[Basic] Weasley vs Malfoy at the Ministry - Game over - Weasleys win

[csarmi]

Yes, I just wanted to check that you were still saying it was a true claim, same from AVM and Cloud.

 

Also, can I ask about your QT?  Were you only able to use 'fake' claims in there?

I never said whether we had a QT or not. We do.

We didn't talk about character claims there at all. In fact, we haven't discussed anything there at all. I would assume that we could only use the "fakeclaims" there, as nothing else would make sense, yes. But I haven't actually asked Thorum about it.

[Leelou]

I really don't like how over defensive you are getting salami. You aren't holding up under pressure. 

[Leelou]

 

 

In any case I have no time to deal with this now. It's 8 in the afternoon here and I still got about 6-8h of work ahead of us cause I need to finish up something by tomorrow.

 

unvote Cloud

 

Ah so what happened to "lynching any of us three is foolish"?

 

Can you even read?!

 

I have unvoted you. What else do you want from me? Ask you to marry me?*

You're not my lover, AVM is.

 

(not sure if that saying exists in english, it's a hungarian saying, you can guess the usage and meaning just fine I suppose)

 

 

FYI, I don't doubt you are lovers with AVM. I'm just not sold you are both town. 

[csarmi]

Leelou: I don't care what you like or what you think.

 

I'm sitting at work at 9pm, have 8 more hours of work to do on this bloody project that I have to finish by tomorrow morning, I am sick, tired, and as I've stated already, I've completely had enough of this game by yesterday (in fact, I'd have replaced out if I could), and the only thing that has me going here is that as a townie as a lover I have responsibilities and I'm not one to let that go.

[csarmi]

@Leelou: I don't know whether we're both town either. I only know that I am. What I DO know that this is not the time to solve this.

Possibly mislynching a town lover pair is way too detrimental on D1.

[BFG]

Salami's play is considerably less scummy to me, but that's also through the lens of sharing a QT and the conversation in there -- something that is easily manipulated.  He could very well say the same about me.

 

Personally, my best bet is Despo.  

 

However the longer Salami and I are to stay alive, the greater the WIFOM and let's be honest -- there's no real reason for scum to take us out IF we are both town.  Their pool of major roles has been narrowed down and they can easily get a twofer later if/when they need it.  They also would have the chance that town lynches one of the two of us for fear of being scum.

 

I do sort of feel like the smarter play is removing us now simply because of the chance that either of us could be scum hiding in plain sight.  Would love to hear some insight from Verb, Leelou, etc

 

 

 

Yes, I just wanted to check that you were still saying it was a true claim, same from AVM and Cloud.

 

Also, can I ask about your QT?  Were you only able to use 'fake' claims in there?

I never said whether we had a QT or not. We do.

We didn't talk about character claims there at all. In fact, we haven't discussed anything there at all. I would assume that we could only use the "fakeclaims" there, as nothing else would make sense, yes. But I haven't actually asked Thorum about it.

 

 

Had just started to think that logically Cloud was more likely to be mafia... 

 

Can we get a VC?

 

I have no problem voting either, but would like to give some of the others chance to comment

[_CLOUD]

EBWOP

 

@Salami: 

 

Yes, I consider you not wanting me lynched after all these posts buddying: (...)

That was before you cc'd Fred on AVM. That changes the situation a lot. For one thing, I find you being town more likely now. For another, I think it's a bad idea to pursue this avenue NOW. We'll have much more information later. Cop views, flips, more info on how the claims are distributed in general, etc.

 

 

BTW - it's about 100% sure that the lovers are Fred + George (given the setup and that Thorum actually wanted to see how lovers worked because theys fit the theme/setup so well). No other pair makes sense as lovers, given the theme.

 

LOL. This is mafia. Character claims are random, and so are Lover pairs. The Weasleys are one big family for crying out loud; they could all be Lovers.

 

BS. Only one pair makes sense as lovers and if you have read (or even watched) Harry Potter, you'll know exactly which pair (Fred/George) and also why.

Of course I happen to know that I'm right about this (as being half of the lover pair), but anyone can figure this out. The theme. That Thorum specifially wantzed to use lovers in this game in particular as it made the most sense for him, etc.

 

And then I didn't even mention our claim which would push that already 100% certainty even higher if such a thing were possible.

 

 

So let's get this straight. I claimed that my true character is Fred, which AVM hasn't done, and you are still so certain that Fred and George are Lovers in this game?? I could understand that you feel like believing your Lover because of your QT interaction, but now you say that you hadn't discussed anything at all. You can't believe my claim and think I'm town, and not doubt AVM's claim at the same time.

 

 

 

Yes, I just wanted to check that you were still saying it was a true claim, same from AVM and Cloud.

 

Also, can I ask about your QT?  Were you only able to use 'fake' claims in there?

I never said whether we had a QT or not. We do.

We didn't talk about character claims there at all. In fact, we haven't discussed anything there at all. I would assume that we could only use the "fakeclaims" there, as nothing else would make sense, yes. But I haven't actually asked Thorum about it.

 

[csarmi]

And now I'm off. You guys do whatever you want.

[Thorum]

cs edited but he explained (and I coincidentally have the old post on the other screen, so nothing has changed)

 

I will be offline from now until around the deadline (depending on traffic). It's a hammer game: when someone gets hammered, night starts. Don't hesitate in sending in night actions. Day 2 will start before the weekend.

 

Also, another reminder that you don't want a no-lynch.

 

 

You say that you are the real Fred but AVM must say that too, wether it´s true or not. He can´t say that he is another town character and have to claim Fred because then he breaks the rules. 

 

You can say whether or not you have to lie. Or lie about that  So you could say "I have to say I am Vladimir Putin, but that's a lie."

 

As Cloud correctly puts it:

 

 

Cloud, I´m not saying anything about your alignments (your, AVM´s or Csarmi´s) but you are putting AVM in a bad spot. You say that you are the real Fred but AVM must say that too, wether it´s true or not. He can´t say that he is another town character and have to claim Fred because then he breaks the rules. 

 

No, AVM can say that his real character is someone else but he may not specify or hint to that character. I believe Thorum has already said this. @MOD could you confirm what I just said regarding the game mechanics to be true?

 

I can also confirm that, up to this point, no modkills are necessary.

 

as usual: NO QUOTING QUICKTOPICS !!!

 

 

 

Votecounts and presences. Italicized people have yet to post or send a pm before night's end.

Day 1
up to and including post #358
Salami (4) - Tina, Leelou, Desp, Peace
Desp (2) - Cloud, AVM
GF (1) - Dice
Not voting (5) - Mish, Verbal, Graendal, BFG, Salami

 

12 alive, so 7 votes for a lynch.  Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20131114T21&p0=48&msg=End+of+day+1, or hammer.

 

Spelling Bee Points
5 - BFG
1 - Verbal

 

 

[_CLOUD]

@Leelou: I don't know whether we're both town either. I only know that I am. What I DO know that this is not the time to solve this.

Possibly mislynching a town lover pair is way too detrimental on D1.

 

BS. It will give us a ton of info. Who do you want to lynch instead? GF?

 

 

Leelou: I don't care what you like or what you think.

 

I'm sitting at work at 9pm, have 8 more hours of work to do on this bloody project that I have to finish by tomorrow morning, I am sick, tired, and as I've stated already, I've completely had enough of this game by yesterday (in fact, I'd have replaced out if I could), and the only thing that has me going here is that as a townie as a lover I have responsibilities and I'm not one to let that go.

 

So you are sick of playing in this game, we get it, so why don't you still take in the possibility that your Lover might be mafia after all the things that we have discussed? You think that I'm town, but at the same time you also believe AVM and that Fred and George are Lovers.

[csarmi]

One last thing cause I just can't let go apparently:

 

Cloud, I never said that I was sure AVM was town.

What I'm sure is that he's my lover and that Fred and George is a lover pair in this game (for obvious reasons, I'd say). BTW, AVM saying that Fred is his TRUE character would mean nothing (read what THorum posted - surprise - you can lie there).

[Thorum]

That deadline is in 24 hours.

[csarmi]

So you are sick of playing in this game, we get it, so why don't you still take in the possibility that your Lover might be mafia after all the things that we have discussed? You think that I'm town, but at the same time you also believe AVM and that Fred and George are Lovers.

I

NEVER

DISCARDED

THE

POSSIBILITY

OF

MY

LOVER

PAIR

BEING

SCUM

 

You keep pushing that and I'm starting to think that it's not reading comprehension you'Re lacking there, but you're just plainly keep misrepping me on purpose.

 

*****************************

 

Also:

 

Cause I'm a responsible TEAM player and I don't think it would help my team (yes, team town) to do that lynch. Can't spell it out better for you.

[Leelou]

Well, scum won't touch you now with all the WIFOM out there. Plus, Day 1 would be perfect to clear this all up if you are both town instead of later in the game when the numbers will be dwindling. 

[_CLOUD]

One last thing cause I just can't let go apparently:

 

Cloud, I never said that I was sure AVM was town.

What I'm sure is that he's my lover and that Fred and George is a lover pair in this game (for obvious reasons, I'd say). BTW, AVM saying that Fred is his TRUE character would mean nothing (read what THorum posted - surprise - you can lie there).

 

*headdesk*

 

Why would I lie about saying that my real character is Fred?

[BFG]

@Thorum - sorry to be a pain, but I thought Cloud was voting AVM

[csarmi]

 

One last thing cause I just can't let go apparently:

 

Cloud, I never said that I was sure AVM was town.

What I'm sure is that he's my lover and that Fred and George is a lover pair in this game (for obvious reasons, I'd say). BTW, AVM saying that Fred is his TRUE character would mean nothing (read what THorum posted - surprise - you can lie there).

 

*headdesk*

 

Why would I lie about saying that my real character is Fred?

 

*headdesk*

 

Back to reading comprehension. Replace the "you can lie there" by "one (people in general) can lie there (lie about that)" and see where that gets you.

[Thorum]

Nope, he didn't: 

 

Now, go vote for AMV :P

[_CLOUD]

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you. I wasn't talking about the fact that people can lie about their claim; I asked you why I would stick my neck out as mafia and say that my true character is Fred while both you and AVM came forward saying that you are Fred and George and Lovers. It isn't a good trade off to trade my life in for two townies right at the start of Day 1, when there has also been enough WIFOM going around.

[csarmi]

Well, scum won't touch you now with all the WIFOM out there. Plus, Day 1 would be perfect to clear this all up if you are both town instead of later in the game when the numbers will be dwindling.

Now that's an anti-town agenda you're pushing there Leelou.

 

If one of us is scum, let MAFFIA worry about how to remove us and when - cause they would have to do that eventually and you know that very well.

If both of us are town, you should be happy that maffia won't shoot us.

 

Win-win?

 

Yes if we keep staying alive, the case has to be reconsidered, possibly daily. But this is surely the worst time to clear that up.

[_CLOUD]

 

 

AVM, would you mind giving a character claim?  I think it will help the survivors at the end to know how many claims are real or not.

 

I would think that it would go without saying that Fred and George are lovers -- I am Fred.

 

 

Unvote, Vote AVM

 

 

Boom. You are not Fred; I'm Fred.

 

[csarmi]

@Cloud - the point is that ANYONE CAN LIE ABOUT WHETHER THEY ARE CLAIMING TRUE so that's in itself gives us nothing. That was a response to the line of thought where you asked about how I could believe AVM to be town (which I never said he did) as he did NOT say it was his real claim.

 

The point is that it does NOT MATTER. Even if he did say that, we wouldn't know whether he was telling the truth.

 

GAH

[peacesells]

Csarmi...gotta hand it to you.  When you decide to use aTe and a tool..you go all out.  Didn't you try this same tactic in John Snows game?

 

Anyway, why did AVM state he got a town read on you due to your QT discussions and you state there hasn't been any discussion? 

[_CLOUD]

 

Well, scum won't touch you now with all the WIFOM out there. Plus, Day 1 would be perfect to clear this all up if you are both town instead of later in the game when the numbers will be dwindling.

Now that's an anti-town agenda you're pushing there Leelou.

 

If one of us is scum, let MAFFIA worry about how to remove us and when - cause they would have to do that eventually and you know that very well.

If both of us are town, you should be happy that maffia won't shoot us.

 

Win-win?

 

Yes if we keep staying alive, the case has to be reconsidered, possibly daily. But this is surely the worst time to clear that up.

 

 

This post is so bad. It isn't a win-win situation because everyone won't shut up about you two until you are both dead. Do you really want to see all the future conversation being centered around the two of you? That makes for horrible scumhunting.

 

 

UNVOTE, VOTE CSARMI

 

It appears that nobody is going for AVM, and it doesn't matter anyway who of them gets lynched. He is now at L-2.

[peacesells]

ebwop.

 

And a tool = as a tool