[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Tommyrod]

I think Darthe may be mod-spewing Dawn with that gif, lol

[Tommyrod]

I can't really tell if she seems scummy or not, actually. 

 

But somebody else did vote her before me, so I guess she is? Maybe? I'm not sure yet.

 

[Tommyrod]

 

@ Darthe i pose a new rule.  auto lynch to all grammer nazis

 

 

kthnxby

 

^ Red has no response for my other head soulreading her as scum

 

LOCK SCUM here people

 

 

It's silly, but Des has a point

[Tommyrod]

okay Yates. and without quotes or anything, just notes.

 

1. Mistress (Mish/Tress) - my raptor meme on Mish was just a poke fun joke, Mynd's initial push on Mish was intended to be a game starter not really pressure Mish.  her reaction was scummy, hence my Newman me.  aside from Mynd and myself, others commented on this as well.  at this point i saw Mynd was taking lead in the Mish push and backed off.  partly because mynd does better at beating the grass than myself (i defer to his experience in the matter and didn't want to muck up what he was doing), partly because i didn't want to be linked to him, partly for Mish's sanity (two bull dogs on a beat the grass campaign = bad mojo)

 

the most pinging things on Mishtress case is her shifting focus to Tress, and then Tress trying to paint Womby as a Dawn defender.  it was damage control + misdirection imo.  its also noticable that Mish has stepped back and let Tress take lead for the most part.  this action can go both ways, but is still note worthy.

 

 

2. Desbat (Wombat/Des) - Womby is playing more like Despo and Despo is straight up not playing.  this pings on a gut level.  active Womby in D1 is strange and a quiet Despo gets my nerves on end.  Wombys vote on me was a null tell though.  he never pushed my wagon and to me the vote read as an attention game starter (basically a Despo move) as well as trying to get me to start playign the game to get a read on me.

 

3. Nol - is more interested in off topic convo (like hybrid mechanics) and isn't scum hunting at all. this is pinging, but as for a list and because this is all thats pinging well theres no case yet.  worth noting for when he does sart playing as ammo in a future case.  his atching onto Mynds suggestion of lynchign Hybrids is note worthy

 

4. Krak - is also just straight up not playing.  null on him

 

5. MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud) - Cloud is mostly being the speaking peice for them and so far theres nothign really overtly scummy abotu him.  null on him for now

 

6. Crayjay (Cory/Andrej) - pinged for how defensive they got over a vote on Tom, and how hard they worked to pressure me to move my vote.  crappy voting reason aside, they started this push before i said why i was keeping my vote there.  this reaction caused me to stay put (that and i wont have my vote bullied off a person just because he's their friend and i dont like to vote hop a lot when the game actually starts).  Cory did not as far as casing me, just tried to insult me off his friends wagon.  AJ took lead on applying the direct pressure.  at first his casing was solid and possibly townish ... but then he started trying to set the lynch up on me and trap me so that no matter how i moved he could continue a case on me.  he also tried to drag back up the distraction convo of discussing what tom meant by Goat. i disliked this and decided to get obstinate at him.  he then tried to spilt his focus at one point by starting up with you (Yates) regaurding your claim.  possibly to continue the push against you after i flip, or possibly becuase he saw i made a good point (though i doubt the latter as he didn't chime in wiht Mynd when he saw Mynd made a good point on Mish)

 

7. Lenlo - is lurking ...  needs pressure

 

8. X - has solid posts so far, but most of what he says is just backing up others rather than anything new.  i'd be watching him to see how he acts ate on

 

9. Dawn - her vote on me was nothing more than a wagon vote desgiused as a "joke vote".  yeah omby pointed out she's only been scum in games, but playing as scum means you ACT TOWN.  this is not a town act, hence his point is moot.  she shoudl be pressured more about this imo.

 

10. Jack - pings hardcore.  he's quiet.  a quiet pete is a scummy pete.  and the first game related thing he does ... links me with AJ and buddies up to Mynd.  do not like.

 

11. Princess Verbalina of Kindelbury (Verb/Tina) - both are quiet, for Verb this is Null.  for Tina  idk.  i have played with her in a few games but really meta isn't only good for a baseline judgement if more pressure shoudl be applied or if a person diserves closer watching.  game wise, i hve a null on both.  i would liek them to both not lurk though, considering how much clout they have as players.

 

12. Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally) - same as Verbalinia, minus the clout for Halia (Leelou gets clout though *nods*)  Leelou is always a null tell for me, cause she policy lynches me when she can and hasn't posted yet.  her vote reason is solid imo,so null on them.

 

13. Dice - another thats striaght up not playing

 

14. Zanube - and another, whose only posts have been in response to spam (though get better if you are sick)

 

16. Nyankat (Nyn/Kat) - nyn is being nyn, kat is non existant.  null on them

 

17. Mynd - was pining as town first ... but then he started to flip his stance on Mish and myself, giving himself a back way off the mishtress train and starting to FoS me, after defending me btw.  smells liek giving himself an opportunity to train hop without looking scummy.  i'm also unsure about his push on the hybrids ...  it depends on what he's implying really.  if he's tryign to get us to poliicy lynch them JIC one or two are scum, then major ping and FoS his way.

 

18. Tommy - is trying to continue the spam, half heartedly scum hunting (whcih is mostly parroting others words) and is trying to drag me back into a convo that i feel is mostly aimed at causeing a 3rd distraction discussion.  even goign as far as tryign to bait and goad and taunt me back into it.  he also let AJ defend him when i was voting him, instead of defending himself.  i dont like this and he pings

 

19. Yates - twists words better than an Aes Sedia imo  is a very good debater and a very good player, you remind me of Verb's play style.  i greatly dislike the claim, not the fact its VT, but that the claim came with no pressure at all and sets up way too much WIFOM.  i also dislike how the discussion turned in this when i persued it, which is from the reveal itself to debating moot points (liek what a VT role is and how to scum hunt).  theres also that NK comment that just doesn't sit well with me .... as well as the remakr to Mynd about "Town Reds scum hunting".  yeah you provided an explaination to which i have yet to respond (and in this post tried to continue the off topic discussion of the nilla role btw) but you make my gut scream to have you lynched. 

 

Red has one of the least useful lists of all time here, but her logic within the Hallia/Leelou read doesn't make sense. "She's voting me and it makes sense, so null." Tommy voting me? LAWK SCUM!

 

 

Official Bloody Vote Count:

Verbalina (2/10): Len, Jack

Crayjay (1/10): Dice

Yates (1/10): Krak [<- noncontributing doodyhead]

Mistress (5/10): Mynd, NyanCat, Desbat, Red, X

Red (8/10): CrayJay, Dawn, Nol, Tommy, Yates, Halleeloujah, MegaLoud, Verbalina

Cloud (1/10): Mistress

 

Not Voting (1/19):

Zen

 

22 Hours Remain

 

???

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Misused memes *shudder*

 

 

Much easier to look over 12 pages of jokes right before bedtime, than serious game.

Seriously though....why did you have to explain your apparent "joke post"? It has been my experience that mafia tend to OVER-explain things, including why they are posting some random picture that kinda-sorta has to do with the Red Wedding. Its like you are ready to jump on a bandwagon but there are no bandwagons to jump on yet.

 

Misheru = Scum

Agreed

 

 

On page 16.

 

AJ makes a long winded post agreeing and liking the votes and pressure on Mish. Dislikes red casting suspicion on Mish but not voting. Case of pot kettle.

 

3 scum down.

 

Page 19

 

I discovered Lenlo was LOCKCLEAR

 

Also don't have my usual strong townie vibe on womby, which is odd. Possibly due to hydra. Des seems town.

 

Nyn bread crumbs a defense for Dawn asking how many games has she been in.

 

Cloud is being thoughtful. That's a good sign.

 

Tess doesn't seem to be getting into the game

 

On to page 20.

 

Zanube posts for the second time. No actual game play.

 

Enter the Yates. Perpetuation spam and moving away from the actual playing of the game.

 

Red reaction fishing. In her meta. Null . Her posts have me feeling townie. However the interplay with AJ from earlier in the game is still not sitting well with me.

 

No read on tommy as of yet.

 

Page 21

 

Hallia's second post? Feel she's scum. Lets do some more reading.

 

Page 22

 

Hallia picks up on a Dawn post which actually seemed like a townie kind of post cause I think scum would be a little more hands on with her. It's Wifom regardless but I'm getting townie vibes from the dawn direction. Ergo Hallia seems to be more scummy for jumping at low hanging fruit.

 

Commenting on one half of a hydra. I feel obligated to talk about the other side. Leelou your playing a solid game.

 

Page 23

 

##unvote and vote mishtress

 

She basically said. Um tress is sharing this hydra and she's played great so we can't be scum. That's begging for a vote.

 

Page 24

 

AJ comes back with his whole gross Mish/red love triangle thing

 

X makes a long post. We have same read of Mish's post. Yet no vote. Hmmm

 

Townie vibe from Womby defending Dawn. I'll move you to a townie pile and work with you and des for now.

 

 

Page 25

 

Tommy keeps bringing up the goat thing. It's weird and raising flags.

 

Corey seems typical Corey from what I've saw up to this point. The whole "she's just young. Young people can't hide their alignment" that was bad and reaching.

 

I'm done with my reread for now.

 

 

I forgot this happened. This is probably the second worst post in the thread after Red's. I notice he calls Hallia scum here and seconds Red on "the goat thing." FoS AJ and defends Red.

 

Does Jack ever talk about Hallia ever again after this?

[Tommyrod]

Just a cliff note. If red is mafia so is AJ book it

 

 

 

Would love to see you expound on that, Jack.

In the most recent game that I've played with you you expanded on your overt love for early distancing. Your posts with red can be classified as distancing.

 

So I'm just saying. Your getting a little jumpy at the suggestion. Looks like i may have hit a nerve.

 

 

[Tommyrod]

If Mish is town I think Mynd should be looked at pretty heavy tomorrow. His immediate pull back on a vt claim looked like he was trying to be to townie and earn town cred

 

[Tommyrod]

 

##Vote Jack.

 

He's my top scum read.

Why?

 

And very interesting flip from an FoS at tommy for no reason to a vote at me with none either. Especially after cl

 

A little defensive against Dawn

 

So I was thinking. Why would the mafia kill Desbat. I mean we never really talked about it. Just carried over reads from the previous day as if the kill didn't really happen.

 

Theory one: to set up Desbat's targets for a lynch

 

Theory two: since Des was the only one who could game the #alliance with any measure of a record of success in general game play, maybe they wanted him out early. Desbat, Cory and Tommy have basically echoed each other's reads so why shoot there instead of the other two if the scum was trying to frame up Desbat's reads.

 

 

 

 

Soccer>Tennis>Baseball>Hockey

I will cut you.

 

 

 

 

So I was thinking. Why would the mafia kill Desbat. I mean we never really talked about it. Just carried over reads from the previous day as if the kill didn't really happen.

 

Theory one: to set up Desbat's targets for a lynch

 

Theory two: since Des was the only one who could game the #alliance with any measure of a record of success in general game play, maybe they wanted him out early. Desbat, Cory and Tommy have basically echoed each other's reads so why shoot there instead of the other two if the scum was trying to frame up Desbat's reads.

I'm not sure I'm following theory 2 here - can you clarify?

Essentially

 

Desbat was the scum nk night 1

 

Scum usually nk someone to leave no info. Or to frame up future lynches, or to take out a pr, or to set up a Wifom.

 

1) they shot desbat so that theory is gone

2) they could of used as a frame up kill, but why Desbat, over Cory or tommy? Since all their reads where essentially the same

3) no indication of a pr to shoot at.

4) Cory and tommy had the most to gain from shooting desbat since he could game both of them more effectively. And it sets up both of their towniness cause they were on point with desbat who we are assuming is town since he was the mafia shot.

 

 

 

So there was only one death last night with a coroner. And not a second no coroner kill. Anyone care to game what that means?

 

That basically tells me Nolder was the mafia kill and desbat was shot by someone else.

 

This came out of NOWHERE today and still confuses me. Especially considering he said this a few days ago:

 

 

 

 

I certainly would have expected Dawn to defend herself (even arbitrarily) as opposing to acting unsure if anyone suspects her of anything.

That explanation was for Jack primarily on my early thoughts on Dawn. I'm making it my mission to find a way to read him correctly after pushing a mislynch on him two games in a row.

 

I want him to have a natural dialogue with me.

 

I am finally at home, with my laptop, with two days off. It's #werk time.

 

If he's being overtly scummy, he's town.  If he's being slimy, he's scum.

Your so town it makes my insides warm and fuzzy.

 

Who's your top 3 scum and why. And same for town?

 

 

 

Just a quick note

 

Honestly think Nol was vig shot. Mafia usually tend to have the janitor role. So desbat probably the nk.

 

That being said. We know all the players, or we can safely assume have played the game how they honestly saw it. So their reads aren't more accurate just more genuine.

 

And just another aspect to mention.

 

We've had 2 vt deaths in an advanced game and one vt claim still alive. Not sure how many darthe would put in but it's a safe bet there probably aren't a lot more.

 

Also tommy. You finding that Nolder was acting like a cop or scum could of been what the mafia where hoping for. Gunning for the cop.

 

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So basically he completely flipped his own thoughts randomly for some reason. I guess to push me and Cory. Fun!

[Xthrax]

 

Just would like to point a few things that might have been wrongly misinterpreted

 

 

1. Solid casing skills-mine. Not really, I'm just a small guy who manages to get it right on a few occasions.

It's okay, I was just being purposefully mean :D

 

2. IMO, that was nothing but a joke and not a great one at that.

That is your opinion, indeed. I've seen Lenlo throwing around this woe I'm lonely and QT-less crap more than once. It sticks out to me and it was worth the mention, IMO.

 

3. Possibly because I was laden with a bunch of school projects that came with no notice beforehand.

Fair enough. We all have our RL. But you can't blame anyone for pointing out potential lurkiness.  Unless you want to pull a Mish :P

 

4. Just thought I'll mention this again. Megaloud looked seeming like suspicious but on a re-read of those posts they seemed ok. Mynd 'cause of the hydra thing among others. And the rest as prod to post more.

Among others? Among what? Nothing in your posts specify any more reasons. All you said is that his theories were distracting. What more about him struck you as scummy?

 

5. Don't believe in last minute speed lynches. Don't like it. And in this case I had a stronger scum lean on Mishtress than Mynd.

Fair enough.

 

6. I felt that until that point everyone had just rebuffed Mynd-so I thought explaining the points in a not-aggro way would be better. And yes-the pointing out distraction was a mention so as to not to have it happen later.

Yeah, but it did happen later. With you LOL

 

7. Mynd persisted.

Yeah, he does that.

 

8. I don't know about that since I haven't played with him before, but then that kind of theory doesn't feel right with me.

Fair enough.

 

9. You are 7 hours away. I am 12-13 hours away. And 7 hours lets you communicate with them to an extend. For me, mostly all Americans are asleep when I online and I'm asleep when they are online. Refer my post with AJ-when it was 8:45 for it was 11:15 according to google. That means approx 15 hrs difference. I don't stay up very late nowadays since I'm very busy with school and I'm quite tired most days. So no total BS.

I still think it's a moot point and I don't like how you've hid behind it several times. As long as you catch up you should be able to give some insight and notice something that someone else might overlooked. Try to put some more effort into that and I might reconsider my stance.

 

10. Refer above post.

 

11. Yes, I intended to post just on Krak. But seeing Dice's post I thought that I should concentrate on him as well since he has begun to post more. What you said is basically right. I went to the search option and looked at both their posts. Krak has a lesser number of posts I feel suspicious about while Dice had more. So I began with Dice's. And then I read the part about the night chat frowned upon. I don't want to get myself NK'ed, so I thought that in case I say something right I will say it in the morning.

So you decided to concentrate on dice because he has started to post more? Why? You said earlier that people you've mentioned in your "should be looked into peeps" are people you find scummy and to nudge people that have hardly posted. If dice has been picking up on his posts, why did you decide to case him as opposed to the other inactives?

 

12. On a limb? I didn't understand. For the time difference thing refer post 9

What I meant is that you lack conviction.

 

I've answered in bold cause I'm tired of going up and down with numbering. Tis annoying as hell. Whoever doesn't like this, tough. :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

1. You mean person :P

2.Well I thought it was a joke and responded to it that way.

3. Among his stance in the entire game.

[Tommyrod]

 

Sup JackAttack

Hey Super sleuth

 

What you think about red now? With Yates's death etc. I'm favoring her for scum honestly based off that and Mynd's role.

 

 

 

 

 

So there was only one death last night with a coroner. And not a second no coroner kill. Anyone care to game what that means?

 

That basically tells me Nolder was the mafia kill and desbat was shot by someone else.

I believe that both the mafia team and the Vig shot Yates. He lied about his claim afterall.

So would it have been janitored? Where does that leave red. I'm not buying her BG claim with what we know about Mynd having a gimped healer role.

 

Jack never discussed Hallia one single time apart from that wolfy catchup post where he said she was scum.

 

Today he comes out after the cop reveal and starts saying Red is scummy.

[Xthrax]

Sorry touched post accidentally. 

4. 3 was supposed to be 4.  

11. Yeah I did. Because he appeared scummy, and he subsequent posts seemed so. Krak had just a few posts that looked scummy so yeah I took the more scummy one

[Tommyrod]

X, if you had 3 shots, who would you shoot?

[Tommyrod]

[Xthrax]

Ok now that is done.

Things as I understand them. Crayjay viewed hallia and leelou n1 and Verbalina n2. 

[Xthrax]

X, if you had 3 shots, who would you shoot?

Dice, Dawn and then you tommy

[Tommyrod]

 

X, if you had 3 shots, who would you shoot?

Dice, Dawn and then you tommy

 

 

Lolwat? Why me? How do you fit Dice and me together? Dice came in today, said some gibberish about me being an outed wolf because I ISO'd his posts, and bounced with his 19 posts.

[dawnflower8]

After reading all that...

 

1. I forgot how annoying Red's grammar is
2. There seem to be a lot of people who DON'T think I'm scum, thankfully
3. You repeatedly quote one of my stupidest posts from earlier in the game, when I wasn't even playing that seriously and was just clueless. 

[Tommyrod]

 

After reading all that...

 

1. I forgot how annoying Red's grammar is
2. There seem to be a lot of people who DON'T think I'm scum, thankfully
3. You repeatedly quote one of my stupidest posts from earlier in the game, when I wasn't even playing that seriously and was just clueless. 

 

 

 

Lol okay, this implies you're no longer clueless. Drop some heavy on us.

[Xthrax]

 

14 left 5 scum

 

myslynch = 8 v 5

nk = 7v5

nk+vig = 6v5 or 7v4

 

So either way we can mislynch and have a bad vig kill (if it wasn't a x1 shot) and still win this (someone check my math).

 

 

I think we can afford to lynch Verbaline or Halleelujah to vet CRAY.

 

If this counts as "vetting" my character is Robb Mothering Stark

 

Hail the King in the North

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count (Of Doom):

Halleeloujah (6/8): MegaLoud, NyanCat, CrayJay, Verbalina, Jack, Tommy, 

CrayJay (1/8): Dawn

Len (1/8): Halleleloujah

 

Non-voters (of doom) 5/13:

Krak, Len, X, Dice, Red

 

42 Hours til Night

[Tommyrod]

I think X is too far gone into his own world to be scum.

[Xthrax]

 

 

X, if you had 3 shots, who would you shoot?

Dice, Dawn and then you tommy

 

 

Lolwat? Why me? How do you fit Dice and me together? Dice came in today, said some gibberish about me being an outed wolf because I ISO'd his posts, and bounced with his 19 posts.

 

Not what Dice said. I am on his list for the same reasons.  

Because of your game this day.  Cory has been in your town list till now. And with the sudden revealyou have changed your ideas. Suddenly became very serious.  Throws ideas against the vote. It makes me suspicious.

 

Basically you 3 are my suspicions now. You are feeling more suspicious than what I felt about krak.

I will be happy to vote any of you after the 2 Crayjay caught are lynched

[Tommyrod]

I'm confused. I never said Cory was scum; far from it. I didn't really "become very serious." And I still contend that lynching elsewhere is a viable strategy.

Tell me about Dice; what'd he do to earn your shat?

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Official Vote Count (Of Doom):

Halleeloujah (6/8): MegaLoud, NyanCat, CrayJay, Verbalina, Jack, Tommy, 

CrayJay (1/8): Dawn

Len (1/8): Halleleloujah

 

Non-voters (of doom) 5/13:

Krak, Len, X, Dice, Red

 

42 Hours til Night

 

 

 

 

 

 

X, if you had 3 shots, who would you shoot?

Dice, Dawn and then you tommy

 

 

Lolwat? Why me? How do you fit Dice and me together? Dice came in today, said some gibberish about me being an outed wolf because I ISO'd his posts, and bounced with his 19 posts.

 

Not what Dice said. I am on his list for the same reasons.  

Because of your game this day.  Cory has been in your town list till now. And with the sudden revealyou have changed your ideas. Suddenly became very serious.  Throws ideas against the vote. It makes me suspicious.

 

Basically you 3 are my suspicions now. You are feeling more suspicious than what I felt about krak.

I will be happy to vote any of you after the 2 Crayjay caught are lynched

 

 

 

Where's your vote yo?

[Krakalakachkn]

I still contend that lynching elsewhere is a viable strategy.

 

You don't want to vet Cray first?  Why not one and done?  Is it the lack of cc?

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I want to be on this lynch.

 

##Halleelujah