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Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

Damn it , I didn't want to have to use this but I am not letting this scum slip through the cracks another day!

Also, Despo I agree completely about the scumtastic and frankly dumb votes on verb.

Use what, there is nothing used.

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

Also, please try to say you performed a night action last night Darthe.

hazelkrs1 · October 19, 2012

Damn it , I didn't want to have to use this but I am not letting this scum slip through the cracks another day!

:blink:

I never claimed to have a viewing, however I cannot speak for Ishy. I am however basing his lack of reactions on being jailed 2 times in a row and not mentioning anything as a pretty good indication that he has something to hide.

Also, Darthe's defense of Verb by saying his ability could be an xhit or whatever makes 0 sense in the fact that he is still blocked even if it's an xhit.

But I don't know that him not saying anything about being jailed really means anything necessarily.

1. You made the assumption earlier that everyone is roled in this game. I don't believe this assumption is true.

2. Even if everyone was roled, not everyone would have to have a role that would be considered active, as in they have to elect to use it

3. Even among active roles, they won't always know if they have been RB'ed or Jailed. If a RB'er sends in a NA on someone, they rarely get a message from the mod saying their action successfully went through.

Not only that, but what about the fact that Verb knew he was being Jailed, but didn't say anything because he DOES have something to hide: that he's a town power role or something.

All this tells me the part of your case that stands on the fact that Verb didn't say anything about being Jailed is pretty much baseless, and unless there's a lot of other stuff you can point out to me that shows Verb to be scummy, I can't say I'd see any reason to join the train on him

I do agree with you about Darthe point tho about the x shot thing, that didn't make any sense.

Vote Ishy. I'm not as convinced of his townieness as Ed is. I still don't like the way he was completely brown-nosing sucking up to Nol. *edited cause disparaging comments about the color brown will not be tolerated*

Forgot to quote this before.

Moar evidence against Basel. EP is confirmed town in my book, and he pretty much confirmed receiving something from Ishy. While I disapprove of the public hints that went on between them, at the same time this gave me a strong town read on Ishy. Yes, he could be mafia trying a sort of gambit to try and buddy up to EP and make himself look cleaner, but I don't really feel this is the case right now, and plus Ishy has been closer to his town meta this game.

My top list for mafia: Razen, BG, Basel, Darthe, Ed, Rand 2.0. Pretty much in that order.

Also, based on what happened Desp, I don't believe it to be a non-town ability. Considering we were given a mafia win condition in thread I don't believe we are dealing with cult, so Ishy is clear in my book.

That's good to know. I figured as much, but having this somewhat confirmed just makes me that much more suspicious of Basel.

Also, please try to say you performed a night action last night Darthe.

It def seems like he was hinting at a day ability...

ed2funy · October 19, 2012

Here's the problem with your vote on Verb Ed: You keep saying the only reason your vote is on Verb is because you think Ishy and EP may have some info that led them to vote Verb.... this is just plain wrong bro. And the way you keep trying to shuck it as the truth is annoying.

EP is a Jailer, but he has been suspicious of Verb pretty much most of the game, at least well before last night. Ishy did hint at giving EP something, and I don't really care what it is, but the point is there is NOTHING to indicate that the gift had anything to do with a viewing or ANYTHING like that about Verbal. He voted Verb as well cause he has a town read on EP, so decided to go along with EP's instincts.

Basically, there is nothing to indicate that EITHER of them obtained any info about Verb last night. Yet you keep trying to pretend like they might have hinted towards something, or have something going on between them which has led them to casing Verbal. This is bullshanks.

As I said before, try supplying an actual reason for YOU to be voting Verbal, other than you just trying to go along with the "info" that EP and Ishy have, which I don't believe exists. Otherwise it just looks like scum trying to bandwagon on to someone else and pretend like they thought the person they were following had NA info which they never hinted at.

Here is the problem with your logic, Despo: See the end of this post.

I didn't say it was a viewing. There are other ways of determining who are mafia.

The fact is, there are two people whom I believe to be town, and they both sit strongly against a player. And they both hinted at some occurrence last night, which just might be the nail in Verb's coffin.

I could care less what it looks like or what you're portraying it as. :tongue:

Speaking of which, there's something else which leads me to believe that BG is much more likely to be scum than Verb:

Official Vote Count:

BG (4) – darthe, Cyan, Des, peace

Verb (6) – Ishy, EP, Eddie, Razen, BG, Rand 2.0

Ishy (1) – Basel

Song (1) – NS

JLM (1) – Red

Red (1) - dice

Not voting (6) - Kaylee, Songs, Snow, Verb, Mish, JLM

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

No deadline yet.

The bolded are the names of people that have pinged me for one reason or another, and you notice that Verb's train has MUCH more of these people than BG's train? Eddie has been off his meta from what I have seen, and has pinged otherwise for a variety of reasons, and ever since I first started talking about his behavior being suspicious, he has since come out against me in many posts.

[...]

This tells me mafia REALLY doesn't want BG lynched. Pile on BG people. If you need any extra encouragement, too many people have forgotten just how wily BG can be as mafia. Don't let him escape a lynch for the third time!

And the next issue is you have the people who YOU find scummy. Which, I for one know is wrong, since I'm not mafia. So, therefore your little show and tell with the Vote Count here is completely useless.

Not that I disagree with you on BG. But your reasoning here is just stupid. Don't impose your thoughts onto the whole game and try to play it out like everyone you think is mafia is in fact mafia.

Also, ha. That isn't why I'm going after you. Though, I doubt you really know my meta. Because...again, if you think I'm scum and are using meta as part of it, you're wrong about it. :tongue:

And if he flips scum, Song and Despo needs some looking at.

More like when BG flips scum, you'll need more looking at.

:wub: @ you

Vote Ishy. I'm not as convinced of his townieness as Ed is. I still don't like the way he was completely brown-nosing sucking up to Nol. *edited cause disparaging comments about the color brown will not be tolerated*

Forgot to quote this before.

Moar evidence against Basel. EP is confirmed town in my book, and he pretty much confirmed receiving something from Ishy. While I disapprove of the public hints that went on between them, at the same time this gave me a strong town read on Ishy. Yes, he could be mafia trying a sort of gambit to try and buddy up to EP and make himself look cleaner, but I don't really feel this is the case right now, and plus Ishy has been closer to his town meta this game.

My top list for mafia: Razen, BG, Basel, Darthe, Ed, Rand 2.0. Pretty much in that order.

So, you agree EP is town and there was interaction between them last night (in the sense of Night Actions)?

But you don't think that is a valid reason to put pressure on Verb.

Ok, Sir Scumalot.

Darthe · October 19, 2012

Damn it , I didn't want to have to use this but I am not letting this scum slip through the cracks another day!

I never claimed to have a viewing, however I cannot speak for Ishy. I am however basing his lack of reactions on being jailed 2 times in a row and not mentioning anything as a pretty good indication that he has something to hide.

Also, Darthe's defense of Verb by saying his ability could be an xhit or whatever makes 0 sense in the fact that he is still blocked even if it's an xhit.

But I don't know that him not saying anything about being jailed really means anything necessarily.

1. You made the assumption earlier that everyone is roled in this game. I don't believe this assumption is true.

2. Even if everyone was roled, not everyone would have to have a role that would be considered active, as in they have to elect to use it

3. Even among active roles, they won't always know if they have been RB'ed or Jailed. If a RB'er sends in a NA on someone, they rarely get a message from the mod saying their action successfully went through.

Logic, meet brick wall *cues EP*.

Darthe · October 19, 2012

Also, please try to say you performed a night action last night Darthe.

What night action? I have a day ability I just used. No point hiding it, I am a gladiator and just gladiated BG. Who ya gonna vote for nubcake?

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

You. As I said I have gone at you and Verb since day 1 and you even agreed with my reasoning on you.

Darthe · October 19, 2012

I politely refer you to Rule 14. Nuff said on that. BTW folks, this will interest many of you. My ability used to be 1 shot but as of yesterday it was somehow made 2 shot. Inventor possibly? I thought that was a temporary ability increase though.

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

Well since Red is going talking about this in the mafia grievences thread. (which btw is bad juju) let me give a bit of incite that I have gleaned from this whole thing.

Darthe- loves to come at me call my actions illogical. Was also the one that gave me this idea due to a similar scenario by him. No comment from him about the whole thing. Very fishy.

Verb- Unknown entity as of yet gut still telling me not to trust him.

Red- Loves to bulldog possible jesters. Red introduced I may be a jester and backed down. Way off from her style. Defended Verb early on, pressed hard against me even after I revealed my character. Is now ignoring me, when I could say something very useful at any time.

Desp- Suspect, I'm getting a repeat gut feeling from the last GoT game based on his actions, and how he is handleing my actions.

Leelou- getting a town read on, she likes to throw jibes at me when she is town, especially when I pull my stunts.

LZM- already stated in response to BG c/p so you don't have to find it I want to know why LZM hasn't flipped his lid about a claim and a modconfirm yet. It's against his meta to take it this well in stride. Earlier I was just poking fun at him, now I'm genuinely curious.

Ed-unknown but I want to lean town on him. Will be watching closely

BG- a bit worried, he called out 2 bigginers for something that would be what I feel to be an experienced play.

John Snow- He is scum, it is known.

This is all just from purposefully pissing people off to get reads. Valid style, not recomended for every game but valid nonetheless.

Strangely enough I somewhat agree with this. Obviously John Snow and EP are pretty safe for the day, claiming Ed and Rickon (I think someone claimed Jon as well?)

BG still sticks out like a sore thumb to me here. I disagree with the statements in red atm. We have the claim from John I believe, and I do not see what Verb or Despo have done that is pingy. As for the last sentence of Red's that is... red.. well, that is perception I suppose.

Since Darthe is trying to brush it off again, here you go.

With a link to the post to prove I did not tamper with the quote. Please find a way to argue against that Darthe.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/75295-advanced-kaekey-game-of-thrones-mafia-day-3/page__st__460#entry2597009

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

Darthe stayed quiet on me until the heat died down on me and then tried to buddy up to me but agreed with me on himself as well.

So I ask you guys this, should we give him a pass or label it as the scum slip it is.

Also would like to note that Gladiator has a mafia variant as well. Since you claimed role there is no point hiding your character, also I'd like to claim bs on there being 2 possible doublers as I have been motivated twice that accounts for both nights. Darthe is grasping at straws for reasons to keep him around.

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

I think Darthe is the Khal or one of his people.

ed2funy · October 19, 2012

I wanna be motivated. :sad:

And hmm, gladiator. Will wait for Mod lady to post it. Not sure which of you two to vote.

hazelkrs1 · October 19, 2012

Vurrry interesting... a Gladiator challenge....

I just hope it doesn't get carried away like in the Spider Country game :dry:

Obviously I'm fine with keeping my vote on BG. I think this just made things more interesting tho.

@EP: That seems really silly to call that a scum slip bro. I don't think he ever said he agreed with your thoughts about him, just generally agreed with the sentiments in that post overall. If you'll notice, he did post specific things he disagreed with you on. Yes, he didn't include himself as one of those, but I think it would be assumed in most cases that if you're dealing with someone who thinks you're mafia, and you're town, you take it as a given that they're wrong about you.

I think it's another example of you thinking you're more clever than you are.

hazelkrs1 · October 19, 2012

And btw I do agree about him prob being Khal Drogo, that would def fit the Gladiator role. There are other possibilities of course.

@Ed: Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you. You'll get your turn soon :wink:

Oh and way to ping on that fence sitting on the Gladiator challenge thing. Should be easy enough to say who you would vote on between the two, if the challenge was legit. Lookin more and more like you are trying to protect your teammate BG. First I gotta go deliver folios and eat my curry tho.

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

Except I'm pretty sure Darthe is the scum in this scenario, Desp. Also in a game where all we have to go on is what people say in their posts, which he said he pretty much agreed with everything except the things in red he should have atleast commented on the suspicion on him. My theory is he didn't mention it in hopes that it would blow over, I may have latched onto it with different reasoning but the fact would still be the same, that he did not disagree with my notes on him.

michellem · October 19, 2012

Ok, I've never heard of Gladiator so I had to check it out on the wikia... Do we now wait for the modly godessess to post something before voting starts?

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

Usually the mod will post something stating that we need to vote either x player or y player.

hazelkrs1 · October 19, 2012

Except I'm pretty sure Darthe is the scum in this scenario, Desp. Also in a game where all we have to go on is what people say in their posts, which he said he pretty much agreed with everything except the things in red he should have atleast commented on the suspicion on him. My theory is he didn't mention it in hopes that it would blow over, I may have latched onto it with different reasoning but the fact would still be the same, that he did not disagree with my notes on him.

You say he should have commented on it, but plenty of players choose to pass over other people calling them scum if they're town, as they know defending themselves might make them look suspicious to others, while if they say nothing and still get lynched their flip will justify their actions and posts. For instance, Ed has tried provoking me multiple times with elementary tactics like "Who are your teammates Despo? :tongue: " which I just pretty much ignore. I know I'm town, there's really not much point to me responding to statements like that.

And he might have wanted to respond to what you said about him, but forgot before posting. I know there are plenty of times that I submit a post while forgetting major points to put in there.

Either way, the fact that he issued the challenge at all (assuming we get mod clarification on it) earns him some townie cred in my book.

And you really should be willing to entertain the idea that BG might be scum. Cause I think he is.

Ok, I've never heard of Gladiator so I had to check it out on the wikia... Do we now wait for the modly godessess to post something before voting starts?

In normal situations with a Gladiator, the only votes that will be counted by the mod are ones that are already on the two combatants. Any votes on other people are taken away, and the people voting for those have to reassign their votes. However, Kae and Key might decide to remove ALL votes, and have us start over with those two choices only, I'm not sure. But if you want, you can vote now, and wait to see if it will be counted later on

beanie · October 19, 2012

So let me see if I've got this right, when someone gladiators someone else, everyone can only lynch one of those two people that day right?

beanie · October 19, 2012

Oh nm, Despo explained it. Well I'm keeping my vote on BG obviously.

Gabriel Kross · October 19, 2012

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I wouldn't really label the Khal or his people as town, but you agreed that they'd make sense for gladiator.

Also what do you think about my throwing the bs flag out on there being 2 doubler roles out there?

hazelkrs1 · October 19, 2012

Here's the problem with your vote on Verb Ed: You keep saying the only reason your vote is on Verb is because you think Ishy and EP may have some info that led them to vote Verb.... this is just plain wrong bro. And the way you keep trying to shuck it as the truth is annoying.

EP is a Jailer, but he has been suspicious of Verb pretty much most of the game, at least well before last night. Ishy did hint at giving EP something, and I don't really care what it is, but the point is there is NOTHING to indicate that the gift had anything to do with a viewing or ANYTHING like that about Verbal. He voted Verb as well cause he has a town read on EP, so decided to go along with EP's instincts.

Basically, there is nothing to indicate that EITHER of them obtained any info about Verb last night. Yet you keep trying to pretend like they might have hinted towards something, or have something going on between them which has led them to casing Verbal. This is bullshanks.

As I said before, try supplying an actual reason for YOU to be voting Verbal, other than you just trying to go along with the "info" that EP and Ishy have, which I don't believe exists. Otherwise it just looks like scum trying to bandwagon on to someone else and pretend like they thought the person they were following had NA info which they never hinted at.

Here is the problem with your logic, Despo: See the end of this post.

I didn't say it was a viewing. There are other ways of determining who are mafia.

The fact is, there are two people whom I believe to be town, and they both sit strongly against a player. And they both hinted at some occurrence last night, which just might be the nail in Verb's coffin.

I could care less what it looks like or what you're portraying it as.

You didn't say it was a viewing, but you continue to imply that they (EP and Ishy) received some kind of info from their roles or other NA's; info which would somehow incriminate Verbal.

Here's the thing tho Ed. I'll put this in all caps to make it easier for you to skim through and read :laugh:

NEITHER EP OR ISHY EVER IMPLIED THEY OBTAINED ANY SUCH INFO.

It never happened. You're trying to trump something up, when dude, if they have info that pertains to someone's scumminess, they'll frikkin let us know. We won't have to guess whether or not they do have any.

And the "occurence" they hinted at last night is pretty much clear as day at this point. For you to continue to try acting vague about it just screams anti-town.

Speaking of which, there's something else which leads me to believe that BG is much more likely to be scum than Verb:

Official Vote Count:

BG (4) – darthe, Cyan, Des, peace

Verb (6) – Ishy, EP, Eddie, Razen, BG, Rand 2.0

Ishy (1) – Basel

Song (1) – NS

JLM (1) – Red

Red (1) - dice

Not voting (6) - Kaylee, Songs, Snow, Verb, Mish, JLM

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

No deadline yet.

The bolded are the names of people that have pinged me for one reason or another, and you notice that Verb's train has MUCH more of these people than BG's train? Eddie has been off his meta from what I have seen, and has pinged otherwise for a variety of reasons, and ever since I first started talking about his behavior being suspicious, he has since come out against me in many posts.

[...]

This tells me mafia REALLY doesn't want BG lynched. Pile on BG people. If you need any extra encouragement, too many people have forgotten just how wily BG can be as mafia. Don't let him escape a lynch for the third time!

And the next issue is you have the people who YOU find scummy. Which, I for one know is wrong, since I'm not mafia. So, therefore your little show and tell with the Vote Count here is completely useless.

Not that I disagree with you on BG. But your reasoning here is just stupid. Don't impose your thoughts onto the whole game and try to play it out like everyone you think is mafia is in fact mafia.

Also, ha. That isn't why I'm going after you. Though, I doubt you really know my meta. Because...again, if you think I'm scum and are using meta as part of it, you're wrong about it.

I made it extremely clear in my post that those were people who came off as scummy to me. No one else, I wasn't trying to vouch for the entire thread, just me. And I never said I was sure you were mafia, or that I was sure ALL of the people who I said were pinging to me were mafia. In fact, I believe quite the opposite: I must be wrong about some of the people I named, because it would be a sad mafia team if they all linked themselves so obviously on the same train.

But you sir are completely wrong in saying my examination of the VC is useless. Of course if one train has a lot more people on it whose alignment's seem questionable I'm going to comment upon it. And, being that communication thoughts and ideas is the only way to truly play mafia, my exhibiting those particular notions for town to see seems very useful; others can look for themselves and see if they notice other trends or patterns in the vote count, and they'll have a clear idea of who I was suspicious of should I be NK'ed or lynched.

Soo once again, do not put words in my mouth and say I was trying to impose my thoughts onto the whole game. I stated my suspicions, and my thoughts as to why Verbal might in fact be town. I don't think I'm 100% right on every person I think is scum, in fact I think there's a good chance my scumdar might be way off, as this has been somewhat of a hectic game, and it's still fairly early on.

As for your meta, I never claimed to be an expert on it. But I have played more than a couple of games with you, and I've read many more that you've played in. I've never seen you this involved in actual gameplay, normally you are far spammier. You're also more active, and are dropping scumtells I wouldn't normally see you drop, as you normally stay much more aloof.

There are prob many more nuances to your meta that I am oblivious to, but from what I have observed this game your behavior DOES stand out, to a degree.

Oh yeah. :tongue:

And if he flips scum, Song and Despo needs some looking at.

More like when BG flips scum, you'll need more looking at.

@ you

:blush:

Vote Ishy. I'm not as convinced of his townieness as Ed is. I still don't like the way he was completely brown-nosing sucking up to Nol. *edited cause disparaging comments about the color brown will not be tolerated*

Forgot to quote this before.

Moar evidence against Basel. EP is confirmed town in my book, and he pretty much confirmed receiving something from Ishy. While I disapprove of the public hints that went on between them, at the same time this gave me a strong town read on Ishy. Yes, he could be mafia trying a sort of gambit to try and buddy up to EP and make himself look cleaner, but I don't really feel this is the case right now, and plus Ishy has been closer to his town meta this game.

My top list for mafia: Razen, BG, Basel, Darthe, Ed, Rand 2.0. Pretty much in that order.

So, you agree EP is town and there was interaction between them last night (in the sense of Night Actions)?

But you don't think that is a valid reason to put pressure on Verb.

Ok, Sir Scumalot.

Yes, I think EP is town and that there was some sort of interaction between him and Ishy last night.

No, I do not think that is a valid reason to put pressure on Verb.

That's because I believe the interaction that occured between them two last night had nothing to do with Verbal, aside from the fact that EP Jailed Verbal.

And even though me and you have gone back and forth about this many times, EP has never come out to confirm any actual info on Verb. In fact, he did come out and confirm he had no viewing or anything on Verb. This should tell you what is already obvious to me.

Ishy giving EP moral support last night had DIDDLY SQUAT to do with Verbal's alignment!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Martin Scumsesme (as in I say you're scum, aint that kinda funny? :tongue: )

hazelkrs1 · October 19, 2012

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I wouldn't really label the Khal or his people as town, but you agreed that they'd make sense for gladiator.

Also what do you think about my throwing the bs flag out on there being 2 doubler roles out there?

We don't HAVE to agree to disagree. You can try harder to convince me Darthe is mafia, and you can also be willing to listen to a case on BG from me.

I wouldn't say the Khal would be mafia at least, third party mebbe, but he seems more good-aligned, despite being a despotic warlord :tongue:

I dunno bout the doubler thing. Mebbe the doubler person can select multiple targets /shrug

Mebbe one of the mods gave him an extra use of his ability for balance reasons or something. Who knows.

ed2funy · October 19, 2012

@Ed: Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you. You'll get your turn soon

Oh and way to ping on that fence sitting on the Gladiator challenge thing. Should be easy enough to say who you would vote on between the two, if the challenge was legit. Lookin more and more like you are trying to protect your teammate BG. First I gotta go deliver folios and eat my curry tho.

Oh, yippee.

And *snort*

I am not going to declare who I am voting for without going back and looking at them both first, don't be stupid.

ed2funy · October 19, 2012

+Screams more at Des*

It's not anti-town. It makes sense.

I still want feedback from Verby. :mad:

Yes, Despo, you do try to impose your will on the game. Too much. It is normal to do so to some degree imo, but not that much.

Just a bit ago, you said you think BG is scum, so we should vote him.

You don't have to ourtight state "do what I say" to be trying to impose your will.

I will let you play at my meta. But once the game is over, I will be coming for a full report and acknowledgement of ununderstanding. :smile:

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