[Basic] Blood Moon Mafia - Game Over.

[hazelkrs1]

Btw I plan on using mucho gifs this game, partially to troll Csarlami.

 

So yeahhhhh...

 

[_CLOUD]

vote Tommy

 

for trying to act "cute" with his first couple posts

Is this a joke vote? If it's not then I have to say that the reasoning behind your vote is incredibly weak.

 

 

Vote Csarmi

 

Salami lerves to play the helpful townie angle when he's scum.

Can you back this up with some kind of evidence? I’m not very familiar with Salami’s scum meta.

 

Dunno.

 

Slight town lean from what he posted so far.

This is an odd thing to say. So you agree with Despo’s assessment of your meta?

 

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

What is your opinion about all the things that have been discussed so far? You come in and only comment on Salami's post to GE about copying posts, and then you warn Hallia to play in a certain way or you will policy lynch her yourself. You aren't analyzing any gameplay so far which is scummy.

 

Town Tommy is verbose and helpful, scum Tommy is verbose combined with reticent at times. You entered the game with a weak opening post and started to pal around, which I haven't seen from you before. Of course it's only 2 posts, you can still turn this sinking ship around!

So you came to this conclusion from two posts which consisted of “I am here” and “Lynch Csarmi, otherwise he won’t show up.”?

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

Why are you pushing people for lie detector statements when we know there is none in this game? It's an open setup.

 

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

I agree! :)

 

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

Why the lie detector-like statement? We know there's none in this game. Awfully defensive there too for a joke.

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 

Fine, proper might not be the right word. Some actual gameplay then. When you actually do play, you've got good instincts, so it's a shame you use most of your mafia time on lurking or unrelated posts.

 

You first call your previous comment towards Hallia a joke, and then you immediately expand where you left off on a more serious note. You are contradicting yourself.

[Tommyrod]

Despot, I wouldn't except some bemused sarcasm to be over your head. I just played a scum game with Golden, so it's worth gauging his reactions.

 

That aside, votes are town's power. Using them to jostle people is both appropriate and good form.

 

I wouldn't say that giving Hallia a free pass ("Moar of this please Hallia, and I won't vote for you the entire game even if you DO end up looking scummy!") and then attacking both her original attacker (MIsh) and someone who actually defended her statement from Mish (myself) is a particularly organic, pro-town move. Nor is it logically consistent. It's easy to interpret your behavior as scum-on-town buddying of a less experienced player. 

If you thought Mish and I were scum buddies, you did have further ammunition to use for that argument, but I'm guessing you're not concerned with being thorough or consistent in your accusations.

[csarmi]

@Cloud: nope I disagree. But I do know that's what Despo believes. More importantly, his posts came off as someone who's trying to start the game, someone who wants to scum hunt.

 

Please do note it was like the second page tho.

 

@Despo:I'll have to do most of my playing from phone. My activity will be reversely proportional to the amount of pics being posted cause my net on phone is 16kbps. You know this too. Do what you will.

[_CLOUD]

It didn't come off as a  joke to me, but if that's what it was I shall take it as such.  Learning to be more vocal

 

 

I think Tommy's vote on you was just a joke, but Des's secondary vote on you struck me as just opportunistic.  Everyone's always all 'Let's lynch Csarmageddon!' all the time

 

 

I'm going to pursue that

 

Vote Des

 

 

These three posts from Hallia give me a town lean on her both because her suspicion towards Despo mirrors mine, and more importantly the tone and feel behind her posts which give me a townie vibe. In retrospect her seemingly pushing for a lie detector statement would be more of a ignorant townie move who hasn't read the JK9 setup, or it was just a way to apply some early game pressure on MIsh. 

 

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

 

How do you feel about Hallia's vote on Despot

 

 

Well she does have a point, he chose to put Csarmi at L-3 on page 1 on the game. I don't see scum Des doing that tho. I don't see a mafia Hallia putting herself out there like that either, but if she is mafia, it would make sense to change up her meta completly,  especially since I just commented on her hiding behind it as mafia very recently. So null tell on her.

 

This post reads very wishy washy to me and in the end you also don't come to any type of conclusion. Hallia has been working on being more vocal in her past games, and I don't see how you can conclude that a scum Despo wouldn't put someone at L-3. What makes you think he wouldn't make such a move?

[csarmi]

Not sure what to think about this L-3 nonsense. Since when is it putting someone at two votes an issue?

[_CLOUD]

Vote Mish

[Tommyrod]

Hey Cloud, what about me? 

[_CLOUD]

Hey Cloud, what about me? 

 

I agree with the reasoning behind your vote on GE, but right now I think Mish is more wolfie. I also don't agree with Despo's case against you and like with GE his opening vote was really bad. I think you have prodded people in the right ways so far, but I'm hessitant to call you town after the last game we played in together :P

[_CLOUD]

If Mish ends up flipping town then I will know where to look at next.

[csarmi]

unvote vote Despo

 

Not gonna buy that he hasn't read the rules.

[csarmi]

If Mish ends up flipping town then I will know where to look at next.

Where?

 

Lining up lynches BTW?

[csarmi]

Oh you mean Tommy.

[_CLOUD]

No I meant GE and Despo. 

[csarmi]

How is Mish's alignment indicative of theirs?

[_CLOUD]

I never said it was, but considering that I have a scum read on all three of them, but Mish has played the scummiest and both GE and Despo are currently voting for her it does tell me where to go next if I by any chance end up being wrong about Mish.

[hazelkrs1]

Didn't click on the link, didn't open the spoiler till just now. Cool beans. Open setup. Kewl.

 

Cloud, you saying that Mish flipping town would incriminate me and Cloud somehow, soon after YOU had just voted her, is just ubermegascumzors. Mish flipping town doesn't make me scum, it makes me wrong. Right now she still looks uberscummy with that "put him to L-3 front page" jargon, but she could be town for all I know.

 

@Tom: Of course it could easily be interpreted that I might be scumbuddying someone. I don't care tho. It was my genuine reaction, it was nice to see her both stand up to Mish pretty fast and also follow what she thought she saw with a vote.

 

@Csarlami: You can go ahead and give us an excuse in advance for why you won't be active this game, be my guest. Right now isn't a good time for you to be appealing to my mercy when it comes to trolling at this time.

 

[csarmi]

@Despo - My point is if you wanna troll me, create a thread to contain your trolling: I even promise to read it and post there. But do keep it out of games it doesn't belong in. Thanks.

[Tommyrod]

So far I am WTL Golden or Despot.

 

I don't know Mish very well, but my interpretation of her play is that she reminds me of... me. I wouldn't lynch me for being me, though I know others that would. (This statement is funny. I am a funny person.)

 

I am willing to admit I could be way off and Mish actually is scum, but at the moment I find Golden and Despot to both be more suspicious in the way they seem to be lynch happy with underdeveloped reasoning or just plain reaching (I still don't know wtf Golden meant by me being cute), and it's a bit convenient that they seem to agree with each other on a case that I think is weak to begin with. As Salami noted, I too find it hard to believe that Despot doesn't know what game mechanics we're using. Hallia not knowing I can stomach because I've seen her be a bit of a disconnected player in Salami's game that just ended.

 

More commentary from all three players (Mish, Golden, Despot) would be helpful.

 

Mish, I would still like to know why you think scum despot wouldn't put the second vote on someone. Seems like a capricious reason to clear someone. That, in fact, is the scummiest thing you've done so far to my mind.

 

Hallia, what do you make of the case against Mish?

 

Despot, is your reasoning that I am chainsaw defending Mish your sole justification for linking Mish and I as scumbuddies? It seems that way.

[hazelkrs1]

I am willing to admit I could be way off and Mish actually is scum, but at the moment I find Golden and Despot to both be more suspicious in the way they seem to be lynch happy with underdeveloped reasoning or just plain reaching (I still don't know wtf Golden meant by me being cute), and it's a bit convenient that they seem to agree with each other on a case that I think is weak to begin with. As Salami noted, I too find it hard to believe that Despot doesn't know what game mechanics we're using. Hallia not knowing I can stomach because I've seen her be a bit of a disconnected player in Salami's game that just ended.

 

Italics: It's relatively early on Day 1. You expect someone to have really strong cases at this point? Without an overt terribad scumslip at the start of the game, EVERY case is gonna be pretty weak to start off. That being said, I also think it's the strongest case that CAN be made at this point. I also think it's very protown to start pushing immediately and pursuing leads, which is why I find both GE as well as Hallia somewhat townish. You don't fall into this category exactly because you've proven your vote isn't for your best lynch, you'll put it somewhere in a placeholder spot on an inactive just to give yourself an excuse to vote hop to mask your meta.

 

Bold: Sorry to break it to you, but it's true. I read the rules but didn't check out the setup, then forgot it was open setup. I too, can derp.

 

 

Despot, is your reasoning that I am chainsaw defending Mish your sole justification for linking Mish and I as scumbuddies? It seems that way.

Actually, no. Her opening post also mentioned you in a friendly manner, and you soft defended her before you chainsaw defended her, and did so rather aggressively, so really it was more like hardcore defense of Mish on your part. That hardcore defense of her, along with with her mentioning you out of very few players in her OP, and I think you got a pretty good link there.

[Tommyrod]

And your assumption is that scum buddying scum early is more likely than scum buddying town? It's easy for me to say "Despot and Hallia are scum-scum because he's being friendly with her and won't vote for her" but it seems more likely to me that you would be scum and she would be town and you're trying to curry her favor.

 

Why you do not assume Mish would be doing the same to me if you really think she's the scummiest player is the crux of why I think your play has been scummy so far -- we disagree too much.

 

You're picking and choosing to apply logic where it suits you. If you think moving votes and pushing players is pro-town, then you should have at least a weak town read on me as well since I am making my intentions to force players to converse very clear.

 

As for my vote being in a safe place... I don't follow. It's on Golden, one of my two scum reads. If you prefer I get more aggressive, I can move it to you. I find your stances difficult to believe, and your "golly gee gosh" or whatever opening for your longer reaching cases post on the last page was over the top.

 

Unvote Golden

 

Vote Despot

[Hallia]

It's early morning in Hallialand, I just got up and reread the thread, but I've gotta walk out the door to go to work, I'll post my thoughts on my lunch break.  However, @Tommy  I wasn't impressed with her response, but Despo's response was a null to me because I've seen him as mafia just go after me, but he would know that, so he could either actually be glad that I'm posting more, or just buddying.  Not sure yet either way.

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Mish

[michellem]

Seriosuly Des, I hate editing your cases, it takes forever!

 

 

Golden, I don't know how your world works, but in mine, a statement with a afterwards, is ment lighthearted and as a joke.

 

And either way, I don't mean critizing anyone's playstyle as a personal attack. Des is the King of Emo, GF hardly ever posts game-related thoughts and when he does it's almost impossible to understand what he's saying; Csarmi is hotheaded and brash at times, I'm agggresive and tend to tunnel. Now these statements say nothing about the persons; it's all about their gamestyle. I don't get offended if anyone critizises my playstyle. I will critizise others playstyle and their actions within a game, but it is never an attack on them as a person. It's all within the game. I hope you can understand that soon and stop this vendetta against me. It's not helpful in any games. It's fine that you have a personal problem with me, but you shouldn't let it bleed into games. There are people playing mafia I can't stand; but I turn that off when a game is on. Because it's not personal; it's a game. And I do hope you can see that soon.

 

My only issue with you is the fact you consistently try to portray me as disliking you. I found your statements to be inconsistent and I vote for things I identify as scumslips early in the game, as there is nothing else to go on. I have no issue with you in RL, as I don't know or interact with you. I do have an issue with the fact that you tend to try and explain to me why I'm playing the game wrong every game we play though. 

 

Tommy, fair enough. 

 

 

You've said straight out before that you dislike me. But whatever. I dislike that you keep trying to paint me as attacking people personally when I work very hard at not doing that, but to always, always keep it game-related. In every game we've been together you've seemed hostile towards me. AFAIK I haven't tried to tell you how to play the game, but I will comment on statements I find unlogical (like the "everyone who plays aggresive has a guilty consciense"-statement from the French Revolution. ) Regardless of whom is making them. Anyhow, this is starting to get unrelevant to this specific game, so if you feel strongly that I've treated you wrong in some way, I offer again that we can talk privatley, after the game.

 

 

Now onto this quote-monstrosity.

 

Goody goody gumdrops we already got some nice juicy tidbits goin! I like it
 

 

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

 
Why the lie detector-like statement? We know there's none in this game. Awfully defensive there too for a joke.

 

GE was right, this was a big ping. I don't think it was awfully defensive at all, and incidentally you REFERENCE that Hallia made a lie-detector type statement, yet DO NOT RESPOND BACK. Do you not see how this is majorly scumzors?
 
And how do we know there isn't a LD in this game btw? Cause it's basic, or did AJ tell us what roles would be in the game?
 

It would be nice if you actually READ my posts before accusing me. I say in my post that we know there is no lie detector. So I didn't have the slightest need to respond back in the same manner. So yes, I thought it was very defensive when she felt the need to state it like that. Also, I don't buy that you didn't read the set-up; you say here that you've seen that AJ told us what roles would be in the game.
 

 

 

How do you feel about Hallia's vote on Despot

 
Well she does have a point, he chose to put Csarmi at L-3 on page 1 on the game. I don't see scum Des doing that tho. I don't see a mafia Hallia putting herself out there like that either, but if she is mafia, it would make sense to change up her meta completly,  especially since I just commented on her hiding behind it as mafia very recently. So null tell on her.

 

And then this response. I was the SECOND VOTE. Yet Mish chooses to phrase it "he chose to put Csarmi at L-3 on page 1 of the game". Blatant attempt to color the situation to make me look bad, just to immediately say I wouldn't do that as scum. I got news for you Mish, scum Despo would have NO problem putting a second vote on someone early in a thread. Just like town Despo wouldn't. Starting trains early is one of the best ways to make sure a game starts with good activity, and both scum and town Despo like playing the "let's start the scumhunt already" card.

 

Also wanna point out that this post is very fence-sittingy in general, yet uses a lot of words to do so. So yeah, overjustification methinks.

 

Well, considering how few players we are and we only need 5 votes for a lynch, I'd expect people to be a tad careful with their votes, yes. I think a scum Des would think of that and apparantly you didn't, so that makes me think you are town.

 

Golden, I don't know how your world works, but in mine, a statement with a afterwards, is meant lighthearted and as a joke.

 

Hmmmm playing the "it was a joke all along" card eh?

 

Well first of all, adding a smiley on the end doesn't automatically mean you were def joking before, it could have been that you were scum and wanted to point out Hallia's lurky playstyle, yet didn't want to make it seem like you were being harsh, so added the smiley really quick at the end to make it seem like yall were besties after all.

 

If that's how you prefer to think of it. Do tell me what I'd get out of pointing out Hallia's lurky playstyle though as mafia. It was a nod to her recent win, and a jokey way of saying I'd be keeping a close eye on her cause I don't want to repeat that loss again now, and that should've been pretty obvious for you who was also in that game.

 

 

Second-

 

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again 

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 

 
Fine, proper might not be the right word. Some actual gameplay then. When you actually do play, you've got good instincts, so it's a shame you use most of your mafia time on lurking or unrelated posts.

 

When Hallia first responded to your poke at her, you didn't point out that it was a joke at all. Plus, you waffle a bit here, and earlier in this post (which I chopped up and had up top), you also paint her as defensive. If you thought she was defensive here, why not point out HERE that it was a joke?

 

I don't buy that it was a joke at all. I think the smiley was added to make you seem all light hearted and fun cause you're scumzilla. And I also think we're takin down your scumbuddy Tommy once you flip mafs.

 

Unvote, Vote Mish.

 

 

Well you already proved yourself wrong on the joke-bit... Again good to see you actually read my posts before accusing me of being scum. And I changed the word proper because when I read it again I realized it didn't have quite the sounding I ment. It still doesn't, but what can you do when the English language doesn't have the word I need.

 

And I think you are skimming my posts and building a case on nothing.

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

What is your opinion about all the things that have been discussed so far? You come in and only comment on Salami's post to GE about copying posts, and then you warn Hallia to play in a certain way or you will policy lynch her yourself. You aren't analyzing any gameplay so far which is scummy.

 

It was my second post, I'd just woken up, it should be pretty clear I didn't have an opinion yet on those things I didn't comment on.

 

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

Why the lie detector-like statement? We know there's none in this game. Awfully defensive there too for a joke.

 

Good morning lovelies.

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 

Fine, proper might not be the right word. Some actual gameplay then. When you actually do play, you've got good instincts, so it's a shame you use most of your mafia time on lurking or unrelated posts.

 

You first call your previous comment towards Hallia a joke, and then you immediately expand where you left off on a more serious note. You are contradicting yourself.

 

See my reply to Des. I realized my sentence didn't read like I meant it too.

 

 

 

 

I'm going to pursue that
 
Vote Des

 
 
These three posts from Hallia give me a town lean on her both because her suspicion towards Despo mirrors mine, and more importantly the tone and feel behind her posts which give me a townie vibe. In retrospect her seemingly pushing for a lie detector statement would be more of a ignorant townie move who hasn't read the JK9 setup, or it was just a way to apply some early game pressure on MIsh. 
 

 

 

Good morning lovelies.
 
Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure
 
I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.
 
Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

 
How do you feel about Hallia's vote on Despot

 

 
Well she does have a point, he chose to put Csarmi at L-3 on page 1 on the game. I don't see scum Des doing that tho. I don't see a mafia Hallia putting herself out there like that either, but if she is mafia, it would make sense to change up her meta completly,  especially since I just commented on her hiding behind it as mafia very recently. So null tell on her.

 

This post reads very wishy washy to me and in the end you also don't come to any type of conclusion. Hallia has been working on being more vocal in her past games, and I don't see how you can conclude that a scum Despo wouldn't put someone at L-3. What makes you think he wouldn't make such a move?

 

Already explained most of this earlier. Noted that you are parroting Des very much right now.

[michellem]

Hallia, very eager to get Day over with and me lynched? I hadn't even come online yet and you put me at L-1?

 

Vote Hallia

[Tommyrod]

Mish, I'm still unclear on why you're clearing Des for what looks like scummy behavior to me. You seem to have ample reasoning to suspect him yet you choose not to. Please explain why, as if I'm a child. I'm genuinely confused.