[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Clovdyx]

Do you now buy Lenlo's claim?  You were skeptical of it before, but your comment about my role suggests that you're buying it.

[Clovdyx]

 

Same Q for you as to Pral, then. What's the scumteam? And don't include me in it, obviously.

Heh, nice try. Tommie, Hallia and I was thinking it could be verb/clov purely on the basis of PoE.

It could be Dawn too but then why would you or Hallia go after her so hard today? Unless you want to get lock cleared after her scum flip today?

 

 

This post doesn't make sense to me.  Top line suggests you were in agreement with Hallia, but bottom makes it seem like she shouldn't be going after somebody.  What are you trying to say here?

[Pralaya]

 

 

Same Q for you as to Pral, then. What's the scumteam? And don't include me in it, obviously.

Heh, nice try. Tommie, Hallia and I was thinking it could be verb/clov purely on the basis of PoE.

It could be Dawn too but then why would you or Hallia go after her so hard today? Unless you want to get lock cleared after her scum flip today?

 

 

This post doesn't make sense to me.  Top line suggests you were in agreement with Hallia, but bottom makes it seem like she shouldn't be going after somebody.  What are you trying to say here?

 

I am saying Tommy and Hallia as the top scum picks. I am not sure who the third is and trying to figure it out.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Same Q for you as to Pral, then. What's the scumteam? And don't include me in it, obviously.

Heh, nice try. Tommie, Hallia and I was thinking it could be verb/clov purely on the basis of PoE.

It could be Dawn too but then why would you or Hallia go after her so hard today? Unless you want to get lock cleared after her scum flip today?

 

 

This post doesn't make sense to me.  Top line suggests you were in agreement with Hallia, but bottom makes it seem like she shouldn't be going after somebody.  What are you trying to say here?

 

I am saying Tommy and Hallia as the top scum picks. I am not sure who the third is and trying to figure it out.

 

 

What makes you think that Hallia has a greater chance to be a scum JOAT than a town one?  Why would she have two Pro-town abilities?  Or are you saying she lied about checking Cory?

[Tommyrod]

[Tommyrod]

(I'm the guy in the street)

[Tommyrod]

(Kind of a jerk really)

[Pralaya]

What makes you think that Hallia has a greater chance to be a scum JOAT than a town one?  Why would she have two Pro-town abilities?  Or are you saying she lied about checking Cory?

Yep, that is what I have been saying. JOAT is an easy claim to hide. All we know for certain from Tina is that she visited Cory. Not what role she used. And, we know for certain that she tracked verbal. Tracker can be either town or scum role. So, I don't think she is saying the truth.

[Pralaya]

 

More importantly, someone among the PR is definitely lying.

 

Because if all the PRs are town, that would essentially mean that there are no VTs. Which we know is not true because Len confirmed that there are VTs in the game (it was a good question after all).

 

So, either Len is lying and is scum. Or if Len is telling the truth, one of the other 4 PRs is definitely lying.

 

If Len is town, Des is town. That would leave Hallia/Verb/Clov as the liars. Among the three, I have the feeling that JOAT is the easily fakeable claim.

[Clovdyx]

 

I'm glad that we're two hours from the deadline on LYLO and you'd rather post gifs than continue to discuss things so we can determine who's lying.  I'm positive I'm right about you now. 

 

 

What makes you think that Hallia has a greater chance to be a scum JOAT than a town one?  Why would she have two Pro-town abilities?  Or are you saying she lied about checking Cory?

Yep, that is what I have been saying. JOAT is an easy claim to hide. All we know for certain from Tina is that she visited Cory. Not what role she used. And, we know for certain that she tracked verbal. Tracker can be either town or scum role. So, I don't think she is saying the truth.

 

 

It's an easy claim to fake (I assume that's what you mean by hide), but I know for a fact she's telling the truth about her role.  I'll need to go back and check, but I'm pretty sure she was the one who brought up that she tracked Verbal to herself - not him.  The fact she was putting verifiable information out there to begin the phase makes me pretty happy with clearing her as town at this point.

[Pralaya]

The only other possibility is that both Len and Des are scum, because I don't see Len clearing Des if he was scum. I find this option a little unlikely.

[Tommyrod]

Yeah yeah, you're super tough, blah blah. I see you working up to it -- bus Dawn and let's move on. 

[Clovdyx]

More importantly, someone among the PR is definitely lying.

 

Because if all the PRs are town, that would essentially mean that there are no VTs. Which we know is not true because Len confirmed that there are VTs in the game (it was a good question after all).

 

So, either Len is lying and is scum. Or if Len is telling the truth, one of the other 4 PRs is definitely lying.

 

If Len is town, Des is town. That would leave Hallia/Verb/Clov as the liars. Among the three, I have the feeling that JOAT is the easily fakeable claim.

 

Except YOU claimed vanilla townie.  Now you're saying there aren't any.   Thanks for outing yourself.

[Pralaya]

Eh? I am saying that one of the PRs have to be lying. That all PRs cannot be telling the truth

[Tommyrod]

I love making an entire scumteam fall apart.

Cory, this one's for you! 

[Clovdyx]

 

More importantly, someone among the PR is definitely lying.

 

Because if all the PRs are town, that would essentially mean that there are no VTs. Which we know is not true because Len confirmed that there are VTs in the game (it was a good question after all).

 

So, either Len is lying and is scum. Or if Len is telling the truth, one of the other 4 PRs is definitely lying.

 

If Len is town, Des is town. That would leave Hallia/Verb/Clov as the liars. Among the three, I have the feeling that JOAT is the easily fakeable claim.

 

Except YOU claimed vanilla townie.  Now you're saying there aren't any.   Thanks for outing yourself.

 

 

For whatever reason, I took it as all of town was PRs.  Whatever, you still outed yourself in my book.  #Rightevenwhenwrong

 

 

So let's look at the roles again.

 

-We know there's no way Des is lying about his role.  Has to be town, unless Lenlo lied about no Indy's

-We know Hallis is telling the truth about her role (via Verbal's information and Tina's watch).  Alignment up in the air.

-Verbal is likely telling the truth.  Definitely targeted Hallia, didn't do any harm (kill, rb, redirect, silence, etc.)

 

Both Lenlo and my claim's are unverified at this point.  All of Lenlo's information came after it was revealed in the thread or unproven.  Mine came after Hallia claimed, but before Tina did. 

 

I disagree with the red, btw.  Des was revealed in the write up.  It's not like Lenlo was in any position to say, "Nah man, Des isn't a vig" after the kill appeared in the write up and is EASILY identified to one character.  IMO Des is the most easily cleared person right now.

[Verbal32]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but here is who wants to vote who:

 

Tom- Dawn

Clov- Tom

Hallia- Dawn

Dawn- Tom

Pral- Hallia

Des- Dawn

 

 

Do I have this right?

[Verbal32]

Oops

 

Lenlo- ?

[Verbal32]

@Des - who do you think the scum team is?

[Tommyrod]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but here is who wants to vote who:

 

Tom- Dawn

Clov- Tom

Hallia- Dawn

Dawn- Tom

Pral- Hallia

Des- Dawn

 

 

Do I have this right?

 

Looks like it checks out.

 

@Des - who do you think the scum team is?

 

He agreed with me on Dawn/Pral/Clov.

[Verbal32]

@Hallia - do you have more uses on your JOAT?  If so, what?

[Hallia]

Yes I have 1 more, a watch is what I have left

[Verbal32]

Tom- Dawn

Clov- Tom

Hallia- Dawn

Dawn- Tom

Pral- Hallia

Des- Dawn

 

Unless the scum team is actually Dawn/Pral/Clov, there is some hard bussing going on here.

[Verbal32]

If we hit scum today, we are actually in good shape.  With Lenlo, Hallia, and myself able to investigate (in a way), we can prob create a situation to solve the game tomorrow.  We just need to get through today.

 

@Hallia - where did Cory visit N1?

[dawnflower8]

Four hours. She's bailed.

 

##Vote Dawn

 

Either pick me or her. I'm confident in my reasoning. She'll flip scum.

I didn't "bail." I had English class, and then I had to rehearse for a play I'm in. I've got an archery lesson soon. Can't be on here long.

I really need Clov to come claim and provide thoughts?

 

 

Everybody, if you had only ONE choice to lynch for the win, who would it be?

 

ONE choice.

Tommy.