[Advanced] Hollywood 1940s Mafia - Game Over

[Vambram]

Vote Vam.

Why? Firstly, during our discussions about Red, he made a definitive statement the she WILL flip town, not that he thinks she will. The fact that he said it with a great deal of certainty makes me think that he has access to certain information that the rest of us don't.

 

I was making a prediction.

 

Its like saying, that the New York Yankees will win their division this year in the MLB.

 

If you cannot see differences between a prediction, and someone acting as if he had real and actual foreknowledge, then I don't know what else to say to you. By the way, you have been one of the biggest supporters of my lynching, so why are you wanting to lynch someone like me who KNOWS he is on the Town team??

Answer me that question, please, Mr. Ishmael Forsaken.

 

I don't see anything indicating that I have been anymore vocal than anyone else. And as for me wanting to lynch someone claiming he's on Team Town, we all claim to be on Team Town whether or not we are, that's the whole point of the game. And I certainly wasn't the one calling for consolidation or bandwaggoning, I was the second vote for you, far from jumping on a Vam lynch. Other than answering Jack's question about a vote count, I don't think I've even mentioned your name in 20+ posts. Deflecting onto me isn't going to cause anyone else to look away from you, because people were looking in your direction long before I cast my vote, and were looking at you long after. Don't see where you're getting that I'm the big one gunning for you is all.

 

 

 

You were among the first couple of players to be suspicious of me simply because of what I said concerning Red and her lynching will reveal her as town. Since, then you and others have constantly and consistently over analyzed and misunderstood, or misinterpreted my posts where I was responding to FOS's upon me.

The fact that you were the second vote against me means very very little to me, Ishmael.

Yes, I know we all claim to be team Town, but after I am lynched, you will see that I am proved to be right. Just like I was proved to be correct about my prediction concerning Red flipping Town when she was lynched. Therefore, after I am proved to be correct, what will be your defense about yourself in this game then?

That I was wrong? On Day 2? Apparantly just like half of the other players in this game? Because obviously no one is ever wrong in Mafia before I came along and played in my very first game ever. Still don't understand why you're singling me out for thinking what everyone apparantly is. Is it because I'm the only one playing besides you today it seems? Because if so, I can certainly shut up and lurk like plenty of others have been doing. It isn't anything personal towards you Vam, I just got a ping off of you, but if you flip town then 10 of us playing will be wrong, not just me. Yell at Jack some for God's sake.

 

That's going to be your only defense? That you and the others were incorrect about me and about Red?

In my opinion, that is very very scummy and a lame defense. I do hope that any other members of the Town team have a better defense to use than that.

And Why am I singling you out? Well, as an admitted newcomer to the game, it is important for you to be able to establish your style of playing mafia. I believe that is important not only for you to see what styles of play suit you best, but also for the other players here to be able to learn about you and your mafia playing styles and methods.

[John E. Kelley]

Vote Vam.

Why? Firstly, during our discussions about Red, he made a definitive statement the she WILL flip town, not that he thinks she will. The fact that he said it with a great deal of certainty makes me think that he has access to certain information that the rest of us don't.

 

I was making a prediction.

 

Its like saying, that the New York Yankees will win their division this year in the MLB.

 

If you cannot see differences between a prediction, and someone acting as if he had real and actual foreknowledge, then I don't know what else to say to you. By the way, you have been one of the biggest supporters of my lynching, so why are you wanting to lynch someone like me who KNOWS he is on the Town team??

Answer me that question, please, Mr. Ishmael Forsaken.

 

I don't see anything indicating that I have been anymore vocal than anyone else. And as for me wanting to lynch someone claiming he's on Team Town, we all claim to be on Team Town whether or not we are, that's the whole point of the game. And I certainly wasn't the one calling for consolidation or bandwaggoning, I was the second vote for you, far from jumping on a Vam lynch. Other than answering Jack's question about a vote count, I don't think I've even mentioned your name in 20+ posts. Deflecting onto me isn't going to cause anyone else to look away from you, because people were looking in your direction long before I cast my vote, and were looking at you long after. Don't see where you're getting that I'm the big one gunning for you is all.

 

 

 

You were among the first couple of players to be suspicious of me simply because of what I said concerning Red and her lynching will reveal her as town. Since, then you and others have constantly and consistently over analyzed and misunderstood, or misinterpreted my posts where I was responding to FOS's upon me.

The fact that you were the second vote against me means very very little to me, Ishmael.

Yes, I know we all claim to be team Town, but after I am lynched, you will see that I am proved to be right. Just like I was proved to be correct about my prediction concerning Red flipping Town when she was lynched. Therefore, after I am proved to be correct, what will be your defense about yourself in this game then?

That I was wrong? On Day 2? Apparantly just like half of the other players in this game? Because obviously no one is ever wrong in Mafia before I came along and played in my very first game ever. Still don't understand why you're singling me out for thinking what everyone apparantly is. Is it because I'm the only one playing besides you today it seems? Because if so, I can certainly shut up and lurk like plenty of others have been doing. It isn't anything personal towards you Vam, I just got a ping off of you, but if you flip town then 10 of us playing will be wrong, not just me. Yell at Jack some for God's sake.

 

That's going to be your only defense? That you and the others were incorrect about me and about Red?

In my opinion, that is very very scummy and a lame defense. I do hope that any other members of the Town team have a better defense to use than that.

And Why am I singling you out? Well, as an admitted newcomer to the game, it is important for you to be able to establish your style of playing mafia. I believe that is important not only for you to see what styles of play suit you best, but also for the other players here to be able to learn about you and your mafia playing styles and methods.

Now that is a valid reason and believe it or not, is actually something I appreciate, because so far I really enjoy this game and want everyone here to push me to hopefully make me a better player. If this is the reason you're doing it, then as weird as it sounds, thanks. And I sincerely meant it when I said that I legitematly didn't think I was pushing anyone into a lynch on you. I did and still do think that out of everyone, you pinged me the hardest only because as this is Day 2, there hasn't been a whole lot of activity or serious discussion from anyone other than you. And what you did have to say just didn't ring true to me. Now it may be that you honestly believed what you said and I'm wrong, but I think that as much misdirection as goes on in here, I have to also take into account that you're just trying to throw us off. After all, isn't the whole point that whoever the scum happens to be, that they're supposed to say one thing, mean another, and the rest are to try and determine who's true and who's false? That's all I was attempting to do. And all I honestly did was make a gut decision and since it was from the gut, I just voted and never posted another word to anyone else trying to sway them to my way of thinking. Seriously. I mean, look back at all my posts since I voted for you, not once did I ever call for everyone to consolidate or bandwagon on you, they did that all on their own with no help whatsoever from me. And with the super big deal that's been made over my one vote and absolutely nothing else, it just makes me feel moreso that I was right. I'm sorry that I get that read, but I do, can't help it. But I also mean it when I say I do appreciate it if any of this is at all meant to help me become a better player that can contribute and help more in future games. I do feel really bad though if my learning in any way at all makes the game a lesser experience for you or anyone else that is already a master. I'll try to learn fast, improve, and not ruin it for you guys. But my vote still stands, my reasons for it still stand, and I mean it when I say I hope noone else cast their vote based on what I said but because they think you pinged them too. Hope we can get on the same page sometimes.

[Vambram]

 

 

 

Now that is a valid reason and believe it or not, is actually something I appreciate, because so far I really enjoy this game and want everyone here to push me to hopefully make me a better player. If this is the reason you're doing it, then as weird as it sounds, thanks.

 

You're welcome.

 

And I sincerely meant it when I said that I legitematly didn't think I was pushing anyone into a lynch on you. I did and still do think that out of everyone, you pinged me the hardest only because as this is Day 2, there hasn't been a whole lot of activity or serious discussion from anyone other than you.

 

I was not any more active than a few others during Day 2. And I was very inactive during the time as the votes started adding up against me.

 

And what you did have to say just didn't ring true to me. Now it may be that you honestly believed what you said and I'm wrong,

 

I did honestly believe what I had predicted about Red being Town, and I am also being honest in all of my posts during this game. Not all of my posts have given complete detailed answers, and some of my posts were misinterpreted, but such is life in a mafia game.

 

but I think that as much misdirection as goes on in here, I have to also take into account that you're just trying to throw us off. After all, isn't the whole point that whoever the scum happens to be, that they're supposed to say one thing, mean another, and the rest are to try and determine who's true and who's false? That's all I was attempting to do.

 

It is true that it's possible that I could have been trying to misdirect or throw others off of a lynch on myself earlier in Day 2. That is a possibility that everyone must always consider in mafia games. However, you shall see after I am lynched that I have been truthful with you and the others throughout this game thread.

 

And all I honestly did was make a gut decision and since it was from the gut, I just voted and never posted another word to anyone else trying to sway them to my way of thinking. Seriously. I mean, look back at all my posts since I voted for you, not once did I ever call for everyone to consolidate or bandwagon on you, they did that all on their own with no help whatsoever from me. And with the super big deal that's been made over my one vote and absolutely nothing else, it just makes me feel moreso that I was right. I'm sorry that I get that read, but I do, can't help it. But I also mean it when I say I do appreciate it if any of this is at all meant to help me become a better player that can contribute and help more in future games. I do feel really bad though if my learning in any way at all makes the game a lesser experience for you or anyone else that is already a master. I'll try to learn fast, improve, and not ruin it for you guys. But my vote still stands, my reasons for it still stand, and I mean it when I say I hope noone else cast their vote based on what I said but because they think you pinged them too. Hope we can get on the same page sometimes.

 

 

You may have lynched me based upon a "gut decision", and I am okay with that. However, before you actually made your vote against me official, you did indeed become one of the few metaphorically raining down FOS on me.

And I say to you and everyone else that voted to lynch me, and had FOS on me. After I am lynched, you shall see that I am on the Town team, and that you all have made a mistake in lynching the wrong person when you should have more seriously gone after people whom were acting just as scummy as you all think I was acting.

anyways, good luck Town. Because I sincerely believe that unless things improve for you all, that the mafia team players are going to outplay the Town again, and with this game.

 

 

[killuliu]

Vote Sakaea

 

FOS killuliu

 

 

I'd love an explanation of your vote and your FOS, please.

 

Reasons I gave in this post + your reaction to Alanna's death.

 

FOS on killuliu due to same type of death scene reaction post.

 

Sorry I wasn't that active recently due to the weekend.

 

:D Just saying that I find it funny that if one comments the death scene any way, then it will be seen as scummy. If one finds it sad we lose town, is happy we find scum etc. then he must be scum.. But it's ok, I just find it hilarious when mafia kills the symp who is supposed to be their helper.

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Sakaea (1): Hybrid

Vam (9): ameg, Ishy, kill, Sakaea, Krak, Lessa, Key, Jack, Christine

Jack (1): Wombat

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is Sunday 12:00 (noon) EST.

[Sakaea]

Vote Sakaea

 

FOS killuliu

 

 

I'd love an explanation of your vote and your FOS, please.

 

Reasons I gave in this post + your reaction to Alanna's death.

 

FOS on killuliu due to same type of death scene reaction post.

 

Sorry I wasn't that active recently due to the weekend.

 

 

Thanks. I am not getting into the whole Beloved convo again, so I'm not ignoring your case, I'm just saying, I said what I thought and you don't agree. That's all there is to that.

 

And I agree with Kill, any reaction to a death scene seems to be seen as scummy. So *shrugs* not much I can say in my defense there. I thought it was funny. Sorry if you find that scummy.

[Sedai]

People please quote posts only when necessary. It gets to be a difficult reread. I think ishy is scum. I also think Hybrid is scum.

[John E. Kelley]

Scum? Me? Naw....

[Vambram]

Hmmm, I came here online expecting to be lynched and to also read my death scene.

Oh well, it shall be interesting to see how the rest of this game goes, and I sincerely hope that the Town uses my lynching in order to figure out who the mafia team members are.

[Hybrid]

Reasons I gave in this post + your reaction to Alanna's death.

 

FOS on killuliu due to same type of death scene reaction post.

 

Sorry I wasn't that active recently due to the weekend.

 

 

Thanks. I am not getting into the whole Beloved convo again, so I'm not ignoring your case, I'm just saying, I said what I thought and you don't agree. That's all there is to that.

 

And I agree with Kill, any reaction to a death scene seems to be seen as scummy. So *shrugs* not much I can say in my defense there. I thought it was funny. Sorry if you find that scummy.

 

The reason wasn't concerning the Beloved discussion.

 

Regarding the reaction to death scenes, I've found that generally the people who celebrate the most when the mafia takes a hit are scum.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Sakaea (1): Hybrid

Vam (9): ameg, Ishy, kill, Sakaea, Krak, Lessa, Key, Jack, Christine

Jack (1): Wombat

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is Sunday 12:00 (noon) EST.

 

That's odd.

[Vambram]

What is odd, Wombat?

[WWWwombat]

She posted a vote count and no scene. You have more than the required votes to lynch yet there has been no indication from the mod that you have been lynched.

[keyholder21]

Well, this isn't a hammer game and it wasn't noon yet. I'm guessing she wanted to wait until deadline passed just in case people unvoted and such.

[WWWwombat]

Oh yeah. Forgot it wasn't hammer.

[Vambram]

Nevertheless, we are now at over 6 hours past the deadline.

I can only assume that leelou is busy with real life stuff, and that she will post the death scene, and what happens next, when she is able to come back here to Dragonmount.

[Leelou]

Sorry, hurt my shoulder today. Will post scene tomorrow morning.

[Leelou]

Everyone on set was arguing. No one could figure out who the murderers were. In a vain attempt for justice, Vam was sentenced to death. Calmly and regally, Vam stepped up to the makeshift noose. As the noose tightened around Vam's neck, Vam said "You can tell more about a person by what he says about others than you can by what others say about him."

 

Vam, the Celebrity Audrey Hepburn (princess), is dead. Due to you overwhelming grief and fear of the night, night turns to day.

 

It is now day, with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is Thursday 7 AM EST.

 

 

Final Vote Count:

Vote Count

 

Sakaea (1): Hybrid

Vam (9): ameg, Ishy, kill, Sakaea, Krak, Lessa, Key, Jack, Christine

Jack (1): Wombat

[Sedai]

Well wasn't that ironic.

[Sedai]

vote Hybrid

 

Still think he is scum.

[WWWwombat]

Vote: killuliu

[Krakalakachkn]

Oh, is night over already?

[Hybrid]

It was a twist on the usual Beloved Princess role -- night was skipped instead of day.

 

Vote Sakaea again though I'm OK with a killuliu vote too.

[Vambram]

I have already said what I wanted so say, so therefore, there's nothing else for me to add.

Except this.

Good luck, Town. I hope that you have the luck of Mat Cauthon's.

[John E. Kelley]

Vote Kill.

Your reaction to the death scene rubbed me the wrong way a little.