[DPR Mafia] Vampire Hunter 6 - Blind Thread

[berf]

Interesting.

 

God dammit Jack. Stop doing whatever you are doing, it's confusing as hell. It's hard to dispute two seperate LD results.

 

I still don't like the fact that you are admitted Cult. Something is up here.

[Nolder]

What Wombat said.

Also, just to point out. People can say that they are a Lie Detector, and that they have tested a statement for a Lie or not. But did it never occur to y'all that the person claiming to be a LD is LIEING about being an LD? Or perhaps that they are lieing about the answer they get?

are you just going to copy what everyone else is saying?

[Nolder]

you know what?

even though I don't trust min we probably have other lie detectors out there and I have an idea

 

jack is there any information you're withholding from the town? either about your role or about your allegiances?

answer directly please and include the question in your answer

[Sedai]

@Nolder why would a vamp recruit vet a werewolf? No matter what scenario the vamps are going to be set against the wolves and vice versa. So having a werewolf in the open as a pro-town group does them no good, in fact it does the vamps negative amounts of good. Vamps are going to try and kill the wolves to eliminate the wifom each night over who to recruit and they may be overly bold in their efforts because the werewolves are the only real counterbalance to the vamps. Like I said if the vamps recruit each hour and we kill a vamp every hour their numbers never change am they get closer to having a majority.

[Sedai]

Myself or any other werewolf in my cult wins with the town. Killing was not in our conversion pms. We can not be turned by the vamps.

[Sedai]

you know what?

even though I don't trust min we probably have other lie detectors out there and I have an idea

 

jack is there any information you're withholding from the town? either about your role or about your allegiances?

answer directly please and include the question in your answer

 

I figured making a new post would leave no room for grey areas or for an aes sedai answer to your question.

[John McClane]

Sorry for that post John. I just reread it. It sounded harsh. Wasn't meant to be. I'm just frustrated.

 

 

It's okay Jack - I am also a bit frustrated. You and everyone else, should know that my play style is often, but not always, that of "bad cop" or interrogator or complete jerk, the plays I make, the words I choose to use, are all done with purpose tied specifically to the game.

 

If I'm getting under your skin, its because I meant to in an effort to see if you'd crack.

 

If I'm being redundant, its because I feel good about a case and want to make sure I elicit as much content as I can from the person I am engaged with in order to provide material for evaluation. I don't like begging people to vote the same way I do, but I have no qualms about being the brute force that generates the content others might need to make or see a case.

 

I'm of the opinion that Nolder is playing stupid, not calling him stupid, but he is playing stupid in his exchanges with me, in order to disrupt the town's focus on this lynch, just like he took the focus off of my case on Blackhoof on D1, I've seen scum do this to players like me a million times... aggressive townie comes into the game, makes a good initial read - votes for scum with his first 2 cases - and suddenly someone else from the scum team engages the aggressive townie (me) in a game of "I know you are but what am I?" and word-twisting. Asking the aggressive townie to answer his questions repeatedly, even though the question has been answered ad naseum.

 

Anyway, just wanted you all to know - my play my be a turn off at times, but its all done with the spirit of the game in mind, and not meant to be personal. Christine and Nolder, I gave you guys a hard time last night, because I think you are doing scummy things amidst this tight deadline. No hard feelings.

 

Now... lets reach consensus on which number to vote for, end this Blind game, and go back and lynch Nolder and Christine, Song too... for good measure.

[Nolder]

@Nolder why would a vamp recruit vet a werewolf? No matter what scenario the vamps are going to be set against the wolves and vice versa. So having a werewolf in the open as a pro-town group does them no good, in fact it does the vamps negative amounts of good. Vamps are going to try and kill the wolves to eliminate the wifom each night over who to recruit and they may be overly bold in their efforts because the werewolves are the only real counterbalance to the vamps. Like I said if the vamps recruit each hour and we kill a vamp every hour their numbers never change am they get closer to having a majority.

1. this entire post reeks of self preservation to me, why not just say "please don't kill me" and get it over with?

2. I thought you were of the opinion that only original vamps could recruit? if so then wouldn't a pro town werewolf cult that can't be recruited make the game nigh unwinnable for vamps? hell even if all vamps can recruit they'd have to be damn lucky to consistently get a werewolf lynched each voting phase

explain how this could be balanced from the scum POV please

3. there are roles that can keep vamps numbers down

vig, bomb, maybe roleblocker, CULT?

also again I thought you were a proponent of only original vamps being able to recruit

if that's true just get the originals and don't worry about the recruits right?

4. you didn't answer my question so that you could be tested by a lie detector, please do so

[Nolder]

Myself or any other werewolf in my cult wins with the town. Killing was not in our conversion pms. We can not be turned by the vamps.

thanks but I still want more

say clearly that you are not withholding information from the town

[John McClane]

How about you stop making us wait for your take on the blind answers... its been hours, you still don't have a clear enough head to weigh in? Suspect.

 

 

My grandmother leaves today. We were staying up late playing Phase 10. You are getting far too hateful with your words, and honestly, I think you need to take a breather from this game.

 

You have now told someone you don't like them and you told me to screw myself. I think the worst of what I've said is that Nolder is a goofball. Maybe I don't know what "hateful" is, either way I've been aggressive, but not hateful.

 

In the post above, I asked you to get back to the subject of providing us with your vote and insights, after we'd seen multiple posts from you over the course of a few hours in which you said you needed a clear head to weigh in with a vote... but you had plenty of spunk to be able to defend yourself and try to discuss the Fast Game.

 

I point it out, because it comes across as 2 things - 1 you are avoiding casting a vote and taking a position, scum avoids making cases because they don't want game content out there that can come back to haunt them - and 2 continuing to argue about the Fast game at this moment is a distraction for the town, scum distracts.

 

Nothing personal, nothing "hateful" - both those agendas are scummy.

[Nolder]

How about you stop making us wait for your take on the blind answers... its been hours, you still don't have a clear enough head to weigh in? Suspect.

My grandmother leaves today. We were staying up late playing Phase 10. You are getting far too hateful with your words, and honestly, I think you need to take a breather from this game.

huh

I missed this before

sounds like someone wants you out of the picture mcclane

[Sedai]

@Nolder why would a vamp recruit vet a werewolf? No matter what scenario the vamps are going to be set against the wolves and vice versa. So having a werewolf in the open as a pro-town group does them no good, in fact it does the vamps negative amounts of good. Vamps are going to try and kill the wolves to eliminate the wifom each night over who to recruit and they may be overly bold in their efforts because the werewolves are the only real counterbalance to the vamps. Like I said if the vamps recruit each hour and we kill a vamp every hour their numbers never change am they get closer to having a majority.

1. this entire post reeks of self preservation to me, why not just say "please don't kill me" and get it over with?

2. I thought you were of the opinion that only original vamps could recruit? if so then wouldn't a pro town werewolf cult that can't be recruited make the game nigh unwinnable for vamps? hell even if all vamps can recruit they'd have to be damn lucky to consistently get a werewolf lynched each voting phase

explain how this could be balanced from the scum POV please

3. there are roles that can keep vamps numbers down

vig, bomb, maybe roleblocker, CULT?

also again I thought you were a proponent of only original vamps being able to recruit

if that's true just get the originals and don't worry about the recruits right?

4. you didn't answer my question so that you could be tested by a lie detector, please do so

 

1. Yes it is self preservation. The same thing you are doing by overly pushing a player who wins with the town. (There is more reason to believe that then not because a revealed LD said it. Understand there may be some doubts) you are an easy lynch and most people consider you scummy. Your trying to push the envolpe with me to keep yourself alive. Pot and kettle

 

2. Actually no Nolder. The vamps just have to have more numbers then the wolves. They get a recruit every night also. That point makes 0 sense.

 

3. a vig can just as likely take out town, remember the whole red thing, yeah red was shot by a vig and red was town. Bombs can just as likely or more then likely hit a townie because the scum rarely hammer. So I think it's perfectly balanced

 

4. I did actually. I made my own post to answer it so I couldn't wiggle around. I'm not going to continue this farce to prop yourself up. You still have yet to answer my question of how I could avoid a giving a true result to a LD. You just say she could have been turned. And yo neglect to answer why the vamps would want a werewolf group running around when they can't recruit them and they can't win with them. Like I said. No more Nolder. I'm not going to dance around all day with you about these points.

[Niniel]

I haven´t voted jet. I didn´t want to hammer before because I wanted to give the writer a chance to defend her/himself. Since most of you have decided to vote #15 I could maybe speed things up by voting #15. I can´t say I´m convinced that the one who wrote it is scum but the same goes for the other posts. I think that it was good to read them though and I will mention things from some of them that I found extra interesting when we´re back in the original game thread.

 

I´m going out on a date tonight. Yes, time with my bf without kids! So I won´t be here more today. Tomorrow I will tell you all about the last HP movie.

[John McClane]

#15. 1. A summary of what they think isgoing on. - That you are having fun! :) It's obvious there are now werewolvesrunning around among the vampires and townies, as to if they are protown or notis yet to be seen. 2. A listing of who they think is avampire. I think Alanna and maybe nolder are vampires. 3. Doubts or questions you have aboutyour team-mates. None that I can think of so far. 4. Anything else of value that youthink will benefit you and your win condition. Go townies! :)

this one is standing out to me

it's short and makes only enough accusation so as to not stand out as the only answer with no accusation

notice how no evidence is provided with those accusations (granted there were a few other answers that did the same thing)

 

to me this entire quote just seems designed to lay low

it's a given that nobody wants to be lynched but this person seems to have gone out of their way to be unhelpful in their answers

 

that's how I'm seeing it anyway

 

I also agree with john about #2 being overly defensive

yeah I'm going to Vote: #15

 

I'm a bit apprehensive about that since people are bandwagoning on it because of the "go townies!" thing but the rest of the message is still scummy enough that I can overlook that

and really everyone right about the "go townies!" thing being scummy

I guess it all just seems a little too obvious and that's what's bugging me

 

Well, there's a shocker... he stalls, muddies the waters and then boom put's the longest train at L2. Nothing scummy about that.

 

 

Upon reread, there is numerous little things I want to point out, but given that #15 is on my Scum-dar, and its at L-1, I am going to VOTE #15

 

Oh, didn't see this one coming at all...

 

Still keeping my vote on 15.

 

Nope, never expected it at all.

 

Final Vote Count:

#2 ( 3 ) - JohnM, Wombat, Alanna

#15 ( 9 ) - Amadine, JackD, Lily, Vambram, Ameg, Song, Nolder, 4Berfs, Christine

#9 ( 2 ) - Min, Leelou

With !7 players, it takes 9 to lynch.

PLEASE CONFIRM THAT YOUR VOTES STAY IN WHERE THEY ARE IN LIGHT OF THE NEW POST.

 

 

while I just read #17 (will post about it in my next post) and don't feel that it changes my mind I will Unvote: #15 for now so that others have a chance to analyze and such

 

Well guys, I've done what I can to shine a spotlight on Christine and Nolder - I've been right and I've been wrong plenty of times in this game. I could be wrong again here, but everything in my gut says at least one of them is scum with the way they've played this Blind game out. Keep it in your memory for when we return back to the regular game thread... I saw scummy maneuvering and I did what I could to squeeze them, I hope you all can see that.

[John McClane]

How about you stop making us wait for your take on the blind answers... its been hours, you still don't have a clear enough head to weigh in? Suspect.

My grandmother leaves today. We were staying up late playing Phase 10. You are getting far too hateful with your words, and honestly, I think you need to take a breather from this game.

huh

I missed this before

sounds like someone wants you out of the picture mcclane

 

 

Yeah, undoubtedly. Never seen that as a tactic before.

[Christine]

John. Get off my case. I told you you need to breath before continuing. You are definitly taking this game out of context.

 

Yes, I see numerous things to pick at for the blind vote, but the general consensus is to vote for #15, and I want a controlled vote quickly. Isn't that pro-town to be voting to get out the scummy person?

 

 

I am getting tired of you nagging at me constantly John. It's becoming absurd. I am not playing a scummy game, nor am I scum. Also, Nolder, I think you are innocent, so quit picking at one of the few people that doesn't think you are scum. I may change my mind.

 

 

Lie Detector me, please, someone. I am not scum.

[Nolder]

@Nolder why would a vamp recruit vet a werewolf? No matter what scenario the vamps are going to be set against the wolves and vice versa. So having a werewolf in the open as a pro-town group does them no good, in fact it does the vamps negative amounts of good. Vamps are going to try and kill the wolves to eliminate the wifom each night over who to recruit and they may be overly bold in their efforts because the werewolves are the only real counterbalance to the vamps. Like I said if the vamps recruit each hour and we kill a vamp every hour their numbers never change am they get closer to having a majority.

1. this entire post reeks of self preservation to me, why not just say "please don't kill me" and get it over with?

2. I thought you were of the opinion that only original vamps could recruit? if so then wouldn't a pro town werewolf cult that can't be recruited make the game nigh unwinnable for vamps? hell even if all vamps can recruit they'd have to be damn lucky to consistently get a werewolf lynched each voting phase

explain how this could be balanced from the scum POV please

3. there are roles that can keep vamps numbers down

vig, bomb, maybe roleblocker, CULT?

also again I thought you were a proponent of only original vamps being able to recruit

if that's true just get the originals and don't worry about the recruits right?

4. you didn't answer my question so that you could be tested by a lie detector, please do so

 

1. Yes it is self preservation. The same thing you are doing by overly pushing a player who wins with the town. (There is more reason to believe that then not because a revealed LD said it. Understand there may be some doubts) you are an easy lynch and most people consider you scummy. Your trying to push the envolpe with me to keep yourself alive. Pot and kettle

 

2. Actually no Nolder. The vamps just have to have more numbers then the wolves. They get a recruit every night also. That point makes 0 sense.

 

3. a vig can just as likely take out town, remember the whole red thing, yeah red was shot by a vig and red was town. Bombs can just as likely or more then likely hit a townie because the scum rarely hammer. So I think it's perfectly balanced

 

4. I did actually. I made my own post to answer it so I couldn't wiggle around. I'm not going to continue this farce to prop yourself up. You still have yet to answer my question of how I could avoid a giving a true result to a LD. You just say she could have been turned. And yo neglect to answer why the vamps would want a werewolf group running around when they can't recruit them and they can't win with them. Like I said. No more Nolder. I'm not going to dance around all day with you about these points.

2. you're assuming absolutely perfect play which makes no sense

do you honestly believe that vamps will keep picking the non wolves every night?

and combine that with lynch and vig kills and bombs

I have trouble believing vamps will have the advantage here

especially if what you're saying about wolves is true

 

4. yeah I did answer you

if you're not happy with the answer then why ask again?

also I also asked you if you are withholding anything from town which as of my quoting this post you have not yet answered

I don't know what the trick up your sleeve is but I know it's there somewhere

 

I don't understand what you mean about that second part

vamps wouldn't want a werewolf mason group they can't recruit from running around obviously

what's your point?

[Nolder]

Also, Nolder, I think you are innocent, so quit picking at one of the few people that doesn't think you are scum. I may change my mind.

that's a sad appeal Christine

just because we're in the same boat as lynch candidates doesn't mean I'm going to be your buddy

[Sedai]

Yes Nolder I am withholding information. I'm not going to reveal if I have recruited anyone, I'm not going to reveal if I have purchased any other roles so I can't answer that and give you a truthful result. If I reveal my teammates if I have any then the vamps will know who they can't recruit so I'm not giving that up. Don't like it vote me for it but just stop this nonsensical back and forth

 

What makes you think that the wolves won't target a vamp and miss there recruit? You are assuming a perfect game on the wolve part. The vamps can purchase roles like vig and bomb to think the towns numbers down and the vamps can use them more effectively then the townies. You seem to be awfully upset that the town may have a slight advantage over the vamps.

[John McClane]

John. Get off my case. I told you you need to breath before continuing. You are definitly taking this game out of context.

 

Yes, I see numerous things to pick at for the blind vote, but the general consensus is to vote for #15, and I want a controlled vote quickly. Isn't that pro-town to be voting to get out the scummy person?

 

 

I am getting tired of you nagging at me constantly John. It's becoming absurd. I am not playing a scummy game, nor am I scum. Also, Nolder, I think you are innocent, so quit picking at one of the few people that doesn't think you are scum. I may change my mind.

 

 

Lie Detector me, please, someone. I am not scum.

 

 

Making cases is part of the game Christine, no offense, but I'm playing the game. You say you want a controlled vote now (a very pro-town thing to say at this juncture) but there has been ample opportunity for a controlled vote, and yesterday you said you wanted a clear head so you could process all of the different blind answers and give us your vote... you never gave an original thought on any of them, and now you just hammered the longest train without ever delivering on the promise of sharing your insight on the blind answers that you needed to clear your head for.

 

The way this appears to me is stall by saying you need a clear head, distract by bringing up the Fast game, and see what happens with this train on #15, then hammer... I wonder if it was to bus yourself, or kill a townie?

 

Anyway, I'll nag at you for as long as you keep doing things that are scummy. I'm not calling you names, I'm just pointing out what I see as scummy play. This hammer vote, and your excuses, and you trying to make it look like I'm out of line for casing you and appealing to the mod about me being hateful, is scummy. IMO.

[Nolder]

Yes Nolder I am withholding information. I'm not going to reveal if I have recruited anyone, I'm not going to reveal if I have purchased any other roles so I can't answer that and give you a truthful result. If I reveal my teammates if I have any then the vamps will know who they can't recruit so I'm not giving that up. Don't like it vote me for it but just stop this nonsensical back and forth

maybe I will

I'll see you back in the main thread and we'll discuss this further

 

What makes you think that the wolves won't target a vamp and miss there recruit? You are assuming a perfect game on the wolve part. The vamps can purchase roles like vig and bomb to think the towns numbers down and the vamps can use them more effectively then the townies. You seem to be awfully upset that the town may have a slight advantage over the vamps.

that's obviously to the wolves advantage

if they try to recruit someone and fail then that player would be obvious vamp and would be lynched ASAP

 

and I'm not upset I'm just pointing out how the wolves as you describe them would be overpowered in this game

I don't think DPR would make the setup unbalanced like that

[Christine]

and you trying to make it look like I'm out of line for casing you and appealing to the mod about me being hateful, is scummy. IMO.

 

 

I didn't appeal to the mod. Get your facts straight. I never said anything to DPR about what you were saying to me, and in fact, I sent him a message apologizing for my behavior.

 

Yes you are playing a game, but there is a right way and a wrong way.

 

When I went to bed, there was 4-5 votes on #15. At the time, that post didn't look very scummy to me, so I wasn't going to vote on it right there. Others were on but didn't say anything. I was simply apologizing for not voting yet.

 

In the morning, I had a lot of opinions about the statements, but #15 screamed scum. So, I voted for it. No point in going on and on about something if it was the hammer vote.

 

Now. I am done with your casing. Vote me if you would like, you would just kill another town.

[John McClane]

and you trying to make it look like I'm out of line for casing you and appealing to the mod about me being hateful, is scummy. IMO.

 

 

I didn't appeal to the mod. Get your facts straight. I never said anything to DPR about what you were saying to me, and in fact, I sent him a message apologizing for my behavior.

 

Yes you are playing a game, but there is a right way and a wrong way.

 

When I went to bed, there was 4-5 votes on #15. At the time, that post didn't look very scummy to me, so I wasn't going to vote on it right there. Others were on but didn't say anything. I was simply apologizing for not voting yet.

 

In the morning, I had a lot of opinions about the statements, but #15 screamed scum. So, I voted for it. No point in going on and on about something if it was the hammer vote.

 

Now. I am done with your casing. Vote me if you would like, you would just kill another town.

 

Saying I am hateful in the game thread, is an appeal to the mod. Plain and simple.

 

My case on you is not for you to be done with. It is for the other players to react to. You don't have to respond further if you don't want.

[Nolder]

At the time, that post didn't look very scummy to me, so I wasn't going to vote on it right there.

 

In the morning...#15 screamed scum. So, I voted for it. No point in going on and on about something if it was the hammer vote.

obviously heavily edited but the other stuff was just about john

 

Christine I could be understanding here if you said the right things

but everything you're saying just makes you look scummier and scummier

 

#15 "didn't look very scummy" and then it "screamed scum"?

I could understand if it looked kind of scummy and then after sleeping on it you were more sure or something

but this is just a 180

why did your opinion on it change so drastically?

[Sedai]

Yes Nolder I am withholding information. I'm not going to reveal if I have recruited anyone, I'm not going to reveal if I have purchased any other roles so I can't answer that and give you a truthful result. If I reveal my teammates if I have any then the vamps will know who they can't recruit so I'm not giving that up. Don't like it vote me for it but just stop this nonsensical back and forth

 

What makes you think that the wolves won't target a vamp and miss there recruit? You are assuming a perfect game on the wolve part. The vamps can purchase roles like vig and bomb to think the towns numbers down and the vamps can use them more effectively then the townies. You seem to be awfully upset that the town may have a slight advantage over the vamps.