[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Krakalakachkn]

At the moment I am of the opinion that Tom is scum and Dice is town.

 

 

That leaves:

 

 

Lenlo

Red

Dawn

Xthrax

Amegaloud

 

 

 

Of those, I believe Dawn and Lenlo are probably most likely to be scum too.  I am not 100% on those two and I want to go back and reread their interactions, but based on my scum read on Tom those two are most likely scum.

 

 

 

Have Red, Len, Dawn, and X all given a concrete set of reads since Day 5 started?

 

 

 

[Tommyrod]

That's disappointing.

[Krakalakachkn]

So let me ask you this - you lynch Dice and he flips scum.  What's your next move?

[_CLOUD]

Dice, Krak and Lenlo are scum. Book it.

[Tommyrod]

So let me ask you this - you lynch Dice and he flips scum.  What's your next move?

 

I assumed I'd be dead at that point. I've thought about whether someone is busing him right now, because it would mean two of Len/Krak/Red are scum if not. I'm wary of Red coming in here today, promising a big catchup post, and voting for Dawn when Dawn is probably the easiest lynch. In a vacuum, the dead scum spew suggests Red mostly clear, Cloud fairly clear, says little about Dawn, X, or Lenlo, but makes Dice look significantly worse. Your approach out of the gate today makes me skeptical because it seems terribly wrong.

[Krakalakachkn]

The severe lack of pressure you've had all game, your interactions with Dawn and others, and the fact that you've been extremely vocal about every lynch that's occurred and you're batting close to 1.000 on town lynched - if Red is indeed town then I believe you actually are at 1.000 are pointing me toward you being scum.

[Krakalakachkn]

Cloud - that was quite an abrupt about face.  Want to comment on why you suddenly think I'm scum after defending me for a few days?

[amegakure]

 

I'm not going to argue with you about whether you can or cannot read me (though I don't think you can).

 

You're basically yelling into an empty room that I'm scum, but you haven't tried to really push it. You made an emotional plea (if you guys wanna lose go ahead and lynch me) and a bad claim after an entire game of non-participation.

 

Other players have plausible deniability. Red was attacked by dead scum, Dawn and Lenlo have matching characters, Cloud brought up a case on Tina before she was outed and Verb tried to get Cloud lynched over himself.

 

But for you, it's just the opposite: both dead scummers distanced from you by making sure people knew they were "suspicious" of you without actually pushing you. That looks really bad. Combine it with the rest of your play in this game (or lack of play, really), and your comment last night about how Jack was "obvious town" before he flipped, and you're far and away the scummiest player remaining.

 

You've got a huge hole to dig yourself out of, and if you're actually town, you'd best get digging. Telling me I'm scum and not providing a reason sure as hell ain't gonna work.

My thing with Dawn is this: Theres no guarntee that Arya isnt scum. Robbs /wife/ was scum, and Walder, so characters alignments probably dont mean much they are just for flavor. 

 

i bet the reason robs wife was scum was because she was the sole factor that lead toe events later called the red wedding. 

 

@krak why would you tell people you want to see how they spin events in there favor that totally defeats the purpose of asking, Are you just talking cause you like the sound of your own voice. 

[Tommyrod]

The severe lack of pressure you've had all game, your interactions with Dawn and others, and the fact that you've been extremely vocal about every lynch that's occurred and you're batting close to 1.000 on town lynched - if Red is indeed town then I believe you actually are at 1.000 are pointing me toward you being scum.

 

That's bizarrely results oriented and misleading in a game where the cop caught both scum. What's your average or the average of most people in this game? That doesn't work. Plus I'm pretty sure I'll end up being right about Dice, so my average isn't even as bad as you say.

 

Cloud, why Lenlo?

[amegakure]

Why do you always seem to be in perma catchup but seem to be so qualified on the discussion krak? 

[Tommyrod]

Why do you always seem to be in perma catchup but seem to be so qualified on the discussion krak? 

Did you just make a salient point?

[Lenlo]

Dice, Krak and Lenlo are scum. Book it.

Mmmm... nope. Incorrect.

 

 

Why do you always seem to be in perma catchup but seem to be so qualified on the discussion krak? 

Did you just make a salient point?

 

I believe so, rare as it is.

[_CLOUD]

Cloud - that was quite an abrupt about face.  Want to comment on why you suddenly think I'm scum after defending me for a few days?

 

I must have obviously been wrong about you since I firmly believe that Dice is scum. I think you and Lenlo are his teammates because I don't see anyone bussing him at Lylo; His teammates would do everything they could to get his countertrain lynched instead which you are now trying to do by pushing against both Tommy and Dawn. I admit that Lenlo doesn't fit really well into this scenario but him refusing to go against anyone so far today is telling on it's own and I think he is trying his best to remain on the background and let the other players push for either Tommy or Dawn so he can come in for the hammer.

[amegakure]

[Tommyrod]

I thought this would be easy. Now I have to worry about whether one of the people I was comfortable clearing for good tone is scum. Hooray.

[Lenlo]

 

Cloud - that was quite an abrupt about face.  Want to comment on why you suddenly think I'm scum after defending me for a few days?

 

I must have obviously been wrong about you since I firmly believe that Dice is scum. I think you and Lenlo are his teammates because I don't see anyone bussing him at Lylo; His teammates would do everything they could to get his countertrain lynched instead which you are now trying to do by pushing against both Tommy and Dawn. I admit that Lenlo doesn't fit really well into this scenario but him refusing to go against anyone so far today is telling on it's own and I think he is trying his best to remain on the background and let the other players push for either Tommy or Dawn so he can come in for the hammer.

 

Ive actually been quite busy cause finals and am really not sure what to do atm.

 

Only reason im here right now is cause im taking a break about to head to practice.

 

 

I thought this would be easy. Now I have to worry about whether one of the people I was comfortable clearing for good tone is scum. Hooray.

Ooooh whos the lucky man/woman?

[Krakalakachkn]

Wooooow

 

 

So Cloud and Amega are now attacking me with Tom and neither have anything to say.  Tom's post about my bizarrely results oriented theory is garbage and is a complete dodge.

 

 

##Vote Tom

 

 

 

@Cloud - So you think I'm scum bc I disagree on Dice?  That leaves 6 other people for me to be wrong/right about.  Idk why you're taking this direction.

[amegakure]

i make good points when my wim is high... 

[Tommyrod]

 

Cloud - that was quite an abrupt about face.  Want to comment on why you suddenly think I'm scum after defending me for a few days?

 

I must have obviously been wrong about you since I firmly believe that Dice is scum. I think you and Lenlo are his teammates because I don't see anyone bussing him at Lylo; His teammates would do everything they could to get his countertrain lynched instead which you are now trying to do by pushing against both Tommy and Dawn. I admit that Lenlo doesn't fit really well into this scenario but him refusing to go against anyone so far today is telling on it's own and I think he is trying his best to remain on the background and let the other players push for either Tommy or Dawn so he can come in for the hammer.

 

 

Eh, that doesn't mean Lenlo is lock scum or anything. I agree that pushing for the win is the better option for the scumteam, but a lot of scumteams bus or at least offer to bus at must lynch; it's what Clov, Pral and I did at the end of Twilight. I don't have a team that fits together perfectly, so scum busing here isn't out of the question at all.

[Krakalakachkn]

Guys I gotta run, do as you will but I swear on my life I have to go.  It's dinnertime and my group is yelling at me.

 

 

Good luck in whatever direction you go in.

 

 

I'll be back in an hour or so.

[Tommyrod]

Wooooow

 

 

So Cloud and Amega are now attacking me with Tom and neither have anything to say.  Tom's post about my bizarrely results oriented theory is garbage and is a complete dodge.

 

 

##Vote Tom

 

 

 

@Cloud - So you think I'm scum bc I disagree on Dice?  That leaves 6 other people for me to be wrong/right about.  Idk why you're taking this direction.

 

Yikes.

 

Okay, Dice and Krak. Who is the third?

[Tommyrod]

Guys I gotta run, do as you will but I swear on my life I have to go.  It's dinnertime and my group is yelling at me.

 

 

Good luck in whatever direction you go in.

 

 

I'll be back in an hour or so.

Oh hellllllllllllll no. One does not simply attack Tom and run! This is now a WAR!

[Tommyrod]

i make good points when my wim is high... 

I wouldn't mind seeing it higher.

[Tommyrod]

Third would probably be Dawn, right? Otherwise they'd just push her instead of trying to push me.

Boomshakalaka?

[amegakure]

how do we have nothing to say if we are attacking you? logic fail.

 

we think you are acting scummy by desperately trying to clear your scum mate dice. Do you always vote people that call you out or is that just a scum trait? Why not vote the multiple other suspects you have.

 

Is that an adequate amount of words??