[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[Far Dareis Mai]

Even after my night 3 proof?

 

You know, you had how any chances to add all this extra info when you started telling everyone survivors had to choose a faction. Even after John started tossing out more info, and I started telling you all the things wrong with your posts, you are just now choosing to say all this new stuff, like you have been holding onto it for a reason. And I find it weird that you are only now sharing this info after Kivam tells us to go ahead and ask him things, because he may or may not give more information. You never once mentioned anything about the time limit until I said something in passing. I never knew there was a difference between Bannermen and being part of a House, and you did, which tells me that you probably had that information beforehand, and I know that the info wasn't on a Survivor pm. So you are most likely already a Faction. Whoopdie doo. You are one or the other, and someone has to go.

[Lanthirrhos]

Now THIS is why we have do oppoing trains on day one. Take THAT whoever said that they were useless (I'm not looking it up You know who you are).

 

unvote No lynch

 

Vote Jack

 

 

I think the ape seems to be in a faction and we should lynch him without mercy and pay attention to who defends him..

 

Now see, this can flip right back to you, because you seem to be protecting Jack, and supporting his lynch choice without thought. I get that you all have history, but history brought to a new game is merely another tool to disguise strategy. Pawning off your support of Jack and pursuit of McClane as a recurring hobby isn't going to fly with me. You either need to suck it up and play the game with McClane, or get real reasons to lynch him other than "history". And don't support Jack jut because he's going for McClane. Come on now, legitimate reasoning from here on out.

 

Mcclane needs to die.. his ramblings will pollute the thread in the coming days. mark my words.

 

Excellent reasoning. Bravo. I applaud your mafia prowess.

 

# 14 all of you for making me read all this.

 

This is the only legit use of rule fourteen thus far.

 

 

[The subjective argument] Which is why the caveat of “in a mafia game” is necessary. Let’s also go ahead and point out the difference in subjectivity and objectivity of a lynch train with coroner vs lynch train without. Coroner info makes a more solid case. Mod info trumps not mod info every time.

 

How is a recruiting cult not applicable to this game?

 

Sure, mod info trumps non-mod info, but the townie one saves by no lynching (again: that's a statistic assumption, assuming that people are just voting for the sake of a lynch, rather than on a definable logic train) keeps the numbers in the town's favour where they would normally hit an immediate disadvantage by losing one of their number. A live, thinking townie trumps a dead townie every time, epecially when it comes down to a numbers game later. The temporary lack of mod information generally is made up for by a live townie later in the game. (presuming that the townie is active and useful, if not, no lynching to save their life is kinda pointless )

I agree with the blue. Strictly numbers. But once you add in a recruitment, you start tipping the balance. You don’t know who stays townie or who accepts or is forced to change sides or when they do it. (A flaw is so many arguments that have been stated thus far.) Better to go with more info faster until you get some bearings.

 

I did say in a "more vanilla game" and that a recruiting cum group is the only proper argument against the no lynch route when your day one is random. It may be over simplification for this game, but not for the criteria I set. So I'll half conceed the point. (I also said that my whole argument wa fairly irrelevant in this game )

 

The only way he is Cult is if he can't die. And, even then, there is no point to drawing this much attention to himself. This strikes me as more of a Jester role, or at least it would if he didn't do this every game. heh

Then I thought this. Seriously. He’s asking for everyone to kill him.

 

Is this not precluded by the fact that Kiv states all the win conditions in the game in the OP?

 

Where is Mynd? I'd have expected him to be in here giving Jack and Ape a run for their money by now.

 

Yeah, this thread is far to linear atm.

 

I'm ditto-ing FDM's latest post. You can ask Kiv just about anything.

[Sedai]

Even what a player's pm reads? FDM is part of a house.

 

Yes Far I was holding onto that information so if a non survivor was claiming something later I could catch them up in it.

[John McClane]

i'm gonna have to side with Verb & CTM on this one John. CTM hits this issue right on the head imo

 

Jack said the survivor win condition is to choose a faction and win with them, or die alone. However, the additional win condition that I've been withholding is that a survivor can stay independent and win at endgame as long as all cultists are dead.

 

I tried to withhold in order to not give faction-aligned and cult-aligned players the additional info for false claims, and also to see which players worked hardest to get me to reveal this tid-bit of info.

 

Jack clearly was unaware of the additional win condition.

 

CTM, Verbal and Red (you) all surfaced as people that didn't "get" what I was alluding to, and wanted the info spelled out.

 

People may not like how verbose I can be, but my goal, as always, is to elicit participation that could be informative later. I'm thinking we lynch one of Jack, CTM or Verbal, if they flip faction - survivors join the opposing faction, which should give that faction an advantage.

 

I'm only up to this post in reading, but right away I have problems with this post. My first thought was that it would be easy for Kivam to give that win condition to some Survivors, and not to others - it would be an offset of an imbalance elsewhere, and he'd know that. My second thought was that this is an easy piece of infomration to confirm, and even help the Survivors with - worrying about false reveals at this point is nonsense - helping to unlock the secrets of the game is a more pro-town move, imo.

 

I'm going to read on, but I'm not liking this one bit.

 

There is no town really, so a casting aspersions based on a perceived "pro-town" move is sort of a moot point. I chose to play it the way I did, because I felt Jack was lying and that I could tempt cult, starks or lannys into showing us their ass for the info.

 

I have confirmed with Kivam that Survivors all have the same win conditions, and pretty much the same abilities. Jack seemed to know the surface level of the survivor role, but not the details. I can't decide if he is lying now, or if he's just played this whole thing terribly.

 

I thought maybe Jack was cult and converted someone so he could backfill with details, as it seems that is what he's doing now... but I asked Kivam when cult conversions happen and he said at night, so its not possible that someone was converted and is helping Jack. I also asked Kivam if there were any players that know how the Survivor role details that are not survivors and he told me PAFO.

 

Part of me believes Jack is survivor right now... part of me doesn't. None of me is surprise that calamity Jack has struck again tbh.

[Sharrow]

Holy shit, I think I just realized something. The Ape came over here like a Spanish conquistador. They think he's a God.

 

The world is truly ending.

[Hybrid]

Not voting:

 

Sharrow

 

Interesting.

[John McClane]

Even what a player's pm reads? FDM is part of a house.

 

Yes Far I was holding onto that information so if a non survivor was claiming something later I could catch them up in it.

 

That's ironic.

[DPR]

Fighting off JohnDenver. Honestly sometimes that board gets to be too much for me.

I hear you on that one. This offseason has been the worst I've ever seen that place. I might be easing back from that place for a while, especially after today's little encounter I had over there.

 

 

You're talking about the Blue Oyster Bar, right?

 

 

[Sedai]

But it's the truth. Meh good look to my team. I chose sides before I died so I may still win this.

[John McClane]

CTM's disappearing act and weak defense of Jack should be looked at more closely when we get a coroner's report. CTM is online 25 hours a day... he didn't go dark because he has a life. FACT.

[Bleedin Green]

Holy shit, I think I just realized something. The Ape came over here like a Spanish conquistador. They think he's a God.

 

The world is truly ending.

Certainly explains the name change and why he was already here before the rest of us. He didn't want our prior knowledge of him following him over here. Unfortunately Doggin ruined that for him with this game.

[Sharrow]

Not voting:

 

Sharrow

 

Interesting.

 

Very.

[Kivam]

Lysa Arryn rubbed her aching chest as she paced the corridors of the Aerie. The Lannisters had killed her husband, and the Seven alone knew why. The Lannisters would kill her, and her son as well, if she got in their way. And now her idiot sister and her oh-so-honorable husband had started a war with them, with the House that had given Westeros The Rains of Castamere, and for what? A wolf and a peasant boy?

 

No. No. Family was everything, and she'd be damned if she let her sister put her precious boy in harm's way. Resolved, she penned out the letter that would save her life, and protect her son.

 

Lord Tywin,

 

I hope this letter finds you well. Please know that I am yours, to the death. The Vale is yours, as well.

 

Lysa Arryn, Regent to Lord Robert Arryn, Lord of the Vale.

 

With a satisfied smile, she sealed the note with the Arryn Moon and Falcon, and handed it to a page to run up to the rookery. She would be fine. Her son would be fine.

 

She was still smiling when the assassin pushed her out the Moon Door. It was a long way down, though, and she screamed more than enough after that.

 

 

LYSA ARRYN, SURVIVOR TURNED LANNISTER BANNERMAN, HAS BEEN LYNCHED. NIGHT HAS FALLEN. PLEASE SUBMIT ALL NIGHT ACTIONS ASAP.

 

 

 

Final Vote Count

 

John McClane (5) - BG, Jack, Vicious, CTM, BooBoo

Alys (1) - Mynd

Booboo(1) - Nae

Jack (14) - Slats, Verbal, Barm, Alys, Smash,John McClane, Hybrid, Red, FDM, Adella, Pac, Wombat, Crusher,Lanth

Verb (1) - JF80

Barm (1) - the Dude

 

JF80 (1) - Lily

Smash (1) - DPR

 

Not voting:

 

Sharrow

 

 

(NOTE: All information in scenes is purely for flavor. It does not reflect game action. Players will be described as dying in the way most relevant to their character - Bran Stark would be killed by Jaime Lannister, Tyrion would have a heart attack in a whore house, etc. [note: those are not spoilers for the series] It will have nothing at all to do with whether they were lynched or NK'd, or whether the character described as killing them was actually in the game and had something to do with their death. I don't think I can make that any clearer)

[Far Dareis Mai]

Holy shit, I think I just realized something. The Ape came over here like a Spanish conquistador. They think he's a God.

 

The world is truly ending.

 

HAHA. I just think he's mean, and I like it. <3

 

Jack: There was no reason to withhold your point. You continue to ignore the fact that from the very beginning you got the entire win conditions for the Survivor wrong. Also--if I was House, how would I know MORE about the Survivor role than you do (or what you are choosing to share)? How would I believe that the Bannerman role was the same as Faction--something that you were staunchly opposed to? At worst, I'm another Survivor who is on your lynch train...but to sit there and say I'm House when the REAL survivors out there know I'm doing everything BUT quoting the Survivor pm is just ludicrous. If you were a Survivor you would know that too. :P

[John McClane]

But it's the truth. Meh good look to my team. I chose sides before I died so I may still win this.

 

Good, so you technically weren't a survivor anymore. Liar. Assuming there's a team that begrudgingly inherited you... we'll be able to re-read and see who did an about face.

 

Verbal comes to mind. I'll find the posts I'm alluding to and bump them if the coroners report makes good on Jack's statement here, but Verb started out agreeing with my case on Jack and then suddenly swung the other direction and started poking holes in it. To me, that is a ping for someone who suddenly inherited a teammate that needed defending.

[Pac]

There is no town really, so a casting aspersions based on a perceived "pro-town" move is sort of a moot point. I chose to play it the way I did, because I felt Jack was lying and that I could tempt cult, starks or lannys into showing us their ass for the info.

 

I have confirmed with Kivam that Survivors all have the same win conditions, and pretty much the same abilities. Jack seemed to know the surface level of the survivor role, but not the details. I can't decide if he is lying now, or if he's just played this whole thing terribly.

 

I thought maybe Jack was cult and converted someone so he could backfill with details, as it seems that is what he's doing now... but I asked Kivam when cult conversions happen and he said at night, so its not possible that someone was converted and is helping Jack. I also asked Kivam if there were any players that know how the Survivor role details that are not survivors and he told me PAFO.

 

Part of me believes Jack is survivor right now... part of me doesn't. None of me is surprise that calamity Jack has struck again tbh.

 

You know what doesn't surprise me?

 

Now that the lynch you've been spearheading for days has taken place, you are writing a not so cleverly designed post absolving you of any guilt.

 

transparent and expected but disgusting nontheless.

[Far Dareis Mai]

DAMN YOU LACK OF POSTS WARNING! ><

[Bleedin Green]

Not voting:

 

Sharrow

 

Interesting.

I'd normally agree with this, but that's freakin' Sharrow for you. We're lucky he's even posting at all, nevermind voting.

[John McClane]

Holy shit, I think I just realized something. The Ape came over here like a Spanish conquistador. They think he's a God.

 

The world is truly ending.

Certainly explains the name change and why he was already here before the rest of us. He didn't want our prior knowledge of him following him over here. Unfortunately Doggin ruined that for him with this game.

 

Way to go inspector... or it could be just like I said when I was modding the BSG game - I came to DM to play in DPR's game and explore a style other than Apetarded.

 

Not really any science to it, but since all you shitstains are here now, I've got to revert to what you all expect, otherwise I'll get lynched for not lowering myself to your expectations.

[John McClane]

There is no town really, so a casting aspersions based on a perceived "pro-town" move is sort of a moot point. I chose to play it the way I did, because I felt Jack was lying and that I could tempt cult, starks or lannys into showing us their ass for the info.

 

I have confirmed with Kivam that Survivors all have the same win conditions, and pretty much the same abilities. Jack seemed to know the surface level of the survivor role, but not the details. I can't decide if he is lying now, or if he's just played this whole thing terribly.

 

I thought maybe Jack was cult and converted someone so he could backfill with details, as it seems that is what he's doing now... but I asked Kivam when cult conversions happen and he said at night, so its not possible that someone was converted and is helping Jack. I also asked Kivam if there were any players that know how the Survivor role details that are not survivors and he told me PAFO.

 

Part of me believes Jack is survivor right now... part of me doesn't. None of me is surprise that calamity Jack has struck again tbh.

 

You know what doesn't surprise me?

 

Now that the lynch you've been spearheading for days has taken place, you are writing a not so cleverly designed post absolving you of any guilt.

 

transparent and expected but disgusting nontheless.

 

Shut your vagina, pig.

[Pac]

There is no town really, so a casting aspersions based on a perceived "pro-town" move is sort of a moot point. I chose to play it the way I did, because I felt Jack was lying and that I could tempt cult, starks or lannys into showing us their ass for the info.

 

I have confirmed with Kivam that Survivors all have the same win conditions, and pretty much the same abilities. Jack seemed to know the surface level of the survivor role, but not the details. I can't decide if he is lying now, or if he's just played this whole thing terribly.

 

I thought maybe Jack was cult and converted someone so he could backfill with details, as it seems that is what he's doing now... but I asked Kivam when cult conversions happen and he said at night, so its not possible that someone was converted and is helping Jack. I also asked Kivam if there were any players that know how the Survivor role details that are not survivors and he told me PAFO.

 

Part of me believes Jack is survivor right now... part of me doesn't. None of me is surprise that calamity Jack has struck again tbh.

 

You know what doesn't surprise me?

 

Now that the lynch you've been spearheading for days has taken place, you are writing a not so cleverly designed post absolving you of any guilt.

 

transparent and expected but disgusting nontheless.

 

Shut your vagina, pig.

 

There's a special place in hell reserved for you.

 

I suggest anyone with an instrument of death use it on this filth tonight. For all our sakes.

[Far Dareis Mai]

There is no town really, so a casting aspersions based on a perceived "pro-town" move is sort of a moot point. I chose to play it the way I did, because I felt Jack was lying and that I could tempt cult, starks or lannys into showing us their ass for the info.

 

I have confirmed with Kivam that Survivors all have the same win conditions, and pretty much the same abilities. Jack seemed to know the surface level of the survivor role, but not the details. I can't decide if he is lying now, or if he's just played this whole thing terribly.

 

I thought maybe Jack was cult and converted someone so he could backfill with details, as it seems that is what he's doing now... but I asked Kivam when cult conversions happen and he said at night, so its not possible that someone was converted and is helping Jack. I also asked Kivam if there were any players that know how the Survivor role details that are not survivors and he told me PAFO.

 

Part of me believes Jack is survivor right now... part of me doesn't. None of me is surprise that calamity Jack has struck again tbh.

 

Howso? You can practically see the timeframe when Jack decided to turncoat and join a Faction. (I use turncoat only in relation to his character in the story, Lysa Arryn, in relation to the Faction he chose to join--for those who have not read the series).

 

You know what doesn't surprise me?

 

Now that the lynch you've been spearheading for days has taken place, you are writing a not so cleverly designed post absolving you of any guilt.

 

transparent and expected but disgusting nontheless.

[Bleedin Green]

Way to go inspector... or it could be just like I said when I was modding the BSG game - I came to DM to play in DPR's game and explore a style other than Apetarded.

 

Not really any science to it, but since all you shitstains are here now, I've got to revert to what you all expect, otherwise I'll get lynched for not lowering myself to your expectations.

Nope, pretty sure I was right in my initial evaluation. As far as the Ape being the Ape being our fault, even if that were true, that's no reason for a such a potty mouth mister.

[DPR]

Just caught up, and now I need to go and shower to wash all of the stupidity from this thread off.

 

If mine eyes did not deceive me, Jack was indeed a Survivor, turned Lannister Bannerman, and I believe that will be a nice point to pick up with.

[Far Dareis Mai]

Yeah...so I managed to eff that up. I have no idea what happened, but what I said in there was:

 

Howso? You can practically see the timeframe when Jack decided to turncoat and join a Faction. (I use turncoat only in relation to his character in the story, Lysa Arryn, in relation to the Faction he chose to join--for those who have not read the series).