[Basic] Blood Moon Mafia - Game Over.

[csarmi]

Train analysis :-)

 

#puntimes

[nervositee]

 

 

 

Ok, so our pool is getting smaller.

 

Csarming has been active lurking the most.  Mish bailing makes me suspect.  Most here know my view on players who leave the game that have had pressure on them.

 

Still think this is the weakest argument ever. Fine, if it's a policy-thing you always think then whatever, but it's hardly a scum-tell. I might be biased because I know the real reasons why. But I still find it incredible weak as a scum tell. 

 

Just so you know, it's common to be wary of replacements. Sadly DM has somewhat of a history of certain peeps replacing out as scum when they're receiving pressure, and inactive scum is more likely to ask to get replaced cause they feel like they're letting their team down than inactive town, who doesn't have direct communication with others so doesn't empathize as much.

 

It's not a scumtell necessarily, just something to watch out for. Don't think you should be as concerned with what people thought of Mish before she left- it wasn't you, and altho you have more knowledge of Mish's possible motivations as you are her spouse, we wouldn't know if you were telling the truth anyways. All this is to say there's not much point in trying to defend your slot's actions before you entered the game. Just try to start from here as if the game just started for you, and give your thoughts as they come to try and prove yourself town if you are.

 

Missed, so will briefly answer this. 

My common sense still thinks it's weak, as players should (again, especially in small games like these) feel just as much loyalty to their team no matter if they are scum or town. The fact that we don't have a QT just makes it even more important to do everything not to get played by the mafia-team. But I haven't encountered this myself, so I will take your word for it that is has been a problem here. Sad though. I'm certainly starting afresh here, especially since I've been standing on backup the entire game I don't know any motivation behind my slots previous posts, so that comes naturally ;)

 

Back to re-read. Page 22, starting to loosen up. 

[peacesells]

It's not been a problem lately so much since mostly I have been pointing it out.  People have seemed to stop doing it.  FYI, I had a town read on Mish before she left so if anything her leaving is just a very small tidbit.  Not enough to consider lynching for.

[peacesells]

Well, with Despo saying he lied that makes things more difficult.   But I can't blame him as I have done similar things in the past as town. 

[Tommyrod]

Des

Basically couldn't disagree more 

Your points on people PR hunting are maybe the stupidest thing I've ever heard. As town it's your job to provide cover for the PRs if you think you've found them. I have no idea what you're talking about by saying looking for PRs is scummy. If you think someone is the cop; you hint at being the cop. Stuff like that. I thought Hallia was hinting at JK so I wanted to see if I could confirm it so I could move pressure off her in D2 by saying how I re-read the thread and had a change of heart. I literally do not believe you think finding and protecting PRs is anti-town, and are just trying to argue with me for the fun of it.

 

If Peace is town then his perspective is entirely too cautious

As town, he was a hardheaded scum bashing shark in the game we just played in 

Imagine his perspective in this game if he is scum

 

There's a four-way town battle royale occuring between you, me, Golden, and Hallia 

 

Nobody is making particularly good arguments and everyone is going in the wrong direction

So what does Peace do on D1? Instead of jumping into the fray and trying to stake his claim in the arguments...

He tries to act like the sole voice of reason and votes for Hallia so he isn't on the Golden OR Tom lynches since he knows they'll flip town, parking his vote on Hallia is a lot safer

On D2 he acts like everyone is suspicious except the people who are getting pushed the most, like Des, who he has infinite patience for somehow despite not seeming to think that I myself am scum and therefore lying -- he never voted for me yesterday, after all, and then I hard claimed

 

So he's refusing to pitch in on the major lynches and instead is setting up mislynches for later

 

Meanwhile building town cred by acting like he's above the fray 

 

I'm not buying it, too passive, a case of "knows too much"

 

Vote Peace

[peacesells]

A cautious player who knows too much.  Gotcha.

[peacesells]

Oh..and who also didn't take the easy opportunity to lynch a claimed role.  Tommy, you make so much sense I almost want to vote myself.

[Tommyrod]

A cautious player who knows too much.  Gotcha.

 

 

Oh..and who also didn't take the easy opportunity to lynch a claimed role.  Tommy, you make so much sense I almost want to vote myself.

 

Exactly! You're avoiding getting your hands dirty, which is a particularly not-town way to act. You know that in this setup, 2/7 players are going to clear themselves eventually, so your only possible chance for surviving until the end is if you have a spotless record. Look at how much griping and moaning the confirmed townies have gotten into:

 

Myself, Des, Golden and Hallia have all whined and fussed across this thread.

 

Why aren't you showing any signs of emotion during this game? I'd be wired if I saw this nonsense going on with the claiming-fake-claiming-real-claiming. 

 

You also aren't making any particularly convincing connections between players such as "if Des is mafia, Mish can't be" and so on; you've just been fence-sitting on just about every player in this game. 

 

I feel good about you being scum. You're acting quite differently from your town game where you were far more aggressive, and I think it's because there's no other way for the scumteam to make it to endgame.

 

I'll agree with Des that Cloud is un-clear after all this.

[peacesells]

Are you really calling me scummy cause I'm not emotional like you?  lol...your myopia continues.

[Tommyrod]

Are you really calling me scummy cause I'm not emotional like you?  lol...your myopia continues.

 

It's because you're detached from the game in a way I find very unlike your town game

 

Get @ me

[peacesells]

My town game?  You've played 1 game with me and I wasn't emotional in it either..although those who I was going after got very emotional.

 

I don't think you'll find anyone here that will back you up on me being an emotional player.  Maybe 1 or 2 games out of the 5+ years I've been playing here.

[Tommyrod]

Does that refute my point that you're staying squeaky clean in this game?

[Tommyrod]

Spic and span my friend

Spic and span

[peacesells]

Does that refute my point that you're staying squeaky clean in this game?

 

I can't change your impression of my play, but if playing a clean game is your only reason for voting me...I don't know what to tell you.  I don't think my game has been particularly clean.  I wasn't even here for the first 10 pages or so.

[Alanna]

So... you think it's better for a townie to get emotional rather than to remain calm and rational? Uhhh... I don't even know what to say to that. Golden and Hallia certainly did themselves no favors by getting overly emotional when it came to you. I think I already said somewhere that I, for one, have trouble trusting their judgments when it came to you, even now that they're dead and flipped town, because I can't be sure that they weren't being overly fueled by their 'Tommy is mean' feelings.

 

Sure, the fact that peace has been very logical and solid doesn't mean he should be totally cleared as town, and the fact that a lot of us have townie vibes on him means we should be careful not to rule him out completely. But to use that as a reason for voting him is weaksauce, my friend. Very weak. I think we have much better lynch candidates today.

 

What do you think of Csarmi and Cloud, Tommy? (Like, individually, not them together.)

[Tommyrod]

So... you think it's better for a townie to get emotional rather than to remain calm and rational? Uhhh... I don't even know what to say to that. Golden and Hallia certainly did themselves no favors by getting overly emotional when it came to you. I think I already said somewhere that I, for one, have trouble trusting their judgments when it came to you, even now that they're dead and flipped town, because I can't be sure that they weren't being overly fueled by their 'Tommy is mean' feelings.

 

Sure, the fact that peace has been very logical and solid doesn't mean he should be totally cleared as town, and the fact that a lot of us have townie vibes on him means we should be careful not to rule him out completely. But to use that as a reason for voting him is weaksauce, my friend. Very weak. I think we have much better lynch candidates today.

 

What do you think of Csarmi and Cloud, Tommy? (Like, individually, not them together.)

 

I do think Peace is being less involved in the game than he should be

 

 

I was biased because Salami and Cloud were agreeing with me more often than not when I thought I was correct

 

But since I was wrong I'm a bit suspicious of Cloud for saying "Tommy has been awesome in this game"

 

I will have to re-read everything and I don't think that's gonna happen soon 

[Alanna]

Mmkay. Well I am taking my car to get the oil changed, and plan to reread through the Day 2 stuff while I wait.

[hazelkrs1]

@Tommy: On the PR hunting thing- there is literally no reason toy need to PR huntnas town to cover for them. Why should it matter if you know who the cop is? You can hint at cop as VTbor something regardless of if you've guessed the real cop or not. Bit say a couple of townies PR hunt and then seemingly leave this one guybalone for a while- you don't think that could tip off the scum somewhat? In general I just find it to not be a good habit to get into as town. I still cover for PR's, just don't need to know who they are until they claim.

 

I think your case on Peace is pretty crap btw. His vote on Hallia is mebbe the strangest thing he's done, and Ive seen him do that type of thing in the past, he's not afraid to go against the grain as town. As for him not being emo or being too cautious, I think that's a load of bull. Peace is never really emo. And you've played one game with him yet are using meta? I think his caution at times is actually what has seemed most townie. Could it be him as scum trying to play as protown as possible? Of course. But using that logic is pretty close to the "too town" argument, which I think is really dumb and ineffective.

[hazelkrs1]

Some quick thought from the train.

 

Peace looks very much townie to me.

I doubt we'll see a counterclaim for the roles.

 

Seeing the Mish train on D1, Mish/Cloud can't be scum/scum. Cause, y'know, Cloud wouldn't leaf a pointless lynch on his teammate.

 

That means Alanna is scum which kind of fits for me anyway.

 

From Mish/Cloud I'd say Cloud is more likely to be the scumz but I'd need to revisit the Cloud;Alanna and Mish/Alana interactions for that and I can't do it now.

 

vote Alanna

Honestly, in my eyes, this practically confirms CScumarlami and Cloud as the wolf team. This is one of the weakest attempts at a "scumhunting" post Ive ever seen from CS. He's going through the motions, trying to justify a vote on someone else that looks sketchy, but his reasoning is essentially "I'm not scum so Alanna must be". CS is way too smart to think that kind of reasoning would be worth even typing if he was town, as no one else knows he's town so his "evidence" is completely subjective.

[hazelkrs1]

Wtl Cloud or CSarmi. Sad that Tommy never picked up on the fact that Cloud was buddying him so much- apparently all you have to do as scum is buddy him and he'll never suspect you

[peacesells]

Wtl Cloud or CSarmi. Sad that Tommy never picked up on the fact that Cloud was buddying him so much- apparently all you have to do as scum is buddy him and he'll never suspect you

lol

[Alanna]

I was gonna lol at that but peace beat me to it.

[Tommyrod]

Wtl Cloud or CSarmi. Sad that Tommy never picked up on the fact that Cloud was buddying him so much- apparently all you have to do as scum is buddy him and he'll never suspect you

When I am correct it's fine

 

When I'm wrong it's suspicious

 

So I did note it before you posted that 

 

Continue burglin turds 

[peacesells]

 

Wtl Cloud or CSarmi. Sad that Tommy never picked up on the fact that Cloud was buddying him so much- apparently all you have to do as scum is buddy him and he'll never suspect you

When I am correct it's fine

 

When I'm wrong it's suspicious

 

So I did note it before you posted that 

 

Continue burglin turds 

 

 

How often have you been correct this game? 

[Tommyrod]

Like never which means you're all scum