[BASIC] A Wrinkle in Time Mafia - GAME OVER! TOWN WINS.

[michellem]

Just did a re-read to get a fresh view on everyone; my gut was telling me the remaining scum, but I wanted to be sure, because my gut has not been reliable in this game... And what I'm left with is the same as when I started it: TG and Des' claims ring true with their play, and Rand is the one who is lying.

 

I still can't make up my mind about the "claim" Rand had at the beginning of the game. At the time I wrote it off as a joke, but now I'm starting to wonder if it was him taking advantage of everybody bringing up the joke if he's scum, and did it hoping everybody would write him off as town because of it. Hell, I fell for it. I know he's not It, Len was, but I still think it was perhaps a very smart play to make him seem townie; no scum would admit to being scum at the start of a game...

 

He's also been posting very little of his own thoughts as far as I can see, more agreeing with others. He is also the one who's always been asking for claims. He asked both TG and Tina to post their chars after they claimed. He also stated he found me scummy on D3, but never explained why, and didn't do so either when the quote was brought up again now. It's very easy to throw out a "this person is scummy", it's alot harder to make up reasons.

 

 

 

So they do have a RBer. Mish, you said you were targeted on day 2. The only reason mafia would RB a vig was of they didn't want the kill sent in. Mafia would want a town dead, so they would only RB if vig targeted scum, which means that Mish is scum. Do we know who Tina targeted on any other odd nights? Despo, you claimed Charles right? Mish have you claimed yet? I am ready to claim if necessary.

 

Like I mentioned, in hindsight, he's setting me up here. If he's town, he would have just claimed outright, what he did here was set me up so he could make me seem like the fake.

 

Well Tina didn't mention until D3 that she targeted me, I had no idea she would do so. I'm Dr. Murry, vanilla. I have no knowledge of the source material so I don't know who he is.

 

I gave him a gift package here, both claiming and admitting I have no knowledge of the material. Please notice that I wrote "I don't know who he is", like I said I automatically assumed Dr. Murray was a man.

 

Ok so far we have claims

 

TGlems: Doctor - Aunt Beast [99.99999999999999% confirmed]

Despo: Charles Wallace - Vanilla Town (pretty important canon character)

Mish: Dr. or Mrs. Murry - Vanilla Town (not that important in storyline, only showed in first few chapters and last chapter)

Rand: Mr. Murry - Dad who they rescue, can tesseract, helps kids escape from IT - somewhat important

 

I think we can all agree that TG is town. This leaves us to two choices for the three of us, an three choices for TG. However, Charles Wallace is too main of a character to be left out, so I think that he is safe. This leaves Mish who is Mrs. Murry and me is Mr. Murry. In the storyline, Mr. Murry is more important and actually does something important, which is why I think its Mish. Also, the Dr. Murry thing sounds like a fake claim to me. But going beyond the claims, Mish was definitely targeted the night that Tina was blocked. This means that Mish must have RBed Tina somehow, which mafia would only do if vig was targeting mafia. Therefore, again Mish must be mafia. So for these reasons, vote Mish

 

So then Rand follows up with this, making my character into a she, wich I didn't understand at all at first, but when I saw on wikipedia that both the parents had a Dr. in front of their name, it made more sense. Discrediting me for all it's worth, trying to make it seem like I claimed a smaller role so he would have the most legitimate claim and most important character according to canon. And then he turns around and accuses me for doing that very thing.

[hazelkrs1]

So I was doing an exhaustive reread of the entire thread (seriously, I had 25 quotes selected, which for 23 pages is pretty impressive), but then as I was finishing up I was somewhat disheartened because both Rand and Mish had stuff that could go against them. Rand had more against him, but Mish didn't start out the game, and WBK didn't really post that much.

 

Then I realized this was actually somewhat simple.

 

1. The main thing which led me to believe Rand was mafia was this number right here:

 

Darthe unvote now! Mafia can speed lynch! Tina, vote now, best chance we have.

 

vote Lenlo

 

I could show you more if I had kept all of the quotes, but there was definitely an apparent connection between Darthe and Rand throughout the game (another example is that Darthe voted Basel near the end of day 2 to "consolidate", but Rand has the same number of votes as Basel at the time).

 

2. Every time Rand gave a list of people he suspected, it was all people who have been confirmed townies or TG

 

3. He went with the RB'er idea pretty quickly, and said it made sense in canon. A RB'er can make sense in pretty much ANY storyline, all someone has to do is thwart someone else's actions or use magic or be a good swordfighter or something

 

4. Knowing we were in mylo, he voted first, and never really considered me for a lynch at all, saying my claim made sense. After asking for Mish's claim, he then dissected it and tried to say why it was weak.

 

But hold on a second folks...

 

Yeah gj screwing the pooch on that one Tina. You'll be yet more proof of how a reckless vig can hurt town more than help it. Once again, gj.

 

 

Oh, and you just shot Charles Wallace Murphy btw. Epic fail.

 

I messed up and put Murphy instead of Murry (alright, so I wanted to claim that I spelled the name wrong on purpose to try and set up a trap, but alas I am too honest. Or apparently even my subconcious is a sneaky bastard and it was planned all along! Bwahahaha!!! )

 

Mish then claims Dr. Murry

 

Ok so far we have claims

 

TGlems: Doctor - Aunt Beast [99.99999999999999% confirmed]

Despo: Charles Wallace - Vanilla Town (pretty important canon character)

Mish: Dr. or Mrs. Murry - Vanilla Town (not that important in storyline, only showed in first few chapters and last chapter)

Rand: Mr. Murry - Dad who they rescue, can tesseract, helps kids escape from IT - somewhat important

 

I think we can all agree that TG is town. This leaves us to two choices for the three of us, an three choices for TG. However, Charles Wallace is too main of a character to be left out, so I think that he is safe. This leaves Mish who is Mrs. Murry and me is Mr. Murry. In the storyline, Mr. Murry is more important and actually does something important, which is why I think its Mish. Also, the Dr. Murry thing sounds like a fake claim to me. But going beyond the claims, Mish was definitely targeted the night that Tina was blocked. This means that Mish must have RBed Tina somehow, which mafia would only do if vig was targeting mafia. Therefore, again Mish must be mafia. So for these reasons, vote Mish

 

Here's where Rand votes Mish. Notice how he gets it right and puts Murry?

 

Sidenote: Mish was already kind of talking about this, but to reinforce- in the books and in most plot descriptions, etc, the father is listed as Dr. Murry. I haven't seen him ONCE in the books as being called Mr. Murry, whereas he is called Dr. Murry many times. Rand is right in that the mom, while still a doctor, is a more minor character, but it kinda seems like he was bending claims around to make it look like Mish had claimed the mom when she even stated in her original claim that she thought it was a man.

 

Back to my point-

 

Ok, few things to cover.

 

Canon - Yes we are both Murphy parents. However, in the books Mr. Murphy is the whole reason they go on the quest, Mr. Murphy also teaches the kids how to defeat IT, and also tesseracts them away from IT as well. He then accidentally brings them to Aunt beast where they continue their journey. Mrs. Murphy makes food, acknowledges the existence of a tesseract, and helps Meg feel good about herself. Obvious distinction in importance.

 

Roleblocker - Firstly, I concede this point on Mish, since I was unaware that Tina said it after night. However, Mish's point about me conceding to the roleblocker doesn't make sense. If I actually was mafia and knew or even was the roleblocker, I would try to deflect attention from that idea, just like cult tries to deflect the idea of a cult. I agreed with it because in a basic game it is one of the mpst common roles you can have that can make a vig kill fail. The only other basic role that I can think of that would do that would be a BPV, and I would hope that Mish would tell us if she had one of those. Also, canon doesn't fit that role.

 

Darthe - As you already said, from Darthe's original post I thought we were at LyLo and didn't bother to check. This would mean that all mafia would need is one townie to vote another townie and then the rest of the mafia could speed lynch that townie and win. That's why I assumed Darthe was town, because in the worst case scenario, mafia could have speed lynched. Later I found out that this wasn't true and corrected myself.

 

 

So now Rand is claiming Mr. Murphy instead of Mr. Murry! And it's not just once in there, it's multiple times.

 

I know what you're thinking, he could have just gotten confused for a sec, right?

 

My role PM specifically states Dr. Alex Murry father of Charles and Meg. Now that I know you're lying about yours, I can feel completely comfortable with my vote. Nice that you switched up your claim near the end so that it is just who is right not who has the weaker claim. now you can escape all my canon arguments too.

 

Yet he apparently had checked his role pm cause he says it specifically states Dr. Alex Murry. But if Rand is so well versed in the canon, and if he was looking at claims so carefully, why would he A) not call me out on saying Murphy instead of Murry and B) say Murphy himself?!

 

I'll be honest, the fact that Mish did all this checking, when she could have just as easily checked her role pm out for herself again, since if she is Dr. Murry I think it would state plainly that she IS the father of the Murry children, is a little strange to me. But, Rand has so much more against him, and I'm willing to believe that Mish might just have simply glanced over her role pm and remembered the name, not thinking about anything else since she doesn't know the storyline. Plus, Rand pushed her for her claim before he used his.

 

I hate how many loops I've thrown myself through for this moment, but Mish, if you really are scum, well played. I don't think you would have openly defended Lenlo like that day 2 if you were his teammate.

 

Vote Rand

 

TG, you don't necessarily have to follow along with my reasoning. If you feel different, please tell me so, cause I have seriously been stressing about this vote lol. Good luck everyone! (except for scum, they can DIAF)

[hazelkrs1]

And now yall know the curse of having a mind that tries to boil everything down to logic too often in mafia.

 

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Mish (1) - Rand

Rand (2) - Mish, Despo

 

 

Not voting: TGlems

 

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

 

==========

 

Deadline for Day Five is Tuesday, November 27, at 8PM MST:

http://timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20121127T20&p0=197&msg=DAY+FIVE+DEADLINE

[RandA lThor]

*facepalm* You're voting me because I said Murphy instead or Murry? I don't know whether it was autocorrect, or just random forgetfullness, but I don't even know what your point is by that. Thats like saying that Mish said he when it could have been a she. That's so small. And I just read over it.

 

 

here, Desp, my role PM specifically states that I am Dr. Alex Murry, the father of Meg and Charles Wallace as well as the twins, Dennys and Sandy. An actual role PM would state whether the person was a male or a female, not just randomly say Dr. Murry without any specification on the gender. That is how you can tell that I am the real claim. The reason I assumed it was a she was because I thought she had been given a fake claim and that was the only claim left. Now that I know that she is claiming the father, I know she is lying.

 

The 3 other things you vote me on, both you and Mish. Even though I know Mish will keep voting me as that is the only option she has to look town, I will rebuttal the points anyways.

 

1. I suspected Mish because of the vig thing because I didn't have the correct timeline, as soon as I realized I was wrong, I stopped attacking her on that.

 

2. My "funny roleclaim" was a joke that I put. If I was honestly mafia, would I ever draw that much attention to myself?

 

3. I have already explained my Darthe one, your choice to believe me on that one, but thats the truth.

[hazelkrs1]

*facepalm* You're voting me because I said Murphy instead or Murry? I don't know whether it was autocorrect, or just random forgetfullness, but I don't even know what your point is by that. Thats like saying that Mish said he when it could have been a she. That's so small. And I just read over it.

 

 

here, Desp, my role PM specifically states that I am Dr. Alex Murry, the father of Meg and Charles Wallace as well as the twins, Dennys and Sandy. An actual role PM would state whether the person was a male or a female, not just randomly say Dr. Murry without any specification on the gender. That is how you can tell that I am the real claim. The reason I assumed it was a she was because I thought she had been given a fake claim and that was the only claim left. Now that I know that she is claiming the father, I know she is lying.

 

The thing is, I want to believe you Rand, cause I think the way Mish went about claiming and then being confused about the gender is strange too, but then again you could have easily gotten all that extra stuff from either a wiki or cause you know the canon really well. And when I went through the reread, you just pinged more than Mish. There was much more that tied you to Darthe and Kae. You were also votehopping a lot day 1. Plus, if you knew that the game was in mylo, you would know how it would look if you voted first, which you did after making a convoluted point about claims that didn't really make much sense. The majority of your "case" against Mish had to do with her claim and the fact that Tina apparently tried to kill her.

 

However, Mish has been a bit quiet since I cast my vote, and I would have expected her to at least comment on my post if she was town, thankful that I had pointed out other stuff about you. That could be because she's trying to play as carefully as possible to get that last vote from TG. That and the fact that there are still some questions regarding her from my reread as well, and I'm always distrustful of replacements, will lead me to unvote.

 

I feel like this should be more obvious, but I really don't want to make a mistake here. Sorry for my wishywashiness everyone

 

The 3 other things you vote me on, both you and Mish. Even though I know Mish will keep voting me as that is the only option she has to look town, I will rebuttal the points anyways.

 

1. I suspected Mish because of the vig thing because I didn't have the correct timeline, as soon as I realized I was wrong, I stopped attacking her on that.

 

2. My "funny roleclaim" was a joke that I put. If I was honestly mafia, would I ever draw that much attention to myself?

 

3. I have already explained my Darthe one, your choice to believe me on that one, but thats the truth.

 

This didn't do anything for me at all Rand. I've barely focused or even mentioned these three things at all. But I'll respond nonetheless.

 

1. I didn't really talk about this point at all. But since you brought it up, the way you so graciously asked for her to fetch the quotes for you seemed off to me, I didn't understand why you were going out of your way to ask so nicely about that when you had just voted her. And don't give me any stuff bout you just being polite, you know my feelings about politeness in mafia.

 

2. I never really talked about your joke at the beginning of the game much. But once again, since you brought it up, that is a really weak statement to make. "I would never do that if I was mafia" has been explained to be an awful statement many times in mafia games, since a mafioso can do w/e they wish if they wanted to create wifom. You can't expect me to think that no mafioso has ever tried joke-claiming a scummy character just to be funny while also trying to look townie by reverse logic.

 

3. What you've explained about the Darthe thing numerous times is that you thought it was in lylo or something, and that mafia could speedlynch. This doesn't even really hold up because there are many ways you could have checked to see the number of votes needed, but regardless, you never answered this: Why did you instantly believe that Darthe was town there? You didn't express any kind of distrust towards him, you just bought that because he apologized for voting if he was wrong, that he was town. You didn't even acknowledge the fact that Darthe had voted for Peace, who had just claimed cop with a guilty viewing on someone.

[hazelkrs1]

Unvote

 

Rand: You need to answer my question about Darthe more specifically, as in review what I just said about the situation, and perhaps address other points I raised against you in my other post, instead of answering things I never really focused on. Also, a better case about Mish, something that doesn't have to do with claims or Tina trying to kill her, since Tina didn't say she would target Mish before she did.

 

Mish: You need to talk a bit more again, and explain why you looked at wiki's and everything, when you could have just as easily looked at your role pm and told Rand that YOU were the father and that he was twisting stuff around.

 

TG: You NEED to get your butt in here and tell me what you're thinking, since I obviously think it comes down to Mish or Rand. I don't want to have to make the decision all by myself.

 

Tress, perhaps some pokeage on TG mebbe?

[hazelkrs1]

Grrr I keep forgetting

 

Unvote

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Mish (1) - Rand

Rand (1) - Mish

 

 

Not voting: TGlems, Despo

 

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

 

==========

 

Deadline for Day Five is Tuesday, November 27, at 8PM MST:

http://timeanddate.c...Y FIVE DEADLINE

[hazelkrs1]

Little less than a day. What time is TG usually active?

 

Sorry to take so long on this last vote Tress, just really don't wanna screw this up

[Songstress]

*nods* We have close to 24 hours left, and I have it on good authority that TG will not fail to give his input.

[RandA lThor]

Unvote

 

Rand: You need to answer my question about Darthe more specifically, as in review what I just said about the situation, and perhaps address other points I raised against you in my other post, instead of answering things I never really focused on. Also, a better case about Mish, something that doesn't have to do with claims or Tina trying to kill her, since Tina didn't say she would target Mish before she did.

 

Mish: You need to talk a bit more again, and explain why you looked at wiki's and everything, when you could have just as easily looked at your role pm and told Rand that YOU were the father and that he was twisting stuff around.

 

TG: You NEED to get your butt in here and tell me what you're thinking, since I obviously think it comes down to Mish or Rand. I don't want to have to make the decision all by myself.

 

Tress, perhaps some pokeage on TG mebbe?

 

My first two were actually targeted towards Mish, which is why you hadn't brought them up that much.

 

1. I know you don't like politeness in mafia, but I do sometimes, especially when I am asking someone else to do work for me.

 

2. This point was not to say that this was a town tell but a null tell. The point of this statement was to point out the WIFOM and say how that doesn't prove anything.

 

These first two were more for Mish.

 

3. I realize there were a bunch of ways to check whether we were in lylo, but at that specific time, I was in too much of a rush to check since I was going crazy about mafia hammering since I pulled that off in the BT game. Also, I believed that Darthe was town because I was looking in the worst case scenario which in my mind, mafia could speed lynch. That was my version of better safe than sorry.

[hazelkrs1]

Also, I believed that Darthe was town because I was looking in the worst case scenario which in my mind, mafia could speed lynch. That was my version of better safe than sorry.

 

Try to explain this better Rand. This still doesn't make any sense to me. Why assume he hadn't voted yet? Why assume him to be town when his vote post was so uberscummy? Why not bring up the fact that he had voted Peace, who claimed cop? Why did you keep pushing lynches on townies early in the game? My scumdar might have been slightly off earlier, but I always had at least one scum on my lists. You never had any, only town on yours.

 

Will you be able to do a case on Mish tonight before you go to bed? If you answer these questions well enough, and make some convincing arguments about Mish, I would prob consider voting her tonight

[RandA lThor]

Also, I believed that Darthe was town because I was looking in the worst case scenario which in my mind, mafia could speed lynch. That was my version of better safe than sorry.

 

Try to explain this better Rand. This still doesn't make any sense to me. Why assume he hadn't voted yet? Why assume him to be town when his vote post was so uberscummy? Why not bring up the fact that he had voted Peace, who claimed cop? Why did you keep pushing lynches on townies early in the game? My scumdar might have been slightly off earlier, but I always had at least one scum on my lists. You never had any, only town on yours.

 

Will you be able to do a case on Mish tonight before you go to bed? If you answer these questions well enough, and make some convincing arguments about Mish, I would prob consider voting her tonight

 

Uh, kind of confused with a lot of these questions sorry. Assume who hadn't voted yet? I think you mean mafia by this. As I said, I was going under the worst possible assumption, basically better safe then sorry. And yeah, again, I assumed town, better safe then sorry. I saw no reason to bring that up, didn't make any relevance for me since we had a claimed maf read. My scumdar isn't that good, and some of the townies were acting scummy, you have played longer then me, and are a better player, which is why you had a scum on your list.

[hazelkrs1]

I did mean mafia in the first question. My bad.

 

Will you be able to make a case on Mish tonight?

[RandA lThor]

I did mean mafia in the first question. My bad.

 

Will you be able to make a case on Mish tonight?

 

I have a 90 page history outline which is due in a week, so most likely no, sorry.

[Tyler Glembo]

Alright all, sorry this took me so long, tonight was poker night and I wanted to give this a lot of thought before jumping in. That said, I am first posting a bunch of quotes with my thoughts and then my Day by Day thoughts. I won't vote yet because I want Despo to look over my thoughts and add to them.

 

Well, to get it moving, someone has to do something suspicious.

 

Rand, that's your cue.

Hey Rand, are you scum?

 

*sigh* Fine. I am IT. Go.

 

I see the theme about Rand knowing the source material very well. I'll bring this up a couple times as I feel it is relevant.

 

Yeah I can understand this. unvote vote Kae for weak bandwagoning.

 

Rand was the first to bring a case against Kae/Lenlo and the first to vote her. Distancing or good scumhunting?

I just went back and re-read WBK's posts and I'm going to buy his explanation, it seems valid. I'm not going to vote on the bandwagon Kae, though. WBK's initial post that both Kae and I misread is written a bit confusingly, so I think her misreading of it sounds legit. Unvote.

 

The thing that gets me is that even after she was given a chance to reread and see a perfectly fine explanation that makes sense with the scenario, she still keeps her vote on him, like she wants to keep it there until deadline comes so she can go "Oh, we have to consolidate."

 

Rand continues to go after Kae/Lenlo.

Very well. Until Kae is replaced I am going to unvote and take a look at the interactions of WBK/Mish, TG, and Des. I think between those three their is some good info

 

I changed the names here but Darthe is trying to link Mish, myself and Despo. This is without voting as though laying suspicion for later lynches.

Mrs. Who is vanila town? She's so awesome though!

Again, Rand knows the source material well.

I think Rand is the best bet today. I didnt mention it in my first post, but I dont like Rand's villain claim thing. Whether or not it was a joke or was meant to be a different character it just doesnt look right to me.

 

He also didnt vote yesterday which leaves a bad feeling in me.

 

Vote Rand

 

Lenlo goes after Rand early on. Perhaps mafia team thought that Lenlo was going to be lynched and so were trying to distance themselves? Darthe was 3rd to vote Kae so I would think it had to come up in the QT.

 

Well in that case.... You're such a great player Des and I admire you so much *flutters eyelashes*

 

I'd forgotten you were mafia in The Great Hunt-game actually. And I didn't play in the two others :P

 

 

I'm wondering about Basels reply... If he's not mafia, then he just paints himself in a bad light by answering like that. Well, he paints himself in a bad light no matter his allecience. It's not really a post that demanded a reply. But the reply felt iffy.

 

Mish flattering Des and flattery will get you everywhere.

 

I'll definetly be keeping a close eye on Lenlo. But I do think it's unfair to lynch a replacement on their first day solely on the actions on the person they replaced.

 

Here Mish defends Lenlo very openly. If Darthe was alredy voting Kae and not defending, why would Mish defend? Seems weird.

TG can you give character as well, since you already revealed your role?

 

Rand asks for role.

Darthe unvote now! Mafia can speed lynch! Tina, vote now, best chance we have.

 

vote Lenlo

 

I'm willing to overlook this as it doesn't ping me as hard as some other stuff.

I´m sorry but I´m too tired to look for those quotes now, Mish. I hope I can do it tomorrow. Kind of stressed right now.

 

Please discuss my nk. We are 7 players. We have to presume 5 town and 2 mafia. Tomorrow it will be 4 town and 2 mafia. I think I can afford to kill tonight. If I kill the wrong person then we are 3 - 2 anyway. But probably I will just be blocked.

 

Here Tina discusses her NK again, promising to do it. Mafia (I would think) would have no way of knowing she was even-night. I would think mafia would have to assume she would go after Mish again and want to stop her if they had an RBer. They don't have a BPV since they blocked me from protecting Peace.

 

I didn´t say I sent in your name.

 

Here Tina mentions that she might have sent in Mish's name again by saying she may not have sent in Des' name.

Did you ever wonder if you read too deeply into the words said by others? The tone, inflection, little way they chose to squint their eyes or twitch their nose as they presented themselves? We are, after all, highly elaborate presentations. Some of us choose to show us while others simply reveal whatever they want, uncaring as to whether or not it will betray them eventually because currently they simply want you out. Uninvolved. It is very ironic how much strain a social society can put on sociality. That is really what this game is about, examining how to break that gap most effectively. I find myself limited, plagued by the over-analysis and underscoring that I am left with in lieu of seeing you all. It creates a break of sorts, a form of psuedo-judgement that we must all undertake to effectively continue striving for truth in a world absent of it. Hence, I find it admirable when you can collectively do more than blunder your way into success, it is more than amusement. It is quite remarkable. I must go now, so I will sum my thoughts with this: BAH! Go Team!

 

I just wanted to quote this because this post is epic. Kudos to Darthe for playing up the character of IT!

Ok so far we have claims

 

TGlems: Doctor - Aunt Beast [99.99999999999999% confirmed]

Despo: Charles Wallace - Vanilla Town (pretty important canon character)

Mish: Dr. or Mrs. Murry - Vanilla Town (not that important in storyline, only showed in first few chapters and last chapter)

Rand: Mr. Murry - Dad who they rescue, can tesseract, helps kids escape from IT - somewhat important

 

I think we can all agree that TG is town. This leaves us to two choices for the three of us, an three choices for TG. However, Charles Wallace is too main of a character to be left out, so I think that he is safe. This leaves Mish who is Mrs. Murry and me is Mr. Murry. In the storyline, Mr. Murry is more important and actually does something important, which is why I think its Mish. Also, the Dr. Murry thing sounds like a fake claim to me. But going beyond the claims, Mish was definitely targeted the night that Tina was blocked. This means that Mish must have RBed Tina somehow, which mafia would only do if vig was targeting mafia. Therefore, again Mish must be mafia. So for these reasons, vote Mish

 

This pings. Mish specifically said "He" in her role claim. If Rand really was Dr. Alex Murry then I feel as though he should have jumped on that point immediately and voted Mish, instead he waits and says both that he is "Mr. Murry" and that Mish is Dr./Mrs. Murry.

My role PM specifically states Dr. Alex Murry father of Charles and Meg. Now that I know you're lying about yours, I can feel completely comfortable with my vote. Nice that you switched up your claim near the end so that it is just who is right not who has the weaker claim. now you can escape all my canon arguments too.

 

Then he goes on to say his role says Dr. Murry. Immediately after claiming to be Mr. Murry. Strange.

[RandA lThor]

TG, if I was really mafia, I would have wanted her to claim the same character as I did, that would make it easier for me, I just skipped the he part and I thought it was a safe claim, which couldn't be Mr. Murry since I was him, so I thought it was Mrs. Murry.

[hazelkrs1]

You found some good stuff TG, I had all of that stuff in the 29-quote monstrosity I would have done had I not scrapped it.

 

However, it's not exactly clear which way you're leaning, Rand or Mish. Which is it?

[hazelkrs1]

TG, if I was really mafia, I would have wanted her to claim the same character as I did, that would make it easier for me, I just skipped the he part and I thought it was a safe claim, which couldn't be Mr. Murry since I was him, so I thought it was Mrs. Murry.

 

I just don't really buy you thinking her saying she was Dr. Murry meant she was Mrs. Murry, and that you were Mr. Murry when he is stated to be Dr. Murry many many times. And why did you ask for her claim before you did yours?

[Tyler Glembo]

Okay, so here are my other thoughts on why Mish/Rand are mafia.

 

Mish is mafia because we know mafia has a RBer. Tina mentioned that she sent in a night kill and was blocked. She then stated she sent it in on Mish. From the above quotes you see that the next night she said she would send in another NK, maybe on Despo, maybe not. This time Tina was role blocked and killed. During this second possible NK, Rand had no reason to think Tina might target him so if Rand were mafia he would not RB. Mish, however, had reason to be worried and therefore would definitely RB Tina, thus saving herself as she was a likely NK candidate.

 

Rand is mafia because he purposely confuses the roles. Rand points out over and over again how he knows the source material after reading it two years ago. Throughout the game he consistently asks for other peoples claims, never giving his own. Mish claims a Dr. Murry who is a he. Now, if Rand really were Dr. Alex Murry he would have immediately spotted it and jumped on it, letting everyone know Mish's claim was fake. Instead he waits for a page, calling Mish's character Mrs. Murry, and then finally claims that role and try to push a lynch on Mish.

[Tyler Glembo]

You found some good stuff TG, I had all of that stuff in the 29-quote monstrosity I would have done had I not scrapped it.

 

However, it's not exactly clear which way you're leaning, Rand or Mish. Which is it?

 

I could be swayed either way tbh. Right now I'm leaning slightly toward Mish only because the RB thing and blocking Tina the second time seems more solid a case than Rand's role confusion. Also, I could maybe believe Rand was trying to lure mafia out by spotting a fake role claim, especially with his knowledge of source material.

[hazelkrs1]

So... you think both are mafia?

 

Once again, which one are you leaning towards right now, and why them specifically? I know this one is a bit tough, because they both have stuff against them, but I'd like to know which one you're feeling closer to voting at the moment

[hazelkrs1]

Ninja'd, my bad

[hazelkrs1]

Hrmmm. Wayll.... we don't know for sure btw that Tina was RB'ed the night she was killed. She was an even night vig, which means she couldn't submit a kill that night. She still may have been RB'ed, but the lack of a death doesn't prove that.

 

But being that Peace wasn't RB'ed, and mafia didn't try to kill him by first RB'ing you, tells me they prob did RB Tina and kill her just to be safe.

 

That swings me back closer to voting Mish.