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[WWWwombat]

I don't recall Song saying anything like that.

[John McClane]

I don't recall Song saying anything like that.

 

My takeaway from Song's post was that you are all over the place. That was what she exhibited, and my own perspective on it is that you are doing it to muck things up. You typically play with conviction. Meaning you don't change your mind like the wind changes direction.

 

Sorry, I just get the feeling you are messing with us.

 

Aside from that, what I've presented seems to be the most logical way to approach the situation to ensure we don't lose our Doc. You obviously don't care if we lose our Doc. So yeah...

[WWWwombat]

I'm not going to block a doc claimant as town and why would I kill the doc as scum and risk implicating myself when I could just block the doc for as long as I wanted?

[Locke]

Unvote

 

What a brain-hurting conundrum. I have to agree with John that lynching one of the claimed Doctors would be a bit foolhardy. My previous conviction that Meesh's claim was a lying one has been significantly lessened by recent events. (although at the moment, if I had to choose, I'd still prolly stick with her) It seems like a lynch on Wombat or Blackhoof would be in order, which is too bad since both could be potentially harmful losses. Womby's willingness to lynch one of the claimed Docs to settle the issue is scummy though.

 

Vote Wombat

 

We're going to need some type of solid information come the next Day though. Too much flying blind.

[WWWwombat]

And my sudden change of direction on Nolder was to make the scum think I was doc.

[Locke]

I'm not going to block a doc claimant as town and why would I kill the doc as scum and risk implicating myself when I could just block the doc for as long as I wanted?

 

Possibly just because I'm tired, but I'm failing to comprehend this post.

[WWWwombat]

If the doc dies, we know scum have some way to get around doc protection. And with me having revealed as roleblocker, the leap to me being a scum roleblocker is not very far. It makes very little sense for me to kill the doc as scum.

[John McClane]

And my sudden change of direction on Nolder was to make the scum think I was doc.

 

I wondered about this... So we saw Nolder claim doc, then Meesh hints it, and then you hint it, and then Meesh claims it, and now Ish.

 

So you wanted us to think you were Doc? What motivations would you have to jump in and try to claim the mantle of doc?

 

I think its safe to say that one of Ish and Meesh are scum, and you don't seem to care which we lynch and which we let go into night phase. You just insist that lynching one of the docs is the right play. However, you also have the ability to roleblock... which means you can roleblock the doc we don't lynch.

 

Why would you make this play? Silent killer. That's my guess.

 

The couple times I've seen an SK in a game this big, they have been loaded up. Its conceivable to think you can roleblock and kill.

 

We need to lynch Wombat guys... lynch him, then the real doc should self protect. From there we will hopefully gather some new info and get past the 2 doc claims... but right now, I think Wombat is the lynch that makes the most sense based on this play he hatched, and the logic of trying to keep the real doc alive.

[John McClane]

If the doc dies, we know scum have some way to get around doc protection. And with me having revealed as roleblocker, the leap to me being a scum roleblocker is not very far. It makes very little sense for me to kill the doc as scum.

 

What?

 

Roleblocker is the way any NK will get around doc protection. We've seen as many as 2 deaths in night phase.

 

The other way is to trick town into lynching the real doc.

 

You seem to be a component of both.

 

We need to keep our doc alive. Period. Your push to lynch one, and then you go into the next night with your roleblock ability still in play, pretty much guarantees that the real doc will die. Even if we lynch scum, you can roleblock and kill the real doc, which is my guess...

[WWWwombat]

So basically you are lynching me because I'm a roleblocker and you don't like roleblockers.

 

There are other ways to get around doc protection btw e.g. bus driver, strongman

[John McClane]

So basically you are lynching me because I'm a roleblocker and you don't like roleblockers.

 

There are other ways to get around doc protection btw e.g. bus driver, strongman

 

I'm voting you, because I think you are pushing an agenda that clearly exhibits you don't care which of Ishy and Meesh are killed. One of them is obviously scum, one is obviously town. You want them both dead, and have the means to do it, if you get one of them lynched and the other into night phase. Eliminating both possibilities for a Doc.

[WWWwombat]

I'm ambivalent, not indifferent. I want to lynch the scum one and leave the town one alive. Just can't decide who is who.

[Levity]

Urgh, I hate roleblocker claims. One because town roleblockers are incredibly common, so much that it makes it hard to distinguish which roleblocker claims end up being scum and which ones end up being town. It's pretty much almost guaranteed there's a scum roleblocker, though, at least in most cases.

 

I wasn't getting a lot of town vibes from Wombat's earlier play. HOWEVER, he presents a lot of new cases and ideas that seem to differ from the masses here, which is something I like and one thing I've seen that can be pretty protown (though scum use this strategy to divert attention away from fellow scummates, at least most of the time).

 

Also, yeah, there are multiple ways through a doctor protection, not only through roleblockers. u.u

[Levity]

Also, I quite honestly can't decide between the two, either--so I find indecisiveness to be a legitimate excuse (though since indecisiveness can be a pretty nice scumtell, it can go either way I suppose).

[Matty boii]

And again I say, Amega I have voted for Wombat You didn't count my vote.

[Blackhoof]

The point of my question my dear ape was to get Hoof to tie himself to Ishy. What we do now is lynch Ishy and have the coroner tell us tomorrow how he flipped. If he flips scum, we lynch Hoof. If he flips town, we lynch Meesh.

 

unvote

Vote: Ishy

 

Screw it. I was waiting on an answer from Amega but I'm gonna go ahead and reveal. I'm a roleblocker. I blocked Ishy N1 and Hoof N2 (right after he claimed his early results). I blocked Hoof because I thought he was lying. I don't know why Amega would have given him results when my action was still undecided. Also, shortly after I chose to block him, he amended his story to say he was blocked all along. Very suspect imo. Furthermore, I'm not sure why he would see Ishy doing anything N1 if I blocked Ishy. I asked Amega about that but haven't gotten an answer yet.

 

Really? you block our doc and our tracker, and then try to get the doc lynched? And you still expect us to believe you are town?

 

unvote

vote wombat

[Levity]

I blocked Hoof because I thought he was lying. I don't know why Amega would have given him results when my action was still undecided. Also, shortly after I chose to block him, he amended his story to say he was blocked all along. Very suspect imo.

 

Really? you block our doc and our tracker, and then try to get the doc lynched? And you still expect us to believe you are town?

 

unvote

vote wombat

Here is where we reach a problem.

 

First of all, Hoof, that vote seemed quite hasty, as if you didn't even consider Wombat's explanation as to why he allegedly roleblocked you. I'll admit that I might have taken the same action if I happened to be roleblocker, solely due to the really early action reveal (I know that the moderator sent in your action early, but it should be common sense not to reveal findings until daytime--this has caused a few complications with the game).

 

Secondly, it's quite odd that you claimed your action, and then afterward claimed you were roleblocked. This makes Wombat's claim a little more sound, of course, and yours a bit shaky--this is also another problem in sending results early, as these can be complicated by action-altering roles such as roleblockers. It is entirely possible that you faked your result, however, which happened to be Wombat's mathod of thought behind his action taken.

 

Although, Wombat, it is odd that you seem to be targeting town-claimed roles (though, this is where town-sided roleblockers can be both a blessing and a curse). Wombat has been giving me a few funky vibes, I admit, but I just don't know if I'm readily eager to immediately write him off as scum. I'm a little skeptical of the both of you right now.

[Blackhoof]

i blame ameg for that. giving out results too early is silly, even if i hadn't revealed the results. i know it was wrong to reveal the results early, i didnt really think it through at the time.

[John McClane]

So, now what? Anyone home?

[John McClane]

The point of my question my dear ape was to get Hoof to tie himself to Ishy. What we do now is lynch Ishy and have the coroner tell us tomorrow how he flipped. If he flips scum, we lynch Hoof. If he flips town, we lynch Meesh.

 

unvote

Vote: Ishy

 

Screw it. I was waiting on an answer from Amega but I'm gonna go ahead and reveal. I'm a roleblocker. I blocked Ishy N1 and Hoof N2 (right after he claimed his early results). I blocked Hoof because I thought he was lying. I don't know why Amega would have given him results when my action was still undecided. Also, shortly after I chose to block him, he amended his story to say he was blocked all along. Very suspect imo. Furthermore, I'm not sure why he would see Ishy doing anything N1 if I blocked Ishy. I asked Amega about that but haven't gotten an answer yet.

 

Really? you block our doc and our tracker, and then try to get the doc lynched? And you still expect us to believe you are town?

 

unvote

vote wombat

 

 

Wait, wait, wait... you were just saying that you KNOW that Ishy is the Doc and that Meesh is scum.

 

Yet you are willing to move your vote to Wombat?

 

I don't know how other people play this game... but when I KNOW someone is scum. I do NOT unvote them, for any reason.

 

Explain yourself...

[SBoydW]

Mod can we get a chronological vote count?

[WWWwombat]

Still thinking Blackhoof or Ishy. Doesn't make sense to me for Meesh to pull a gambit like this.

[John McClane]

My take on this whole situation is that we need to lynch either Wombat or Blackhoof. I can't decide who is more scummy right now... but I'm leaning Wombat, based on the hard push he made to lynch either of the Docs.

 

The position we are in, we know that one of either Ishy or Meesh is our Doc. Don't lynch either, let the real Doc continue to self-protect, and wait for more information to come out. Its a situation we can manage, knowing we've got at least one scum in the pair.

[hotpocket2006]

Also I think the doc's should reveal who they've protected each night, it may not matter at all, but it may give us some insight.

 

It also doesn't make sense why hoof didn't track meesh the first night. She claimed doc day 1, that's a pretty big thing.

 

You've made a lot of good points here Song. Thanks for following up: Unvote Song

 

To be honest, I have a real hard time buying roleblocker as a town role. I also don't support Wombat's logic that lynching between the 2 docs is the best course of action here.

 

I've been kicking around the idea of lynching wombat first. It would remove his ability to roleblock, thus allowing both docs to go into night phase. If the real doc self-protects, then we won't lose our doc.

 

Hopefully we have a cop and/or coroner still in play, so we should eventually get the info we need to lynch the right doc. No need to decide now.

 

Same here, though I know it's not unheard of. Scum roleblockers are more common imo.

 

My take away from everything is I think the remaining scum are wombat, Ishy, and possibly Soyo because I've been getting weird vibes from his play, but it could be someone else.

 

I think meesh may be telling the truth. She was the first one to come out and counterclaim doc. Ishy didn't do that until after Blackhoof revealed that he had seen someone target themselves night 1. there are many roles that can target themselves. I think Ishy may have seen that opportunity.

 

I agree with you John on letting the doc alone for now, but we do need to lynch one eventually, though without a coroners report that's kind of useless.

 

I would support a Wombat lynch today.

[John McClane]

Also I think the doc's should reveal who they've protected each night, it may not matter at all, but it may give us some insight.

 

It also doesn't make sense why hoof didn't track meesh the first night. She claimed doc day 1, that's a pretty big thing.

 

You've made a lot of good points here Song. Thanks for following up: Unvote Song

 

To be honest, I have a real hard time buying roleblocker as a town role. I also don't support Wombat's logic that lynching between the 2 docs is the best course of action here.

 

I've been kicking around the idea of lynching wombat first. It would remove his ability to roleblock, thus allowing both docs to go into night phase. If the real doc self-protects, then we won't lose our doc.

 

Hopefully we have a cop and/or coroner still in play, so we should eventually get the info we need to lynch the right doc. No need to decide now.

 

Same here, though I know it's not unheard of. Scum roleblockers are more common imo.

 

My take away from everything is I think the remaining scum are wombat, Ishy, and possibly Soyo because I've been getting weird vibes from his play, but it could be someone else.

 

I think meesh may be telling the truth. She was the first one to come out and counterclaim doc. Ishy didn't do that until after Blackhoof revealed that he had seen someone target themselves night 1. there are many roles that can target themselves. I think Ishy may have seen that opportunity.

 

I agree with you John on letting the doc alone for now, but we do need to lynch one eventually, though without a coroners report that's kind of useless.

 

I would support a Wombat lynch today.

 

 

Yeah, at this point... I'm frustrated by the whole situation. I think we keep the 2 docs alive for now, and lynch Wombat. I don't trust him, his agenda and the fact he has the roleblocking ability means he can negate the doc's ability to self-protect. If our goal is to keep the doc role alive, then lynching wombat is the most logical approach to doing so right now.

 

I just hate that Blackhoof is trying to convince us that he "knows" Ishy is the doc, and yet he was willing to unvote meesh and vote wombat. Teh lack of conviction, and the willingness to follow momentum makes me apprehensive.