[Basic] Wreck-It Ralph Mafia Game Over Mafia Wins

[Andrej]

Possibly. You're sort of giving him an ultimatum there though.

[Andrej]

Ninja'd. That was to Peace

[peacesells]

Possibly. You're sort of giving him an ultimatum there though.

 

Yeah..I realize that.  But I'm really just trying to shine a strong light on it.

[Andrej]

I get what you're doing, I agree with the thought process as well.

 

Feels like distancing even if it is terribly blatant.

[WWWwombat]

Catching up.

[WWWwombat]

 

Doubt it. Ishy seems to be coasting. 

 

Peace, what do you think of AJ? 

Null at this point.  Wondering why you aren't voting Wombat though.

 

 

Prob cuz I'm town.

 

 

See, I don't really like the people who have jumped on the Wombat train with you. 

 

Me neither.  I don't like Peace that much either.

 

 

Ditto.  I might re-read Wombat - I'm curious about his train.

 

Gross nudge/hedge.  I'll be curious to see if you actually come back with an ISO on me.

[WWWwombat]

reads more like he's voting Wombat for all his contradictions.  hence the WIFOM comment.

 

This is garbage.  I haven't contradicted myself at all.  Quote a contradiction or retract your baseless claim.  And Nervositee didn't mention anything about contradictions.  His WIFOM comment is really just a way of dodging my rebuttal of his crappy case on me in the first place.  He said that my aggressiveness comes off scummy, so I told him that I'm always aggressive and then he comes back with ZOMG UR WIFOMING UR META when he doesn't even know my meta in the first place.

 

 

 

reads more like he's voting Wombat for all his contradictions.  hence the WIFOM comment.

 

Agreed.

 

 

Eww.  This is why I hate playing with you.  You're too slimy for your own good.

 

 

Alright, sorry that I haven't been around much. I'm waiting for dinner to get finished so I have a bit of time.

 

unvote

 

I like some of Verb's latest posts. I wish he'd give more opinions on players but I agree with a few things that he has said: GF endgame theory, Ishy's response to Nikon's case most specifically.

 

Right the top 3 I am suspicious of are Mish, Ishy, and Wombat in no necessary order.

 

I'm leaning town for Peace and Nikon, probably my top 2 picks atm.

 

Sort of leaning town on Nerv for his case on Womby.

 

Pral is null (would be fine lynching) and GF is just strange to me.

 

Seriously hate this computer.

 

 

I'm gonna stick with my vote from yesterday. Not seeing anything to change my mind besides more spam/fluff and the soft-meta defense others have said don't necessarily mean anything to me. I've seen Verb say it himself that good players will manipulate meta for their advantage.

 

vote Verb

 

2. AJ - This post didn't sit right with me: 

Leelou is Doc so I'm not gonna vote there

 

I didn't have time to comment on it yesterday, the part I bolded and made violet makes it seem like he already knows I'm the doc or at the very least a townie. Willing to vote here. 

 

So far people I'm willing to vote for: AJ, Pral, GF and cusp Mish and Nikon

 

Vote AJ

 

You find it suspicious that I didn't want to vote the claimed Doc? Should I be doubtful of your claim?

 

 

Not really, but you shouldn't be so convinced of her legitimacy that you refer to her as "the doc" rather than "claimed doc."  It's the same thing that I pointed out about Mish saying that Peace was "confirmed."

 

 

Which leads me back to the last question: Did I have reason to be doubtful? I wasn't the only person to mention not wanting to vote the claimed Doc, several others actually had their votes on you and unvoted after your claim. You don't find them suspicious for believing it?

 

Since you seem to be deliberately obfuscating here, I'll give you a nice short answer.  Yes, you should have reason to be doubtful.  Unless you are mafia, you have no way of knowing for sure that Leelou is town.  That is why your Freudian slip looks like a scum slip.

 

I'm really not sure how you expect me to defend here because I typed 'the' instead of 'claimed'. At the time, and even now, I have seen nothing to firmly doubt Leelou's claim. That said, please don't assume that I wouldn't consider more possibilities with any situation. Most of the time I find it better to keep those thoughts to myself instead of flooding the thread with potential WIFOM. So yeah, the question still stands: Did I have a reason to be doubtful? If the answer is no or not really then I don't think you have much of a case.

 

unvote

Vote: AJ

 

 

Still rather lynch Mish, but I don't like having 3 votes with such a terrible general activity level.  G2g now before I put my fist through the monitor.

 

I really don't like this. You say you'd rather lynch Mish but move your vote over for what seems to be you looking for a competing train to run against yours with the DL coming up in a few days. This essentially sets up a 1v1 scenario and only speaks of your subliminal want to survive in this game. At the time I was one of the only other players with a vote on them, so now you've put me at 2 compared to your 3.

 

What are you talking about?  I had 3 votes on December 23 with no activity.  I had to set up something resembling a competing train or else I'd get run up.  Sticking on a #1 scum read regardless of circumstance is the kind of crappy town play that leads to deadline mislynches so often on this site.  And it's not a subliminal want to survive.  It's a self-evident one.  I want to survive.  I know I'm town.  I have a mixed read on you.  Therefore, knowing what I know, it is much better for the town if you are lynched than if I am.  Townies play for self-preservation quite often.  Townies should be willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the town, but there's no reason for me to go out of my way to martyr myself on D2.  The fact that you paint my perfectly desire to not get lynched today as scummy and flip out about getting a second vote is alarming to say the least.

 

 

 

Wtf DM.

 

vote Ishy

 

Why are you not voting Wombat?

 

 

I like this question from Peace.  Put your money where your mouth is or stop nudging.

[WWWwombat]

Great, AJ's quote messed up my comments.

[WWWwombat]

 

Nerv has a total of 6 posts, these 2 are from the wombat train: 

 

He's voting wombat because he finds him aggressive...now I need to go back and reread Wombat. I also want to read Mish because I get the feeling she's been pushing the Wombat train but not voting from this exchange.

I see it's already been clarified by others, but I didn't vote Wombat for finding him aggresive, I voted because as far as I could read, his arguments are thin, partly contradictory and very speculative. It's a complicated theory that holds water IF this and this, and IF he somehow knows excatly how everyone else thinks. It's like a conspiracy theory, which is why I mentioned the aggresive tone. It seems more like a cloak to veil the thin base of reasoning, rather than self-assurance in a water-proof theory. It's like a scummy lawyer pointing his finger at everything else to confuse the case, not find scum.

 

 

Way to piggy back on the words Peace put in your mouth.  I haven't contradicted myself at all.  The rest of the post is ok, but wrong.

 

 

 

Ishy, its a policy vote when you vote him for the way he always plays. And its still bad that you called me and Peace mafis without voting, abd then place a weak vote on GF.

Guess that's another post you decided to just skim over, so I'll repeat it again slowly.

 

I. Don't. Know. How. GF. Plays.

 

I've maybe played one game with him before, two years ago. So the fact that YOU know and accept this as his regular style? Means absolutely nothing at all to me. For me to place a "policy vote" would require me to be aware of an on-going problem /playstyle, which I'm not. So by all means, keep calling it a policy vote if you like, but when everyone decides to overlook the obvious mischaracterization, don't be surprised.

 

When I place a policy vote, I'll say so. Go look at my Hoof vote. Now THAT was a policy vote. And I clearly said so.

 

 

QFT.  Mish is full of it.  Did you see her case on me?  LOL.

 

If Ishy's vote is a policy vote, you could use pretty much the same argument to say that any vote based off of universal scumtells is a policy vote.  The meta-defense of GF's obviously scummy behavior reeks.

 

Anyway, gonna try to respond to some of what Mish said, but it's gonna take a while cuz she quoted 8 million posts more than she needed to in order to make it look like an actual case.

[Verbal32]

Wombat, you're so mean!

[Verbal32]

Who broke my forum?

[peacesells]

where are the votes?

[peacesells]

Wombat...you interested in voting Ishy today?

[Andrej]

What are you talking about?  I had 3 votes on December 23 with no activity.  I had to set up something resembling a competing train or else I'd get run up.  Sticking on a #1 scum read regardless of circumstance is the kind of crappy town play that leads to deadline mislynches so often on this site.  And it's not a subliminal want to survive.  It's a self-evident one.  I want to survive.  I know I'm town.  I have a mixed read on you.  Therefore, knowing what I know, it is much better for the town if you are lynched than if I am.  Townies play for self-preservation quite often.  Townies should be willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the town, but there's no reason for me to go out of my way to martyr myself on D2.  The fact that you paint my perfectly desire to not get lynched today as scummy and flip out about getting a second vote is alarming to say the least.

 

Are you saying that I am your #2 scum read? What changed about Peace at the time? Also, in the bolded it seems you have disregarded the fact that I could be Town as well. By saying that because you know your alignment and therefore it is better for Town to lynch me over you comes across as you trying to use your name/reputation in order to save yourself. The same thing could be said for me. I know I am Town. This is what I meant when I said I don't like how you're setting up a competing wagon race in this instance. You seem to have disregarded the chance you are setting up 2 Town mislynches with your action, which I don't find very positive.

 

I wasn't saying your desire not to get lynched is scummy. I'm saying abandoning your #1 read to start up a competing wagon to save yourself is though.

 

I like this question from Peace.  Put your money where your mouth is or stop nudging.

 

You must've missed my response to this.

[Verbal32]

 

 

reads more like he's voting Wombat for all his contradictions. hence the WIFOM comment.

 

 

reads more like he's voting Wombat for all his contradictions. hence the WIFOM comment.

Agreed.

Eww. This is why I hate playing with you. You're too slimy for your own good.

 

Btw, this wasn't me agreeing you were contradictory. It was me agreeing with Peace on why Nerv voted you for what HE thinks. There is a difference.

 

But thanks for the slimy compliment nonetheless. <3

[WWWwombat]

His first post of D1, where he first responds to a dead player (Des) and then continues nudging on Peace.

So? That's null as null gets.

 

First off, he calls himself, Ishy and Verb obvious townies (although the last time Wombat posted his reads, Verb was a null read).

Yeah, I adjust my reads based on gameplay. Like any townie should. I saw a couple towntells from Verbal and adjusted accordingly from null to town.

 

And here comes his big theory. Wich is so much BS. If on the off.chance Wombat is town, the mafia might have wanted him to think just this, and the mafia keeps town busy by making them go after Wombat, Peace and me.. Or, the simpler, more logical explanation; he is mafia and set up this whole thing himself.

 

...

 

You refuse to consider the fact that mafia could be trying to set us all up. What seems easiest and more logical to you? Occams Razor. But still the easiest explanation is you being mafia and setting this up.

 

Also, the bolded/blue'd: Remember that bit I said would be important earlier? He was defending earlier how grasping at straws were a good thing... And here he says the exact opposite.

1. Way to hedge for when I flip town.

 

2. Misapplication of Occam's Razor. The principle of parsimony states that between equally explanatory and predictive theoeries, chose the one that makes the least assumptions. It says nothing about anything being simple or easy.  In fact, assumptions are often chosen to make theories easier to construct.

 

But let me ask you a question? Which statement makes more assumptions?

 

a. Wombat is mafia and has set up all of his arguments and the mafia kill in order to make wild arguments against two specific townies when he could easily just play typical scum-hedging mafia and not be suspected until D3.

 

b. Wombat is town and using any bit of info he can to scumhunt.

 

 

 

3. As to the bolded/blue, that's a complete misrep. Of my statements. Both of my statements about "grasping at straw" express the same idea. They are not contradictory at all, and anyone who reads them can see that. It is my contention that the phrase "grasping at straws" should not be used in mafia, especially early in the game. It is way more spin than substance as it completely dismisses arguments with a cliché phrase. If my reasoning were so thin, you should be able to easily refute it rather than using underhanded rhetoric to discredit me.

 

Because of this opinion, I implied that "grasping at straws" is not a bad thing (which is why I orignially commended Hoof's "joke" vote on Leelou btw), and wrote that reading the phrase "grasping at straws" in a mafia game makes me want to puke. These statements are both totally consistent with my well-known and frequently expressed opinions on D1 scumhunting. No contradiction whatsoever.

 

 

Mish's play so far this game consists of using too many smileys in an effort to appear amiable and not mafia, complaining about inactivity and then disappearing, defending Peace, dropping scumtells, and OMGUSing me.

 

So I'm mafia because I use smileys. Because I mentioned inactivity once. For defending my biggest town read, "dropping scumtells" (care to elaborate on exactly what you mean by that?) and OMGUSing apparantly, even though I hadn't voted him or even FoSed him before this. Uh-huh.

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure you OMGUS'd the crap out of me D1 (which is what led to me mistakenly thinking you'd done it D2). I'll find that quote when I'm done with this post.

 

 

Oh, and she was one of the lead votes on the Hoof train.

 

Oh yeah, and because I was the first person to place a legitimate (non-policy) vote on Hoof. Because only mafias ever vote townies on the D1 lynch /sarcasm.

 

D1 train composition varies. I don't care about it. What I care about is that you placed a momentum vote on an easy D1 lynch target after you had taken heat for a crappy reason.

 

 

Honestly, I'm wanting to stuff as many smileys as I can into each post just out of spite. Most rubbish scumtell ever.

 

Wombat, remember the game you *just* modded? How many scumtells did I drop then? What was I? Oh, that's right. Town. When you see me dropping few to zero scumtells, that's when you should be wary. I don't give a shit about how I come across as when I'm town. I say whatevers on my mind and that's it.

 

And yeah, I was one of the lead votes on the Hoof train. So?

 

 

 

I didn't see you scumtelling much that game.  Only thing you did that was truly scummy was the bus driver thing and that was only because you didn't spring the trap in time.

 

 

 

And the Hoof train was terrible.  So having a prominent position on it means scum points.

 

 

 

Well I don't see you trying to use that against Ishy now are you?

 

 

 

I have a town read on Ishy and he was first to vote Hoof, which is a lot better than second in this case imo.

 

Hard defense of scum is null, as scum usually like to bus at some point.  The Verbal lynch wasn't even that bad as you guys leveraged it for info pretty well.  The sheeping/not contributing was more indicative of effort than alignment in this case imo.  But yeah, you're definitely right that I was biased by knowing that you were town.

 

And this whole exchange *shakes head* Ishy's vote was a policy vote; I was the first to place a proper vote on Hoof, at a time where it would have been easier to place a vote on Leelou (Des' case; it's no secret I often follow Des around early in games and it would have been very easy for me to sneak in a vote on Leelou with that reason).

 

I don't care about what you say your meta is right now, so stop using it to defend yourself. Most of your defenses are "I wouldn't do this" or "I would've done that." How about you defend why you did the scummy things that you did instead?

 

 

unvote

Vote: AJ

 

 

Still rather lynch Mish, but I don't like having 3 votes with such a terrible general activity level.  G2g now before I put my fist through the monitor.

 

He unvotes from me, because he doesn't like the fact that he has gotten three votes...? How does that even commute? And instead of voting his other scum read (Peace) he votes AJ, without giving a reason for why.

 

What part of "I know I'm town so I don't want to die" is so hard to understand?

 

 

Also, I coulda sworn Mish was voting me. gonna have to check that out when I can get a real computer.

 

And he's paying so little proper attention that he doesn't even know if I've voted him or not. I am now though.

 

 

 

 

To take a leaf out of Des' book (<3 u): Obvious scum.

 

Vote Wombat

 

And you're paying such excellent attention that you don't even remember who you voted D1 ;)

[WWWwombat]

So I couldn't find Mish voting me D1, so i guess I was wrong about that part of things. The rest stands though. Her vote on Blackhoof was bad and her case on me is worse.

 

 

Leelou, either you are scum or you are completely oblivious to how scummy that vote looks.  

 

I would say scum. Was gonna case her myself, Des got there before me. Yeah, big scum.

 

Your voting profile consists on seeing which one will stick while cheer leading all your choices...except your choice for me?  Why is that?

 

Ishy is burying his vote like he usually does when scum.

 

Actually I've seen him more try not to vote when he's scum. Or try to follow others. Not certain I've seen him use the policy-vote thing as mafia.

 

leelou is cheerleading.

 

wombat has reversed his meta again which is a bad sign.  as town the past year he has been an aggressive scum hunter.

 

Those are my top 3 suspects.

 

Despo is looking for a reaction from me and has basically parked his vote.  Neutral feel.

 

No possible reads from GF and Pral...cause they choose not to play the game.   They just like being part of the click I guess.

 

Hoof, AJ, Nikon, Nerv...all town or newbee reads.

 

And you forgot me :( I feel wounded.

 

Got a town read on Nikon for that case on me.

 

I'm def willing to switch to Leelou, but i actually feel like Hoof's "LEelou is totally scum" switch to "lol it was an obvious joke" feels worse.

 

Vote Hoof

 

Hoof making jokes that no one understands on D1 is expected. He recently got lynched for it D1 in Nolder's game too. So Mish voting Hoof for not getting a weird joke he made is crap.

[WWWwombat]

Anyways, back to catchup.

[WWWwombat]

Ok Ishy..that vote isn't going anywhere.  You have a second choice?  Wanna do some scum hunting?

 

Great post.

 

 

 

If that is the case, why aren't you voting Ishy, who has a chance to be lynched instead of starting a brand new train on Verbal?

 

Looks like you are trying to either stall something or stay off a lynch train.

 

I vote on who my top suspect is and not some train business based vote. I suspect Ishy too but Verbal is pinging more. When it is time to consolidate, that is when I start the train come into picture.

 

My vote on Hoof was 2 hours or so before the deadline and I was not coming online during deadline time. Leelou had claimed as doc and there not going to be any other option at that time. It was a consolidation vote. 

 

 

Bad post.  This kind of inflexible play is how town loses and scum hides.

 

 

 

Tomorrow when I wake up

 

Sure..when deadline is approaching.  You don't have a case.  It's becoming apparent.

 

 

lol yep

 

 

 

Ok, just had a reread of the thread

 

• Peace and Ishy - The Peace-Ishy exchange l sounded fine initially but the quickness which it fizzled out does make it feel forced. I mentioned the same few days back. Ishy is being ishy, with his reason-less votes (except for the Day1 vote on Hoof) and he could be pretty much hiding behind his meta
• Mish - I have been getting town vibes from Mish in this game. Her thinking of Peace as confirmed town is just her typical self jumping to conclusions and I don't see anything different in it. Wonbat's explanation does seem far-fetched in this case
• Leelou - claimed doc. Good for now
• Verbal - Has seem a lot playful this game. Last time I saw him not-so-serious was when he was scum. He has mostly been defending against Wombat and never even bothered to address AJ and Peace. To me, he is the top scum candidate as of now
• Wombat - Has pretty good arguments in parts and certain far-fetched one too. Like the one where he talks about Mish's kill of Des. A wombat-verbal tscum team would be deadly, lol
• AJ - I liked his arguments about Verbal and reverbated with what I was thinking. Although, why he suddenly felt Verbal is town when he didn't even address his vote seems questionable
• Nikon, nervositee - both are looking like confused newcomers. I won't discard the possibility of one of them being scum
• GF - leaning town as of now. He has a tendency to jump into votes and it doesn seem like deliberate .

Right now, my scum reads are Ishy and Verbal. 

 

vote verbal

 

Blue: Come again please? Do tell me how I always just jump to conclusions instead of thinkings things logically trough. I've already said I ment confirmed in my eyes; his reaction read genuinly confused townie, that combined with the rest of his posts sealed the deal for me.

 

Green: Last time you saw him unserious was... Wombat's game. Where he was the town deputy. Uh-huh. Do please tell me again how that make Verb scum. Please make a proper case though, instead of putting out false statements.

 

Pink: You liked that he calls it a scumtell that I admit that I wouldn't kill Des N1 if I was mafia? How about you instead say that in your mentioning about me, that you think it's scummy. Because first you  say you have a town feel on me, and then you agree that I've been scummy. Does not commute.

 

Orange: So, Peace isn't on your scum list even though you think Ishy is scum (because he might be hiding behind his meta?) even though you felt their exchanged felt forced. That implies that they are both mafia, but Peace isn't on your list.

 

If that is the case, why aren't you voting Ishy, who has a chance to be lynched instead of starting a brand new train on Verbal?

 

Looks like you are trying to either stall something or stay off a lynch train.

 

This. So much this.

 

 

I mean, seriously, GF is asked for reads, posts a video of I-don't-know-wut, sheeps a vote onto the biggest train with no rationale behind it whatsoever, has been lurking the entire game. Just all-around anti-Town play so far.

There ya go Pral, Mish. Since the two of you just seem to want to make b.s. cases up that are based on out and out lies. There's my reason for my GF vote Pral, so not reasonless. Strike one.

 

And there's my obviously non-policy vote that is based on nothing other than this game Mish. Strike two. But the two of you are welcome to keep coming up with transparently bogus reasons for nudging a lynch against me without placing a vote.

 

 

 

 

Ishy, its a policy vote when you vote him for the way he always plays. And its still bad that you called me and Peace mafis without voting, abd then place a weak vote on GF.

Guess that's another post you decided to just skim over, so I'll repeat it again slowly.

 

I. Don't. Know. How. GF. Plays.

 

I've maybe played one game with him before, two years ago. So the fact that YOU know and accept this as his regular style? Means absolutely nothing at all to me. For me to place a "policy vote" would require me to be aware of an on-going problem /playstyle, which I'm not. So by all means, keep calling it a policy vote if you like, but when everyone decides to overlook the obvious mischaracterization, don't be surprised.

 

When I place a policy vote, I'll say so. Go look at my Hoof vote. Now THAT was a policy vote. And I clearly said so.

 

 

Are you taking over Des' role as Queen of Emo now that he's dead?

 

Yes you are right, I had missed the post where you said you didn't play with him before. My apologies. That aside, the facts still are:

1. You parked your only vote on D1, a policy vote.

2. You called me and Peace mafia at the beginning of this Day, but never voted either of us, and have not followed up on that statement later either.

3. Most of your posts are fluffy.

 

 

Tomorrow when I wake up

 

I just... I mean... I don't even have words. Why even BOTHER typing that post? If you were around to write that, you could have spent a couple of minute extra on a proper post  to answer Peace.

 

 

 

Oooh look, now Wombat will call me mafia because I use gifs (anyone notice how he stopped using that argument after a while btw? Yeah because it's the most BS scumtell ever)

 

 

This post is actually ok.  Way too long for the content and too much meta though imo.  Don't care about the gifs.

 

 

 

Oh man cant wait to get back on the computer and pick apart Prals post.

Ishy, its a policy vote when you vote him for the way he always plays. And its still bad that you called me and Peace mafis without voting, abd then place a weak vote on GF.

Your first sentence:

 

If your previous post was meant to be the promised grand unraveling of Pray's case, color me unimpressed. Instead, color me unsurprised that your much-anticipated tearing apart of his logic, instead turned into a case against me.

 

Your second and third sentence:

 

Well, at least you admitted the fallacy of these two. Thanks.

 

 

This is a good point.  If that was supposed to be Mish "picking apart" Pralaya's post, it was pretty bad.  And yeah, Ishy is a lazy vote right now imo.

 

 

 

As for Pral's case, it's kinda meh.  Verbal's been fluffy.  Who cares?

[WWWwombat]

Re: ignoring AJ's vote on me - you don't need to respond to every little mention of your name.....it can make you seem jumpy. I'm not jumpy.

 

Also, Pral, this case of yours is about as strong as a piece of wet toilet paper. Good luck.

 

Agreed.  Fluffy TP > Wet TP

 

 

And great job starting a brand new train on the final day w/ a deadline approaching.

 

I'm still wavering on Wombat. I like half his posts, and hate the rest. I'd rather go elsewhere still.

 

I'm also not that fussed over Ishy not responding to Nikkon; I did the same to AJ. It'd be a shame to be a hypocrite there!

 

Like this.  Actual opinions.

 

 

I get what you're doing, I agree with the thought process as well.

 

Feels like distancing even if it is terribly blatant.

 

That's crap.  Wishy washy play deserves an ultimatum.

[WWWwombat]

Wombat, you're so mean!

 

I'm hungry and I'm at L - 2 >:(

 

 

Wombat...you interested in voting Ishy today?

 

Not really.  More interested than I am in getting lynched, but I have a town read on Ishy.

 

 

 

What are you talking about?  I had 3 votes on December 23 with no activity.  I had to set up something resembling a competing train or else I'd get run up.  Sticking on a #1 scum read regardless of circumstance is the kind of crappy town play that leads to deadline mislynches so often on this site.  And it's not a subliminal want to survive.  It's a self-evident one.  I want to survive.  I know I'm town.  I have a mixed read on you.  Therefore, knowing what I know, it is much better for the town if you are lynched than if I am.  Townies play for self-preservation quite often.  Townies should be willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the town, but there's no reason for me to go out of my way to martyr myself on D2.  The fact that you paint my perfectly desire to not get lynched today as scummy and flip out about getting a second vote is alarming to say the least.

 

Are you saying that I am your #2 scum read? What changed about Peace at the time? Also, in the bolded it seems you have disregarded the fact that I could be Town as well. By saying that because you know your alignment and therefore it is better for Town to lynch me over you comes across as you trying to use your name/reputation in order to save yourself. The same thing could be said for me. I know I am Town. This is what I meant when I said I don't like how you're setting up a competing wagon race in this instance. You seem to have disregarded the chance you are setting up 2 Town mislynches with your action, which I don't find very positive.

 

I wasn't saying your desire not to get lynched is scummy. I'm saying abandoning your #1 read to start up a competing wagon to save yourself is though.

 

I like this question from Peace.  Put your money where your mouth is or stop nudging.

 

You must've missed my response to this.

 

 

You're my #3 right now.

 

Yeah, you could be town, but I don't know that.  And since we are talking about my reason voting someone, the only PoV that matters is mine.  That's not arrogance, that's smart decision-making with limited information.  If I were trying to save a random person whose alignment I don't know, you'd have a point, but that's not even close to what's happening.

 

And if you think switching off my #1 scum read to save myself at deadline is scummy, you clearly don't get the point I was making at all.  I'm not going to play mafia from some imaginary objectively uninformed townie PoV.  I know my role and alignment and I will use that information in making my decisions.  As should any townie.

 

 

 

 

reads more like he's voting Wombat for all his contradictions. hence the WIFOM comment.

 

reads more like he's voting Wombat for all his contradictions. hence the WIFOM comment.

Agreed.

Eww. This is why I hate playing with you. You're too slimy for your own good.

 

Btw, this wasn't me agreeing you were contradictory. It was me agreeing with Peace on why Nerv voted you for what HE thinks. There is a difference.

 

But thanks for the slimy compliment nonetheless. <3

 

 

No problem.  H8U

[WWWwombat]

Because I'm still unsure. He is applying himself which gives me a town vibe but I don't agree with some of his points. I don't like his vote either but I'd like to see him respond first.

 

Ishy is suspect and I agree a lot with Nikon's case. Additionally, Womby is calling him all but conf-Town. I think their two wagons building could give a lot of info.

 

I didn't miss this btw.  It's irrelevant.  You are voting Ishy and nudging me.  I don't care how ambivalent you claim you are.

[WWWwombat]

Anyways, gonna check out the VC and see what I need to do.

[WWWwombat]

Official Vote Count

 

AJ (2): Leelou, Wombat

Wombat (4): Peace, Nervositee, GF, Mish

GF (1): Ishy

Ishy (2): Nikon, AJ

Verbal (1): Pral

 

Not Voting (1): Verbal

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline is Thursday, Dec 26th @ 8:30pm MST http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131226T2030&p0=197&msg=Day+2&csz=1

 

Wombat is at L-2

 

As far as I can tell, this VC is still accurate and we have about 6 hours to deadline.

[peacesells]

Wombat, can you explain your town read on Ishy?  I don't get it.  I can possibly see a null read...but not a town one strong enough for you not to have placed a vote on him already considering you have 3 on you.