Rand doesn't recognize Tuon err

[jsbrads]

Rand sees Tuon hanging with mat and doesn't recognize her. Then he meet with Anath/semirage disguised as Tuon. and the next time he sees Mat in his mind he comments to himself "I wonder who that girl was"

[Rhainur]

Semirhage doesn't necessarily disguise herself as Tuon. She might just be matching Tuon's description (short,dark,shaved head,etc). The sul'dam who come with Semirhage clearly mention that "Anath" ordered them through the hole in the air, meaning that they knew it wasn't Tuon.

[Yosarian]

yeah, I don't think Sermirhage disguised herself as Tuon.

 

I have to say, if I briefly meet someone in one context, and then run into them a few months later in a totally different context (say, at the beach or something), I often have that "where do I know this person from" feeling. I didn't find that part of it at all surprising.

[Luckers]

Semirhage doesn't necessarily disguise herself as Tuon. She might just be matching Tuon's description (short,dark,shaved head,etc). The sul'dam who come with Semirhage clearly mention that "Anath" ordered them through the hole in the air, meaning that they knew it wasn't Tuon.

 

Actually, they say the exact opposite.

 

"We thought she was the High Lady," Falendre said hurriedly, and haltingly at the same time. Her teeth seemed near to chattering, but she forced words out. "We thought we were being honored. She took us to a room in the Tarasin Palace where there was a ... a hole in the air, and we stepped through to this place. I swear it on my eyes! We thought she was the High Lady."

[herid]

Rand sees Tuon hanging with mat and doesn't recognize her. Then he meet with Anath/semirage disguised as Tuon. and the next time he sees Mat in his mind he comments to himself "I wonder who that girl was"

Rand doesn't think of Mat all the time. I don't remember any scenes where he sees Mat with Tuon after the Semi meeting.

Also, Tuon looked pretty different when she was with Mat. She had hair for one thing. And Semi was wearing a veil when posing as Tuon. Those things make a difference. When Rand meets Tuon in tGS he comments on that

 

The Dragon Reborn gaped, then shut his mouth. "I remember now," he said softly. "I saw you. With him. I did not connect you to that face. Mat . . . what have you been doing?"

--tGS, ch 35

What's more problematic is that when sees the real Tuon in that same scene in tGS he is surprised by her appearance. He should not be because Semi was wearing Tuon's face as a disguise when she was captured.

[Rasmus Nielsen]

Rand sees Tuon hanging with mat and doesn't recognize her. Then he meet with Anath/semirage disguised as Tuon. and the next time he sees Mat in his mind he comments to himself "I wonder who that girl was"

Rand doesn't think of Mat all the time. I don't remember any scenes where he sees Mat with Tuon after the Semi meeting.

Also, Tuon looked pretty different when she was with Mat. She had hair for one thing. And Semi was wearing a veil when posing as Tuon. Those things make a difference. When Rand meets Tuon in tGS he comments on that

 

The Dragon Reborn gaped, then shut his mouth. "I remember now," he said softly. "I saw you. With him. I did not connect you to that face. Mat . . . what have you been doing?"

--tGS, ch 35

What's more problematic is that when sees the real Tuon in that same scene in tGS he is surprised by her appearance. He should not be because Semi was wearing Tuon's face as a disguise when she was captured.

 

That's because that's when he remembers seeing her with Mat, not remembers seeing her. It's like how you meet someone, and don't realize you've met them before, then the next time you meet them, you remember you met them before the last time you met them. It happens all the time, especially to people who meet A LOT of people. (Such as Rand)

[herid]

I think you misunderstood my last point. The thing with Mat is natural and I said as much. I don't mean that at all in the last part. In KOD Rand went to meet Toun as the Daughter of the Nine Moons. He knew who he was going to meet and she was described to him in great detail beforehand.

As he reached the three-quarter point, another woman stepped into the doorway, very dark and very small, dressed in pleated white, her head covered by a transparent scarf that fell over her face. The Daughter of the Nine Moons. She had been described to Bashere right down to her shaven head.

--KoD, ch 27

Semi was pretending to be Tuon here so Rand not only had the description but also saw what Tuon ought to look like.

Later in tGS when he goes to meet the real Tuon he is surprised by her appearance the moment he sees her. This is well before the subject of Mat comes up.

Was this the Daughter of the Nine Moons? This child? Rand frowned as they approached, but realized that she wasn't actually a child, just a very small woman. Dressed in black clothing, she had dark skin, like one of the Sea Folk. There were gray-white ashes on the cheeks of her calm, round face. Upon close inspection, she appeared to be near his own age.

--ch 35

My point was that Rand should not be surprised here. He had a detailed description of Tuon and actually sort of saw her in person (when Semi was impersonating her) and knew who he was looking at at both times.

[Sid]

herid is right. He shouldn't be surprised at what she looks like. It's another inconsistency from the author change, though in the whole scheme of things it's comparatively minor in that it doesn't really affect future plot points like some others do. Should still be fixed IMO, though.

[capeta]

I was recently listening to knife of dreams again and realized there are several points in the Sanderson books where he missed information from knife of dreams.

 

The seanchan general told Perrin all about the white cloaks and how Gallad killed Valda and that Galad was now leading them, but in the last book perrin had no idea about who was leading the white cloaks.

 

In KoD Elaine thinks on her mother and Linny being dead, but inthe last book she mentions not worrying about Linny.

 

Also in Perrin's musings he thinks of the ashaman telling him that saidin was clean right after the cleansing happened but in the last book there was that whole scene with the ashaman saying it is clean on screen and perrin trusting that it is true as if it is the first time he has heard it.''

 

they are just small oversights happened twice. I had no idea these 3 were in knife of dreams and i had read the book at least twice before TGS.

[Suttree]

yeah, I don't think Sermirhage disguised herself as Tuon.

 

She used MoM to impersonate her. We even have the disguise wavering when Cads breaks the weaves and from the sul'ldams reactions its very clear that she did.

[herid]

@Sid yes, this is a rather minor error and I didn't mean to make a big deal out of it. I only noticed it myself when responding to the issue raised by the original poster and thought that I should mention it.

 

I was recently listening to knife of dreams again and realized there are several points in the Sanderson books where he missed information from knife of dreams.

 

The seanchan general told Perrin all about the white cloaks and how Gallad killed Valda and that Galad was now leading them, but in the last book perrin had no idea about who was leading the white cloaks.

 

In KoD Elaine thinks on her mother and Linny being dead, but inthe last book she mentions not worrying about Linny.

 

Also in Perrin's musings he thinks of the ashaman telling him that saidin was clean right after the cleansing happened but in the last book there was that whole scene with the ashaman saying it is clean on screen and perrin trusting that it is true as if it is the first time he has heard it.''

 

they are just small oversights happened twice. I had no idea these 3 were in knife of dreams and i had read the book at least twice before TGS.

 

good points. the one about the cleansing of saidin has been brought up before but I'm not sure if the other two have been noticed. as Sid says, hopefully these things will be fixed in future editions. a number of mistakes in tGS and TOM have already been corrected this way.

[Yosarian]

yeah, I don't think Sermirhage disguised herself as Tuon.

 

She used MoM to impersonate her. We even have the disguise wavering when Cads breaks the weaves and from the sul'ldams reactions its very clear that she did.

 

(nods) Yeah, you're right. It was pretty clear that she was. I had it mixed up.