[Basic] Blood Moon Mafia - Game Over.

[Alanna]

All right, I'm about halfway through my reread. FYI, the posts I make as I reread are sort of stream of consciousness, so sorry if they seem all over the place. When I'm completely done, I will make a more succinct post summarizing my current thoughts.

 

I wanted to take a closer look at csarmi specifically as I reread, because I was sort of getting a bad vibe from him first time through, but it was just sort of a gut feeling. It's bothering me a little that I haven't played with him in a long while and have seriously no memory of what he was like when I used to play with him. Anyway, so -

 

Csarmi pops in a few times in the first third of the game or so to ask others what they think about specific people, but doesn't give reads himself at all - he says once or twice that he will, but doesn't. Later, when prompted again by csarmi, he appears to give fuller reads - in that he makes a lot of posts - but they don't necessarily say all that much. He makes a post with a list of everyone and his take on them, and they're almost all townish. He makes a couple of points against GE - which Tommy positively pounces on. It stood out to me because, even though Tommy prods people a lot for opinions and reads, he often doesn't respond to them once the person he was asking answers. But as soon csarmi replies here, he's like 'Yes! Exactly!'

 

Actually, here was his actual response:

 

 

Salami, that's the kind of analysis I was waiting for. Golden couldn't have tried harder to make himself look scummy in our most recent exchange. I agree between him and Despot one of them should be scum. I'm guessing it's Golden -- almost everything he's done in his interactions with me has been ridiculous. Remember when he said I was being cute? Then he has me as lock scum with Mish as if a townie can't defend another townie? Tells me I'm scum pretending to be town leader to move people away from Mish when I'm just pointing out scummy behavior Hallia has done and he REFUSES to acknowledge any of it and acts like I'm an idiot?

It's all wayyyyyy too much. I thought I was going crazy when nobody else would comment on it.

 

See to me, when you take into account that he doesn't respond to a lot of other answers, I can't help but read this as "That's the kind of analysis I was waiting for - someone to back me up."

 

What does it mean? Not entirely sure, but it's a little weird. Could just be Tommy glad that someone is backing up his suspicion on GE. Could also be teamwork from these two as scum buddies. Could be scum Tommy buddying to csarmi. It definitely pinges.

 

This was in the midst of the Hallia-Tommy-GE thing btw (which I briefly inserted myself into as well). When Tommy was asking Hallia stuff and she said she was at work and GE went off on him.

 

In general, though, now that I feel I understand Tommy a little better, I'm finding that a lot of what he's said makes more sense to me on a read-through. I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but I could see where he's coming from in a lot of it, even as a townie. One of the first things I've just gotten to that did bother me was when he FOS'd GE for asking him to ask him questions - when he had asked earlier that GE do just that. GE saying 'Ask me a question now' would have seemed scummy if Tommy hadn't already essentially set up a "meeting" with GE to ask him questions (whenever GE would be available). 

 

Another thing I noticed about csarmi was that in the first half of the game, when there was some heat on Mish, he would sort of support it, but without fully committing to it. This post, for example:

 

 

 

Mish's stance is strange. She FOS's Hally, then her vote on Hally once she's at L-1 sounds very OMGUS'y which shouldn't even happen cause you can't OMGUS someone who you read as scum already.

So it makes me wonder what Mish been doing with her vote up to that point. I dunno. She is being consistent btw, I give her that - she's already very wary of "a few votes being enough to lynch anyone" right from the start. This is something I can buy from her btw. I knw she's usually way to overcautious about deadlines and triggers and all that sort of stuff... to the point of it being ridiculous and annoying (to me, at least).          

 

This is about halfway through Day 1. I made note of him making similar comments much earlier on, but didn't note where - if anyone would like me to go back and try to find those earlier comments, just let me know. Or you can just take my word for :D

 

I'm also trying to see the peace as scum angle, but he's just so damn reasonable all the time. Makes me like him. He came in like halfway through Day 1 and made the most succinct, sensible post of the entire game.

[Tommyrod]

 

Dude..like I've previously posted.  I'm leaning towards believing you over Despo..but not by much. 

 

That being said I don't understand your panic here.

 

Now, THIS IS GETTING BORING. 

 

I'm getting bored. And I would rather avoid forcing the real JK to claim if possible. I think we're all intelligent enough to solve this situation without stooping to that. Nobody has CC'd me. I am now confirmed town. I would not lie about who the JK jailed last night as town. Ergo: Despot is mafia!

 

 

 

I'll leave this here again because it's still true 

 

Have fun reading though, probably good practice for understanding me if we play again 

[hazelkrs1]

Calm down Tommy, I Jailed you last night. Was hoping you'd notice the " " smiley and recognize it as my "poker face", a hint to you that I was bluffing.

 

Wanted to test your reaction to make sure you didn't guess that I had Jailed you, and to see how others reacted, if there were any quick bandwagon votes or something, and alternatively see if peeps sat on the sideline to let two townies fight eachother. Will be back in a mo.

 

Unvote.

[Alanna]

So Despo them comes in going hard after Tommy, and majorly defending Hallia. I think everyone needs to give Hallia a little more credit, fyi. She was trying to be more active this game, and it seems like everytime someone came at her, GE or Despot would leap to her defense. In GE's case, I don't know what to say about it except that he got carried away. In Despot's case, I'm tempted to call it buddying. He says he's trying to be more supportive of her, which I buy, but I feel like he took it too far - he practically seemed to assume she was town. Which seems off for Despo.

 

On an entirely different note, Despo notes that his read of Mish and Tom as scum buddies changed to Tom as scum buddying town Mish. If Tommy is scum, that's what I think, too. I wasn't feeling Mish as scum so much the first time through, and I feel even more strongly about that now. I will admit it's mostly a gut feeling, but my gut feelings often lead me true. I said early on she felt like 'Mish being Mish' and I still think that. 

 

This was a little weird:

 

 

It seemed more than odd to me that Tom first voted me, then had a post where he asked me a few questions and backtracked on his scum read of me, just to pretty much go after low-hanging fruit in Hallia after that. Town Tommy wouldn't care enough to go after someone like Hallia at that point I believe, he'd want to get more reads on the vocal players first. After a few phases, THEN I could see him going after someone he thought wasn't contributing much at all.

 

His tunneling on Hallia doesn't feel right to me. Normally I see town Tom vote hopping a lot, pursuing multiple places for potential scummies to be hiding, he's downright frenetic as a scumhunter. Since going after Hallia however, he has pretty much only gone back and forth with GE a bit, and asked multiple people to look at Hallia.

 

Possibly I'm misunderstanding this, but I read it as 'Town Tommy would stick to going after me.' and then he says 'I see town Tommy vote hopping a lot.' (Which he was doing a lot earlier in the game, and I'm pretty sure Despo didn't like him for it - or maybe I'm thinking of Golden, I could be wrong. I realize I'm simplifying the first point a bit - Despo thinks Tommy would stick to going after vocal players first. It still seems to contradict his next point about Tommy vote-hopping.

 

FYI, earlier in the game during my reread, I came across a lot of points like this from Despo - points that didn't quite add up to me, and where he seems to sometimes almost contradict himself. To me, it looks like trying to make as many points as possible against a person to paint them as scum. That's why I'm getting more of a scum vibe from Despo now.

 

Also, to comment on Tommy's case against Hallia, which seems to be why some people went after him - I really see where he's coming from, especially if he's not familiar with how Hallia usually plays. To simplify (and someone correct me if I'm misinterpreting), he seemed to feel a lot of her posts didn't make sense and/or didn't add up, and honestly, he's right. Knowing how Hallia played in our last game and knowing she was being mentored by Leelou, who I figure would encourage her to be more active, this made sense to me, but Tommy didn't know those things. And at the end there, she really seemed to be very against him because she didn't like him and his questioning her, even though she said at one point that that wasn't why she was voting him. I could see why that would look suspicious, again, if you're not familiar with Hallia.

 

I guess my point here is, a lot of what makes Tommy look bad right now is GE and Hallia flipping town. But I really think they both tripped themselves up a bit by getting too emotional and riled up. I didn't like Tommy's style either, but when I realized I was acting too emotional and letting it influence me against him, I took nearly an entire 24 hours off from the game to cool down so I could look at him more objectively. Neither of them did this, and I think maybe it influenced them too much against him.

 

I still haven't ruled him out as scum by far, but I just wanted to put those thoughts out there. Still rereading. Sorry it's taking so long; I'm trying to be thorough and really get my thoughts together on each player. 

[Alanna]

Ninja'd. Well, I will get to these tracker/JC claims in a bit, I want to keep going through the game in order.

[Tommyrod]

Calm down Tommy, I Jailed you last night. Was hoping you'd notice the " " smiley and recognize it as my "poker face", a hint to you that I was bluffing.

 

Wanted to test your reaction to make sure you didn't guess that I had Jailed you, and to see how others reacted, if there were any quick bandwagon votes or something, and alternatively see if peeps sat on the sideline to let two townies fight eachother. Will be back in a mo.

 

Unvote.

 

I don't even know if I can believe you anymore!

[Tommyrod]

Because you'd still do this if you were scum to get the JK to CC you

I'll wait until tomorrow to sort this out 

 

Unvote Despot

[hazelkrs1]

 

Calm down Tommy, I Jailed you last night. Was hoping you'd notice the " " smiley and recognize it as my "poker face", a hint to you that I was bluffing.

 

Wanted to test your reaction to make sure you didn't guess that I had Jailed you, and to see how others reacted, if there were any quick bandwagon votes or something, and alternatively see if peeps sat on the sideline to let two townies fight eachother. Will be back in a mo.

 

Unvote.

 

I don't even know if I can believe you anymore!

 

 

 

Incidentally, altho I have a lot of respect for how you play mafia in general, I'm not sure why you considered the possibility of a double reverse gambit, yet kept talking so much about it. That was a tad annoying. Normally if I think I see a town gambit I keep it to myself.

[Tommyrod]

Like Allana said above, a lot of the points you made to paint me as scum were contradictory and felt completely forced

I still feel that way, so if you can clear yourself through logic, have at it, but the arguments in this game have been really terrible from all sides

[Tommyrod]

And I'm including myself in that, but I'm really just shaking my head over this entire game regardless of your alignment

GE and Hallia both really confused me to no end

 

And I don't see how both you and GE, as town, hard defended Hallia like that

[Tommyrod]

I still think that going strictly by thread play you're a wolf

 

Let's see what other people say since they know the meta around here more than me

[Tommyrod]

Basically, eat my turds Des

 

Gobble them up

[Alanna]

Okay, so here's where Tommy stops making sense to me. It begins at post 344 and includes several subsequent posts; I'm not gonna quote it all. Golden gives a list of his reads. Tommy finds several of them weird because Golden doesn't automatically clear people who side with him (like Cloud, who GE had a scummish read for), and doesn't condemn people who FOS'd him (like peace and csarmi, who he had null tells on). First of all, I agree with GE - who calls him on it - when he says that this makes absolutely no sense, to clear people who support you/side with you, and to FOS people who disagree with you. Once GE makes this same point, Tommy comes back and says all GE has been doing is clear people who agree with him (Despo and Hally). This just made me lol, because whether GE was doing that or not (and I don't think he was), I think this is a very clear representation of what Tommy had been doing. Or, at the very least, he'd been acknowledging people who agreed with him - sometimes to the point of buddying - and flat out ignoring anyone who didn't agree with him or who made points unrelated to his own cases.

 

Yeah, I don't know, it's all pretty weird and makes no sense. It's the first time it seems like Tommy is stretching to paint GE as scummy. And in fact, I can't really think of another explanation for it.

 

(BTW, I'm sorry I'm commenting on all this old stuff while current play is going on, but it's helpful for me to get my thoughts sorted, and maybe it's helpful for others to see, I don't know.)

[hazelkrs1]

Uhm... okay.... anyways.

 

Gonna go back over the last bunch of pages in a bit to see what I missed. My best guess is scum is lingering on the sidelines during part of this affair, but I also wanna follow up on those that seemed sketchy to me before.

[Andrej]

Page.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 2.5

 

Despo (1) - Cloud

Csarmi (1) - Peace

 

Not Voting: Vos, Csarmi, Alanna, Despo, Tommy

 

4 to lynch.

[Tommyrod]

Yeah Allana I tunnel it's a problem

 

Golden and Des apparently have the same problem

 

And I was hoping to draw more scum heat onto me by acting dumber than usual

 

When I got more logical in my Hallia/Golden arguments that's when I thought I was actually correct

 

If nobody CC's Des in the next day then we just had a big pile of hot town on town action in this game

 

Meaning scum would in the background entirely

 

Not sure why nobody but Cloud joined the Des lynch if he's town though

 

Sleep now.

[Alanna]

Cloud. Hmm. I'm pretty sure I played at least a few games with him back before I quit mafia, but I have absolutely no recollection of how he plays, and while I don't want to rely too much on meta, it's bothering me a little. He mostly seems to go in for Mish. At the start of the game, before he disappeared, he posted thoughts/questions to most of the players, but his emphasis was at Mish. Same for when he returns to the game later, about 2/3 of the way in. I'm not sure what to make of it - I don't see Mish as scummy really (I wouldn't rule it out, but I'm leaning town on her/vos). Doesn't mean Cloud is scum though; just means we disagree. He then starts looking at peace, and again, I don't see it - he finds peace wishy-washy, I don't. But again - could just be we disagree.

 

Oh btw, this, from Cloud - I'm not sure peace ever replied:

 

 

And lastly you call Alanna’s post where she asked what the point was of pretending to be familiar with the setup a scum move. So you didn’t have a sure town read on her after all? I’m confused with your sudden 180 of her within the same post

 

You were referring to this:

 

 

Alanna, on 22 Jan 2014 - 2:17 PM, said:

Here's a question - from a scum POV, what would be the point of pretending to not be familiar with the game setup? So Despo did that just to further his case on Mish? Super sloppy move, since it's a given others will immediately jump on him for making this mistake (as, you know, several people have). I just don't buy it.

Classic town-slip type move that scum would make. There is a great reason for doing it. Playing dumb works.

 

He wasn't calling what I said a scum move, he was responding to my question. At least, that's how I took it. He was saying what Despo was doing could have been a scum move.

 

Then Mish makes this point about Cloud, since he came to the conclusion GE was scum and voted him:

 

 

 

Unless you think Golden and I are doing the most awesome distancing move in mafia history, I really don't see how you think we both can be mafia. Slight FoS on you for that. To me it smells of a convenient reason to get your vote onto one of the biggest trains, and still have a reason to go after me tomorrow.

 

Very good point, I feel. He goes on to say he forgot how hard GE went after Mish earlier on, which is possible, but I don't know.

 

Those are my last thoughts on posts from Day 1. I really hate to stop here, because I hate giving reads without fully taking the most recent play into account (I know Cloud changed his mind about peace, for instance), but it's super late and I should have gone to bed ages ago. So, current thoughts:

 

Cloud - null-ish, with a possible scum lean

Csarmi - slight scum lean

peace - pretty strong town feeling

Mish/vos - townish

 

Tommy and Despo - they both come off scummish, at various points of the game, and without taking a harder look at their claims in the past few pages, I don't feel I can give anything certain. With my scum-ish reads being on csarmi and Cloud, that would more indicate Tommy as possible scum. But Despo's claim, and his apparent trap for Tommy, smells fishy to me. More on them in the morning. They could both be town. Maybe they could both be scum lol? Is it possible? Biggest gambit ever? That would be kind of cool, not gonna lie. Super unlikely tho.

[Alanna]

Good night all, should be back in about 8-12 hours.

[hazelkrs1]

Alrighty then

 

Okay so I know it's counterproductive to even keep pushing Tom as scum without a CC at this point, better to just accept his claim till it's disproven... but I just can't help but notice moar and moar pings from him almost everytime I read through the thread! And because my OCD won't allow me to NOT say what things bothered me, you're going to just have to skim over them or something if you're tired of our argument, or if you think it's counterproductive as well.

 

Tell you what tho. I'm not pushing Tommy's lynch today anymore, that stuff is purely for argument's sake and because I can't NOT post my thoughts on the matter, but I'll spoiler all the Tommy stuff I got.

 

 

 

I have no useful results to give from last night; I tracked Hallia. 

 

Now Tommy said he said "I have no useful results" to keep himself open to revealing or something, I guess cause apparently it was a good idea to hold back that he'd been Jailed...

 

However something I'm still worried about is that Tommy said this pretty soon after day broke and Hallia was revealed to be the NK... if anything that makes it look more like Tommy specifically said "I have no useful results to give from last night" because he was saying he tracked the person that ended up being the NK.

 

 

^ Why not Despo? It would have made more sense...

 

Because the mafia know he is my top suspect, meaning it's unlikely they would have him carry out the kill; and if Hallia was the JK (as she was softly implying last night) and she targeted someone who didn't die and someone else died, I could clear her and narrow the pool down.

 

Don't really like that you were apparently rolehunting somewhat by thinking she could be the JK- as it could have obv been you as scum rolehunting the PR's.

 

 

And since Tommy has claimed to track Hallia last night.  The JK should not follow my plan.  We need to wait at least 1 more day before a full reveal.

I don't think the JK should reveal unless under significant pressure, which shouldn't happen anytime soon. After today there will only be one scum left.

 

Quoted for irony

 

 

 

Anyway, I've put scum in a delightfully difficult position:

If we lynch down my list, they're dead by D3. One of Despot or Hallia will apparently counter-claim me in the next day or two, because there's no available avenue left for them to win the game, particularly with a jailkeeper still safe somewhere. 

 

The less WIFOM gullible players like Cloud, Salami and Peace should be enough to lock this game down.

You're welcome.

It won't be me, because I'm not a tracker. O.o BABABABUMMMMM

 

This is the post that made me think Hallia could be the JK. She says she won't be claiming tracker, but the BABABABUMMMM part hints at her having a power role that she can reveal if needed. To my mind this explained why she was so cocky and doing a pretty bad job of navigating the thread and trusted people unequivocally if they buddied her. This post could also be why she was killed, scum interpreted it the same way, since all her death does otherwise is prevent her mislynch, though it's also probably intended to make me look bad.

 

Same thing as above- the fact that you were trying to read into her post so much and thought she could be the JK makes me worry about you- I dunno tho cause it might be diff in playstyles. I myself don't like PR hunting at all pretty much as town, because the more people that figure that kind of thing out, the greater the chance scum will pick up on it too and kill em

 

In which case I apologize to Golden for defending Mish, but I just couldn't believe he would argue with me using the lame fallacious tactics he did. (No offense.)

 

The tactics he used against you weren't any lamer or more fallacious than the tactics you used against him, you pretty much admitted as much. So why say something like this?

 

Actually, if it was Mish, I doubt Despot would leave his vote on her when she was at L-1. Hmmm...

 

Could it be Peace? I'll have to look back, but it seems less likely. 

 

It's just kind of hard for me to believe you'd tunnel this much as town, and just automatically assume me to be scum without any credible proof to say so. You literally spend like 3-4 pages in a row trying to deduce who my "partner" would be cause you automatically think I'm scum. This is all before I ever lied about Jailing you as well.

 

 

Don't want to lynch him blindly in case he is a CC to you or the JK.  I think that should be pretty obvious.

 
You don't think he would have claimed already if he had an out like that?

 

 

 

Lol just finished catching up.

 

For the real Tracker out there- don't bother CC'ing. Tommy is OBVISCUM and will surely die for it. Waiting to claim till hours before the deadline when it was fairly obvious Tom had a good chance of getting lynched for a WHILE is extremely antitown, and Tom has been dropping even MOAR scumtells lately.

 

Anddd time to go back and fashion my wot together.

 

 

In Despot's own words, Peace. Unless you think he's a big hypocrite?

 

See stuff like this just makes me shake my head in sadness. Just don't see why you do stuff like this, even AFTER I explained my sleep schedule.

 

I hadn't even checked in at day phase yet dolt. Claiming at night is almost always a terrible idea. So tell me Tommy, when should I have claimed exactly? When I was driving 2 hours to Georgia to buy a car? During the test drive? Kinda hard to claim when you haven't even checked into the thread yet that day.

 

Mebbe it's just that you aren't used to playing with people on diff time schedules, but it strikes me that whole "Frozen" thing and fos'ing others for not responding EXACTLY when you think they should is just a disastrously ineffective tactic to use, or at least to abuse like you do. You should prob back off of this kind of tactic on DM at least, where there are people playing from all over the world.

 

I still think that going strictly by thread play you're a wolf

Let's see what other people say since they know the meta around here more than me

 

 

Going off thread play alone I'd say you and Cloud were the scum team. More on Cloud later, but yeah dude your top three scum reads most of the game- GE, Hallia, and myself, are ALL TOWN. And you've used some unbelievably bad moves to try and push your reads as well, like fos'ing Hallia for not saying more when she said she was busy, fos'ing GE for saying he was ready for questions when you told him yall should answer each other questions, or trying to say I'm frozen or get me speedlynched while I'm sleeping. And that's just the quick stuff I can mention, there's a whole lot more.

 

If you really are town, you've not been on top of your game this game, face it.

 

 

Yeah..Csarmi is my number one at this point. 

 

I have no issue with voting Despo either...but I'm not putting him at L-1 before he comes on tonight.

 

VOTE CSARMI

 

 

Ok, Tommy and Despo can stop going back and forth.  Someone should be counter claiming now to verify the correct scum.

 

 

And if you are town, there is no harm in waiting things out.  Why the rush to lynch?  Even if we have a scum member in the bag...extending the day is never bad.

 

Posts like these ^^^

 

give me a super strong town read on Peace. Well said Peace.

 

 

Anyway I want to see what Vos has to say before we continue down this path.

 

Ugh, I AM doing the re-read, but I just had to call the cops because I got cornered by a speeded-up guy who was going to "bash my head in", so I won't promise my full attention to the game in the next hours 

 

Oh, I love this city 

 

 

 

@Peace - I don't think your JK idea makes much sense.

@Tom - Yup, I caught Hally's JK hint too. That'd be my guess for why she was killed. Also I believe your tracker claim.

 

So looks like Cscumarlami was PRhunting as well. Hrmmm....

 

 

 

Which is just distancing from Despot on Peace's part.

That combined with Peace not believing my claim, suggesting JK claims, and calling basically everyone scummy because mafia has no choice...

I'm officially calling Despot/Peace scum team.

 

Then you are ignoring a few active lurkers in this game. 

 

 

Who?

It's not MIsh/Vos, as he went after her hard.

It's probably not Cloud, as he's been making sense and was happy to vote for Despot today.

So if you think it's Salami as your vote suggests, you should make a case for that. 

 

This is absolutely horrendous reasoning to try and clear Cloud. Don't think he's been making sense, and more importantly he could have just been scum distancing from me (in the scenario you described where I was scum).

 

Des, with your claim, I think Mish is very likely to be mafia. 

Who would be her partner? Likely someone who didn't get on her lynch and someone who didn't hammer. That means Cloud is removed from the list. 

So: Peace, Salami, Allana. 

Which one fits best? 

 

Agh. Not only do you use faulty reasoning yet again to try and clear Cloud, you go back to assuming someone to be scum and then trying to figure out other scum from there... which is obviously not very wise as your other scum reads are entirely reliant on the first one. If Mish flipped town, you'd have jack shit to show for pretty much all the work you've been doing in thread... do you normally scumhunt like this? Cause this just isn't what I'm used to seeing from you.

 

(left this out of the spoiler since it pertains a bit to my Cloud stuff which is coming)

 

 

Ok, so our pool is getting smaller.

 

Csarming has been active lurking the most.  Mish bailing makes me suspect.  Most here know my view on players who leave the game that have had pressure on them.

 

Still think this is the weakest argument ever. Fine, if it's a policy-thing you always think then whatever, but it's hardly a scum-tell. I might be biased because I know the real reasons why. But I still find it incredible weak as a scum tell. 

 

Just so you know, it's common to be wary of replacements. Sadly DM has somewhat of a history of certain peeps replacing out as scum when they're receiving pressure, and inactive scum is more likely to ask to get replaced cause they feel like they're letting their team down than inactive town, who doesn't have direct communication with others so doesn't empathize as much.

 

It's not a scumtell necessarily, just something to watch out for. Don't think you should be as concerned with what people thought of Mish before she left- it wasn't you, and altho you have more knowledge of Mish's possible motivations as you are her spouse, we wouldn't know if you were telling the truth anyways. All this is to say there's not much point in trying to defend your slot's actions before you entered the game. Just try to start from here as if the game just started for you, and give your thoughts as they come to try and prove yourself town if you are.

[hazelkrs1]

Alright so all that being said, I actually think Peace's general idea of limiting the lynch pool by clearing town is actually a pretty good one. There's 7 alive today, and two scum. Take me and Tommy out of the equation right now since there hasn't been a CC, and that makes it 5 to choose from. Here's my thoughts on the remaining players of that group:

 

Peace: Super town read on him atm. Preached caution about speedlynching me, very protown move to make. His reads seem organic, and in general he looks like he always tries to push forward whatever is in town's best interests. If he's scum I'll doff my hat to him afterwards for playing the part so convincingly.

 

CSarmi: Not a whole lot to go on. Highly unusual to see him this inactive in the scumhunt. If anything he normally semi-dominates the talk on thread. His excuse for this is getting speedlynched in another game recently, eh he could be disillusioned. Seen him get pretty pissed off at stuff in other games too tho and bounce back. Definite possibility of scum here.

 

Cloud: covering him in next post. Mega scum read on him tho, and I'm generally good at picking him out as scum.

 

Alanna: possibly used a smokescreen to excuse inactivity at the start of the game, not good. She is making an effort to contribute more lately and her reads seem somewhat organic so there's that- however one thing that stood out to me is in her recent reread posts, she keeps fence-sitting on both me and Tommy, going back and forth with saying one of us seems scummier, than the other. Could be scum trying to promote town on town violence.

 

Mish/Vos: slight town read, obv all from Mish pretty much. At first thought Mish to be scum, but judging her reaction to pressure, I started to get a town read on her. Also think that when she replaced out, she was no longer receiving near the same type of attention she was initially, so I don't think its as likely that she quit out as scum because of that.

 

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Out of that group I think Cloud and CSarmi are the best candidates for the wolf team. Both have been strangely less active than they normally are, and if this has mostly been a clustereff of town violence, scum would likely be camping on the sidelines and that does describe both of their play this game

 

Little wary of Alanna still, bit she is posting now so it is more possible to try and get a read on her. Will need to see more from Vos to confirm my feelings about his slot, and I think Peace is def town.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay some added evidence on Cloud- gonna try and make this quick

 

1. Peace
2. Tommy
5. Csarmi
6. Cloud
7. Alanna
8. Mish/Nervositee
13. Despo

 

Barring no CC on Tommy this game can be wrapped up pretty easy.  If there is a CC, this plan is not good and we need that person to step up.

 

We've had the benefit of only Town players being killed.  That means the suspect pool gets real small in a hurry. 

 

If JK also claims. That will give us 2 confirmed.  Pool goes from 7 to 5.

 

If tommy gives us who he tracked and if the JK gives us who they jailed...there is a possibility of clearing 1 or 2 more players.  Taking the pool...possible down to 3 players, though I think the best we can get is down to 4.

 

 

Yeah the setup of this game seems to heavily favor the town.

 

Cloud's response came right after Peace's- if anything it looks like this could have been scum Cloud kinda half-whining about the setup cause he felt his team was outmatched

 

 

Despot's partner pretty much has to be one of Mish or Allana, if it's anyone else they've done well to stay low on the suspicion ladder. 

 

I was thinking the same thing. Your explanation why you targeted Hallia also makes sense, even though it's filled with WIFOM. I guess it was the best lead you had.

 

Cloud follows onto Tommy's reasoning A LOT this game, and followed his vote onto me today with some cheerleading crap and hasn't really had much to offer gameplay wise this whole phase, despite keeping his vote parked on me.

 

Cloud doesn't just follow Tommy's reasoning a lot btw, he also straight up buddies him with a few maneuvers lately.

 

 

Actually, if it was Mish, I doubt Despot would leave his vote on her when she was at L-1. Hmmm...
 
Could it be Peace? I'll have to look back, but it seems less likely.

 
Despo did vote for Mish twice, but he was also quick with his unvotes and in both instances never explained what made him change his mind about her.

 

Tries to keep suspicion alive on Mish and me as a scum combo. Incidentally, I did chang my mind a couple of times I also left her at L-1 for quite a while. If anyone still cares I can go back and show what made me change my mind in each instance.

 

 

 

Anyway I want to see what Vos has to say before we continue down this path.

 

Ugh, I AM doing the re-read, but I just had to call the cops because I got cornered by a speeded-up guy who was going to "bash my head in", so I won't promise my full attention to the game in the next hours  

 

Oh, I love this city  

 

 

Good luck :/

 

Btw I got a new freaking car today. Freaking rocks socks off anyone who comes near it.

 

So you could use it as a leaf blower :D

 

Peace seems unwilling to clear anyone; I'd start there?

 

Peace is town, silly.

 

 

Everyone: Tom hasn't been cc'd by anyone so he is the real Tracker! Despo is lying!

 

Mostly fluff, followed by some of Cloud's only gameplay this phase. Logic is terribad here, he clears Tommy as town because he hasn't been CC'ed, but says I'm scum even tho I haven't been CC'ed either. Plus, doesn't open himself up to the possibility of a town gambit or anything like that here, just pretty much buddies Tom some moar.

 

Vos is Despo's teammate. I'm calling it now. He has yet to claim or deny to have any PR but he has been reading the thread. Vos is FROZEN!

 

Copies Tommy's "FROZEN" thing, moar buddying

 

 

And copies Tommy's style of posting a lot of gifs (there was another sub-zero one I didn't fetch). Never really seen Cloud post that many gifs.

 

He's trying to be Tommy's Top Tier Buddy. Day 1 he sideline sniped a lot and wasn't as active as he normally is, Day 2 he sideline sniped a bit and didn't really add much at all to the convo yet kept his vote on a claimed PR who hasn't been CC'ed yet either. And sideline sniping is what scum would most likely be doing if there is a bunch of town on town violence going on, so yeahhhhh Cloud looks like definite scum to me.

 

Vote Cloud

 

[hazelkrs1]

Off for 3 days now btw, will be somewhat less active

[nervositee]

Good morning. Back to the re-read. 

 

Des: I'm honestly not sure about anything yet, but it was helpful to see Cloud's posts lined up. Reading through I had him for much less active. That is a ping in itself, but alone one that leaves alot of other options. But even though I haven't pegged everyones meta yet, this is not normal Cloud-standard, and smells fishy. I also got very suprised that he would come out and blatantly pegg me for a scum because I was (and said out loud) re-reading, when just being replaced in. Seeing the "red lines" in his gameplay does ping alot. Not enough for me to vote yet, as I want to finnish my re-read (obviously) but yeah - you make a lot of sense there sir. 

 

[csarmi]

Some quick thought from the train.

 

Peace looks very much townie to me.

I doubt we'll see a counterclaim for the roles.

 

Seeing the Mish train on D1, Mish/Cloud can't be scum/scum. Cause, y'know, Cloud wouldn't leaf a pointless lynch on his teammate.

 

That means Alanna is scum which kind of fits for me anyway.

 

From Mish/Cloud I'd say Cloud is more likely to be the scumz but I'd need to revisit the Cloud;Alanna and Mish/Alana interactions for that and I can't do it now.

 

vote Alanna