Underworld Mafia [Basic] - Game Over. TOWN WINS!

[berf]

Huh.

 

I was just going off gut - I thought it was 5 to lynch and we had 5.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

No one died last night.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well that is fortunate

 

Unvote - Vote Despo

 

He has been most insistant that he is Town, he believes that being a strong advocate on Lynches that resulted in a Mafia proves he is Town, he is pushing Peace to Kill people, he is very sure that Victor is in the Game and that he is likely to be a Godfather. That's good enough for me.

 

Besides ... I think the easiest way to win this Game is to run people up on Lynches and see who/what they claim at this time. We know from Cloud that they don't have fake claims and there are not that many characters in the series really. I think perhaps only 15 altogether? So even if mass role claims are not allowed - we push someone to L-1, let them claim. See if anyone counter claims, if they don't we unvote and move on.

 

It's just numbers now.

 

 

Oh ... I's not going to even mention that Peace is a vig and not an SK with the result from Hallia. I have no idea why she viewed Panchi though - seems a bit odd.

[berf]

I did notice that, and then completely forgot to do the maths.

 

I will try and organise my thoughts when I get home. Though I have to cook dinner and drive an hour to football and then drive an hour back...

 

 

Just try not to bloody lynch me before I have a chance to respond proper, and organise my thoughts. Though we all saw how well appeals to reason worked out earlier.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Dead people

 

9.Darthe - David - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 1.

 

8.WBK BG - William Corvinus - Mafia Goon - Killed Day 2

14.Dice - Marcus Corvinus - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 2

15.Cloud - Kraven - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 1

 

Claimed People

 

2.Ithi - Eve - Vanilla Town

6.Andrej - Michael - Vanilla Town

7.Peace - Lucian - Town Vig

11.Vam Berf - Sonja - Vanilla Town (who is Lucian's Wife that got Killed by Victor in the fil. You really should be nicer to him @ Peace lol)

10.Hallia - Town Cop - No Character yet

12.Panchi - Town something as per Hallia

 

People that we don't know anything about yet

 

1.Despothera ... Unknown

3.Turin - Unknown

4.Chuckles (lolguy) - Unknown

5.Mish - Unknown

13.Dap (Player) - Unknown

[dapianoplay3r]

Yea I claimed a character and role ithi

 

Raze (I think that's how you spell it, but it's pretty close to that)

VT

[Ithillian Turambar]

Was I sleeping?

 

I shall not edit lol. That would be bad.

 

Lemme post again instead.

 

 

Dead people

 

9.Darthe - David - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 1.

 

8.WBK BG - William Corvinus - Mafia Goon - Killed Day 2

14.Dice - Marcus Corvinus - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 2

15.Cloud - Kraven - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 1

 

Claimed People

 

2.Ithi - Eve - Vanilla Town

6.Andrej - Michael - Vanilla Town

7.Peace - Lucian - Town Vig - Cop states is Town

11.Vam Berf - Sonja - Vanilla Town (who is Lucian's Wife that got Killed by Victor in the fil. You really should be nicer to him @ Peace lol)

13. Dap (Player) Raze - Vanilla Town. Raze is second in command to Lucian. If Lucian is Town then Raze probably is too.

10.Hallia - Town Cop - No Character yet

12.Panchi - Town something as per Hallia

 

People that we don't know anything about yet

 

1.Despothera ... Unknown

3.Turin - Unknown

4.Chuckles (lolguy) - Unknown

5.Mish - Unknown

[Ithillian Turambar]

Can you see my Siggy @ Dap?

[hazelkrs1]

Ithi, your play has just been completely dense this game. Sorry, but it's true. If you really think I was being serious before when I claimed Watcher, I just... I just don't know. I'm glad at the very least you didn't keep your vote parked on Peace, I was going to scold you about that when I saw you post earlier.

 

I NEVER said I was proven town. In fact I was clear in making the distinction between that and what I said. I said my towniness should have been obvious to anyone paying attention. The fact that it isn't to you shows how much you have let your judgement be clouded this game.

 

I never said me being a strong advocate on lynches proves me town. The only thing that can "prove" me town is a coroner report, which you shall not be seeing this game tyvm. However, if you do look back at the mafia lynches themselves, it does become clear that there is no way in hell you can think I was bussing. You ignored this before, so I'll point it out again. Dice's lynch was NOT one that had been picking up steam for a while, it never even looked like he was close to getting lynched until very late in the day yesterday. I was one of the biggest pushers on this lynch. Bussing a teammate that hard when there wasn't any huge amount of heat or pressure on them would be straight up idiotic play if I was scum. You really think I'm an idiot?

 

As for pushing for Peace to kill people, really the only one I have pushed him to kill is Turin. And that is because I have a solid scum read on Turin. There is nothing scummy at all about pushing for kills from a claimed killer. It helps clear up wifom (which is a good thing), and it also helps divine the true goals of the claimed killer themselves. Not only that, but it's another way of making clear who I believe to be scummy. There is absolutely nothing anti-town about pushing for someone's death in mafia.

 

And are you honestly going to sit here and tell me you don't think Viktor would be in this game? I really don't even think I should have to argue for that. I also don't think it's a big leap in logic to say that he would be a great choice for Godfather. We've seen 3 goons die. It's completely reasonable to assume that for balance purposes, the mafia team would have a GF. Mish was clever enough to point that out first. So no, I don't think that my belief that Viktor is in this game and is most likely a GF is unreasonable, or scummy, whatsoever.

 

Then we come to your idea about basically pushing a mass claim. I am against mass claims, not because they hurt town in any way (they don't, at least when they're done at the right times), but because it's a cheap method to use to find scum. A lot of themed games are broken by mass claims, depending on how the mod set them up. There isn't a rule against them in this game, but you yourself know that relying on mass claims is a very dishonorable way to win as town. We should be able to use our powers of sleuthing to uncover the mafiosos, we shouldn't have to rely on a mechanic which essentially makes it impossible for the mafia team to win.

 

Moreover you're promoting an underhanded way of getting a mass claim out when there are still town PR's that could potentially be hidden. Don't get me wrong, we have mafia on the ropes, but still promoting anything that can uncover town PR's is just straight up anti-town.

 

Okay, more thoughts to follow.

[Ithillian Turambar]

If there's only 1 mafia left to Lynch ... I really don't see your problem with the above idea. Unless you have Character you really don't want to reveal.

 

AND ... perhaps you are deliberately misinterpreting me - or you are just being dense - but I think you may be Victor? Savvy?

 

And I had just woken up and wanted to check if you were just messing about with the claim or not - which is why I didn't go straight in with the What are you on about? Why would you watch Peace? Watchers don't even follow so you are clearly talking out of your behind and if you were going to Follow anyone surely you would have followed the person you thought was mafia? Yeah so I didn't do that - but I did want to check.

[Ithillian Turambar]

We've got 7 probable Towns and only 4 Unknowns.

 

And you are now saying I'm anti Town for pointing that out. Very interesting.

[hazelkrs1]

Alright so as to the matter of who IS scum, let's see here:

 

Berf: I for one didn't vote Berf for the reasons Hallia gave. Those are some murky reasons to vote someone. My reasons go something like this: Vam was uberscummy imo. I always like looking at replacements because in my experience they are replaced more often than town (because they feel bad about letting their team down). Since Berf joined the game, he pinged me slightly. There are two main things I had against him: his manner of fos'ing a lot of other people in an attempted subtle manner (he often said "hmmm how interesting that so and so did this...", and his post before night had ended where he went "Hmmmm I wonder if mafia will submit a NK....." Yeah that was pretty sketchy. I'll grab the quote if you want. Since Berf got pressured, I found his responses to be quite less than adequate. Trying to shower suspicion on Peace (viewed town by Hallia), Hallia (claimed cop), Turin (kk I'll give him this one), Panchi (also viewed town), and myself all at the same time was weak. The fact that he voted Peace, who is more confirmed town in my eyes than just about anyone at this point (Day killing SK who views as town? Puhhlease) is even worse.

 

However, that all being said, some of Berf's recent play could just be logic fail on his part, and perhaps desperation in the form of pointing fingers at everyone else. More importantly tho, is his claim. Sonja is a pretty solid claim. Now that we know that characters from any of the Underworld movies can be used, it's pretty clear to me that Sonja will be in the game most likely (unless RTE took out a major role here or there to give as a safe claim to mafia, but from where I'm sitting that doesn't look likely).

 

So, Unvote for now.

 

Vote Turin. I still have a strong belief that Turin is scum, and most likely Viktor. Do I take it that I will have to fully present a case on him again to convince yall?

[hazelkrs1]

If there's only 1 mafia left to Lynch ... I really don't see your problem with the above idea. Unless you have Character you really don't want to reveal.

 

AND ... perhaps you are deliberately misinterpreting me - or you are just being dense - but I think you may be Victor? Savvy?

 

And I had just woken up and wanted to check if you were just messing about with the claim or not - which is why I didn't go straight in with the What are you on about? Why would you watch Peace? Watchers don't even follow so you are clearly talking out of your behind and if you were going to Follow anyone surely you would have followed the person you thought was mafia? Yeah so I didn't do that - but I did want to check.

 

Obvious joke was obvious. Kicking puppies? And you know my position on soft-claiming.

 

And I can tell you with complete unequivocation that I am not Viktor.

 

We've got 7 probable Towns and only 4 Unknowns.

 

And you are now saying I'm anti Town for pointing that out. Very interesting.

 

A)7 probable towns is wrong. There could be a LLL in the group, one of them could have a mod-given safe claim.

B)There are still PR's hidden. I will not be a part of any activity that promotes revealing of town PR's. Incredibly anti-town.

C)Mass claims are cheap. I want a good clean win. A good scumhunter shouldn't have to rely on mass claims to figure out who is scum.

 

 

 

D) for Dense. Which your play has been if you honestly arrived at the conclusion that I could be mafia.

[Ithillian Turambar]

D is for Despo ...

 

You are being overly congratulary and assumptive. I never take things like that at face value. In my experience is usually a GF who acts like that because they think they are untouchable.

 

You can keep calling me names though if you like. Well done with that.

[hazelkrs1]

When have I called you names? Care to point out to me where I have?

 

Imo, you have acted willfully obtuse several times this game. You might say you're not taking things at face value, but at some point you have to step back and think if you're just being stubborn. Like when you were letting theme cloud your judgement about Peace. You were straight up convinced he was a SK.

 

But honestly, the thing that bothers me more, and has bothered me about playing in games with you for a while now (when Turin is in the game), is your play with your Bonded. I find it frustrating that you let that bond affect your gameplay so much. You are a much better player when he's not in the game imo. You become completely blind to any questionable behavior for him, and you defend each other at the drop of a hat.

 

I truly feel that you are going at me now because I am convinced Turin is mafia and have become very vocal about that. I really wish you could play with eachother and not let the bond get in the way. I mean that sincerely. I probably shouldn't be posting this, but w/e. It's out there.

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and meh, w/e cause I'm feeling emo and have questionable judgement atm, I'll just go ahead and throw it out there.

 

I'm Alexander Corvinus, and I'm the Doc.

 

Happy now Ithi?

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I think that people often use that as a way to attack my play. It is a distraction technique. If you want to Lynch or get Turin killed then go ahead - I'm just one person. I cannot stop you and in fact I said that it would be fine. Make your case and get it done. I've even said that he hasn't claimed so in an Unknown. He is one of the four we need to look closer at. That four includes you. We get info from you four today and the game is over. No problemo

 

My thoughts on you are purely based on your play and what you have said/done in this game so far. I've made it quite clear why I don't trust you and it's got nothing to do with Turin. Peace vs Turin - Turin seemed more logically correct, so I chose Turin over him. You are using cheap shot tactics to discredit them. You are being quite personal in calling me dense - twice - and now getting all emo about the fact that me and Turin are Bonded. But it's all ok in the Game I guess. If I were Mafia I would be throwing everything I could at you to make you look bad lol

[Ithillian Turambar]

Oh well then ... that wasn't so hard was it.

 

I guess that explains why you were acting so cocky and self congratulary throughout the game lol. You knew you wouldn't be Lynched once you claimed.

 

So now we have three ...

 

and Turin is sleeping

[Ithillian Turambar]

Where's my dead and not dead list?

[hazelkrs1]

Once again, we should NOT move for mass claims. Cheapens the victory.

 

Just vote Turin already Ithi.

[hazelkrs1]

Oh and I'm always self-congratulatory.

 

Why shouldn't I congratulate myself for always helping my team achieve victory?

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Dead people

 

9.Darthe - David - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 1.

 

8.WBK BG - William Corvinus - Mafia Goon - Killed Day 2

14.Dice - Marcus Corvinus - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 2

15.Cloud - Kraven - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 1

 

Claimed People

 

2.Ithi - Eve - Vanilla Town

6.Andrej - Michael - Vanilla Town

7.Peace - Lucian - Town Vig - Cop states is Town

11.Vam Berf - Sonja - Vanilla Town (who is Lucian's Wife that got Killed by Victor in the fil. You really should be nicer to him @ Peace lol)

13. Dap (Player) Raze - Vanilla Town. Raze is second in command to Lucian. If Lucian is Town then Raze probably is too.

10.Hallia - Town Cop - No Character yet

1.Despothera - Alexander Corvinus - Town Doc

 

12.Panchi - Town something as per Hallia - but could be a Godfather Role so can't really trust the view - need character

 

 

 

People that we don't know anything about yet

 

3.Turin - Unknown

4.Chuckles (lolguy) - Unknown

5.Mish - Unknown

 

 

Turin is Turin ... he's been largely absent this Game. Backing me up as usual. I'm not dead. He's not Dead. No kill last night. He's been about - he just hasn't really been posting in the Game. Perhaps trying out a new Lurky Meta lol. Perhaps can't be bothered because the Mafia have been mostly deaded

 

Chuckles ... been blurting out stuff and being emo/trollish. Generally unhelpful and non contributing. Perhaps being grumpy because the Mafia have been mostly deaded.

 

Mish ... very much in agreement with most people. Happy to go along with. Pleasant and telling people off for being narky and mean. All good stuff. I don't see her as being Mafia

 

So ... Chuckles or Turin really.

 

 

Or Panchi ... if there is a Godfather - we can't really trust the View. Need her Character as well really to back it up.

[Ithillian Turambar]

He's sleeping. It feels cheap.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Give over ... I started the Lynches on both the Mafia's that got deaded. You just followed along with my excellent logic.

 

It's a real shame I've been so terrible this game hmmmm?

[Ithillian Turambar]

My Lego Harry Potter game has 157 Characters to choose from ... Claims aren't really going to work lol