[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:33 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:26 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

You know what else, Smash - of course i changed the plan. I caught Vic in a lie, which instantly makes me want to vet Sakea. Far hedging is also a bad tell on her part.

A Survivor would be happy to shoot, and to vet themselves, moving the game forward and proving that they can kill again when needed.

If all of you think that there are only a couple of cultists left, why not get down to business and find them by vetting players?

Instead, you all call for bullshit Finder results, and try to stall the game for the benefit of the cult. Just like Red did when she was trying to save her neck. And Krak. And Barm.

Aw hell naw. First of all, I never encouraged Finder results. Second, the only reason I began to doubt you is because you couldn't make up your fricken mind who you wanted us to each shoot. Then you turned around and told someone to shoot me. THEN you tell them to hold off, obviously because I reminded you that I have two shots tonight, and then you refuse to discuss things with anyone because to you it only makes us seem more bad when it reality we're just trying to understand where all of your reasoning is coming from. What the hell are we supposed to think when you have been leading us around in circles this whole night?

Not circles. I laid out my plan, of which a large part of was to see if the claimed Survivors could produce (at this point, only a Survivor can buy kills, and use them). When Vic got caught, he changed his story about who he was - a sure tell that he's lying. So, having Sakaea in the ings, it's easy enough to just find out for sure (one will be caught - they're not both innocent).

When you stalled, it was the same thing. At this point, it looks really bad for you.

But, if you really want to talk and analyze, great. We could use the Survivors.

So answer this - If I was cult, why would I have given all of the claimed Survivors gold to buy weapons with, knowing that they were the only ones who could kill me (assuming of course that if I were cult, I would have either suggested JF80 as a recruit, or had him up on a lynch). That would be the worst move possible when all i had to do was starve the game of gold, deplete all of the weapons, and leave people guessing. That would have been a much more successful cult plan.

None of you are making any sense from a Survivor perspective.

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:42 PM, Hybrid said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:32 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

You know what I love the most about that picture? It was used in a game that I played with Vic and Smash on JN. It's interesting that you posted it, because you didn't play that game.

LOL

Allow me to propose an alternate hypothesis: Google.

LOL

You want us to believe you randomly picked the "monkey-pirate" photo out of the millions of "pirate fail" options? The monkey-pirate was a joke about me and the Ape playing together. It has no context here, now.

You keep slipping. You'd have been better off lying and saying that you followed that game.

You got it from a JN'er on your little cult QT. Which we'll be laughing at very soon...but by all means, keep wiggling.

Smash · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:43 PM, Sakaea said:

Ok, after reading all of this, I'm still down for the plan, DPR. And here's why: that post you kept bumping, Hybrid? Just because that lynch made you look good, doesn't mean you smell like roses now. Everything you've said makes it seem like you're scrambling to stay alive.

FDM, love that pic, LOL

What ?

You do realize holstering does not help cult. Right ? Taking a wild shot based on DPR maddness could very well cost us the game. Dont you think it makes more sense to let this go to a lynch vote, and stop lettin one player dictate the game ? Our enemy right now is numbers if there is 1 cult left in game we could weed this out with lynches if there are 2 cult left you will be cutting this aweful close with a few misplaced shots. Cult cant kill according to DPR and they can no longer recruit so it makes sense to be patient here this is not a race.

Far Dareis Mai · August 30, 2011

Actually, from a Survivor perspective--particularly a factionless one, I don't give a crap who lives or dies, so long as we get the last cult. I disagree with your assessment on the number. I think there is only one cult left. So I guess if you want to bump off half the people remaining tonight, then great. Let's see where that gets us.

Hybrid · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:43 PM, Sakaea said:

Ok, after reading all of this, I'm still down for the plan, DPR. And here's why: that post you kept bumping, Hybrid? Just because that lynch made you look good, doesn't mean you smell like roses now. Everything you've said makes it seem like you're scrambling to stay alive.

You cannot be serious.

You think I deliberately shifted the momentum onto the most powerful member of my team because I wanted to vet myself?

I hope this shows you why DPR ignored my post FIVE times when he responded to just about everything else -- because there is no way in hell that even he could spin it to his advantage.

If you do plan on shooting me tonight, you had better lynch the crap out of that cult scum DPR tomorrow.

Hybrid · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:52 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:42 PM, Hybrid said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:32 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

You know what I love the most about that picture? It was used in a game that I played with Vic and Smash on JN. It's interesting that you posted it, because you didn't play that game.

LOL

Allow me to propose an alternate hypothesis: Google.

LOL

You want us to believe you randomly picked the "monkey-pirate" photo out of the millions of "pirate fail" options? The monkey-pirate was a joke about me and the Ape playing together. It has no context here, now.

You keep slipping. You'd have been better off lying and saying that you followed that game.

You got it from a JN'er on your little cult QT. Which we'll be laughing at very soon...but by all means, keep wiggling.

Click the link you doofus. It's literally the first one that comes up under images.

And yes, I picked a "pirate ape" for a reason, seeing as how you've basically decided at one point or another tonight that half the game is cult or Lannister.

Smash · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:48 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:33 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:26 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

You know what else, Smash - of course i changed the plan. I caught Vic in a lie, which instantly makes me want to vet Sakea. Far hedging is also a bad tell on her part.

A Survivor would be happy to shoot, and to vet themselves, moving the game forward and proving that they can kill again when needed.

If all of you think that there are only a couple of cultists left, why not get down to business and find them by vetting players?

Instead, you all call for bullshit Finder results, and try to stall the game for the benefit of the cult. Just like Red did when she was trying to save her neck. And Krak. And Barm.

Aw hell naw. First of all, I never encouraged Finder results. Second, the only reason I began to doubt you is because you couldn't make up your fricken mind who you wanted us to each shoot. Then you turned around and told someone to shoot me. THEN you tell them to hold off, obviously because I reminded you that I have two shots tonight, and then you refuse to discuss things with anyone because to you it only makes us seem more bad when it reality we're just trying to understand where all of your reasoning is coming from. What the hell are we supposed to think when you have been leading us around in circles this whole night?

Not circles. I laid out my plan, of which a large part of was to see if the claimed Survivors could produce (at this point, only a Survivor can buy kills, and use them). When Vic got caught, he changed his story about who he was - a sure tell that he's lying. So, having Sakaea in the ings, it's easy enough to just find out for sure (one will be caught - they're not both innocent).

When you stalled, it was the same thing. At this point, it looks really bad for you.

But, if you really want to talk and analyze, great. We could use the Survivors.

So answer this - If I was cult, why would I have given all of the claimed Survivors gold to buy weapons with, knowing that they were the only ones who could kill me (assuming of course that if I were cult, I would have either suggested JF80 as a recruit, or had him up on a lynch). That would be the worst move possible when all i had to do was starve the game of gold, deplete all of the weapons, and leave people guessing. That would have been a much more successful cult plan.

None of you are making any sense from a Survivor perspective.

DPR let me explain something to you. Im not accusing you of being cult and I dont think hybrid is either. All we're saying is its not a good idea to be shooting with no real cases on people. Holstering cant hurt us and it buys us another day to discuss and lynch as a team. if you cant see that based on things you yourself have explained then your playing this really really bad. We dont need a hero this game we need to think this out tomorrow.

JF80 · August 30, 2011

Please keep in mind that DPR is highly paranoid, which is why he's assuming there may be up to 4 cult left in this game. He even went so far as to create, essentially, an alternate QT for dead Starks that weren't converted so Wombat and I couldn't read it. He thought I was converted.

Hybrid · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:52 PM, Smash said:

You do realize holstering does not help cult. Right ? Taking a wild shot based on DPR maddness could very well cost us the game. Dont you think it makes more sense to let this go to a lynch vote, and stop lettin one player dictate the game ? Our enemy right now is numbers if there is 1 cult left in game we could weed this out with lynches if there are 2 cult left you will be cutting this aweful close with a few misplaced shots. Cult cant kill according to DPR and they can no longer recruit so it makes sense to be patient here this is not a race.

This. A thousand times this.

DPR proposes in one breath that the cult and Lannisters cannot kill -- and therefore are not a threat -- but in the other thinks that a massacre is warranted because "stalling is pro-cult." If cult and Lannister cannot kill, why in the world would stalling be worse than blowing away half the players in the game?

Hybrid · August 30, 2011

Actually, I am accusing DPR of being cult. I wasn't at the beginning of the night -- I thought it was a foolhardy plan -- but now that he's gone off into full-on spin mode, I actually do think he's cult.

Far Dareis Mai · August 30, 2011

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 10:58 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:48 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:33 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

On 8/30/2011 at 10:26 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

You know what else, Smash - of course i changed the plan. I caught Vic in a lie, which instantly makes me want to vet Sakea. Far hedging is also a bad tell on her part.

A Survivor would be happy to shoot, and to vet themselves, moving the game forward and proving that they can kill again when needed.

If all of you think that there are only a couple of cultists left, why not get down to business and find them by vetting players?

Instead, you all call for bullshit Finder results, and try to stall the game for the benefit of the cult. Just like Red did when she was trying to save her neck. And Krak. And Barm.

Aw hell naw. First of all, I never encouraged Finder results. Second, the only reason I began to doubt you is because you couldn't make up your fricken mind who you wanted us to each shoot. Then you turned around and told someone to shoot me. THEN you tell them to hold off, obviously because I reminded you that I have two shots tonight, and then you refuse to discuss things with anyone because to you it only makes us seem more bad when it reality we're just trying to understand where all of your reasoning is coming from. What the hell are we supposed to think when you have been leading us around in circles this whole night?

Not circles. I laid out my plan, of which a large part of was to see if the claimed Survivors could produce (at this point, only a Survivor can buy kills, and use them). When Vic got caught, he changed his story about who he was - a sure tell that he's lying. So, having Sakaea in the ings, it's easy enough to just find out for sure (one will be caught - they're not both innocent).

When you stalled, it was the same thing. At this point, it looks really bad for you.

But, if you really want to talk and analyze, great. We could use the Survivors.

So answer this - If I was cult, why would I have given all of the claimed Survivors gold to buy weapons with, knowing that they were the only ones who could kill me (assuming of course that if I were cult, I would have either suggested JF80 as a recruit, or had him up on a lynch). That would be the worst move possible when all i had to do was starve the game of gold, deplete all of the weapons, and leave people guessing. That would have been a much more successful cult plan.

None of you are making any sense from a Survivor perspective.

DPR let me explain something to you. Im not accusing you of being cult and I dont think hybrid is either. All we're saying is its not a good idea to be shooting with no real cases on people. Holstering cant hurt us and it buys us another day to discuss and lynch as a team. if you cant see that based on things you yourself have explained then your playing this really really bad. We dont need a hero this game we need to think this out tomorrow.

Wrong. We really, really need to not give the cult one more day to lynch. That's whay I think there may be 3 left - they are trying like hell to not get killed because they know they are close.

You sound reasonable - which is great. It's the exact same reason that Team Stark chose to holster last night, and tonight. Because we are looking at the ratio, and being very, very careful.

You need to not buy into all this foolishness about 1 cult being left. That makes no sense at all.

It's also bothering me a great deal that Wombat posted more than once on our QT that he thought you were clean. That's bothering me a lot.

I say we find out now, and I've provided a plan to do it.

You already see what happens when you, Hybrid, Far, and Vic all team up to try and discredit me - despite the fact that I've spear-headed multiple lynches and kills that have benefitted us and pumped gold into the game so that the Survivors could arm themselves.

Best to get rid of the cult once and for all.

Smash · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:01 PM, Hybrid said:

Actually, I am accusing DPR of being cult. I wasn't at the beginning of the night -- I thought it was a foolhardy plan -- but now that he's gone off into full-on spin mode, I actually do think he's cult.

yeah I was basing what I said from an earlier stage I see you leaning the other way but Im not so sure DPR is Cult. When he gets wound up he starts getting crazy no matter what side hes on. I think he means well, but its his plan thats totally erratic.

What I find absolutely hysterical is that hes changed his so called plan (that he had in place for days) about 4 times in the past hour and people still plan on following him which makes me wonder, why on earth would he push all these players in a direction based purely on speculation. In that respect you can lean cult but Im leaning the "DPR Factor"

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:10 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:01 PM, Hybrid said:

Actually, I am accusing DPR of being cult. I wasn't at the beginning of the night -- I thought it was a foolhardy plan -- but now that he's gone off into full-on spin mode, I actually do think he's cult.

yeah I was basing what I said from an earlier stage I see you leaning the other way but Im not so sure DPR is Cult. When he gets wound up he starts getting crazy no matter what side hes on. I think he means well, but its his plan thats totally erratic.

What I find absolutely hysterical is that hes changed his so called plan (that he had in place for days) about 4 times in the past hour and people still plan on following him which makes me wonder, why on earth would he push all these players in a direction based purely on speculation. In that respect you can lean cult but Im leaning the "DPR Factor"

So, just to make sure, it's all cool with you that Vic got caught lying (which was exactly the desired result of giving him the money, which he accepted), and that I used that slip as a chance to vet another player. Because to me, that would seem like someone following their plan exactly.

the dude · August 30, 2011

hey guys, i'm here; gimme a few more minutes, i'm not quite caught up. shit is crazy

Far Dareis Mai · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:15 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:10 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:01 PM, Hybrid said:

Actually, I am accusing DPR of being cult. I wasn't at the beginning of the night -- I thought it was a foolhardy plan -- but now that he's gone off into full-on spin mode, I actually do think he's cult.

yeah I was basing what I said from an earlier stage I see you leaning the other way but Im not so sure DPR is Cult. When he gets wound up he starts getting crazy no matter what side hes on. I think he means well, but its his plan thats totally erratic.

What I find absolutely hysterical is that hes changed his so called plan (that he had in place for days) about 4 times in the past hour and people still plan on following him which makes me wonder, why on earth would he push all these players in a direction based purely on speculation. In that respect you can lean cult but Im leaning the "DPR Factor"

So, just to make sure, it's all cool with you that Vic got caught lying (which was exactly the desired result of giving him the money, which he accepted), and that I used that slip as a chance to vet another player. Because to me, that would seem like someone following their plan exactly.

DPR, none of us have had a chance to even address that, because we have been too busy trying not to get shot during the night phase. If Vic got caught lying, then great. Take his head off. But tossing people onto the gibbet because you are pretty sure the odds are in your favor, and if not, then you know they aren't Stark so its OK, isn't cool.

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:19 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:15 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:10 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:01 PM, Hybrid said:

Actually, I am accusing DPR of being cult. I wasn't at the beginning of the night -- I thought it was a foolhardy plan -- but now that he's gone off into full-on spin mode, I actually do think he's cult.

yeah I was basing what I said from an earlier stage I see you leaning the other way but Im not so sure DPR is Cult. When he gets wound up he starts getting crazy no matter what side hes on. I think he means well, but its his plan thats totally erratic.

What I find absolutely hysterical is that hes changed his so called plan (that he had in place for days) about 4 times in the past hour and people still plan on following him which makes me wonder, why on earth would he push all these players in a direction based purely on speculation. In that respect you can lean cult but Im leaning the "DPR Factor"

So, just to make sure, it's all cool with you that Vic got caught lying (which was exactly the desired result of giving him the money, which he accepted), and that I used that slip as a chance to vet another player. Because to me, that would seem like someone following their plan exactly.

DPR, none of us have had a chance to even address that, because we have been too busy trying not to get shot during the night phase. If Vic got caught lying, then great. Take his head off. But tossing people onto the gibbet because you are pretty sure the odds are in your favor, and if not, then you know they aren't Stark so its OK, isn't cool.

I, and JF80 have been very clear that you are not going to be targeted.

As it stands, I am asking Sakaea to shoot Hybrid because he's pinged me for days, and tonight, just dug a hole for himself 10 feet deep.

I am asking dude to shoot Vic because he lied.

That's not tossing people onto the gibbet - I've already demonstrated the restraint I have used with my resources. I am just making educated decisions based on evidence, play, and win ratios.

That's 2 players. Not you. Why are you still fighting for them?

Smash · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:19 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:15 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:10 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:01 PM, Hybrid said:

Actually, I am accusing DPR of being cult. I wasn't at the beginning of the night -- I thought it was a foolhardy plan -- but now that he's gone off into full-on spin mode, I actually do think he's cult.

yeah I was basing what I said from an earlier stage I see you leaning the other way but Im not so sure DPR is Cult. When he gets wound up he starts getting crazy no matter what side hes on. I think he means well, but its his plan thats totally erratic.

What I find absolutely hysterical is that hes changed his so called plan (that he had in place for days) about 4 times in the past hour and people still plan on following him which makes me wonder, why on earth would he push all these players in a direction based purely on speculation. In that respect you can lean cult but Im leaning the "DPR Factor"

So, just to make sure, it's all cool with you that Vic got caught lying (which was exactly the desired result of giving him the money, which he accepted), and that I used that slip as a chance to vet another player. Because to me, that would seem like someone following their plan exactly.

DPR, none of us have had a chance to even address that, because we have been too busy trying not to get shot during the night phase. If Vic got caught lying, then great. Take his head off. But tossing people onto the gibbet because you are pretty sure the odds are in your favor, and if not, then you know they aren't Stark so its OK, isn't cool.

I dont even see where Vic got caught lying I went back to read and DPR accused him but never gave any reasoning that made sense. Its like hes playing the game in his head and we're all on the outside looking in. I guess DPR figured no one would go back and re read . Sorry but Im not buying the crazy DPR is selling.

Hybrid · August 30, 2011

If you were so certain on Vic, why did you propose a plan to kill off a bunch of people tonight and yet leave Vic alive for tomorrow?

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:27 PM, Hybrid said:

If you were so certain on Vic, why did you propose a plan to kill off a bunch of people tonight and yet leave Vic alive for tomorrow?

The system works both ways, cult boy. I'm vetting either the shooter, or the target, with the knowledge that the odds that both are who they claim is next to nothing. But I'm guessing you already knew that :p

Smash · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:33 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:27 PM, Hybrid said:

If you were so certain on Vic, why did you propose a plan to kill off a bunch of people tonight and yet leave Vic alive for tomorrow?

The system works both ways, cult boy. I'm vetting either the shooter, or the target, with the knowledge that the odds that both are who they claim is next to nothing. But I'm guessing you already knew that :p

You didnt answer his question

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:25 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:19 PM, Far Dareis Mai said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:15 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:10 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:01 PM, Hybrid said:

Actually, I am accusing DPR of being cult. I wasn't at the beginning of the night -- I thought it was a foolhardy plan -- but now that he's gone off into full-on spin mode, I actually do think he's cult.

yeah I was basing what I said from an earlier stage I see you leaning the other way but Im not so sure DPR is Cult. When he gets wound up he starts getting crazy no matter what side hes on. I think he means well, but its his plan thats totally erratic.

What I find absolutely hysterical is that hes changed his so called plan (that he had in place for days) about 4 times in the past hour and people still plan on following him which makes me wonder, why on earth would he push all these players in a direction based purely on speculation. In that respect you can lean cult but Im leaning the "DPR Factor"

So, just to make sure, it's all cool with you that Vic got caught lying (which was exactly the desired result of giving him the money, which he accepted), and that I used that slip as a chance to vet another player. Because to me, that would seem like someone following their plan exactly.

DPR, none of us have had a chance to even address that, because we have been too busy trying not to get shot during the night phase. If Vic got caught lying, then great. Take his head off. But tossing people onto the gibbet because you are pretty sure the odds are in your favor, and if not, then you know they aren't Stark so its OK, isn't cool.

I dont even see where Vic got caught lying I went back to read and DPR accused him but never gave any reasoning that made sense. Its like hes playing the game in his head and we're all on the outside looking in. I guess DPR figured no one would go back and re read . Sorry but Im not buying the crazy DPR is selling.

Vic claimed he was a Survivor who did not pledge a House. Go back and find it - I think it was when he and CTM were telling me that the Krak lynch was crazy...

Based on that, i sent him gold. The idea was, if he's a Survivor, great! He can buy weapons and vet himself exactly like dude did. Or, if he's lying, he'll get caught when he can't produce the kill. Please keep in mind that I did mention several times that Survivors should only accept gold if they were willing to buy weapons and use them...

Vic took the money. And then, today, when it was his turn to come through, he claims that he pledged House Stark.

That's the biggest bullshit story ever. He's caught red-handed. And you're defending him.

Way to go. My confidence in you grows by the minute...

DPR · August 30, 2011

On 8/30/2011 at 11:38 PM, Smash said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:33 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

On 8/30/2011 at 11:27 PM, Hybrid said:

If you were so certain on Vic, why did you propose a plan to kill off a bunch of people tonight and yet leave Vic alive for tomorrow?

The system works both ways, cult boy. I'm vetting either the shooter, or the target, with the knowledge that the odds that both are who they claim is next to nothing. But I'm guessing you already knew that :p

You didnt answer his question

His question is leading, and therefore not answerable. I never said I was "so certain" on Vic, did I? But i have explained, ad nauseum, that the test was for both the shooter and the target. He was being tested. He failed the test. Just like you are failing right now.

DPR · August 30, 2011

Oh, also - i know I said that i had thousands in gold left, and I do. But you A-holes can't thief it. I know one of you pinched 100 - that was money I took for my vote from Red, and therefore steal-able. The rest is not.

the dude · August 30, 2011

k i've been trying to post for like half an hour haha - first dm froze for a minute, then my daughter stepped on the powerbar and turned it off :angry:

dpr, you didn't mention anything about smash following anyone; are you assuming that there's no more to be gotten from that? i'm not coming after you here but you'll understand if i have questions.

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