[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Leelou]

 

Happy Monday

 

I'm off to school here in a few so I'm just checking in, looking forward to browsing the next content.

 

I'm beginning to feel uncomfortable with how many are clearing Crayjay & co.

 

Silly scum.

 

Good morning sunshine

 

 

^^ scum

[Sedai]

 

 

Yeah. I'm just gonna do this for a while:

 

##Vote: Jack_D

 

FTR - I'm still Tytos Blackwood.

Why?

I know some of you are going to think this is weird, but it's a catch up post tell that is oddly accurate that first turned me on to the idea of Jack-scum.

 

My whole case is fairly circumstantial, granted, but there are reasons Jack isn't sitting even in the null pile. Things like claiming to agree with Mynd's thoughts up to page 25 ring as hollow to me. Same with your odd buddy up post to wombat. In retrospect, it looks like you knew he was on the short list of "Townies to Kill" and wanted to get his reads to rank him up or down on the list. Plus, now all of a sudden you have an opportunistic vote on Mynd - who you have NEVER cast suspicion upon - now that he's a fairly obvious/popular lynch target.

 

Bottom line: I don't like the totality of your play, Jack.

 

On page 92 getting caught up but felt this needed to be addressed.

Ummm no

 

I said Mynd had done the scummiest thing this game next to mishtress. His immediate pull back on a vt claim was gross and I said that and said that's where my vote would go before day 2 started

[Sedai]

Also I was rereading and what I found

 

1. Cloud saying he wasn't going to vote someone so obviously town as Mishtress, and that was before her reveal and self vote. Very odd thing to say. Like he knew she was gunna flip town. I also find this suspicious cause he didn't receive any heat for this. Everyone let it slip.

 

2. I think it would be nearly impossible for Yates and red to be scum together at this point. However that doesn't fully clear Yates ATM as I'm still suspicious of him. Scum could of gotten an extra kill or anything and only been able to janitor one. Then they kill red night 2 setting Yates up for a nice coast to endgame

[_CLOUD]

 

##Unvote. Vote Jack_D

 

 

The Day is still young.

[dawnflower8]

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read. 

[Sedai]

Jack_D... Him linking Red and AJ together remains one of the scummiest and non-logical things that I have seen this game. His catch-up posts , unlike the ones from Krak and Lenlo, seems fabricated to me and a lot of his reads on people are based on nonsensical things. He has been pushing for Mistress lynch a lot who flipped town and afterwards he called Mynd scum because he said they were town after their VT claim. I don't like this reasoning at all because it should have been obvious to anyone who payed attention that they were town near the end of Day 1 and I was pretty vocal about it as well and yet he hasn't said anything about me. I think he and Mynd are scumbuddies and he has realized that he could better start bussing him ASAP because he was bound to go down sooner or later.

This is all so very wrong

 

1. It was linking. But only if one was scum. AJ's arguments felt manufactured and it's in his meta to go after scum mates early. He's done it in 2 recent games and when I pointed it out, he also agreed that my suspicions were grounded.

 

2. Of course Krak (whom most have on their scum list) and Lenlo (who most are suspicious of) seems very genuine and I don't. What doesn't feel right about that catch up? Or are you trying to push Tommy's earlier stuff to get a train started?

 

3. I was going to say something last night as part of my conspiracy theory lol. ^.^

 

4. Lolwut how was it over obvious about Mish and tress? Was it their townie super role claim of vanilla? Was it the self vote that I missed on catch up? Was it Mish saying that she's played scummy but tress is obv town so that makes them both town? No their play was way less then obvtown

[_CLOUD]

Also I was rereading and what I found

 

1. Cloud saying he wasn't going to vote someone so obviously town as Mishtress, and that was before her reveal and self vote. Very odd thing to say. Like he knew she was gunna flip town. I also find this suspicious cause he didn't receive any heat for this. Everyone let it slip.

 

2. I think it would be nearly impossible for Yates and red to be scum together at this point. However that doesn't fully clear Yates ATM as I'm still suspicious of him. Scum could of gotten an extra kill or anything and only been able to janitor one. Then they kill red night 2 setting Yates up for a nice coast to endgame

 

1. You are just straight out lying right now. I thought I was wrong about Mistress after I read that they claimed VT, but I only became convinced of them being town after I saw them voting for themselves. I also find it funny how you come up with this right after I FoS you for it in a recent post of mine.

 

2. What do you think about Yates' play so far?

[Sedai]

 

 

@cory awesome that helps me feel better about him... sorta.

 

Krak is an excellent train but i am satisfied with mynd for now im sure me and cloud would be willing to move to consolidate if needed. after that turn of events this game is practically figured out.

I actually have a town read on Krak. I'm a fan of his never ending catch-up posts and him thinking that Nolder was still alive seemed like a genuine mistake to me.

I made a mistake and didn't read Yates's vig claim as I was catching up. It didn't clear me. Odd you'd start trying to clear someone who most are getting a scum vibe on. That's the second time you've come to rescue krak.

[Sedai]

Well I guess it's my word against yours. Was gunna put that out last night but it was 1:30 am and I was tired. Wanted all my thoughts in order.

 

Yates has played a good game and I'm slotting him town based on it and his claim, and others who have played with him also have him in a townie slot so I'm differing to their meta. However just pointing out what I have saw based on interaction.

[Sedai]

Well I guess it's my word against yours. Was gunna put that out last night but it was 1:30 am and I was tired. Wanted all my thoughts in order.

 

Yates has played a good game and I'm slotting him town based on it and his claim, and others who have played with him also have him in a townie slot so I'm differing to their meta. However just pointing out what I have saw based on interaction.

[Sedai]

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read.

Why?

 

And very interesting flip from an FoS at tommy for no reason to a vote at me with none either. Especially after cl

[Sedai]

Cloud

[Leelou]

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read. 

 

Why? 

[_CLOUD]

 

Jack_D... Him linking Red and AJ together remains one of the scummiest and non-logical things that I have seen this game. His catch-up posts , unlike the ones from Krak and Lenlo, seems fabricated to me and a lot of his reads on people are based on nonsensical things. He has been pushing for Mistress lynch a lot who flipped town and afterwards he called Mynd scum because he said they were town after their VT claim. I don't like this reasoning at all because it should have been obvious to anyone who payed attention that they were town near the end of Day 1 and I was pretty vocal about it as well and yet he hasn't said anything about me. I think he and Mynd are scumbuddies and he has realized that he could better start bussing him ASAP because he was bound to go down sooner or later.

This is all so very wrong

 

1. It was linking. But only if one was scum. AJ's arguments felt manufactured and it's in his meta to go after scum mates early. He's done it in 2 recent games and when I pointed it out, he also agreed that my suspicions were grounded.

 

2. Of course Krak (whom most have on their scum list) and Lenlo (who most are suspicious of) seems very genuine and I don't. What doesn't feel right about that catch up? Or are you trying to push Tommy's earlier stuff to get a train started?

 

3. I was going to say something last night as part of my conspiracy theory lol. ^.^

 

4. Lolwut how was it over obvious about Mish and tress? Was it their townie super role claim of vanilla? Was it the self vote that I missed on catch up? Was it Mish saying that she's played scummy but tress is obv town so that makes them both town? No their play was way less then obvtown

 

1. Your logic was terrible. Any attack one somebody else could be explained as a distancing move and I'm certain if AJ didn't attack anyone in this game you would have called him scum because he wasn't scumhunting. He would lose either way if we followed your logic.

 

2. Here is your catch-up post:

 

 

 

 

Misused memes *shudder*

 

 

Much easier to look over 12 pages of jokes right before bedtime, than serious game.

Seriously though....why did you have to explain your apparent "joke post"? It has been my experience that mafia tend to OVER-explain things, including why they are posting some random picture that kinda-sorta has to do with the Red Wedding. Its like you are ready to jump on a bandwagon but there are no bandwagons to jump on yet.

 

Misheru = Scum

 

Agreed

 

 

On page 16.

 

AJ makes a long winded post agreeing and liking the votes and pressure on Mish. Dislikes red casting suspicion on Mish but not voting. Case of pot kettle.

 

3 scum down.

 

Page 19

 

I discovered Lenlo was LOCKCLEAR

 

Also don't have my usual strong townie vibe on womby, which is odd. Possibly due to hydra. Des seems town.

 

Nyn bread crumbs a defense for Dawn asking how many games has she been in.

 

Cloud is being thoughtful. That's a good sign.

 

Tess doesn't seem to be getting into the game

 

On to page 20.

 

Zanube posts for the second time. No actual game play.

 

Enter the Yates. Perpetuation spam and moving away from the actual playing of the game.

 

Red reaction fishing. In her meta. Null . Her posts have me feeling townie. However the interplay with AJ from earlier in the game is still not sitting well with me.

 

No read on tommy as of yet.

 

Page 21

 

Hallia's second post? Feel she's scum. Lets do some more reading.

 

Page 22

 

Hallia picks up on a Dawn post which actually seemed like a townie kind of post cause I think scum would be a little more hands on with her. It's Wifom regardless but I'm getting townie vibes from the dawn direction. Ergo Hallia seems to be more scummy for jumping at low hanging fruit.

 

Commenting on one half of a hydra. I feel obligated to talk about the other side. Leelou your playing a solid game.

 

Page 23

 

##unvote and vote mishtress

 

She basically said. Um tress is sharing this hydra and she's played great so we can't be scum. That's begging for a vote.

 

Page 24

 

AJ comes back with his whole gross Mish/red love triangle thing

 

X makes a long post. We have same read of Mish's post. Yet no vote. Hmmm

 

Townie vibe from Womby defending Dawn. I'll move you to a townie pile and work with you and des for now.

 

 

Page 25

 

Tommy keeps bringing up the goat thing. It's weird and raising flags.

 

Corey seems typical Corey from what I've saw up to this point. The whole "she's just young. Young people can't hide their alignment" that was bad and reaching.

 

I'm done with my reread for now.

 

 

 

Now allow me to point out everything that I have found wrong with it

- AJ did vote for Red on page 16.

- You say that Lenlo is LOCK CLEAR but never explained why. You also appear to be suspicious about his play now. What made you change your mind about him?

- You say that Des seems town without giving an actual explanation.

- You link Nyn and Dawn together just because she asked how many games she has been in.

- You say that I’m being thoughtful which you take as a good sign. This is weak argument for thinking that someone else is town.

- You said that Yates was just spamming and not playing the game while he tried to kickstart the game with his VT claim.

- More AJ/Mish/Red linkage.

- You appear to agree with Red about the GOAT thing.

 

3. What is your conspiracy theory about?

4. I agree with you that their play was scummy but their Vanilla Town claim followed up by a self-vote at the end of the Day should have cleared them because it made zero sense for them to do that if they were scum together with Red, or if they were scum and she was town.

 

 

*edit: formatting

[dawnflower8]

 

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read. 

 

Why? 

 

I'm not sure. I'm not even confident he is scum. He just seems scummier than everyone else. 

[_CLOUD]

Well I guess it's my word against yours. Was gunna put that out last night but it was 1:30 am and I was tired. Wanted all my thoughts in order.

 

Yates has played a good game and I'm slotting him town based on it and his claim, and others who have played with him also have him in a townie slot so I'm differing to their meta. However just pointing out what I have saw based on interaction.

 

I have facts at my side, amigo.

 

 

##unvote

##vote Mistress

 

 

Listen, no matter how you look at it, we are the best lynch today. A vanilla is better to loose than a potential PR. If Red is mafia, you'll find out. There are guanrateed to be some investigative roles, wich none has brought up as an option for finding her out. Sooner or later someone will check her. Mostly everyone in the game has commented on Tress and me. Cloud, Des, Nol has all posted recently, you guys move over to Mistress and we'll be the leading train and even if it isn't majority, with Darthe's rules we'll be the lynch. It's the logical way to go.

I'm not going to move my vote to the most obvious townie in the entire game.

 

[Leelou]

 

 

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read. 

 

Why? 

 

I'm not sure. I'm not even confident he is scum. He just seems scummier than everyone else. 

 

 

Can you explain why he seems scummier? 

[Tommyrod]

Cloud looking villagery here

[Yates]

I think Yates claiming was a brilliant move thus setting up a way to rid the thread of the red Alignment dilemma. Effectively cementing two town players, in my eyes, to the ground. And the Wifom he is causing the mafia at this point will probably be a factor.

Buddying the vig will get you nowhere, bub. Besides, I know it was brilliant. I'm Yates.

 

Yates - I'm 99.9% sure he is town. He's the most town layer in the game.

Buddying the vig will get you nowhere, kid. Besides, of course I'm the towniest layer in the game. I'm the delicious cookie crumble layer in an icecream cake. I'm Yates.

 

Since mafia didn't shoot Nolder he could have been reading the thread with only the knowledge that DesBat was dead.

Oh... This is actually a nice catch. Possibly a reach but worth pursuing. Looking forward to Krak's response.

 

 

Ah but Thane?

Sorry, Yates.

 

I miss Thane.

 

What?

 

Started trying to read, but since Friday evening there's been a bazillion pages added! I've been jotting things down, but I'm out of time before bed, so I've got my people semi sorted:

This is a scummy lie. No one "jots" mafia notes! Scan these notes and post the image for all to see or hang [or get shot!]!

 

Jack_D... Him linking Red and AJ together remains one of the scummiest and non-logical things that I have seen this game. His catch-up posts , unlike the ones from Krak and Lenlo, seems fabricated to me and a lot of his reads on people are based on nonsensical things.

I at least agree with this stuff here.

 

I am more likely to believe Yates. He hasn't been countered and this is the kind of play I'd expect from him.

I'm not sure why I have to keep addressing this but I'll do it one more time. This is very important: never believe a vig claim just because the claim hasn't been countered. A vig counters at night. With a shot. To the fake vig claimer's face. This is why scum can't fake claim vig. It draws too much attention. Plus, you just became an investigation target. And, really, unless you are super ballsy VT or BP or something like that, you never fake claim vig as Town. It just isn't done.

 

So if you are reading me as Town outside of my claim? That's cool. But don't read me as Town BECAUSE OF my vig claim. That's bad.

 

1. Cloud saying he wasn't going to vote someone so obviously town as Mishtress, and that was before her reveal and self vote. Very odd thing to say. Like he knew she was gunna flip town. I also find this suspicious cause he didn't receive any heat for this. Everyone let it slip.

So it's weird not to want to lynch a strong Town read? And you think you can only have a strong Town read after a claim? That's pretty out there...

 

2. I think it would be nearly impossible for Yates and red to be scum together at this point. However that doesn't fully clear Yates ATM as I'm still suspicious of him. Scum could of gotten an extra kill or anything and only been able to janitor one. Then they kill red night 2 setting Yates up for a nice coast to endgame.

True. As long as you think the town would somehow believe that the scum would have no interest in shooting the vig, what you are proposing in bold makes perfect logical sense. Should we get a show of hands to see how many people think scum wont consider the vig a prime night target? Or perhaps we can even dumb that down to finding out how many people think scum wouldn't target a "CLEARED" Townie? Bottom line: I knew I wouldn't make it to end game the second I revealed. That's how this role works. You know this, yes?

 

 

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read.

Why?

 

And very interesting flip from an FoS at tommy for no reason to a vote at me with none either.

 

Yeah, Dawn. You really need to justify your vote. This is how I determine if you are in my vig pool or tonight depending on our lynch flip.

 

He just seems scummier than everyone else.

FYI? THAT is not going to cut it. What SPECIFICALLY makes him scummier than everyone else? Is it something he said? IS it something he DIDN'T say? Is it something he did? Is it something he DIDN'T do? There's a reason you think this and it really need to be made public.

[Yates]

/caught up.

[Verbal32]

 

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read.

Why?

 

And very interesting flip from an FoS at tommy for no reason to a vote at me with none either. Especially after cl

 

 

^ This

[Verbal32]

^^ Bleh.  I retract that - null tell.

[Hallia]

Jotting them in our hydra qt, silly Yates. We work together on all things

[Leelou]

Jotting them in our hydra qt, silly Yates. We work together on all things

 

Sometimes I don't think people get we are a hydra. 

[Sedai]

1. That's a gross statement and you know it. He did something in his scum meta. He admitted it this game when I pointed it out.

 

2. Not in his initial post. I found that scummy and said so.

 

3. His early game felt a lot like his recent games. I never said I found him scummy now. Just most players. I never included my name on that. I agree however he is in the null pile now for me.

 

4. Because I had a townie vibe on him. His play seemed genuine.

 

5. Early game when I said that. Was my honest opinion. There wasn't a lot of game play at the time and best I had to go on. Your early posts were very townie.

 

6. Their interplay was the linkage I just pointed it out. As it read to me.

 

7. No I understood the goat thing. I just found it weird that tommy kept repeating it. Not that he was a goat. Just the whole scenario wrapped around it.

 

8. You being mafia, and a deep wolf. Also same for Yates.

 

9. I missed their self vote.