why you'd complain about him taking a vote (Tina's) seriously and then also complain about him not taking another (yours) seriously. 

 

I do appreciate that you felt the need to vote for me for asking you to clarify two statements you mean that, seemingly, contradict one another.  I mean, you might ahve known perfectly well what you meant, but the rest of the game was not sitting next to you when you typed it.

 

*notices that more people have voted Despo*

 

Yes! Let's get that Team Jacob member put of here! 

 

*flaps wings and clucks like a chicken*

 

As somebody who voted him to begin the game, what do you think of his back and forth with Darthe about Jack?

 

 

 

 

WE ARE LYNCHING CLOV TODAY

[Tommyrod]

I was looking at Clov in ISO and noticed he's well within narrative mode. Most of his analysis is reactive and after the fact. Not proactive and trying to interrogate players.

 

He has a lot of text but little of it appears to be attempts to discern the alignments of other players.

 

Check this out.

 

Every question Clov has actually directed at players:

 

To Tommy:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237284

 

"It's weird I didn't insta-clear you for that?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3239474

 

"Is this a content or quality issue?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3240609

 

"Was that not in regards to Basel accusing Zanube of sheeping?"

 

"Are you asking about Basel accusing Zanube (hence, soft-defending)? Or are you getting defensive becase he questioned you about not pouncing on it?"

 

"Beyond that, what reason does he have to NOT accuse you? Should he know your alignment?"

 

 

To Darthe:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237578

 

"Darthe, was the bolded part serious or sarcasm?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3238776

 

"Darthe, what was with the sudden vote flip?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3239561

 

"Has she been giving you her thoughts in the QT, Darthe?"

 

 

To Mish:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237581

 

"Which part do you feel constitutes trolling, rather than actual game play?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3238109

 

"Are those reads primarily based on content or meta, Mish?"

 

To Cory:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/page-11?do=findComment&comment=3237602

 

"What is soulreading, and how is it done?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3237749

 

"Am I correct in my belief that you're saying Darthe should ditch his read of you based on how you're playing in favor of a hybrid (see what I did there?) meta/self-meta read? [...] You want him to read you as mafia this game, then?"

 

To Kaylee:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3238627

 

"More importantly, do you disagree with Amega that Tommy's point about Mish was good?"

 

To Hallia:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3238631

 

"Which of his responses did you feel were scummy?"

 

To Lenlo:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=3238666

 

"What about his tone doesn't feel good?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=3238711

 

"How does your read on him change, if at all?"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3240587

 

"Eager much?"

 

To Tsuki:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89145-basic-real-genius-mafia-day-1/?view=findpost&p=3239474

 

"Since you don't seem confident in your scum reads, who do you feel has the highest probability to be town?"

 

Are these the hard hitting questions of a scumhunter?

 

He has tons of WORDS in his posts, but very little curiosity, interrogating, attempts at directly discerning alignment. He rarely questions players, and when he does, they are rather flat and he rarely follows up. My interpretation of this is that he wants to appear like he's active and hunting -- but look at the questions he's really asking. They're fluffy. It is extremely reminiscent of the way he got consensus clear as scum in the twilight game: showmanship over substance.

 

I think Clov is scum.

 

##Unvote

 

##Vote Clov

 

Quoting this again so inquiring minds can compare the sorts of dumb questions he asked as scum to the kinds of dumb questions he's asked here

[Tommyrod]

[Cory Caboose]

[Tommyrod]

Let's just hope the villagers see it in time

We're missing one thanks to Yates

[Tommyrod]

Hey Tsuki what are you waiting for? You gonna vote? Maybe vote the outed scum?

[Tsukibana]

Yeeesh, Let a guy grab a meal.

 

VOTE CLOVDYX

[Tommyrod]

Also interesting: Clov was the only player to not receive any scrutiny until I brought him up.

[Basel Gill]

I think I would still rather have an Amega lynch, although Pral would also be good for me. I'm still feeling a scum lean about Tommy but my wish isn't coming true there today.

[Tommyrod]

I think I would still rather have an Amega lynch, although Pral would also be good for me. I'm still feeling a scum lean about Tommy but my wish isn't coming true there today.

Epic Clov case not good enough for you, huh?

[Tommyrod]

Due to the punishment mechanics of not achieving a lynch (a player is randomly killed with no coroner) being inherently pro-scum, every townie should be picking a wagon. I strongly believe Clov will flip scum.

[Tommyrod]

For late game, I suggest taking a stiff look at the players who were pushing Pral/Amega wagons today.

I believe they are both scummy-looking villagers. It's hard to tell, but that's what my gut says.

If Clov doesn't reach majority, it leans toward him being scum.

[Tommyrod]

[Basel Gill]

 

I think I would still rather have an Amega lynch, although Pral would also be good for me. I'm still feeling a scum lean about Tommy but my wish isn't coming true there today.

Epic Clov case not good enough for you, huh?

 

 

I don't think you're town. So I don't believe you on Clov.