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[michellem]

Well Ithi I've said several times that I don't really believe his claim, what more do you want me to say?

 

And no, I'm not using you as a shield trying to say that I can't possibly be mafia since I was second on the lynch. My placement on the train is irrelevent in my belief that you aren't mafia.

 

But fact is, we'll never get rid of the WIFOM surrounding his claim as long as he's alive. Don't you see that we risk loosing even more townies then? If you lynch me, and panda, and even yourself, and all are town... We can either risk loosing 1 townie, or we can keep lynching blindly believing him, risking loosing a lot more townies before we know the truth.

[Smiley73]

I thought you thought that Cloud was Town @ Smiley

 

You said "Cloud: I lean towards Town on him, but he has been under some *ahem* cloud of suspicion almost from the beginning of the game IIRC. He has been all over the place and it seems to me that he makes just too many errors to be mafia who would usually be much more careful about what they say"

 

I did, yes, and I did when I voted him, but his recent posts seem rather suspect to me

 

 

 

 

ah, but it is, your claim and info means enough to lynch at least two mafia consecutively if you are Town, but no one's believing that without a coroner's report, especially not with how you have drawn so much suspicion over the last few days.

 

EDIT: typo

 

Then you might as well lynch BG. His results are more important than mine. 

 

but he is dying of poison anyway.

 

He hasn't died yet, while Despo died in 1.5 Days. He should have died today but he is still alive and walking around. Have you ever thought about the idea that he is actually lying? 

 

why would he lie about being poisoned?

[Ithillian Turambar]

So you don't think that Cloud is Mafia? Or you do think he is Mafia and is Lying and needs to be Lynched. Get down off the fence.

[_CLOUD]

Well Ithi I've said several times that I don't really believe his claim, what more do you want me to say?

 

And no, I'm not using you as a shield trying to say that I can't possibly be mafia since I was second on the lynch. My placement on the train is irrelevent in my belief that you aren't mafia.

 

But fact is, we'll never get rid of the WIFOM surrounding his claim as long as he's alive. Don't you see that we risk loosing even more townies then? If you lynch me, and panda, and even yourself, and all are town... We can either risk loosing 1 townie, or we can keep lynching blindly believing him, risking loosing a lot more townies before we know the truth.

 

Euhm the WIFOM won't go away after I die. Mafia will just gain a majority sooner. All the rest will remain the same. 

 

@ Smiley: to look like Town. He could always say that he was healed or something the next Day. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

So you don't think that Cloud is Mafia? Or you do think he is Mafia and is Lying and needs to be Lynched. Get down off the fence.

That was to Mish, but also to Smiley as well now. It seems like you are being deliberately obtuse in your reasons for voting so that if he does flip Town you will be able to say - ahhh but OI only voted him to clear up the WIFOM.

 

I'm not happy with it and we have more time to make decisions and no need to rush.

 

UNVOTE

[_CLOUD]

Were you perhaps recruited Smiley? First you case me as Town and then you want to get me lynched ASAP. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Is there anyone you won't turn on Cloud? lmao - I almost slammed that vote right back on then hahaha. Just because I've unvoted you doesn't mean I think you are Town.

 

And I also thought you were Town and now think you are Mafia because YOU got bitten, but you have yet to level the accusation at me that you have made against Smiley.

 

I just think that the people voting you you have a bit more oomph and less flannel in their voting reasons, and then I will be happy to see you hang

[_CLOUD]

Well at least you are honest  

[Smiley73]

So you don't think that Cloud is Mafia? Or you do think he is Mafia and is Lying and needs to be Lynched. Get down off the fence.

 

His current defence is all over the place, he is making mistakes and seems rushed, the confidence I had in him is slipping away very quickly.

 

I would not be surprised if he did flip Mafia, I think he is floundering in a net of lies right now and is trying to mount a desperate, and failing defence

 

 

Well Ithi I've said several times that I don't really believe his claim, what more do you want me to say?

 

And no, I'm not using you as a shield trying to say that I can't possibly be mafia since I was second on the lynch. My placement on the train is irrelevent in my belief that you aren't mafia.

 

But fact is, we'll never get rid of the WIFOM surrounding his claim as long as he's alive. Don't you see that we risk loosing even more townies then? If you lynch me, and panda, and even yourself, and all are town... We can either risk loosing 1 townie, or we can keep lynching blindly believing him, risking loosing a lot more townies before we know the truth.

 

Euhm the WIFOM won't go away after I die. Mafia will just gain a majority sooner. All the rest will remain the same. 

 

@ Smiley: to look like Town. He could always say that he was healed or something the next Day. 

 

After Despo didn't get healed? Well maybe you have reason to believe it wasn't by poison

[Ithillian Turambar]

Re Despo: I think the reason he wasn't deaded by the poison is that he was killed during the day by a knife or gun or something - I can't remember exactly.

 

There was a whole argy bargy about whether the poison incapacitated him before he was killed, but his death was NOT due to poison.

 

Are you reading the same game as me? Can anyone find Despo's death scene? Is a little odd that you thought the Poison got him though @ smiley.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Unless I've read that wrong. What exactly did you mean by that @ Smiley. I wish people would just say what they mean instead of being all mysterious about things.

[Smiley73]

Re Despo: I think the reason he wasn't deaded by the poison is that he was killed during the day by a knife or gun or something - I can't remember exactly.

 

There was a whole argy bargy about whether the poison incapacitated him before he was killed, but his death was NOT due to poison.

 

Are you reading the same game as me? Can anyone find Despo's death scene? Is a little odd that you thought the Poison got him though @ smiley.

 

well I thought the poison got him because I don't understand why someone would try to kill a man who was dying anyway

[Ithillian Turambar]

But his scene clearly showed that he did not die of poison. Did you not read the scene, or the other conversations relating to Despo's death?

[Smiley73]

But his scene clearly showed that he did not die of poison. Did you not read the scene, or the other conversations relating to Despo's death?

 

I did, but I never saw those come to a conclusion, besides some FOS'ing thrown around on dice for those symptoms of paralysis. I've still not seen anyone put a possible motive behind why Despo would have been killed like that so I put it down to a flavour piece until something more substantial gets brought up, maybe you have an idea?

[michellem]

Smiley: It has been confirmed that flavour in scenes is intentional.

 

Cloud: The WIFOM will be cleared up by your death; your coroner will tell us if you are lying or not.

 

Ithi: I don't know what Cloud is. I don't trust his claim and I don't like the way he's been playing. I don't know what more you want me to say; that's the truth and I can't really give you anything more...

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

But his scene clearly showed that he did not die of poison. Did you not read the scene, or the other conversations relating to Despo's death?

I did, but I never saw those come to a conclusion, besides some FOS'ing thrown around on dice for those symptoms of paralysis. I've still not seen anyone put a possible motive behind why Despo would have been killed like that so I put it down to a flavour piece until something more substantial gets brought up, maybe you have an idea?

I don't think it was Dice who mentioned the paralysis ... wasn't it Cloud and Turin who had the conversation? Or was it Dice? can someone check that for me pretty please, as I really don't like being able to check facts and just winging it for too long.

 

Turin ... who was it you were discussing the paralysis and not even being a television Doctor with? If it wasn't Dice and was Cloud, like I think, then I'm really not happy with Smiley linking Dice and thus me with that whole conversation. If it was Dice then I'm gonna swing for him when he gets back from his LOLA because that scene was so bloody obvious.

[Smiley73]

 

 

 

But his scene clearly showed that he did not die of poison. Did you not read the scene, or the other conversations relating to Despo's death?

I did, but I never saw those come to a conclusion, besides some FOS'ing thrown around on dice for those symptoms of paralysis. I've still not seen anyone put a possible motive behind why Despo would have been killed like that so I put it down to a flavour piece until something more substantial gets brought up, maybe you have an idea?

I don't think it was Dice who mentioned the paralysis ... wasn't it Cloud and Turin who had the conversation? Or was it Dice? can someone check that for me pretty please, as I really don't like being able to check facts and just winging it for too long.

 

Turin ... who was it you were discussing the paralysis and not even being a television Doctor with? If it wasn't Dice and was Cloud, like I think, then I'm really not happy with Smiley linking Dice and thus me with that whole conversation. If it was Dice then I'm gonna swing for him when he gets back from his LOLA because that scene was so bloody obvious.

 

it was cloud actually, maybe I was thinking of something else dice got heat for... I think that was the interpretation of rand's "no time to explain" vote on Basel

[Smiley73]

and yep Dice made the other case

[michellem]

 

You all do realize that the "man Despo was certain was evil and was chasing" is Kae right? And with him flipping Town, it really starts to add some credence to his case on her. Will think a minute, would like to hear someone else's view on this. And also makes me fear for BG.

 

So far Darthe has included the players genders in the RPs. I don't know if he also included the Mafia's genders in the scenes but if he did then Kae isn't the Poisoner. This of course is pure speculation from my part but it's at least something to think about. 

 

 

>I see I have about a day left if the poison is consistent.

 

Can you investigate Kae this night? I fear that this issue won't resolve itself without an investigation or a lynch. 

 

I'm a little confused that Peter would be town based on the wiki report on him. Perhaps he really was recruitable. again pure speculation on my part.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Plogojowitz

 

That there seems to be no evidence in his report that he was turned(or even in the process of being turned) but it could be he wasn't a vamp yet because he didn't finish dying from the poison. I dunno. But to say Kae is definitely mafia because Despo thought so is flawed logic. Since he was vanilla he obviously didn't have a view or anything like that. The sketchiest thing I remember on Kae was that she failed to post a vote when she was going to be gone through deadline D1

 

Since Darthe still shows me voting the dead guy, unvote, Vote Dice

 

This post pings a little to me. I think that it would show in Despo's role if he was recruitable or not. Arguing if Despo became a vampire just before he died only creates unnecessary WIFOM. 

 

Wait, but did he die from poison? He was stabbed, he didn't die of the poison. It almost looks like a day vig. I dunno, the only game I've played with poison was the Hobbit-game and there it was specifially said that the one person who got poisoned, died from poison. I don't know if I'm reading too much into the scene.

 

Going to bed, hoping to be more back to normal tomorrow evening.

 

He was paralyzed by the poison and then finished off with a stab of a dagger. I thought that this was pretty clear.

 

but i am Town.

 

Everyone in here is Town

 

Ithi's writing is totally different from Dice's. I think it isn't wise to go with the train on Dice/Ithi for now. 

 

 

 

 

 

Cloud brought up paralysis.

 

 

Len tried very hard to get us to ignore the flavor in the scenes. Cloud is trying to confuse the flavour. Coincidence? I hardly think so.

[Turin Turambar]

Two points for clarity. Despo did nit die from poison. Cloud was the one that brought up paralysis.

 

Smiley, what other case are referring to wth dice?

[Smiley73]

Two points for clarity. Despo did nit die from poison. Cloud was the one that brought up paralysis.

 

Smiley, what other case are referring to wth dice?

 

 

 

2 JOATS??  hmmm  

 

I think Rand viewed Basel but never bothered to explain

 

vote Basel

  

 

the coding will probably mess up but this post is his idea

 

EDIT: fixed quote

[Ithillian Turambar]

Oh I remember him saying that ... the two joats thing. In my notes I wrote, Didn't he play Darthe's GoT Game - why is he surprised by that?! lol.

 

Are you suspicious of me Smiley? ... I'm just wondering why you brought up stuff that Dice did.

[Smiley73]

Are you suspicious of me Smiley? ... I'm just wondering why you brought up stuff that Dice did.

 

Just wondering why you took the stance you did because of what Dice had said before, but obviously I got it wrong, am I suspicious of you? Nah, you're just being Ithi, take it as a compliment, Dice was a little suspect with that other case I brought up but there are obviously other things to be dealt with.

 

I'm fine with the scene meaning that Des was killed before the poison got him, but I still lack a motive, mafia knew he was a dead man walking, hell they're probably the ones who poisoned him, which leaves another JoAT/(day?) vig/maybe a SK to do the killing, but again I don't know why

[michellem]

The poisons could also be from a third party member

[Turin Turambar]

Lenlo flipped mafia day doc. So his job was to protect the vamps from day kills from vigs. I would wager all the town vig shots are day. I would also wager there are more out there. Not sure if 2 would be enough to have a doc to offset.

 

I still think that tress or possibly Kaylee is best way to go today. I highly doubt that all the mafia were on the hoof lynch. They are the most likely based on numbers.

 

I really don't like the people saying town can afford to mislynch today. How do you know? We are down 5 town for 1 mafia, with the high possibility of recruiting.

Even Darthe has said times were getting desperate.

 

Finally, cloud, why are you unwilling to die for town? If you are town and your death gives confirmation to your results it will help town considerably.