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[Tommyrod]

 

 

Shocker of the year!

 

Tbh I actually read Turin as town atm. Not good that he is being led

 

around by Peace however.

 

Peace/Darthe are scum/scum. Mish is on mah radar.

 

You know how I know you're scum?  Because you said that "to be honest" you are reading your

 

top meta-adversary as town.  Combine that with the thing about Turin already tunneling you

 

in RVS, and it looks like you're really trying to muddy the waters with respect top Turin. 

 

Scared he'd get a read on you?

 

I was told you're a really good player so I didn't expect the first

 

comment back from you to be "you said tbh so you're scum!" I'm sure you could build a

 

better case than this if you are trying to push the Des = scum angle.

 

UNVOTE

 

Despo is not scum after all.

 

He likes to use me when scum.  He'll give a town read on me in hopes of not

 

getting into a protracted argument.  When town...he reads me as scum often and is not

 

afraid of me focusing on him. 

 

Or maybe he just realized he can ignore or desicredit you.

 

That should convince him!

 

 

 

 

And also irrelevant.

 

Not sure what to do with TG now though.

Why does TG deleting a post make you unsure?

 

 

Ok quotes got messed up, but nested quote is from me for those with bad memory.

 

Because now I'm trying to figure out if it was actually a slip and he's desperatly trying

 

to backtrack, or he actually did something that he honestly regretted.

 

Fair enough

 

 

OMG it's BfG!

 

Fluff...

 

Apparently logic now ewuals psychobabble to the ignorant Dezpothera

 

More like anything he doesn't immediately get and see as favoring his agenda.  Easier to

 

dismiss something than parse it.

 

You're acknowledging Des could just be stubborn town here XD

 

 

 

What does warrents looking at mean?

Someone else needs to go back and read it in detail for me and tell me what to do

 

 

QFT

 

Fluff...

 

Had to go to notepad for this one, comments in purple, more to come

[Lenlo]

**Edited Out**  Comment unrelated to game.

Despo virtually the same thing as deleting it as there is NOTHING left of the original post. Nothing at all.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

What does warrents looking at mean?

Someone else needs to go back and read it in detail for me and tell me what to do

 

exactly.

 

 

K, Peace is on town meta.

 

I actually agree, but I'm still skeptical of people who clear capriciously.

 

 

 

Is the scum strategy in this game to make jokes

No thats just me.

 

 

Yeah, you're twice as lazy as Darthe.

 

Fluff...

 

 

Hey Lenlo I'm a civil engineer what kind are you

 

That's like engineering for people who can't hack it in mechanical, right?

 

Fluff...

 

 

 

 

Lol I assumed as much.

Kinda figured you were BSing anyway since you're voting him instead.

Prove it.

// INITIALIZING DAY VIG SCRIPT

// BULLET LOADED $$PM MOD WITH TARGET

// SHOOT AJ

 

#yolo

 

In case you aren't BSing:

 

Legit scum read on Darthe. The obsfucation was over the top IMO. His round about way of

 

saying that I defended Mish is sketchy as well. The logic behind it is full of holes. He

 

seems to think that others defending her would indicate she is scum although he has

 

essentially already cleared her through tone. There are several other possibilities he is

 

neglecting to acknowledge. One being that scum would WK Mish or that people generally

 

didn't understand his motive or thought process.

 

Leaning town on Mish.

 

Something about BFG's long OP WoT without a vote at the end feels off to me.

 

Peace's original case on Despo was bad. CS essentially started the argument by saying Despo

 

hurts his team as town which then prompted Despo's vote and following posts. Seems he

 

reread or is now clearing Despo from meta, not too sure here.

 

Dap looks bad for ducking out so quickly after the Dayvig threat.

 

Len's tone is good.

 

Despo is probtown.

 

 

I disagree with literally everything you said in this post.  Impressive job.

 

You should probably point out WHAT you disagree with

 

 

Do you think I'd just shoot you without reading the thread

Even I am not that lackadaisical right

 

Probably

 

Maybe

 

Coward.

 

Fluff...

 

And don't think I'm gonna let you wiggle out of not posting Seinfeld gifs today

 

I'll make you a deal

 

For every one you post tonight, I'll read a page of this game tomorrow

 

Terrorist.

 

Fluff... why are you quoting only the posts I made before I started playing seriously?

 

 

Calldd megascummy

Is town

is loggical

 

Lol

 

Ignorance isnt an insult btw. It is stating that someone is unaware of something. For

 

instance I am completely ignorant of how they make different shades in realistic paintings.

 

Indeed it isn't.  Most people don't understand that though.

 

Fluff...

 

 

Or Scumbat-Scumlaya maybe, since Scumlaya came to Scumbat's defense there

 

But Scumlami is terrible at whatever it is he is trying to do here

 

Nonsense.  I'm pretty sure he was trying to play the fool.  Success.

 

What? Explain.

 

 

Calldd megascummy

Is town

is loggical

 

Lol

Oh so you're town? Oh then we all have to instantly believe you then, right?

 

WHAT is illogical about the stuff people are saying about you?

 

 

^ Darthe continuing to dance around not explaining himself

 

Ignorance isnt an insult btw. It is stating that someone is unaware of something. For

 

instance I am completely ignorant of how they make different shades in realistic paintings.

That's only if you actually state what it is I am ignorant of. You didn't. You straight up

 

called me ignorant.

 

Personally, I could give a flying elephant, and you know that. But a personal attack is a

 

personal attack. Instead of defending yourself calmly and rationally, you went the low road

 

and took a cheap shot. That's well within your scum meta

 

 

And instead of making a legit case, you continue to substitute gifs for arguments.

 

Also,

 

NEWS FLASH: EVERYONE IS IGNORANT

 

Well, I agree that Des gets too narrow-minded, but it doesn't mean he's scum

 

Okay Tommy you are LOCK CLEAR

 

 

And thank you or reminding me about Pray. Yeah that interaction between him and Salami

 

looks bad for both of them. Pretty sure there's at least one scum in there, possibly two if

 

it was a weak distance attempt.

 

Gross.  You are mafia.

 

Fluff... 

 

Lol cause ur ignorant of how to recognize the difference between things youdisagree with a

 

scumminess

 

Black and White 4tw!

 

Fluff...

 

 

There's a number of people I find scummy, and this from TG def doesn't look good, but I

 

still don't understand how you have a town read on Darthe, my highest scum read by far.

Because you tunnel hard on Darthe every game.  It's difficult to tell what is pre-game bias

 

versus in game play.  I tend to discount your Darthe comments.

 

 

Yeah, so Peace is so town it hurts.

 

Fluff...

 

Darthe plop down your complete stream of consciousness interpretation of this game so I can

 

follow the thought process in your head because the one you left in the thread is not

 

legible; good place to start would be explaining how you turned around on Mish like that

 

Be careful what you wish for.

 

Fluff...

 

You managed to make a giant production and say essentially nothing. All I got from this is that Des is scum, Peace is locktown, and Des is scum for clearing me based on meta but you're totally okay to clear Peace. Then you try to get me to not try to extract some reasoning out of Darthe? Do you think these posts are providing value? If you wanna push Des, then actually PUSH him. This all smacks of a fake production.

[Tommyrod]

TG/Pral/Wombat, all are good lynch candidates for today.

[Tommyrod]

WTL Darthe, Lenlo, or AJ atm. Darthe still looks awful for me for ignoring my points against him.

Lol Des. I'm glad we're in complete agreement. What happened to your high Pral scumread? Why are you not seeing what I see WRT TG?

[Tommyrod]

And what do you make of this Wombat fluff? You're the one that told me he was a god tier player.

[WWWwombat]

Half of the posts you called fluff were game-related.  I don't like to explain things that are obvious.

[Tommyrod]

Despo, AJ, Dap, Lenlo

How do you put Des and Lenlo on the same team when Des was the one who said I couldn't clear Lenlo on good tone? How do you reconcile this with Des just now saying AJ and Lenlo are scum candidates? Distancing? 

[Tommyrod]

Half of the posts you called fluff were game-related.  I don't like to explain things that are obvious.

 

I'm seeing that. 

[hazelkrs1]

Sometimes we'll disagree. I know Darthe is your top scum read, but it's kind of blowing my mind that you apparently end up tunneling on him every single game and never learn from it. You need to be a little more flexible. In other recent games of mine I led 4 mislynches in a row as town because I keep lynching the scummiest player on D1 who keeps ending up being town because the mafia are smarter than that and try to blend in. Darthe isn't even attempting to blend in here, IMO. But there's a good example of someone trying to blend in (but failing): TG. My biggest Darthe = town lean was two things: him not trying at all while still acting like he's lock clear, which is exactly consistent with his behavior in the star wars game, and TG voting for him because I'm SURE TG is scum here. Now with TG tucking tail and moving his vote again, this time onto Lenlo, and Darthe outright refusing to defend himself for the fourth time, I'm not gonna hard defend Darthe anymore, but I *am* gonna say "I told you so" to you if Darthe flips town. TG is my highest scum suspect, Pral is in contention as well and there's a new TG/Pral link in TG's most recent posts, and Darthe is probably going to end up getting himself lynched by refusing to play the actual game. (As a disclaimer: if he does flip scum, feel free to laugh at me.)

 

I know I often find Darthe scummy. Thing is, I tend to retreat away from the logic that being wrong about someone in the past makes you more likely to be wrong about them in the future. It's pure wifom - you could easily end up disregarding a scumread on someone cause you usually suspect them, and they turn out to be scum in the end anyways. I keep in mind that it could be confirmation bias, but until Darthe makes SOME kind of attempt to explain his blatantly scummy "If I catch more heat for unvoting I might vote Mish again" comment, I'm going to continue believing that he's scum.

 

unvote

Vote: Despo

 

lololololol

 

Either you've gone back to being completely unable to read me, or you're scum. Leaning towards the latter.

 

I read your catchup wot's, and they weren't that good tbh. TO BE HONEST I MEAN. I mean seriously, one of the only points you brought up against me was me posting gifs instead of casing Darthe.... even tho I totally cased Darthe later on last night and you didn't even refer to it at all.

 

I saw nothing else you brought up against me really, and that point you DID bring up is bold-faced wrong.

 

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.  

 

I just want you to know how much I wish I could kill you ITT right now.

 

Of everyone in the game, YOU are the one who MOST needs to step up your game if you're town.

 

If I had a vig shot, I would be submitting your name to the mods in the largest font I could and would write "VIG DARTHE VIG DARTHE VIG DARTHE" all over my walls like I was a madman who just saw the Matrix irl for the first time.

 

There's SO MUCH wrong in Wombat's recent posts that I don't even know where to begin... JFC.

 

I agree. Kinda, actually REALLY, disappointing. He's normally spot on.

 

 

Alright edited that crass 404 out

 

Much appreciated.

 

I mean...

 

 

 

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.  

Bookmarked. Waiting to watch it flip incorrect on atleast 2 or 3 cases.

 

Oh GAWD. This is seriously looking like a scummy TMI alert.

 

 

**Edited Out**  Comment unrelated to game.

Despo virtually the same thing as deleting it as there is NOTHING left of the original post. Nothing at all.

 

Doesn't change the fact that you LITERALLY used the exact wording "deleted in its entirety" as a way of trying to make TG look worse. You were just repeating what others said instead of actually reading the thread and letting your read develop organically. If you had, you NEVER would have said "deleted in its entirety".

 

Seriously contemplating moving my vote to Lenlo, he is pinging all over the place now. Still holding hope tho that the Darthe train gets back on its rails.

[Tommyrod]

 

Half of the posts you called fluff were game-related.  I don't like to explain things that are obvious.

 

I'm seeing that. 

 

 

I asked you questions in the purple, get @ me.

[WWWwombat]

1.  I do almost everything capriciously.  Get used to it.

 

2.  I pointed out what I disagreed with in AJ's post when I said "literally everything."  There is not a single statement in that post that I agree with.  That's what "literally everything" means.

 

3.  Csarmi sometimes likes to pretend to know nothing about the theme.  I think he thinks it makes him look cool.

 

4.  I called that Des post gross because it buddied the crap out of you and had a dumb gif followed by nonsensical reads.  That's not fluff.  That's criticism of a crappy post.

 

5.  Black and White comment was not fluff.  It's ZOMG PSYCHOBABBLE

 

6.  Calling Peace town is not fluff either.  Especially because Peace is usually pretty scummy.

[hazelkrs1]

TG/Pral/Wombat, all are good lynch candidates for today.

 

I'm starting to think TG is town. I forgot to mention this before, but I don't think he's trying to meld in with town at all. He tried explaining himself the best he could, and more importantly moved his vote to Lenlo who wasn't high on anyone else's scumdar at the time, when he could have just left his vote parked on Darthe. That and the people pushing on TG (namely Lenlo, and you, who has me worried for hard defending Darthe) don't look great to me.

 

 

WTL Darthe, Lenlo, or AJ atm. Darthe still looks awful for me for ignoring my points against him.

Lol Des. I'm glad we're in complete agreement. What happened to your high Pral scumread? Why are you not seeing what I see WRT TG?

 

He still doesn't look great, but we won't get anything out of him on the weekends. He's completely inactive on the weekends. I'd rather apply pressure where it's more likely to get a reaction.

 

And what do you make of this Wombat fluff? You're the one that told me he was a god tier player.

 

He is. It's slightly disappointing that he isn't really making strong arguments yet. His reasoning on me is awful (he said I posted a gif instead of casing Darthe, even tho I totes cased Darthe just a few posts later). He has been wrong on me alot in the past tho, so /shrug

 

 

Half of the posts you called fluff were game-related.  I don't like to explain things that are obvious.

 

I'm seeing that. 

 

This is true fyi. Voting without giving reasoning became known as "Wombatting" for a while. I like when he does it a lot moar than when his imitators do it- he often has a reason for not giving reasoning (trap vote, or withholding the ping he noticed to see if others noticed it as well), whereas others usually just didn't have very good reason in the first place lol.

[hazelkrs1]

I agree that most of the stuff you called fluff wasn't really fluff... but Wombat still disappointed me somewhat.

 

@Wombat: Explain why you think I'm most likely to be scum atm. You said I posted a gif instead of casing Darthe, but I obviously did. I even linked it again for Darthe recently. Did you miss it? I can link it for you as well

[WWWwombat]

 

Sometimes we'll disagree. I know Darthe is your top scum read, but it's kind of blowing my mind that you apparently end up tunneling on him every single game and never learn from it. You need to be a little more flexible. In other recent games of mine I led 4 mislynches in a row as town because I keep lynching the scummiest player on D1 who keeps ending up being town because the mafia are smarter than that and try to blend in. Darthe isn't even attempting to blend in here, IMO. But there's a good example of someone trying to blend in (but failing): TG. My biggest Darthe = town lean was two things: him not trying at all while still acting like he's lock clear, which is exactly consistent with his behavior in the star wars game, and TG voting for him because I'm SURE TG is scum here. Now with TG tucking tail and moving his vote again, this time onto Lenlo, and Darthe outright refusing to defend himself for the fourth time, I'm not gonna hard defend Darthe anymore, but I *am* gonna say "I told you so" to you if Darthe flips town. TG is my highest scum suspect, Pral is in contention as well and there's a new TG/Pral link in TG's most recent posts, and Darthe is probably going to end up getting himself lynched by refusing to play the actual game. (As a disclaimer: if he does flip scum, feel free to laugh at me.)

 

I know I often find Darthe scummy. Thing is, I tend to retreat away from the logic that being wrong about someone in the past makes you more likely to be wrong about them in the future. It's pure wifom - you could easily end up disregarding a scumread on someone cause you usually suspect them, and they turn out to be scum in the end anyways. I keep in mind that it could be confirmation bias, but until Darthe makes SOME kind of attempt to explain his blatantly scummy "If I catch more heat for unvoting I might vote Mish again" comment, I'm going to continue believing that he's scum.

 

unvote

Vote: Despo

 

lololololol

 

Either you've gone back to being completely unable to read me, or you're scum. Leaning towards the latter.

 

I read your catchup wot's, and they weren't that good tbh. TO BE HONEST I MEAN. I mean seriously, one of the only points you brought up against me was me posting gifs instead of casing Darthe.... even tho I totally cased Darthe later on last night and you didn't even refer to it at all.

 

I saw nothing else you brought up against me really, and that point you DID bring up is bold-faced wrong.

 

 

 

Care to reconcile the bolded?

[hazelkrs1]

What's to reconcile?

 

I don't let being wrong about someone in the past keep me from disregarding I read I have on someone in the present. You shouldn't either. I have used this against you before.

 

HOWEVER.

 

I AM town this game. Meaning if you are as well, you've gone back to not being able to read me well, because I think I'm doing a good job already of making my reasoning and motivations transparent.

 

---

 

Now, how about you reconcile what I just asked you?

[WWWwombat]

Your "case" on Darthe is awful.  His reversal on Mish might have been sketchy if it weren't pretty obvious why he did it.  Darthe even explained it already.

[Tommyrod]

 

TG/Pral/Wombat, all are good lynch candidates for today.

 

I'm starting to think TG is town. I forgot to mention this before, but I don't think he's trying to meld in with town at all. He tried explaining himself the best he could, and more importantly moved his vote to Lenlo who wasn't high on anyone else's scumdar at the time, when he could have just left his vote parked on Darthe. That and the people pushing on TG (namely Lenlo, and you, who has me worried for hard defending Darthe) don't look great to me.

 

 

WTL Darthe, Lenlo, or AJ atm. Darthe still looks awful for me for ignoring my points against him.

Lol Des. I'm glad we're in complete agreement. What happened to your high Pral scumread? Why are you not seeing what I see WRT TG?

 

He still doesn't look great, but we won't get anything out of him on the weekends. He's completely inactive on the weekends. I'd rather apply pressure where it's more likely to get a reaction.

 

And what do you make of this Wombat fluff? You're the one that told me he was a god tier player.

 

He is. It's slightly disappointing that he isn't really making strong arguments yet. His reasoning on me is awful (he said I posted a gif instead of casing Darthe, even tho I totes cased Darthe just a few posts later). He has been wrong on me alot in the past tho, so /shrug

 

 

Half of the posts you called fluff were game-related.  I don't like to explain things that are obvious.

 

I'm seeing that. 

 

This is true fyi. Voting without giving reasoning became known as "Wombatting" for a while. I like when he does it a lot moar than when his imitators do it- he often has a reason for not giving reasoning (trap vote, or withholding the ping he noticed to see if others noticed it as well), whereas others usually just didn't have very good reason in the first place lol.

 

 

If this is just how he is then I'll withhold judgment temporarily until he posts moar, but color me unimpressed.

 

How sure are you TG is town here? You know him better than I do, but I find it pretty hard to believe. Like... really super hard to believe. 

[Tommyrod]

 

TG is scummier

I think Darthe is scummy but TG is more so

I didn't vote cos it's a rather large train ATM and I wanted so see responses from TG

 

And now I go to work

(and sorry for the rambles

 

It's the state I'm in)

 

ROFL.  Nice hedge/nudge.

 

 

I actually agree with this, this is a really bad p0ast from Dap. But what I really don't like is this:

 

"Turrible is despos word

Why are you using the game weirdness

It's really odd"

 

This looks like Dap is easing into linking Des and TG, which is really bad if he already knows TG is gonna flip scum.

[hazelkrs1]

Your "case" on Darthe is awful.  His reversal on Mish might have been sketchy if it weren't pretty obvious why he did it.  Darthe even explained it already.

 

Then you didn't read the case on Darthe at all apparently.

 

His backtrack on Mish has little to do with why I find him so scummy.

 

He LITERALLY said that if he continued to get more heat for unvoting Mish, he would revote Mish, even tho the sentence before that he says she is not deserving of a vote atm.

 

Reconcile THAT Wombat. THAT is my case on Darthe (in addition to his continuous dodging of this point). And there's now way that you can make me believe town!Wombat would find that awful.

 

And while you're at it, reconcile your read on me.

 

 

If this is just how he is then I'll withhold judgment temporarily until he posts moar, but color me unimpressed.

 

How sure are you TG is town here? You know him better than I do, but I find it pretty hard to believe. Like... really super hard to believe. 

 

He has a very deep game. If town, we should eventually see it.

 

I'm not sure TG is town. But he DID try to explain himself, voted for someone that looked scummy to him instead of just sheeping someone else, and those pushing him don't look good.

[michellem]

Ok I've been ninjaed like a dozen times as I'm also watching a movie and forgot to actually write my post for a while, haven't seen any posts after the one I'm quoteing ftr.

 

 

 

 

 

Where did Pral go? He just went poof.

 

 

 

 

 

Well I don't have a clue what this other game is and I don't care; if it's ongoing it shouldn't be used here and I won't take it into consideration. He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us, and when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing. Two scummy moves. Yes, I'm gonna need to see some more from TG before I'm even half convinced to move my vote away.

 
You say two scummy moves- but both have pretty easy explanations so don't really look that scummy AT ALL to me. So why continue to call them scummy?
 
"He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us" - the info that he had pertained to another ongoing game that Salami and TG were both in. So this isn't a case of scummy TMI.
 
"when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing" - looks a lot more to me like he was shown that he did something not very kosher, and got embarassed so deleted it (btw he didn't delete the post, he edited out what he said before. Just sayin).
 
Not saying this makes TG look town, but both of those things together look a lot more null indicative to me than scummy.
 
I liked some of the rest of your post tho. I do think you're overly sensitive about one-on-one arguments lately. It's kind of a normal thing to see in mafia games, and you acting like it doesn't belong in games and that arguments should be taken off thread just seems wrong to me. Gameplay is gameplay. It's supposed to be on thread. I wasn't arguing with Salami about ANYTHING that wasn't directly related to what had happened THIS game.

 

You don't think it's scummy; I do.  It's that easy.

 

 

 

 

Feeling slightly better about Kaylee and Mish. Still need more from Kaylee (and not sideline snipe posts, actual #work), and some slightly less emotional responses from Mish to make sure she's not hiding behind AtE.

 

WTL Darthe, Lenlo, or AJ atm. Darthe still looks awful for me for ignoring my points against him.

 

 

Bolded: Oh for heavens sake, have you ever seen me do that? It's not the first time in a game you've tried to use an argument like that against me, but I have yet to see you prove I have ever done that. This sounds like you are trying to back away, but don't want to be seen as completly backtracking, and keeping the option open for turning again as it suits you.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

I actually think not Womby.  I no longer trust scum tells here because the town/scummy behavior ratio is approaching 1:1.  You may as well play random and have fun mate, it won't matter.  

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

 

This sounds like some linkage broseph. I'm just asking you to clarify. You called her mediating a scumtell, her response was "I'm not mediating" and then you unvote to switch to Despo.

 

I'm asking why or how that changed your mind.

 

 

It is.  Linking is valid, people just misuse it because they don't know how to read and critically analyze.  It is generally misplaced titling of interaction.  Real linking is a logical form of conjecture and must apply to situations rather than people.  I recognized that she believed her words and that lessened my suspicion to the point that I did not think it warranted a vote.  Whether or not her responses are or, in this case, aren't satisfactory is secondary to the way that she says them.  Simply stated I read her post as being very genuine and mafia are not genuine.

 

 

Here is Darthe's explanation for his switch.  In short, Mish responded to his vote in a way that made him think she was town.  Why he didn't explain this at the time is also rather clear from Darthe's statement that everyone is giving him crap for.  By not explaining his reasoning at first, Darthe induced the opportunistic to cast suspicion on him.  That is rather useful info.

 

 

 

 

It is.  Linking is valid, people just misuse it because they don't know how to read and critically analyze.  It is generally misplaced titling of interaction.  Real linking is a logical form of conjecture and must apply to situations rather than people.  I recognized that she believed her words and that lessened my suspicion to the point that I did not think it warranted a vote.  Whether or not her responses are or, in this case, aren't satisfactory is secondary to the way that she says them.  Simply stated I read her post as being very genuine and mafia are not genuine.

 

MOAR PSYCHBABBLE FLUFF

 

 

And here is you dismissing Darthe's reasoning out of hand.

[Tommyrod]

 

Your "case" on Darthe is awful.  His reversal on Mish might have been sketchy if it weren't pretty obvious why he did it.  Darthe even explained it already.

 

Then you didn't read the case on Darthe at all apparently.

 

His backtrack on Mish has little to do with why I find him so scummy.

 

He LITERALLY said that if he continued to get more heat for unvoting Mish, he would revote Mish, even tho the sentence before that he says she is not deserving of a vote atm.

 

Reconcile THAT Wombat. THAT is my case on Darthe (in addition to his continuous dodging of this point). And there's now way that you can make me believe town!Wombat would find that awful.

 

And while you're at it, reconcile your read on me.

 

If this is just how he is then I'll withhold judgment temporarily until he posts moar, but color me unimpressed.

 

 

How sure are you TG is town here? You know him better than I do, but I find it pretty hard to believe. Like... really super hard to believe.

 

He has a very deep game. If town, we should eventually see it.

 

I'm not sure TG is town. But he DID try to explain himself, voted for someone that looked scummy to him instead of just sheeping someone else, and those pushing him don't look good.

 

I see it as the exact opposite. Whenever TG gets questioned for who he's voting, he jumps ship and goes for someone else. Do you think it's just a fun coincidence that when I called him out on sheeping your suspicions both times, he finds his own "case" which is based on an argument that Lenlo could not possibly win because the original content has been removed? If you're counting me in the people pushing him who don't look good, then you need to get over your Darthe-induced myopia and realize that we can disagree and still both be town. I'm reading you as town here because you have conviction and care about your cases and keep them updated. I'd hope you see the same from me since you said I was "lock clear" earlier, but if not, you'll come around, because eventually we'll converge on the same scum and nuke the hope out of them.

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Ok I've been ninjaed like a dozen times as I'm also watching a movie and forgot to actually write my post for a while, haven't seen any posts after the one I'm quoteing ftr.

 

Where did Pral go? He just went poof.

 

 

Well I don't have a clue what this other game is and I don't care; if it's ongoing it shouldn't be used here and I won't take it into consideration. He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us, and when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing. Two scummy moves. Yes, I'm gonna need to see some more from TG before I'm even half convinced to move my vote away.

 

You say two scummy moves- but both have pretty easy explanations so don't really look that scummy AT ALL to me. So why continue to call them scummy?

 

"He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us" - the info that he had pertained to another ongoing game that Salami and TG were both in. So this isn't a case of scummy TMI.

 

"when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing" - looks a lot more to me like he was shown that he did something not very kosher, and got embarassed so deleted it (btw he didn't delete the post, he edited out what he said before. Just sayin).

 

Not saying this makes TG look town, but both of those things together look a lot more null indicative to me than scummy.

 

I liked some of the rest of your post tho. I do think you're overly sensitive about one-on-one arguments lately. It's kind of a normal thing to see in mafia games, and you acting like it doesn't belong in games and that arguments should be taken off thread just seems wrong to me. Gameplay is gameplay. It's supposed to be on thread. I wasn't arguing with Salami about ANYTHING that wasn't directly related to what had happened THIS game.

 

You don't think it's scummy; I do.  It's that easy.

 

 

 

 

Feeling slightly better about Kaylee and Mish. Still need more from Kaylee (and not sideline snipe posts, actual #work), and some slightly less emotional responses from Mish to make sure she's not hiding behind AtE.

 

Bolded: Oh for heavens sake, have you ever seen me do that? It's not the first time in a game you've tried to use an argument like that against me, but I have yet to see you prove I have ever done that. This sounds like you are trying to back away, but don't want to be seen as completly backtracking, and keeping the option open for turning again as it suits you.

 

Underlined: Am I the only one that knows people's meta around here? Pray is never active on the weekends. I still think he got some 'splaining to do, but pointing out his absence as if it's significant is... not good. Hopefully you just don't know his meta yet.

 

Green: nononono. You don't just get to say "I guess we disagree". Respond to the points I made and say WHY you disagree and why you still think they seem scummy please.

 

Bolded: I saw you hide behind AtE in a SG game a while ago. Can't remember which one off the top of my head. I didn't play in it (or I died early, one of the two) but I observed alot. Tress was on your team I remember.

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In conclusion, Des, you have jumped on the first opportunity to tunnel Darthe and have shown even more reluctance than usual to reconsider.  You are forcing your meta in order to fake tunnel Darthe.  This allows you to express very few opinions on other players for D1 and gives you a built-in excuse should Darthe flip town.  And that is why I think you are scum.