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nervositee Community Regular

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 are you gonna vote vos tonight? deadline is tomorrow. 

 

Are you asking if I'm gonna vote or if someone else is gonna vote me? I'm well underway but I won't promise a vote tonight, but I'll try my best. Putting together a complete list of reads as a read through now. 

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Annnd lost my quote bubbles. I hate you sometimes DM quoting system. v.v

Hally I’m sorry but I couldn’t make anything out of your catch-up post. Have you maybe saved it somewhere so you could post it again and if not could you give a short summary?

 

Wow Hallia with all that time getting quotes you didnt manage to see the other post about the exact same thing where ive already disussed that and so have other people. Maybe hallia is scum? lurking pretty much the whole game along with peace. and going for a lynch on probably the most advocated town player all game.

Stop going in OMGUS mode whenever someone votes for you. It doesn’t mean that they are scum. I have also found your play to be scummy during the beginning of Day 1 but you did step it up at the later stages and you were the first player to seriously push for a Despo lynch after the initial train on him died away. And not to mention that Despo had both you and Kaylee as his only scumreads for a moment after he unvoted from AJ which also speakes in both of your favors. I hope she will realize this too after she finishes her catch-up.

 

Hallia is town because of her early vote on Despo and I liked her reads at the start of Day 1 a lot. See the following:

 

These three votes from Amega, Kay and Hallia on Despo when his train died make all three of them look great.

 

 

well then.. id have to agree im am a feels player.. walls of logic and texted loopholes aint my thing. Im not sure about this doc thing but if he's fake well find out soon enough and we got an assured lynch. Im not going to consider a no lynch though. And since my number one pick is out of commission

 

unvote vote des

 

AJ: it wasn't just your threats, it was also overstating how your town. Stood out to me.

 

Now that I'm back from date night I'll place my vote.

 

Vote Des

 

I was undecided on him, but his back off of AJ with basically no reason doesn't seem town behavior to me. He's been asked about it and posted since yet not addressed it.

 

Reading back it looks like you're right Kay, and I'm fine with putting a little pressure on him. Your retort Dessypoo?

 

Vote Des

 

 

 

Underlined-At that point Amega didn't have anything much clear so I was confused. I didn't say I read Amega as confused, I said my read on him was confused.

This is the post that we are talking about. It doesn’t read to me like you said that your read on him was confused. You literally say that he appeared to you as confused, which I translate as you getting a town vibe from him because only townies can get genuinely confused.

 

 

@ Amega, to me you didn't appear scummy more of confused. So are you saying that since I suspected Kaylee on the same ground I should suspect you? Saw because I suspected Kaylee and not you, you decide to vote me? This vote of yours is the most oppurtunistic vote, jumping on a wagon without any real reason.

 

 

 

Bold & Italics-I had a confused read on him, now read him as null. I said his vote was oppurtunistic, it seems scummy alright. But still I read him as confused just joining on a wagon without any real reason.

Lol you said yourself that only scum place votes that are opportunistic, and now you are suddenly reading his play as null? The bolded is also ironic because you kept arguing how only your read on him was confused :rolleyes: I guess that was a lie too.

 

Italics & Underlined-If you are listening to what I say, why don't you give a damn to what explanation I'm giving.

Dude, how many times do I have to repeat myself on this? I AM reading your posts. The only post that I skimmed was your case on Day 1 which I quite frankly found to be unreadable. Just because you manage to come up with nice explanations for your actions doesn’t mean that the actions themselves aren’t scummy anymore.

 

 

Bold & Underlined-When I say something, I mean something by it. So when that is read as something that is misconstruing for me

I can't read your mind.

 

 

Your really gonna try and convince everyone the two people wombat has been clearing all game are secretly scum and slipped under his nose? NO way in hell.

 

Dont even care for an x vote now. He seems to have given up and the claim is probably genuine UNVOTE X VOTE HALLIA

How did you come to the conclusion that his claim is genuine? Character claiming is allowed in this game which means that the mafia team has been given safe claims by Kronos. Him claiming Vanilla also doesn’t tell us anything because the only two power roles the mafia can claim in a basic game of this size are Cop and Doc.

 

Cloud im not entirely settled on an x lynch. Whats your reads on hallia, peace and leelou.

I have explained why Hallia is town. Leelou is town because of this:

 

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone :biggrin:

 

 

Here are my thoughts on pages 1 - 5:

 

Underlined: Unfortunately not much. Only other person that really sticks out to me so far is Leelou somewhat- her first post was a "helpful townie" post asking about the player list, second post was a reminder about future activity level from her, third was a joke vote on Wombat, who everyone pretty much loves. After this she's a little active and even has a jab @ Salami, which I dunno seems strange after her explanation about how she'd only post at night.

This pretty much clears Leelou as town for me. He is bringing up that horrible “helpful townie” scumtell that he is so fond of using, and then continues on trying to FoS her for a joke vote on Wombat with the reasoning being that everyone loves Wombat and for her jab at Salami which was actually a joke between her and Salami. In short this is terrible reasoning for suspecting someone and the fact that he is scrambling for every little thing he can find and tries to turn it into something substantial is telling. I also doubt that he is trying to distance away from Leelou because he has only mentioned AJ so far. If he had managed to get him lynched and he flips town he could then easily switch to his second scum read which would be Leelou, but he would be stuck in an awkward position if everyone started pointing out how scummy he had found Leelou at the start of the game but didn’t follow up on it.

 

And her later read on Kaylee mirrored my own which is always a good sign.

 

I have to admit tht out of the three of them I'm the least sure about Peace, but I read him as town because at the start of Day 1 he posted something about Despo being scum which he followed up with a vote, his later read on Kaylee mirrored my own just like with Leelou, and his second vote on Despo was important because it turned the favor into his lynch instead of Kay's.

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Honestly, if you guys still don't see how X only keeps twisting the meaning behind his posts and doesn't do ANYTHING else that would help the town in finding the remaining two mafia members then I don't know what to tell you anymore. He has me and TG as his scum reads, and still hasn't bothered to explain what he found scummy about him. I guess it's a bit hard to justify a read like that because you would have to agree with your other scum read :rolleyes: He also hasn't followed either of his reads up with a vote.

nervositee Community Regular

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thats fair.. you go ahead and pout about formatting while i catch some scum.. 

 

And while I'm doing my re-read, I just had to put an emphasized eye-roll and a  :dry: -smiley here. Get it together. 

 

:rolleyes: 

 

:dry:

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1. Kaylee Vos - me. 
2. Wwwwombat - Lynched Day 2
3. Verbal32 - NK'd Night 2
4. Despo - Megabyte, Virus - Lynched Day 1

5. Cory Amegakure - "Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part.  never been a fan of town lurking.". At this point peace is my strongest town-read, and as AJ pointed out - why not be suspicious instead of claiming town as if it was confirmed? Des comes in and uses just that as a reason to vote. Goes off the radar except for some annoying formatting and even more annoying answers when that was pointed out. Also, this sentence: "Im leaning town on Cloud. it would be good to keep an eye open tho.. Just in case." is pinging. I'm hoping you (if town) are keeping your eyes open on everyone, not just the players you suspect. Seems like buddying then soft-distancing. Later game I'm not really finding anything that pings either way. He seems a bit sour and OMGUS'y, and is certainly not scum together with Peace, heh. [to Hallia] "and going for a lynch on probably the most advocated town player all game." - and... that would be you?

6. Hallia - Inactive start, then goes into "follow"-mode. Putting "a little pressure" on Des and being very eager for him to answer. Stays off the radar throughout. Then dismisses everything from D2 because we went to random. Which is doing town even more of a disservice. Either scum or poor town. Not sure why she mentioned me with Amega, but ok. 

7. Peace - "Got a strong eye on one other person as well.  But, Despo is the first scum. ". I might misunderstand, but I read it as a bait for scum, because it's hinting at a PR, so a scum would get jumpy and prod to see who else was in the line of sight. Sadly it also came across as a bit cloak & dagger (scum plays in the shadows town play in the open), so Kaylee (me) had to ask. Also liking his prod on X's buzzword-play (ref). Too quiet but every prod has yielded a tad more clarity and I think he has done good for town. Leaning town, but would like to see more. 
 

8. Puppets TGlems - Starts by voting Csarmi for being off meta (not claiming VT, heh). Got in some heat over 'tunneling' the meta-angle. I think it was meant good, but attracted votes based on playstyle/policy than gameplay. Null read for now. 
 

9. Leelou - Not a big fan of how she went after Kay about the gambit-thing. Alot of people had been calling it a gambit (I don't agree, but that doesn't matter now) and I think Kay did smart by actually starting a competing train instead of just bulldoze. Leelou also seem to see the opportunity that Peace leads the case, and she follows. No likey. Keeps on going in her dark tunnel after Kay, ignoring mostly everything else because Kay is vague. Then says Wombat seem scummy, but not gonna bother quoting all of them. Then goes off the radar. Not liking her play but not enough to warrant a stronger scum-read. Null but suspicious, probably warrants a ISO tomorrow. 

10. Csarmi Cloud - Jumps into the AJ-Des-fray and claims gambit, then Des "compliments" his reasoning, saying it "mirrors" his own and gives him a town lean. Asks to be replaced after TG points off he is way off meta. Clouds jumps in. Right off the bat I find it hard to understand why Cloud clear Leelou, because Des made a weak FoS on her. It was at the start of the game and could easily have been soft distancing. But cloud says he doesn't think it is because if Des managed to lynch AJ then people would harrass Des to lynch his number 2. That doesn't make sense, at the start of the game people make air-castles and weak cases and far-fetched FoS'es to prod. It could easily have been dismissed as weak if brought up later.

 

Eager to find Csarmi's and Des' exchange and use it to clear Csarmi (and by extention himself) as town, even if it doesn't really hold water. I don't follow alot of his thoughts, like when he clears Hallia as town for being "spot on", yet not really contributing anything new at all. Suspicious of how uncritical he is of Hally in general, saying how proud he was that he had her pegged for town at once. (link to Kaylee ISO of her which shows she isn't exactly being obvious town). Takes a 180 around page 10 in his re-read and now has a town read on his tunneled scum-reads (Kaylee and Amega). Don't like his summary either, "TLDR: X and TG are scum. Lynch either of them and follow me for the win!" - seems to much like "Cloud being mafia trying to be extremely vocal town-leader". His willingness to switch votes for town-points doesn't do him any favours either. Claims X is scummy for trying to clear himself off his read that Des was town. Ironic considering how much time Cloud used to clear himself as town using earlier interactions.

 

Also attacks X for defending himself for missing the deadline, claiming he is feeling guilty, which is a scum-tell. This pings majorly for me. Town lost a lynch, got a random with no coroners report. This only helps mafia and hurt town. So he SHOULD feel guilty because all town who didn't vote did town a disservice, to the advantage of mafia.

 

I can see the reason he gives later, but I think coming down this hard on "you should have slightly formulated your sentence differently" is opportunistic at best. Also the fact that you have Hallia as not just "leaning town" but "SHE IS TOWN, BECAUSE", and then quote this: "Reading back it looks like you're right Kay, and I'm fine with putting a little pressure on him. Your retort Dessypoo? Vote Des" - I mean, what!? Following Kaylee and not making a proper stance makes her definite town? Wtf!?

 

Goes back to playing the town leader that has everything figured out, follow me and be saved, lalala, heard it before Cloud. Leaning scum. 

 

11. AJ - Phong, Town Doc - NK'd Night 1

12. Xthrax - Starting with some random throwing-around of buzzwords, kind of missing the point (referenced in Peaces block). Then posts some huge quoted walls of text, but very selective in where he looks. Had to break his read on Kaylee into three huge posts, prodding and asking a lot of questions, and then saying "Oh, and verb... null". Jumps hard on people switching standpoints, yet when D1 revolved so much about Des and AJ, alot of people adjusted (like good townies do) their reads based on the continuos play. Uses this as his reason to vote Kaylee at the end of his walls. Also, after Des' flip: "Huh, this confirmed my slight scummy feel on him. One mafia down." - looking for TOWN CONFIRMATION much? Even carries it on. "Well, I'd like to point out that I had a scummy read on Des-refer my read on him where I mention so." - come on. Ping after ping here. "Firstly we are still on N1, so I'd like to see a little more talk before making any strong statements" - why? If you have strong opinions you should voice them, not acting coy. It seems like you are trying too hard to come across as town, talking the talk but not walking the walk. Gets very fussy when people vote him, slamming their cases as "weak" or even "poorly constructed". Generally does a bad job at defending himself from Cloud, and just counter-attacks instead of actually clarifying. Either scum or abit too paranoid and eager to stay alive. 

 
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Now I'm in a pickle, because I read both X and Cloud as scum, but I'm also pretty sure they are NOT team-mates. On second place as suspicious is Hallia and Amega. 

 

 

Des' Reads on these four:

5. Cory Amegakure - Scum. Hasn't handled reads well all game, has only focused on me and AJ instead of looking at others as well, and I think he scumslipped with that thing on Peace.

6. Hallia - Null. Looks like Hallia is back to her old ways unfortunately.
10. Csarmi - Town, had something early which made me think so, can't remember now. But he's followed up his stuff fairly well, and pointed out inconsistencies and such in other's posts.
12. Xthrax - Null, I honestly skimmed right past his wot's, didn't really have time to read them.

 

 

Which, after much analyzing, doesn't help me at all  :dry: except maybe give Amega a little leverage. That is some relatively strong wording for a distancing-move. I wouldn't rule it out though. 

 

Also, not a big fan of Amega coming and pressuring me to vote tonight, then Cloud following up with his cavalier Captain-Town-move to make me vote X. There is still 28 hours until deadline though. Not sure how the activity-level here is, and how long we can safely put off going for someone. 

 

Right now my guts say Cloud. He is better as town than scum, and there is a lot of holes in his cases. And proposing Amega as his scum-buddy, but might be Hallia or even Leelou. 

 

I'll place my vote on Cloud actually. We're safely distant from DL that I'll put my vote where my scum-read is, instead of just "going for a lynch". 

 

Vote Cloud. 

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thats pretty interesting. I liked some of the points you made on cloud. But if X was Pinging so hard why is he not in your top 4? and Really peace just gonna follow the leader? 

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thats pretty interesting. I liked some of the points you made on cloud. But if X was Pinging so hard why is he not in your top 4? and Really peace just gonna follow the leader? 

 

Who said what first?  Look closely.

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i dont recall you saying much of anything all game except for random votes here and there or vague statements of this person is scummy.. feel free to prove me wrong but im not going to chase after the needle in a hay stack.

and vos just said a few things about x made some hard pings to him. and my question is why he isnt in his own top 4 for scum.

 
 
 
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Now I'm in a pickle, because I read both X and Cloud as scum, but I'm also pretty sure they are NOT team-mates. On second place as suspicious is Hallia and Amega. 

 

 

Des' Reads on these four:

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5. Cory Amegakure - Scum. Hasn't handled reads well all game, has only focused on me and AJ instead of looking at others as well, and I think he scumslipped with that thing on Peace.

6. Hallia - Null. Looks like Hallia is back to her old ways unfortunately.
10. Csarmi - Town, had something early which made me think so, can't remember now. But he's followed up his stuff fairly well, and pointed out inconsistencies and such in other's posts.
12. Xthrax - Null, I honestly skimmed right past his wot's, didn't really have time to read them.

 

 

Which, after much analyzing, doesn't help me at all   :dry: except maybe give Amega a little leverage. That is some relatively strong wording for a distancing-move. I wouldn't rule it out though. 

 

Also, not a big fan of Amega coming and pressuring me to vote tonight, then Cloud following up with his cavalier Captain-Town-move to make me vote X. There is still 28 hours until deadline though. Not sure how the activity-level here is, and how long we can safely put off going for someone. 

 

Right now my guts say Cloud. He is better as town than scum, and there is a lot of holes in his cases. And proposing Amega as his scum-buddy, but might be Hallia or even Leelou. Why no mention of X. when right above you talk about him and cloud being top pics?

 

I'll place my vote on Cloud actually. We're safely distant from DL that I'll put my vote where my scum-read is, instead of just "going for a lynch". 

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could vote Cloud as well.

You frustrate me to no end. Why did you switch your vote from Amega? What was your reasoning for voting him in the first place? Why do you find my scummy?

 

Vos: take a look at the votecounts from Day 1.

 

 

I'm Bob the Guardian, Town Cop. Salami viewed Verbal Night 1 and I viewed X Night 2. He is mafia.

 

I wanted to avoid doing this so I could view TG Night 2 and if by any chance that I was wrong about him switch my play, but the way you guys fail to understand why X is scummy left me no choice but to claim. My advice for you is if you want to win this game you should lynch TG tomorrow, and if by any chance he flips town which I highly doubt he will lynch Peace.

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Right off the bat I find it hard to understand why Cloud clear Leelou, because Des made a weak FoS on her. It was at the start of the game and could easily have been soft distancing. But cloud says he doesn't think it is because if Des managed to lynch AJ then people would harrass Des to lynch his number 2. That doesn't make sense, at the start of the game people make air-castles and weak cases and far-fetched FoS'es to prod. It could easily have been dismissed as weak if brought up later.

It was the way Despo formulated his FoS against Leelou, and the fact that he started poking her again when he unvoted from AJ. I don’t expect you to understand.

 

Eager to find Csarmi's and Des' exchange and use it to clear Csarmi (and by extention himself) as town, even if it doesn't really hold water.

Wombat also kept repeating this while he was alive and yet he never went in on my offer to prove how it doesn’t make any sense. I will ask the same thing to you, deconstruct my logic behind it and prove how it doesn’t clear Salami.

 

Takes a 180 around page 10 in his re-read and now has a town read on his tunneled scum-reads (Kaylee and Amega).

See the reason why I made that drastic turn in my reads on Kay and Amega. You can read it in my catch-up post.

 

Don't like his summary either, "TLDR: X and TG are scum. Lynch either of them and follow me for the win!" - seems to much like "Cloud being mafia trying to be extremely vocal town-leader".

Or, you know, I managed to catch the remaining two mafia while catching up and clear everyone else as town in one way or another? 

 

Also attacks X for defending himself for missing the deadline, claiming he is feeling guilty, which is a scum-tell. This pings majorly for me.Town lost a lynch, got a random with no coroners report. This only helps mafia and hurt town. So he SHOULD feel guilty because all town who didn't vote did town a disservice, to the advantage of mafia.

It should have been clear to everyone that Wombat was town by the end of Day 2.

 

"Reading back it looks like you're right Kay, and I'm fine with putting a little pressure on him. Your retort Dessypoo? Vote Des" - I mean, what!? Following Kaylee and not making a proper stance makes her definite town? Wtf!?

Check the vote counts from Day 1. Hallia was the third person to vote for Despo right after Kay. This basically auto clears her as town because a town Hallia has the tendency to follow the player she suspects is the most townie and it wouldn’t make sense for her to do that so quickly and without unvoting later on if she was his teammate.

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