DO influence

[Piulus]

Note: Please forgive any incorrect use of English, since it's not my first language.

 

I know that the DO has, as of now, not a direct influence in Randland. Even when the bore was completely open right at the end of the AoL, he could only catalyze "evil thoughts" and desires of people. He has, however, some sort of direct influence right in the bore. I was wondering, following the Cyndane/Moridin reincarnation issue, why doesn't the DO return from the dead other DFs? I think that he can only return those sworn to him. Granted. But, why doesn't he return all those DF that over the centuries have died. Many black ajah have perished without the use of balefire. So there must be a reason.

 

I've came with three possible scenarios:

 

1.- The DO can return any DF from the dead, but chooses not to for whatever reason (maybe he has other things to adress).

2.- Returning someone has some sort of physical/spiritual/metaphysical toll on the DO (momentarily diminishing his powers, etc.).

3.- He can only return channelers, for whatever reason, and chooses not to return other DF channelers (incompetence?).

 

What do you think?

[avernite]

I have two thoughts:

 

1) it requires a body to be transplanted into. Bodies are not necessarily in sufficient supply, especially while the Myrddraal need blades. Better to save transplanting for high-profile people.

 

2) Possibly, it requires the darkfriend to have actually gone to Shayol Ghul. How many would really have done so?

[GYLD]

Tam: Ouch - Okay, now that you have killed my black cord theory, are the oath and covenants Forsaken make with the Dark One necessary for the Dark One to transmigrate a soul?

Jordan: They are not necessary, but he is not likely to do it for anyone who hasn't done, who hasn't sworn to him.

Tam: He doesn't have access to all souls to be able to grab any soul?

Jordan: No, no, no. Because of the Bore and the fact that the Bore is best perceived, the Bore doesn't really exist in Shayol Ghul, the Bore exists everywhere, it's simply in Shayol Ghul where it can be perceived most easily. By the same token he has greater access to people at Shayol Ghul than he does elsewhere, or did, and uh, that's, when you know, Rahvin died, Rahvin is balefired out of time, slain out of time, cannot be reached, gone. Be'lal, (names someone else).

Tamyrlin: Well, then is there something unique about the Forsaken other than the fact that they are his favorites that he would transmigrate them, or be able to?

Jordan: Well, he would have been a lot less likely to in an earlier time when they were a lot of powerful, knowledgeable channelers who were in his service. Essentially half the people in the world who could channel were on his side, during the War of the Shadow. Now he has very few, he's got the Black Ajah, and a few wilders, and some stuff I ain't going in to, but uh he doesn't have a lot, but he can't afford to waste assets.

Tamyrlin: Okay.

 

The forsaken are simply worth the extra effort of resurrection thanks to their invaluable knowledge of the Age of Legends. The rest of dark friends, I would imagine, are seen as expendable with a few exceptions.

[Entreri]

1) They are losers. Shai'tan says to Moghdien that my Chosen are "always the strongest".

2) Spun back into the Pattern

 

Shai'tan might be able to bring back Light siders from the grave, Ishamael did give LTT the choice to bring back Illyena.

 

With the CK, Rand thought he could bring back the dead as well.

 

It apparently requires only great Power.

[Goldstar]

What about the other Chosen? There were more in the beginning, so why not ressurect some of them?

[Suttree]

What about the other Chosen? There were more in the beginning, so why not ressurect some of them?

 

I believe souls have to be grabbed in a certain amount of time from their death. It is why the DO can't reach those killed by balefire.

[Piulus]

Tam: Ouch - Okay, now that you have killed my black cord theory, are the oath and covenants Forsaken make with the Dark One necessary for the Dark One to transmigrate a soul?

Jordan: They are not necessary, but he is not likely to do it for anyone who hasn't done, who hasn't sworn to him.

Tam: He doesn't have access to all souls to be able to grab any soul?

Jordan: No, no, no. Because of the Bore and the fact that the Bore is best perceived, the Bore doesn't really exist in Shayol Ghul, the Bore exists everywhere, it's simply in Shayol Ghul where it can be perceived most easily. By the same token he has greater access to people at Shayol Ghul than he does elsewhere, or did, and uh, that's, when you know, Rahvin died, Rahvin is balefired out of time, slain out of time, cannot be reached, gone. Be'lal, (names someone else).

Tamyrlin: Well, then is there something unique about the Forsaken other than the fact that they are his favorites that he would transmigrate them, or be able to?

Jordan: Well, he would have been a lot less likely to in an earlier time when they were a lot of powerful, knowledgeable channelers who were in his service. Essentially half the people in the world who could channel were on his side, during the War of the Shadow. Now he has very few, he's got the Black Ajah, and a few wilders, and some stuff I ain't going in to, but uh he doesn't have a lot, but he can't afford to waste assets.

Tamyrlin: Okay.

 

The forsaken are simply worth the extra effort of resurrection thanks to their invaluable knowledge of the Age of Legends. The rest of dark friends, I would imagine, are seen as expendable with a few exceptions.

 

Thanks!

[Leyrann]

Tam: Ouch - Okay, now that you have killed my black cord theory, are the oath and covenants Forsaken make with the Dark One necessary for the Dark One to transmigrate a soul?

Jordan: They are not necessary, but he is not likely to do it for anyone who hasn't done, who hasn't sworn to him.

Tam: He doesn't have access to all souls to be able to grab any soul?

Jordan: No, no, no. Because of the Bore and the fact that the Bore is best perceived, the Bore doesn't really exist in Shayol Ghul, the Bore exists everywhere, it's simply in Shayol Ghul where it can be perceived most easily. By the same token he has greater access to people at Shayol Ghul than he does elsewhere, or did, and uh, that's, when you know, Rahvin died, Rahvin is balefired out of time, slain out of time, cannot be reached, gone. Be'lal, (names someone else).

Tamyrlin: Well, then is there something unique about the Forsaken other than the fact that they are his favorites that he would transmigrate them, or be able to?

Jordan: Well, he would have been a lot less likely to in an earlier time when they were a lot of powerful, knowledgeable channelers who were in his service. Essentially half the people in the world who could channel were on his side, during the War of the Shadow. Now he has very few, he's got the Black Ajah, and a few wilders, and some stuff I ain't going in to, but uh he doesn't have a lot, but he can't afford to waste assets.

Tamyrlin: Okay.

 

The forsaken are simply worth the extra effort of resurrection thanks to their invaluable knowledge of the Age of Legends. The rest of dark friends, I would imagine, are seen as expendable with a few exceptions.

 

When I read that quote, I saw something, that I would like to say something about. "Now he has very few [channelers], he's got the BA, and a few wilders, AND SOME STUFF I AIN'T GOING IN TO."

 

What stuff? The red-veiled Aiel? Male Aiel channelers? I think this is very interesting.

[Sharaman]

The time factor as defined by the Balefire restriction is important. The GLoD has a small window of opportunity to grab souls - balefire scrambles that window. In normal circumstances, if He isn't waiting to pounce at the instant of death, the GLoD voluntarily passes up the chance to grab a given soul for resurrection. He probably only tracks a very few souls continuously to try and ensure their continuity.

[Guest Czechs In The M'Hael]

Tam: Ouch - Okay, now that you have killed my black cord theory, are the oath and covenants Forsaken make with the Dark One necessary for the Dark One to transmigrate a soul?

Jordan: They are not necessary, but he is not likely to do it for anyone who hasn't done, who hasn't sworn to him.

Tam: He doesn't have access to all souls to be able to grab any soul?

Jordan: No, no, no. Because of the Bore and the fact that the Bore is best perceived, the Bore doesn't really exist in Shayol Ghul, the Bore exists everywhere, it's simply in Shayol Ghul where it can be perceived most easily. By the same token he has greater access to people at Shayol Ghul than he does elsewhere, or did, and uh, that's, when you know, Rahvin died, Rahvin is balefired out of time, slain out of time, cannot be reached, gone. Be'lal, (names someone else).

Tamyrlin: Well, then is there something unique about the Forsaken other than the fact that they are his favorites that he would transmigrate them, or be able to?

Jordan: Well, he would have been a lot less likely to in an earlier time when they were a lot of powerful, knowledgeable channelers who were in his service. Essentially half the people in the world who could channel were on his side, during the War of the Shadow. Now he has very few, he's got the Black Ajah, and a few wilders, and some stuff I ain't going in to, but uh he doesn't have a lot, but he can't afford to waste assets.

Tamyrlin: Okay.

 

The forsaken are simply worth the extra effort of resurrection thanks to their invaluable knowledge of the Age of Legends. The rest of dark friends, I would imagine, are seen as expendable with a few exceptions.

 

When I read that quote, I saw something, that I would like to say something about. "Now he has very few [channelers], he's got the BA, and a few wilders, AND SOME STUFF I AIN'T GOING IN TO."

 

What stuff? The red-veiled Aiel? Male Aiel channelers? I think this is very interesting.

 

Asha'man

 

As for why he doesnt bring any yahoo back, I think the Seals were preventing him from doing it. Otherwise he could have had the Forsaken all over the place much earlier.