[Basic] Wreck-It Ralph Mafia Game Over Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

It takes 3 to lynch, AJ. Is your argument here that you're town because nobody else has jumped the gun and voted me?

 

Hell, it makes it even MORE likely you're scum, as only your scum mate is waiting for the hammer, while the others are playing like proper townies. You were the only one not doing that, lol.

 

@Peace/Nikon: is there anything else I can add or answer on this? Are they as transparent to you as they are to me?

[Andrej]

Basically all that it ensures is that either one of us is scum. If we were both Town, you'd be hammered by now for my vote so that is eliminated. I intentionally did vote you just to test this theory, rash as a decision that may be. I know that I am Town and am confident in my reads with Peace and Nikon. You can argue the 'good townie' etiquette but it starts to become a little obsessive when you continue to call me scum and hold off your vote instead. Are you just waiting for Peace or Nikon to vote first so you can Nerv can hammer away?

[Verbal32]

So now it was just a test? Riiiiiiiight.

[Verbal32]

I'm not surprised at the bus on Nerv here - you really don't have a choice after I linked you.

 

Told ya you'd be the most informative lynch! I just didn't expect the bad opening vote and now the backtrack "it was a test gaiz!" If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that one in mafia, hehe.

[Verbal32]

As for why I'm not voting yet - that would be because I'm a good townie. Peace asked for my reads - I posted them and am not jumping the gun until he's come back, read, and responded.

 

That's how you treat your town reads, btw. Perhaps you should have tried it. ;-)

[Andrej]

Lol not a test at all. I stated that you were the way to go today, but it was also something that I considered.

[Verbal32]

Not a test?! You sure?

[Andrej]

Ishy told me to tell you no.

[Verbal32]

I intentionally did vote you just to test this theory

to test this theory

test

[Verbal32]

Wanna try that again?

[peacesells]

AJ, horrible play if town.  You don't "test" in lylo.  Cause failure means losing.

 

 

Hopefully I'm pulling out of this fog enough to get through a re-read on a couple of players. 

 

The only reason I'm not clearing Verb as town yet is that I had a strong scum vibe on him early game.  As strong as my reads on Ishy and Wombat and those were proven accurate. 

 

Be back in awhile.

[Andrej]

Gonna be heading out in a bit for the NYE celebration, probably won't be back unless I decide to drunk post after the ball drops

 

Be safe everyone!

 

PS.

 

Lynch Verb.

[Verbal32]

AJ, horrible play if town. You don't "test" in lylo. Cause failure means losing.

 

 

Hopefully I'm pulling out of this fog enough to get through a re-read on a couple of players.

 

The only reason I'm not clearing Verb as town yet is that I had a strong scum vibe on him early game. As strong as my reads on Ishy and Wombat and those were proven accurate.

 

Be back in awhile.

No prob. I'm always scummy early - hopefully you'll see the movement to pro-town as the game wore on.

 

If not, then case me and we'll hash it out. Just don't pull an AJ and vote without proper discussion, heh.

[peacesells]

Well, I just read ISO's on both parties.   From those I lean towards scum Verb.  There is one issue.  Scum verb wouldn't normally NK Mish after the Ishy wifom on her.  Unless they thought I had a strong town rid on her which would make the scum pool smaller. 

 

 

Now we need to remember we actually have 3 scenarios here.

 

AJ Scum/Verb Town   - would explain the non speed hammer.

AJ Town/Vern Scum - another explanation for no speed hammer.

AJ Scum/Verb Scum - Looking to give one of the other strong town cred to last to end game. 

 

Gonna have to think on the two players for awhile.

[Verbal32]

Your issue noted is accurate.

 

Also, reread my harassment of AJ yesterday, and then his misplay today. He is transparent scum.

 

All that said, both of us as scum doesn't excuse Nerv being transparent today, too.

 

Read it - their mistakes are obvious since yesterday.

[peacesells]

Yup, what we need is a full case from Nerve on the remaining players.  With no jokes.  Just straight up casing.

[nervositee]

Yup, what we need is a full case from Nerve on the remaining players.  With no jokes.  Just straight up casing.

 

I see that alot has happened since I logged off. It's three o'clock New years eve and I'm not completely in the shape to head on to do that. Seeing as we have a generous deadline before lynch, I'll let myself have 'til morning before I go about sorting out my views on the remaining players.

 

And jokes? Even though I haven't been forward enough and haven't found the time to set up some proper cases I haven't tried to fluff it away or joke about. I figured "in the meantime" I'd put my gut feelings out there. Sorry if it seems like joking around, or "completely transparent" to verb. On the other hand, gut-feel-posts might be stupid as they are prone to quick changes. Right now my gut says both AJ and verb is scum, one kills the other and the remaining is home free. But this might change tomorrow, and if this is the case it's an extremely elaborate game. So, again, this is just me thinking out loud. I'll look at the hard, dry facts and make my cases tomorrow. 

[peacesells]

That's fair

[Kaylee]

Happy new year!

[nervositee]

My reads:

 

Might be a two-post read, I'll write here and post a multi-quote case right after:

 

Peace: Early on with chasing Ishy, who turned out to be scum. Got confused about the wrong name in the coroners report (p. 13) - might be a big town tell (or impressive acting, of course). 

 

AJ: Inactive early game, nothing substantial added. Seems to follow along. could be both trying to stay in the background (scummy). Even early in the game when verb started casing him, his defenses were lazy. Either scum tell, bad playing or possibly the set-up of a Verb-AJ-distancing scheme. 

 

Verbal: Lots of fluff in the early pages. And scum-looking defences against the claims of buddying with Leelou (p. 8), half-hearted distancing from Ishy (p. 9), who turned out to be scum. Self-voted, fluffing around, and seeing like he is hiding all intentions (as pointed out by peace (p. 15))  

 

Nikon: Good town-lead early on in the game, trying to get town together (p. 11), the whole misunderstanding about how many mafias to town there were also makes me lean town. First of all, mafia will know how many mafia there is, and it seems like a genuine confusion, not a mafia-coached confusion-ploy. On the other hand I see peace's point in that he spends more time telling town to get it together rather than joining in the going-to-get-it-together. Buuuut again, we're both newbs and haven't (or should be expected to, I guess) lead cases or trains. Still town-read. 

 

AJ's and Verbs reads will be combined here, because I wanna test a theory:

 

If we assume there are two mafia left, I want to propose Verb and AJ together. 

 

They have both (together with Ishy, confirmed scum) been short, at times moody, been distancing themselves in a way that distances them without leading to lynches on either one. Topping it off now that we're getting closer, so that one of them goes down and the other one can ride home free to the end. They both try to throw me in with the other in order to have a que up. First one of them gets lynched today, then a town NK. After that I stand in a lose-lose-situation where I'll be thrown in the deep end (assuming I'm right and they are both scum, and the remaining scum will hook me up with the recently departed) and get lynched, then another town NK and then boom, town isn't doing too good. 

 

Nikon, Peace, what do you think? And if you agree, who is the safest bet to start with?

[nervositee]

I just lumped it together here with some page reference where I can look up quotes if need be. So yeah, it turned into a one-post post. Just let me know if you want me to dig out some quotes.

[Verbal32]

Good response. Still doesn't excuse your transparent scum play earlier - but good effort nonetheless.

 

Also, moody? Me? Care to point out how/when? That seems like a random thing tossed in to add some sparkle to an otherwise clean response.

 

That's another slip, btw. Townies don't feel the need to oversell their cases.

[Verbal32]

Also, it seems we would agree on an AJ lynch, then.

 

Care to cast the first vote? I'll follow, and then either Peace or Nikon can review and make a decision.

[nervositee]

Good response. Still doesn't excuse your transparent scum play earlier - but good effort nonetheless.

 

Also, moody? Me? Care to point out how/when? That seems like a random thing tossed in to add some sparkle to an otherwise clean response.

 

That's another slip, btw. Townies don't feel the need to oversell their cases.

 

The moody-comment meant short. I can fetch up some quotes of what I meant, but it was a by-note to show the similarities to the way for example Ishy played. Not a main point, so unsure why you decided to pick on that. As mentioned this is a clever play from you two, so I did feel the need to build the case as strong as possible. "Townies don't feel the need to oversell their cases" seems to me like a scum thing to say. As town you're never sure, so you're supposed to turn every rock. As scum you know who is what. 

 

What my "transparent scum play" is, I'm still not sure of. I added my opinion to try and drive this forward, while having little time to build a strong case. Defining it as "transparent scum play" sounds most like a sales-pitch. Selling it like a fact, not as your read of it, trying to make it stick. Yeah, since I can see you need a new phone today, I got this beauty... 

 

And we still got time before deadline to let everyone chip in before we rush to a lynch, but I'll be first in line for an AJ-train. 

[Verbal32]

At endgame, scum oversell. You're overselling. Town rely on the facts and don't add subjective points. Saying I'm moody or 'short' is highly subjective and unnecessary, especially at endgame.

 

Hence, overselling.