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There... i shot crusher.. (maybe I wasn't the only one) ... now hopefully we can avoid playing the ape's game today and maybe lynch the ape..

 

 

for now

 

vote MYND

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Current Player List:

 

 

1) Sakaea

3) Vic

4) Verbal

5) Wombat

6) Optimus Primate

7) CTM

9) 80

10) Slats

11) Nae

12) Smash

15) Far Dareis Mai

16) Bleedin

18) Adella

19) Myndrunner

20) Hybrid

22) Barmacral

23) DPR

24) the dude

26) sharrow

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  On 8/22/2011 at 2:55 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 2:42 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 12:19 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 12:14 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I don't get CTM's post either - if the Survivors pledge House Stark, and House Stark is poised to win, then all of the effort goes into an organized scum hunt. How is that not a big success?

Cause me and the rest of the survivors should've already pledged house stark... killing jifclueless wouldn't have made a difference in that decision

 

CTM's position on not wanting to hunt BOTH Cult and Lannister combined is a direct contradiction to the Starks win conditions of this game. See below, CTM is basically saying that he is no longer a survivor and that he has pledged Stark. However, he is chiding me for expressing satisfaction with nailing JIF because he was either Lannister or Cult.

 

Starks win when all Lannister House/Bannermen are dead... AND when all Cult is dead. If CTM is Stark he should want to kill both Lannister and Cult, and thus should consider JIF's lynch a success. He shouldn't be downplaying it and advocating that we only hunt cult.

 

Independent survivors actually have the more attainable win condition in all of this, all indie survivors have to do is kill all the Cult.

 

 

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There are 4 alignments and win conditions in this game:

 

1) Stark House and Bannermen

2) Lannister House and Bannermen

3) Targaryen Cult

4) Survivor.

 

The Stark House and Bannermen will win when all of the Lannister House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead. The Lannister House and Bannermen will win when the Stark House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead.

 

Survivors can win with either the Starks or the Lannisters, so long as they are alive at endgame. And survivors have the option of joining either the Stark or Lannister faction.

 

And if the Cult wins, everyone else loses.

No, dummy...Cult is likely more dangerous then lannisters now.. everyone saw jif's slip, multiple people saw it for what it was, rapid lynching him did little but hand the cult another free day..

 

I'm advocating letting starks/nk'ers take our lannisters and pressuring people who ARE UNKNOWN to us atm.. BooBoo exposed himself, as did crusher most likely, and you're already lining up to run a lynch a him tomorrow...

 

I think you are cult and are trying to burn as many days hunting for the crippled lannister team rather then pressuring the numerous people who have not recieved as much as a question so far.. If you are not cult, you are unwittingly helping them (which is your mo and why you are never nk'd) .. as usualy town would be better off with you 6 feet underground at this point

 

 

I'm not lining up a lynch on Crusher. I am lining up a lynch on Mynd, because he's my current favorite for cult. I've stated that multiple times. Your insinuation, not surprisingly, is crap.

 

Earlier you said Crusher should be NK'ed by Stark, so you are directing Stark to NK a Lannister on one note - and telling me I'm culty for "lining up a lynch" on that same Lannister player (even though I'm not actually going after him right now). So instead of shooting at their best bet for Cult, its okay with you that Stark shoots a Lannister suspect... but based on your insinuation that I'm trying to get Crusher lynched I am cult. So again, we see contradiction from you...

 

Long story short. Stark should be shooting at cult suspects. We should be lynch cult suspects. IF along the way we take out Lannisters in scenarios like Booboo where worst case he's Lan, best case he's Cult... then it is a GOOD outcome for a Stark-aligned player. Which was the point that a couple of us agreed on, and you pooped on because you don't even know the Starks win condition.

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btw--- i shot the ape too.. he's the one survivor in doggin's scene, which means he's buying vest's with his money which to me means he's cult or hasn't declared...

 

I knew he would do that I just hoped someone had stolen it from him last night or he hadn't yet earned the dough to buy a new one.. I was very tempted to shoot him twice and trust the stark NK'er to off crusher, but I figured I would play cautiously and make sure crusher is dispatched so we didn't waste another day lynching a known entity..Anyway.. ape has no vest now.. so fire away.. or, lets just lynch him!

 

 

I'd like to find out a little more on wwwombat and dpr too

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:15 PM, CTM said:

There... i shot crusher.. (maybe I wasn't the only one) ... now hopefully we can avoid playing the ape's game today and maybe lynch the ape..

 

 

for now

 

vote MYND

 

 

You scummy bastard. I never tried to set up a lynch on Crusher - not sure what your agenda is here, or if you are just playing like a sloppy wet fart, but I'll bump my post from night phase for anyone else that's on the level to see.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:21 PM, CTM said:

btw--- i shot the ape too.. he's the one survivor in doggin's scene, which means he's buying vest's with his money which to me means he's cult or hasn't declared...

 

I knew he would do that I just hoped someone had stolen it from him last night or he hadn't yet earned the dough to buy a new one.. I was very tempted to shoot him twice and trust the stark NK'er to off crusher, but I figured I would play cautiously and make sure crusher is dispatched so we didn't waste another day lynching a known entity..Anyway.. ape has no vest now.. so fire away.. or, lets just lynch him!

 

 

I'd like to find out a little more on wwwombat and dpr too

 

Yes, I bought vests... however all it means is that I had enough money to buy vests and chose to buy them in case they were stolen rather than buying NKs and having them get stolen and pumped into the game.

 

Hilarious that you think you can draw conclusions on alignment based on my purchases... when the most telling thing about alignments I've seen is you not knowing the win conditions for hte alignment you supposedly support.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:25 PM, John McClane said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:21 PM, CTM said:

btw--- i shot the ape too.. he's the one survivor in doggin's scene, which means he's buying vest's with his money which to me means he's cult or hasn't declared...

 

I knew he would do that I just hoped someone had stolen it from him last night or he hadn't yet earned the dough to buy a new one.. I was very tempted to shoot him twice and trust the stark NK'er to off crusher, but I figured I would play cautiously and make sure crusher is dispatched so we didn't waste another day lynching a known entity..Anyway.. ape has no vest now.. so fire away.. or, lets just lynch him!

 

 

I'd like to find out a little more on wwwombat and dpr too

 

Yes, I bought vests... however all it means is that I had enough money to buy vests and chose to buy them in case they were stolen rather than buying NKs and having them get stolen and pumped into the game.

 

Hilarious that you think you can draw conclusions on alignment based on my purchases... when the most telling thing about alignments I've seen is you not knowing the win conditions for hte alignment you supposedly support.

 

Buying vests is more cult-friendly than buying weapons.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:25 PM, John McClane said:

 

Yes, I bought vests... however all it means is that I had enough money to buy vests and chose to buy them in case they were stolen rather than buying NKs and having them get stolen and pumped into the game.

 

Hilarious that you think you can draw conclusions on alignment based on my purchases... when the most telling thing about alignments I've seen is you not knowing the win conditions for hte alignment you supposedly support.

I know the win condition, and I used my money on bullets to try and help my faction by shooting a lannister.. not selfishly stay alive.. like a survivor/cult would.. go away

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:27 PM, WWWwombat said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:25 PM, John McClane said:

Yes, I bought vests... however all it means is that I had enough money to buy vests and chose to buy them in case they were stolen rather than buying NKs and having them get stolen and pumped into the game.

 

Hilarious that you think you can draw conclusions on alignment based on my purchases... when the most telling thing about alignments I've seen is you not knowing the win conditions for hte alignment you supposedly support.

 

Buying vests is more cult-friendly than buying weapons.

yep.. and he's saying plural.. Why.. he wants to prevent another NK attempt cause he's desperate to stay alive.. Wonder why?

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Bump... I would encourage anyone to re-read this past night phase and point out where I am "lining up a lynch on Crusher" you will find no such thing happening.

 

  On 8/21/2011 at 5:18 AM, John McClane said:

My version:

Lan - Stark - Cult - Survivor (Confirmed only)

 

1) Lily/Sakaea - Lily showed one of her scum tells, but no read on Sakea, leaning survivor

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

3) Vic - unknown, no notable survivor tells, not engaged in game

4) Verbal - unknown, saw some survivor tells, but I'm still puzzled by him voting Jack D1, but then tearing down my D1 case on Jack

5) Wombat - Probably Family Aligned

6) Optimus Primate - Survivor

7) CTM - Probably Survivor

8) Crusher - no survivor tells, clearly faked being paid off for his vote

9) 80 - hiding from the game, very unlike JF80

10) Slats - avoiding real confrontation, no survivor tells, probably family aligned

11) Nae - no read

12) Smash - uncountered Jory Cassel/Stark Bannerman claim

13) Pac - Petyr Baelish, Survivor

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

15) Far Dareis Mai - heavy read for survivor

16) Bleedin - Probably Family Aligned, Either Stark or the Lannisters were distancing.

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

18) Adella - slight lean towards survivor, has reacted well to non-survivor cases, but not giving many actual tells that she is one

19) Myndrunner - not a survivor or Stark, needs to be lynched next

20) Hybrid - heavy lean towards survivor

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

22) Barmacral - no read

23) DPR - definitely family aligned

24) the dude - no read, keeps showing up right after lynches

25) alys kinch - no read, similar to dude where she shows up in spurts - at what seems like safe times

26) Sharrow - leaning

 

 

 

So, all that said - Mynd needs to be lynched on the same premise as JIFBoo. He went Stark hunting last day phase voting Smasherino, which means the odds are that Mynd is Cult or Lannister - again, its a win/win.

 

Vote Mynd

 

 

  On 8/21/2011 at 11:58 AM, John McClane said:
  On 8/21/2011 at 5:21 AM, Bleedin Green said:
  On 8/21/2011 at 5:18 AM, John McClane said:

Vote Mynd

Pssst... it's night.

 

Noted, thanks.

 

  On 8/21/2011 at 6:10 AM, Sharrow said:

Reread the 1st day. Looks like the Ape King Kong act and tunnel vision worked again. Didn't really learn much except for everyone's relation to Jack & the Ape now knowing their original alignments, which is pretty much worthless. Not many other significant independent player/player interactions thanks to him.

 

All I got was a few probably meaningless potential distancing instances, and Alys possibly overselling an anti-cult stance in a couple posts. 257 & 425

 

That might be something to look into tomorrow. I'll hope for some better luck and reread the first night to present again tomorrow.

 

Also don't think Wombat is a Lannister family member based on an interaction he had with Lanth.

 

Wah-effing-wah... I only kicked into Ape mode when Jack made it abundantly clear he didn't know how the survivor role worked. Ape-ish? Yes. Reasonable? Yes, your damn right - I thought I had someone on D1 that wasn't a survivor. Given that my take on the game was that it was very survivor heavy, I thought that gave us better odds of nailing cult. I honestly didn't expect that Jack was survivor and just didn't know how his own damn role worked.

 

Anyhow, the value of D1 is that its led to a chain of survivor tells - so while we didn't get the 1-on-1 interactions you were looking for, we did narrow the pool a bit. Granted nothing that happened on D1 is going to be too helpful in a conversion game anyhow.

 

  On 8/21/2011 at 6:14 AM, Sharrow said:
  On 8/21/2011 at 5:18 AM, John McClane said:

My version:

Lan - Stark - Cult - Survivor (Confirmed only)

 

1) Lily/Sakaea - Lily showed one of her scum tells, but no read on Sakea, leaning survivor

2) Jack - Lysa Arryn, Survivor turned Lannister bannerman

3) Vic - unknown, no notable survivor tells, not engaged in game

4) Verbal - unknown, saw some survivor tells, but I'm still puzzled by him voting Jack D1, but then tearing down my D1 case on Jack

5) Wombat - Probably Family Aligned

6) Optimus Primate - Survivor

7) CTM - Probably Survivor

8) Crusher - no survivor tells, clearly faked being paid off for his vote

9) 80 - hiding from the game, very unlike JF80

10) Slats - avoiding real confrontation, no survivor tells, probably family aligned

11) Nae - no read

12) Smash - uncountered Jory Cassel/Stark Bannerman claim

13) Pac - Petyr Baelish, Survivor

14) Red - Jaime Lannister, Lannister Swordmaster

15) Far Dareis Mai - heavy read for survivor

16) Bleedin - Probably Family Aligned, Either Stark or the Lannisters were distancing.

17) BooBoo/JiF - Cersei Lannister

18) Adella - slight lean towards survivor, has reacted well to non-survivor cases, but not giving many actual tells that she is one

19) Myndrunner - not a survivor or Stark, needs to be lynched next

20) Hybrid - heavy lean towards survivor

21) Lanth/12th Regiment - Tyrion Lannister, Lannister Backup Paymaster

22) Barmacral - no read

23) DPR - definitely family aligned

24) the dude - no read, keeps showing up right after lynches

25) alys kinch - no read, similar to dude where she shows up in spurts - at what seems like safe times

26) Sharrow - leaning survivor

 

 

 

So, all that said - Mynd needs to be lynched on the same premise as JIFBoo. He went Stark hunting last day phase voting Smasherino, which means the odds are that Mynd is Cult or Lannister - again, its a win/win.

 

Vote Mynd

 

I'm not saying that I agree with you regarding Crusher, but if I'm not mistaken, he was the first one to switch his vote to me after they moved their bribes from Smash to me. So if he was faking being bribed, then he would have to be a Lannister family member, otherwise he wouldn't know where the switch was going. Again, not saying that I agree with you, but that would be the case.

 

Was he first? In that case yeah, then I'd lean Lannister before Cult with him. He was also one of the first to vote Smash on the take now that I think about it. Him being the first to get paid off like that makes NO sense... he hasn't cased anyone, hasn't pressured anyone, why would Crusher be one of the first people paid off for his vote? Also, why would he say he's been paid off?

 

DPR I believe was the other one that was very early in tipping a bought vote...

 

If I had to guess right now, I'd say that JF80, DPR and Crusher are all Lannister... at this point its probably safe to assume that Cult sees this too, and they are recruiting from the pool of "potential family aligned" that looks to be Stark, no?

 

Vic, Nae, Slats, Alys, Dude and Mynd all represent that I would consider a good starting place. JIF's case that Slats was cult is intriguing, probably not likely for JIF to make a bus play on a teammate given the state of the game for the Lannisters. So Slats is probably Stark or Cult, and regardless of this being right, Slats might be considered one of the top conversion candidates from JN, up there with Vic, Sharrow and CTM. Might be time to just lynch from the pool of "most likely conversion targets" and see if we can't nail cult...

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:31 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:27 PM, WWWwombat said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:25 PM, John McClane said:

Yes, I bought vests... however all it means is that I had enough money to buy vests and chose to buy them in case they were stolen rather than buying NKs and having them get stolen and pumped into the game.

 

Hilarious that you think you can draw conclusions on alignment based on my purchases... when the most telling thing about alignments I've seen is you not knowing the win conditions for hte alignment you supposedly support.

 

Buying vests is more cult-friendly than buying weapons.

yep.. and he's saying plural.. Why.. he wants to prevent another NK attempt cause he's desperate to stay alive.. Wonder why?

 

 

I bought vests and then talked a shit-ton in night phase casing people to try to draw NK attempts and avoid conversion attempts you thickheaded tard. My play completely backs this up.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:34 PM, WWWwombat said:

Right now I don't think Ape is cult, just selfish. Buying vests in a cult game is pretty much giving the cult a win.

I think he's a great conversion target... DM'ers seem to be under the delusion that he's good at thsi game (and why not, he tells them so every other post)... and JN'ers know the guy is never nk'd cause he's scum's beast friend

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:34 PM, WWWwombat said:

Right now I don't think Ape is cult, just selfish. Buying vests in a cult game is pretty much giving the cult a win.

 

I didn't see it that way - my thinking was, buy vest, draw NK attempts and keep the deaths controlled through lynching.

 

Frankly, swords and vests are equally as helpful to the cult agenda - especially given that each day all items can change hands again through all the thefts.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:15 PM, CTM said:

There... i shot crusher.. (maybe I wasn't the only one)

 

I did too. I figured that he'd be targeted by at least one other player, but I wanted to make sure. Plus, I had to get the Lannisters back for telling me to GFM when I tried to squeeze 1500 gold out of them during the Red lynch. Starks -- you got lucky that the Lannisters screwed up so bad or I'd be teaching you that object lesson too.

 

P.S. Thanks for your shiny toys, Verbal.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:36 PM, John McClane said:

I didn't see it that way - my thinking was, buy vest, draw NK attempts and keep the deaths controlled through lynching.

 

Frankly, swords and vests are equally as helpful to the cult agenda - especially given that each day all items can change hands again through all the thefts.

more evidence you didn't declare or arn't a survivor.. you clearly don't know the rules

Posted

Ape is now pinging. Vests are clearly more helpful to cult than swords. The longer people stay alive, the more chance for the cult to recruit them.

Posted
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:38 PM, Hybrid said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:15 PM, CTM said:

There... i shot crusher.. (maybe I wasn't the only one)

 

I did too. I figured that he'd be targeted by at least one other player, but I wanted to make sure. Plus, I had to get the Lannisters back for telling me to GFM when I tried to squeeze 1500 gold out of them during the Red lynch. Starks -- you got lucky that the Lannisters screwed up so bad or I'd be teaching you that object lesson too.

 

P.S. Thanks for your shiny toys, Verbal.

wow.. starks are cheap...

 

but smart .. i sold for way less.. lol

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:11 PM, Kivam said:

It's been a busy night. The old scream of metal on metal, the twang of crossbows being fired, the thud of bodies hitting the ground from a great height, the shouts and screams of the dying.

 

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Crusher (Tywin Lannister), the Lannister Paymaster, is dead.

 

But it hasn't been a great night for Starks, either.

 

Bran-Stark-Game-of-Thrones-1.jpeg

 

Alys (Brandon Stark) has fallen, and she can't get up.

And another player has survived an attack

 

It's now Day 4. Any survivor who hasn't jumped to a house is now locked in as a survivor. With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Seriously??? But, but, but!

 

(Assume I really died even though it didn't kill me in the series...)

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:35 PM, CTM said:
  On 8/22/2011 at 3:34 PM, WWWwombat said:

Right now I don't think Ape is cult, just selfish. Buying vests in a cult game is pretty much giving the cult a win.

I think he's a great conversion target... DM'ers seem to be under the delusion that he's good at thsi game (and why not, he tells them so every other post)... and JN'ers know the guy is never nk'd cause he's scum's beast friend

 

 

You know how I know when you no longer have the "town's" best interest in mind... when you start dumping JIF logic into the thread as a valid reason to kill me.

 

Vote CTM

 

You said we should only be hunting for Cult.

 

Then you shot Crusher, who you stated was obviously Lannister. Then you come into today and you vote Mynd on the premise that you think he's cult. Why not shoot the cult suspect? Your actions contradict your statements, fully.

 

I agreed with the assertion that we need to hunt cult, but if we nail Lannisters on the way - its good for Stark. You seemed oblivious to this, even though its the Stark win condition.

 

I was lining up a lynch on Mynd in night phase. You accused me of lining up a lynch on Crusher, which I did not do. Then you said I was cult, because I was supposedly lining up a lynch on Crusher.

 

So, if supposedly lining up a lynch on Crusher because he's a Lannsiter makes me cult... what does NKing Crusher instead of Mynd (your supposed cult suspect) make you?

 

I'm not going to continue to go back-and-forth with CTM on this - everything I've said above can be verified with a quick re-read of the night phase. I'm happy to discuss with anyone else, but CTM is either flipped cult - or worse at this game than I ever imagined.

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  On 8/22/2011 at 3:39 PM, WWWwombat said:

Ape is now pinging. Vests are clearly more helpful to cult than swords. The longer people stay alive, the more chance for the cult to recruit them.

 

I hadn't looked at it this way, chalk it up to flawed logic. I'm shocked that me buying vests has gotten more traction as one of the straws CTM is grasping at here, than him completely contradicting himself with his NK targets... and lying about me trying to line up a lynch on Crusher. I mean really...

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