[Basic] Reboot Mafia Game MAFIA WINS

[csarmi]

Not sure what you mean AJ. But it's 8 in the morning here in Hungary and apart from my visit to the doctor's, I'll be close to my computer. Deadline is in 8 hours I think?

 

Yea I'll be around.

 

I'd still rather lynch Kaylee.

[Andrej]

I was asking if you'll be around for long so we can coordinate our votes. Idk if you'll have to leave for work or whatever shortly which is why I asked. I would rather lynch Kaylee as well but she hasn't claimed and Despo says he's a VT so that's the safer route.

[csarmi]

Yea I'm not fond of the "um we can't lynch her cause she didn't claim" argument. It's not like she didn't have the opportunity.

[csarmi]

Let's see what the others have to say tho. I'll be around to consolidate.

[Andrej]

That's a fair point. I don't think we've got the numbers at this point anyway due to timezone differences though.

[hazelkrs1]

Alright before I get started I might as well explain my AJ unvote from before.

 

When I started my exploratory push on AJ, I def didn't expect the wild omgus, but when he started being extra boldsauce with it and threatening to have me killed and stuff, I at first thought he might be hinting at Vig, but when I saw his wording in other posts I figured that was out of the question so he was practically claiming scum.

 

After looking at it again later however, I started getting a different feeling for why AJ was acting like that. First of all, I started to think that AJ likely wouldn't be that obvious as scum, even if he WAS drunk posting. Second, I thought he might have been pulling that bold braggadocio stuff because he might be a PR and knew he could fall back on a claim to save him (I ended up being right about that lol) so was going balls out. I think he was saying he would crush me and ensure I was killed and stuff cause he prob had no fear of being lynched, and could even have little fear of being NK'ed if he was Doc.

 

Btw as a quick aside- with the Doc now outed, it's more important than EVAR for the Cop to stay hidden, so PLEASE Cop if you get a guilty please don't instaclaim, wait till the game is closer to being solved or something.

 

Anyways, since I saw a potential townie justification for acting the way he was, I decided it would be best to try and peel off of him to keep him from claiming if he WAS Doc or Cop or something. I didn't want to explain my reasoning at the time since I didn't want scummers to come to the same conclusion I did, so I used some off the wall reasoning and figured AJ might pick up on it. Not sure if he did but I think so.

 

Okay now on to everything else-

 

And for the most part ill assume everyone is town. Logically you have more of a chance to be town then scum. Then you base your reads on what their do out of character or saying.

 

You really kind of have it in reverse here bub. MUUUUUCH better to do the opposite and assume everyone to be scum till they show themselves as town.

 

I'm not sure if this is you seriously having this kind of faulty strategy as town or if it's you trying to explain your TMI scumslip on Peace after the fact. I seem to remember before I was off you trying to flail and scramble to explain that.

 

So, anyone else feel that Despot is off? Cause...I don't think he's town

 

Is SP voting me atm? Lemme check cause if he's not he's prob scum for this terribad nudge post...

 

Nope he's not voting anyone. Strong scum read based off this post then, figured he could prob come in and snipe and then lurk again without people calling him out on it (didn't see any newer posts from him after this)

 

Arnt we all pretty much casing town players and hoping we get a lucky read or find a slip. scum will try to blend but it doesnt always mean they will succeed. 

 

Im starting to lean towards a vote on Des. I know he goes for an aggressive approach but his reads have no strength behind them and he seems much to sporadic. between him and aj he is pinging the most. 

 

Again, 1st paragraph looks to me like damage control about your TMI scumslip.

 

2nd paragraph is pretty scummy as well, laying the foundation for you to move your vote to me later on, even tho I hadn't really posted anything in the meantime for you to suddenly change your mind.

 

Please note the people trying to push onto Kaylee, Peace, or Amega.  These are also suspect.

 

I'm going to come back to this a lot more later, but yeah right here I took it that Wombat found these three to be very townish apparently... and I don't see why. Anyways, keep this in mind.

 

Regardless of the above, we aren't lynching an uncountered Doc claim on D1.

 

GRRRRRRRRR

 

@ this post. I'm not saying I'd wanna lynch AJ today, far from it in fact, but I just hatehatehatehate this kind of formulaic crap play. Just pretty much guarantees that any time a scummer fake claims Doc, they'll at least live another day, when there are PLENTY of times town can and HAS seen through the fake claim and lynched the scummer anyways, regardless of no CC.

 

unvote

 

Vote: No Lynch

 

 

 

Feeling better about Des after reread.  We have 12 players in the game.  Mafia is obviously Megabyte, Hack, and Slash imo.  Hex may be in the game as SK or may not.  If not, no lynch is a good move here.  Even number of players favors scum, so if we NL and scum kills, we've actually forced them to give us info without disadvantaging ourselves much.

 

If Hex is an SK, then at least we'll know it when we make our decision tomorrow.

 

Tbh Don't have a problem with the NL vote, and altho early setup talk is generally antitown, I like the quick conclusions Wombat draws with this post.

 

Scumminess scores 0-10

 

Kaylee - 2
Wwwwombat - 0
Verbal32 - 3
Despo - 5
Cory Amegakure - 1
Hallia - 3
Peace - 4
Puppets - 5
Leelou - 4
Csarmi - 3
AJ - 7
Xthrax - 3

 

But HERE is where I DO have a problem with Womby.

 

So he says he finds anyone going after Kaylee, Amega, or Peace to be noteworthy, indicating strong town reads on all 3, but then here he has Peace as a 4 in scumminess, only one less than me... wtf? Makes zero sense to me.

 

I also find this to be an incredibly lazy post to look like Wombat is looking at big picture or something, when really he doesn't even give strong stances on anyone here, just a number, and no reasoning at all to back those numbers up.

 

I also feel his "7" on Amega is a little trumped up just because AJ was going at him heavily. Def not a good feel about Wombat from this post.

 

well then.. id have to agree im am a feels player.. walls of logic and texted loopholes aint my thing. Im not sure about this doc thing but if he's fake well find out soon enough and we got an assured lynch. Im not going to consider a no lynch though. And since my number one pick is out of commission

 

unvote vote des

 

Awful vote right here. First of all he breadcrumbed the switch to me before AJ's claim, which is pretty scummy, second he seems to not fight AJ's claim very hard, yet still doesn't take that into account in regards to me. The whole time he had been talking about us he was bringing up the possibility of a gambit and distancing, yet doesn't talk about how the Doc claim changes this or anything.

 

Just "since my number one pick is out of commission" he'll switch to his second pick... this is much more likely to be done by scum than town. Town will let their reads develop and evolve as the game goes on, scum are happy to sit back and lynch down their initial reads list to look like they're doing work when they're not.

 

AJ: it wasn't just your threats, it was also overstating how your town. Stood out to me.

Now that I'm back from date night I'll place my vote.

Vote Des

I was undecided on him, but his back off of AJ with basically no reason doesn't seem town behavior to me. He's been asked about it and posted since yet not addressed it.

 

I def don't like this vote as well. Her last like 10 posts before this in regards to me and AJ she kept saying her read of me had changed from scummish to more null... than she switches back all of a sudden because of my unvote only. This is AFTER she even quotes posts of mine that had supposedly made her change her mind about me... yet one unvote is enough to change it back apparently. Lol.

 

Plus it shows she's not concerned with developing reads or pressure on ANYONE else, she has essentially only focused on me and AJ and defending herself.

 

Reading back it looks like you're right Kay, and I'm fine with putting a little pressure on him.  Your retort Dessypoo?

 

Vote Des

 

Blech @ this vote as well. Obligatory bandwagon vote from someone who's been camping on the sidelines and not showing the new and improved Hallia I had come to love.

 

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Some reads before work.  (btw..when stuck on day shift my activity typically sux.  It will pick up this weekend.)

 

Wombat - He hasn't pushed the no lynch angle for quite awhile.   A bit strange that he is picking this game to bring it back up.  Could be a meta hide. AJ pointed out his contradiction on anyone pushing against Kaylee or me.  I'd like to here an answer to that. 

 

Kaylee - Still a scum read from her.

 

Despo - Wait and see with him.  He has really been pushing his meta of thin reasonings in all games lately.  I'll need some vote analysis on him to mix in with his posts to read him.

 

Amega -  A bit of a contradiction.  Really doesn't like how little I've posted but then says he plays completely by gut...which is another way to hide ones alignment.

 

AJ -  Very eager for a DOC...but unlike Wombat, I can see playing that way.  It's basically a get out of jail free card that allows you to go all willy nilly cause you can always claim doc and save your self.  And then protect yourself at night.  I've done it to try and throw the scum team off before.

 

Csarmi - this has become his meta of late.  not really participating.  A man of extremes.  Had some criticism of his style before so he's going to the opposite end of the spectrum.  Maybe he can find a balance somewhere.  Null read at this point.

 

Hallia - Back to take pot shots, sheeping other people, hedging her comments.  Her last post about voting Despooey for pressure is pretty bad. Slight scum read.

 

Verbal - Scummy, just gotta trust me on that.  I've gotten pretty comfortable on my Verbal reads as of late. 

 

 

Thats all the time I have for now before heading to work.

 

So your early read on me this game was that I was def scum, yet here you make me seem much more like null... tbh tho that and your other reads listed here actually give me a town vibe on you. Also good tone in this post.

 

I didn't contradict myself at all.  Just because I say that a certain action is suspect doesn't mean I need to push everyone who does it.  Kaylee and Amega are towntelling all over the place and Peace is always pretty scummy so for now I'm withholding judgment.

 

How are Kaylee and Amega towntelling all over the place to you? I have them as pretty high scum reads atm, and you and I don't normally disagree about something like that THAT much, which obviously makes me wonder about you. Could be omgus bias on my part tho so eh.

 

As far as Peace, you make it seem here and clarify later that Peace is an easy target in games, and I personally don't agree at all. I don't see him mislynched early in games at all. I am getting townvibes from him this game I'll say as well.

 

Anyway, time to put my vote somewhere useful.

 

unvote

Vote: Des

 

 

Not a pressure vote (although I wouldn't announce it if it were).  I still have misgivings about Des and the no lynch clearly isn't happening, so voting Des is the best move right now to keep the game moving in a productive direction.

 

 

I like how you try and spin your vote as being so protown tho after the fact. Def getting some scumvibes from you this game Womby.

 

You're slowing things down to make a point.  That's anti-town.

 

How is it antitown to slow things down? That's really silly dude. Slowing things down leads to more discussion instead of quick lynches, and that pretty much always benefits town. Why are you pushing stuff like this this game?

 

[Andrej]

unvote vote Despo

 

I'm going to bed.

[hazelkrs1]

Reads:

 

1. Kaylee - Scum. She has fallen victim to whyme fryme a lot this game, and has waffled and flip flopped on me and AJ a lot. When this is pointed out she pretty much responds "I haven't flip flopped" then later goes back to show what made her flip flop on something.... yeah. She should def be our lynch today based on scumminess but oh well /shrug
2. Wwwwombat - Nullish leaning scum here. He's very good at looking like strong town so I find myself doubting some of the points I saw against him, but overall I find myself disagreeing with some of the stuff he's saying a bit too much, which is strange since I normally am in agreement with virtually everything he says when he's town.
3. Verbal32 - Town. Looks to me more like #yolotown than #yoloscum Verbal to me. His scum tone early on is more Snidely Whiplashy, whereas town it's more just generally silly and blatantly un-self conscious.
4. Despo - Town
5. Cory Amegakure - Scum. Hasn't handled reads well all game, has only focused on me and AJ instead of looking at others as well, and I think he scumslipped with that thing on Peace.
6. Hallia - Null. Looks like Hallia is back to her old ways unfortunately.
7. Peace - Town based on tone. Plus I think Amega spewed him as town as well. Do not lynch.
8. Puppets - Looks like lazy scum to me. Nudges train on me without really saying much else, has disappeared again.
9. Leelou - Had an early scum read, went to town, now I'm kinda uncertain. Her recent "I dunno what to do guys" post has me worried it's a scummer trying to ditch responsibility for her vote.
10. Csarmi - Town, had something early which made me think so, can't remember now. But he's followed up his stuff fairly well, and pointed out inconsistencies and such in other's posts.
11. AJ - claimed Doc, likely town
12. Xthrax - Null, I honestly skimmed right past his wot's, didn't really have time to read them.

[hazelkrs1]

Top scum candidates: Amega, Kaylee, Puppets, Wombat.

 

Looks like yall are resigned to lynching me. Oh well, does me a favor lol. Try and win this one for me town!

[hazelkrs1]

I was asking if you'll be around for long so we can coordinate our votes. Idk if you'll have to leave for work or whatever shortly which is why I asked. I would rather lynch Kaylee as well but she hasn't claimed and Despo says he's a VT so that's the safer route.

 

Don't really like this reasoning btw- you yourself are the Doc as you say, so Kaylee could essentially only be one other PR potentially- don't you think she would have claimed before she left if this was the case? Instead she just held town hostage by leaving before she could claim even tho deadline would have passed by the time she got back.

 

Kaylee looks like 100% scum to me now in fact for this in addition to everything else. Hope others see what I do before deadline hits. If not I'll self-hammer. Self-voting is allowed here, right?

[hazelkrs1]

Doesn't say self-votes AREN'T allowed hehe.

[csarmi]

Indeed, I don't think a Kaylee lynch is happening with AJ gone to bed (others should be asleep at this time and switching at US morning would be foolhardy).

[Xthrax]

@Des All the painstaking work gone to naught-I hope at least someone has read my wot's instead of skimming through  

 

On another note, I agree with you CS. With AJ's vote Des is at L-1. For me Deadline is gonna happen at 5pm and I may be out so won't be there mostly. I don't think others will be there to switch at this point. SP, Hallia and Verbal, your thoughts guys?

[hazelkrs1]

@Des All the painstaking work gone to naught-I hope at least someone has read my wot's instead of skimming through  

 

On another note, I agree with you CS. With AJ's vote Des is at L-1. For me Deadline is gonna happen at 5pm and I may be out so won't be there mostly. I don't think others will be there to switch at this point. SP, Hallia and Verbal, your thoughts guys?

 

Sorry man, was kind of in a rush, wanted to get out my thoughts before audit in case I got hammered soon. Wanna gimme a TL,DR?

 

Deadline is actually later than I thought. 10 am EST. Might be some peeps that can switch to Kaylee in the morning. I really don't like that she left without claiming, put me in position to be lynched period since people wouldn't want to blindlynch her.

[csarmi]

10AM EST... nah that won't work..

 

Wombat, Leelou and Verbal are east coast but Verbal seems busy burying his vote, Leelou is voting Kaylee already and I have no idea why Wombat's voting you.

[csarmi]

Amega, are you around?

[Leelou]

Sorry, I'm having a really hard time getting into this game today. I'm trying to read what went on today, but my internet keeps lagging and taking 10 minutes to load one page.

 

  

Reads:

 

9. Leelou - Had an early scum read, went to town, now I'm kinda uncertain. Her recent "I dunno what to do guys" post has me worried it's a scummer trying to ditch responsibility for her vote.

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I'm having trouble because my internet isn't working well and trying to read one page yesterday took 5-10 mins at a time. Kinda puts one in a sour mood when trying to play. It seems to be working right now, I still think Kaylee is scummy - why I haven't moved my vote and I have a few things I want to try to quote and respond to if my computer lets me.

[Leelou]

10AM EST... nah that won't work..Wombat, Leelou and Verbal are east coast but Verbal seems busy burying his vote, Leelou is voting Kaylee already and I have no idea why Wombat's voting you.

Cuz wombat is scum.

[Leelou]

I'm feeling salami is more townish now that he's participating.

[Leelou]

Here Kaylee admits to being vague. She started explaining more after it was brought up. 

Leelou: you say I'm being vague. I'm trying to be. I'll be on a computer later so if there's something you, or anyone else, wants me to try and further explain I will. Up to this point I've tried to be clear.

 

 

 

 

Kay what are your thoughts on those voting you?

That they're barking up the wrong tree. Leelou said she was voting me mostly due to me being vague. I asked her where she wanted clarification, she never said. Also hasn't commented since I've multi-quoted.

For the rest I'd have to see why they are voting me.

 

Um no. That's not the main reason why I'm voting you. Nice try to misrepresent one thing I said. Ameg couldn't understand a case on you, yet you were being vague with your reasoning/answers as if you had something to hide. 

 

Here is what I said for reference, since you didn't quote it. 

 

 

No aj ive been considering a vote on you since des started in on you. And to be clear UNVOTE VOTE AJ
 
honestly not to fond of the casing they have on kaylee. i would have asked the same thing.
 
Peace doesnt seem to ever have any in depth reads so i really kinda just disregard what he has to say for the most part. never been a fan of town lurking.

She seems to be very vague in her answers. What are your thoughts on kaylee?

 

The main reason I find you scummy is your inconsistency in your posts. They've been pointed out to you many times. For me it started with your vote on Des and setting up your switch to AJ since they were "using a gambit". You have flip flopped on Des more times than you should ever flip a steak when grilling. One minute he's scum, then townish and now I see it as a self preservation vote. 

 

You also were tied for first and left without giving any sense of a claim and knew you wouldn't be back before deadline. I find this scummy. 

I won't have time until tomorrow. Putting the baby to bed then going to bed myself. Been a long day and I don't feel good.

 

I'll only move my vote if I have to, but at this point I find Kaylee way more scummy than Des. 

[Leelou]

I'm not going to quote every post from Wombat, but they all seem scummy. I find him much better as town and more transparent as scum. The No Lynch thing felt forced and like he wanted to come off as his townie self. I don't see how Kaylee or Amega are towntelling everywhere. Kaylee is being sketchy and something seems off about Amega. 

[csarmi]

Well, I'll go out, have lunch, then come back and hammer if nothing changed.

[csarmi]

unvote vote Despo

[csarmi]

This should be the hammer, if I'm counting right. But make sure to review it.

[csarmi]

 

10AM EST... nah that won't work..Wombat, Leelou and Verbal are east coast but Verbal seems busy burying his vote, Leelou is voting Kaylee already and I have no idea why Wombat's voting you.

Cuz wombat is scum.

 

What about Verbal?