Russian Devil Hotel - Game Thread (ON)

[Verbal32]

Please give us a better candidate to lynch....and convince me. Convince me, Verbal. Tell me every last detail. Who is Kaiser Soze?

 

Hehehe....the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And like that.....*poof*......he's gone.

 

 

 

Now then, as far as you going along, that's not quite a lie but there is a big difference in going along with something and refusing to consider any other option. You've said it yourself in other games, townies don't withhold suspicions and you cannot deny that if you were afraid that your other considerations might be a distraction, then the case on me must be pretty weak in comparison.

 

Actually, the opposite. I didn't think the cases on the other candidates were as good as yours, so I didn't bother to regurgitate the same suspicions and instead voted for the lynch I agreed with the most at that time = yours. Please help me understand how to get this point across to you. I've repeated myself a few times here, and I won't do it again. If you are town, you surely are not acting it.

 

 

Or they took him out to give his recapore credibility. DPR made a post of tentacles animating dead flesh. As far as I can see our choices are lynch one of he undead right now or wait and see if someone comes back during the night phase. I say we take out Mynd for acting about as antitown as possible since coming back.

 

While I'm not about to start defending Mynd, I can't also say he's definitely been converted (as he was town at some point at least) and I'm not ready to lynch him when our numbers are so low.

 

We need more discussion on this. Do people think I'm a better lynch? We've lynched Krak and Kivam was NKed. We at least still have Krak available to speak, but Kiv is gone. If we lynch me, I would assume I'd be like Krak and still be able to participate? If so, then I won't be against a lynch on me to let the coroner confirm me. BUT, I want to make sure it is in the town's favor before I'd accept that.

[Aust]

So far, lynches have not been working well for us:

 

Mynd was lynched, and he was innocent at the time of his lynch, and then came back alive and now he's acting very strangely. He sees dead people.

 

Song was lynched, confirmed scum, and then became an even more dangerous scum! Killed the vig when the vig killed her.

 

Krak was lynched, and he was innocent at the time of his lynch, and also didn't die - we've yet to see what will happen with him.

 

 

There is no way that we'd be able to just lynch innocents and have them come back to the game just the same as ever, happy-as-pie townies - that would be way too unbalanced. This is either a game set up thing, or some kind of mafia power. Either way, this just doesn't stack up.

[alannalynn]

Interesting.....I received a "whisper" from the Mod that I was targeted by two players last night.

 

If this is the case, then that brings up quite a few questions.

 

1) More than one player had a power to use last night. Was this a one-shot power that was saved until last night?

 

2) It could not have been the mafia since Kivam's death is likely at the hands of said mafia. (See tentacles)

 

3) I have no power other than that at night, kills would be a waste on me. During the day, its a much different story. I did not target myself.

 

Since I didn't use a power on myself last night and the mafia likely targeted Kivam, then two non-mafia players targeted me. I would like for the two players who targeted me to come forward, thus clearing your names as well as my own, since one of you was likely a finder.

 

That would eliminate 3 players as potential scum, so we can focus on the remaining players. Make sense?

Really Mynd, are we so dim? That seems extremely dumb to me, or maybe one of the people who targeted you last night put tentacles in your skin. Or perhaps it was the Tooth Fairy come to get your tooth! I doubt this move would do anything but reveal what shouldn't be revealed and thus help the mafia with their targets. And Aust makes a good point:

 

Mynd are you sure that the only powers among the mafia are to NK? That would seem unlikely to me. Although with your recent behaviour I could understand why someone would investigate you. It really was too difficult to get clear details on your conversation with Song, and I don't believe you'd think it was a good idea to follow her recommendations if you were truly town.

 

Now you want to reveal our finder?? And another person on top of that!!!

You could easily be trying to clear a mafia member.

 

You remember that one time when you took Song's word? Krak turned up innocent, yes, but so did Kivam. Should we take bets on Verbal now?

 

I see my mistake was trusting Mynd. I got swept into it before I knew it.

 

I don't claim to have used any action on Mynd. but i say i am seeing things more clearly. Mynd is a symp. Its the only explanation I can come up with at the moment.

 

Can we even lynch the undead successfully? Are we willing to take that chance and give the mafia another kill? I don't think a symp can really hurt us as long as we know they are the symp and ignore them.

 

Wouldn't it be better to try and hang a mafia? Aemon and Alanna are now my top suspects for scum due to Mynds declaration of their innocence. Verbal is less likely to be scum.

I don't know about this, he was town aligned at the beginning, if anything, he's been turned to the dark side. It's either he or Krak that is now mafia, but I'm leaning Mynd, may explain why he believed Song, but that's still too obvious. Perhaps that's why he got Krak lynched first... (just some idle thoughts)

 

For the second part: he wouldn't make both of us his mafia buddies even if he WAS symp. He would name/protect one town, one mafia, so that if he's found out, a town is taken out in the process.

 

*getting to Verbal's post*

Edit after preview: and Aust's

[Toy and Minion]

Mynd is unlikely to have the towns best interest at this point. But I don't know if we can even lynch someone a second time and succeed. Might be worth testing on Mynd. But might not be worth it.

 

Krak was just lynched. Might have turned. Same as Mynd only 90% less suspect.

 

I'm pushing for Verbal to be innocent at this point. Krak and Kiv(?) were and Mynd's gunning for him. More likely a gambit than with Aemon, but I'm not convinced.

 

Aemon found Song. Could have been a gambit and he could be scum. But I haven't seen anything to suggest foul play thus far. I think we're okay on Aemon right now.

 

Alanna remains a constant hum on my radar. Not quite sure and haven't seen anything lately that jumps out at me or anything. Nothing to go on there.

 

Aust. Nothing on Aust. Could flip either way.

 

Wombat. See Aust.

 

Redust remains my top suspect. I don't know what his play is, but he was trying to get Kivam lynched and then jumped to Krak when that didn't work. Feel more comfortable about a lynch on Red then a lynch on Mynd/Krak or Verbal.

[alannalynn]

Unfortunately I don't have a thought on Verbal or Aust's posts, but at this point I'm leaning towards Redust. Honestly, he's been all over the map and that's not something a townie should be. I know it could or should be chocked up to newness, but there's something not sitting right there.

 

Also, looking back, and something to note, Toy was the L1 vote on the last two lynches, Krak being the first hammer that voted simultaneously and Red being second.

 

Edit after preview:

Mynd is unlikely to have the towns best interest at this point. But I don't know if we can even lynch someone a second time and succeed. Might be worth testing on Mynd. But might not be worth it.

 

Krak was just lynched. Might have turned. Same as Mynd only 90% less suspect.

 

I'm pushing for Verbal to be innocent at this point. Krak and Kiv(?) were and Mynd's gunning for him. More likely a gambit than with Aemon, but I'm not convinced.

 

Aemon found Song. Could have been a gambit and he could be scum. But I haven't seen anything to suggest foul play thus far. I think we're okay on Aemon right now.

 

Alanna remains a constant hum on my radar. Not quite sure and haven't seen anything lately that jumps out at me or anything. Nothing to go on there.

 

Aust. Nothing on Aust. Could flip either way.

 

Wombat. See Aust.

 

Redust remains my top suspect. I don't know what his play is, but he was trying to get Kivam lynched and then jumped to Krak when that didn't work. Feel more comfortable about a lynch on Red then a lynch on Mynd/Krak or Verbal.

Maybe you should get the bee out of your ear, may clear some things up. And I agree with you on Redust.

 

As for Verbal, if anything he's hiding in there with the other two Townies, but I don't know if it's safe to test that or not, I fear being wrong. For now though I'll take your word on it until he proves himself scummy. And Aemon? I highly doubt that's a gambit. First to claim a one shot role, then finding Song, it's pretty safe to assume he's town as far as I'm concerned.

 

I'm leaning Town on Aust, and I don't feel like I've heard enough from Wombat.

[Toy and Minion]

And Aemon? I highly doubt that's a gambit. First to claim a one shot role, then finding Song, it's pretty safe to assume he's town as far as I'm concerned.

 

Doubt does not disprove. But I agree. Highly unlikely. Simply like to keep the book open.

[alannalynn]

And Aemon? I highly doubt that's a gambit. First to claim a one shot role, then finding Song, it's pretty safe to assume he's town as far as I'm concerned.

 

Doubt does not disprove. But I agree. Highly unlikely. Simply like to keep the book open.

Hence the doubt and assuming, but you know what assuming does.

[Toy and Minion]

Yes. Plenty of experience in that department. In and out of mafia.

[Aust]

I'm not sitting comfortably at all in this game, nothing seems to add up properly.

 

Alana I agree that Wombat has been way too quiet and this has me unnerved... he's usually bouncing around like a jester, which tends to see him lynched - it's like he's being too careful.

 

Verbal - I'm really interested in your thoughts on who you think is scum. You and Mynd have been going back and forth for days now, and it's getting counter productive. The one valid criticism that I've seen lobbed your way so far is that you haven't really done anything to help out the town - you've just kind of gone with the flow and sparred with Mynd. Let's see some of that famous Verbal logic...

 

I've agreed that Redust has been suspicious for a few days now. Let's see where this leads.

 

Vote Redust

[alannalynn]

Good thing Toy voted early, we can't accidentally lynch someone again.

 

/end sarcasm

 

I'll hold off on voting until I hear a little more.

[Toy and Minion]

Just for you alanna, I'll unvote and revote so I can be the L-1 lynch.

[Toy and Minion]

L-1 vote, that is.

[aemonkristen]

I still think our beat bet would be to lynch one of our lynched-yet-living players. DPR has all but put up a neon sign that a dead person has been reanimated by tentacles. Unless song, Kiv or Lily suddenly comes back into play it has to be Mynd or Krak.

[Toy and Minion]

Yes, that concerns me as well. Only problem I have is what if it was up to the Vig to take them out, because players can't die from a lynch?

 

I guess it comes down to the question: Are we willing to risk one more Lynch, and the mafia potentially getting a free NK?

[WWWwombat]

I haven't been talking much lately because I found the whole WIFOM with Mynd's conversation with Song to be pointless. I find everyone who was discussing it to be scummy.

 

Also, notice how Aust is trying to lynch Redust (who is striking me as town) today yet he is already planting metagame seeds about me to possibly set me up for a lynch. Welcome back to my suspect list, Aust.

 

As for Aemon's point about the lynchees, there is also Redust's statement to be considered. I would like to know why Redust is so convinced that Mynd is a symp before we decide one way or the other on that.

[Myndrunner]

I fail to see how I have been acting scummy at all. Please point this out to me. I am not a symp. I remain innocent and the only thing that has changed for me was that I lost my one shot healer power and gained an advantage in the evening that makes night kills useless on me.

 

Better yet, let's look at the facts. Let's put aside the whole Song spoke to me thing and look at what we actually know.

 

1) Kivam was killed by tentacles. Songs used tentacles. Songs was mafia therefore it is quite likely that the mafia killed Kivam.

 

2) wwwwwWombat is quiet until someone mentions him in the thread. He was either lurking or someone notified him of being mentioned.

 

3) Aemon Kitten and AlannaLynn both revealed their one-shot powers before we all figured out that we all likely have (or had) one-shot powers.

 

What else? Please don't just say "XXXXX looks suspicious" you need to say why and point to evidence.

 

The reason that I was encouraging the two players to reveal is because we only have 9 players left. I doubt that in a game this small that there are more than 2 mafia players remaining, with Songs being the third. I could be wrong.

 

So...

 

Aemon Kitten - innocent (first to reveal, one-shot finder)

Alannalynn - innocent (second to reveal, one-shot healer)

Mynd - innocent (take my word for it, don't waste the lynch)

Krak - innocent (again, there are no changes to our status, that would be an unbalanced game)

 

Who is left?

 

Verbal

Redust

Aust

wwwWWombat

Toy and Minion

 

Among those last five, who are the most likely scum?

[WWWwombat]

I was lurking. I said we should ignore you but people weren't doing that and I already had a vote placed so I had nothing else to say.

[Toy and Minion]

Kivam's innocence goes against you, not for you, Mynd.

[Myndrunner]

Kivam's innocence goes against you, not for you, Mynd.

 

How so? Care to elaborate on this?

[Toy and Minion]

All of Day 3.

[Toy and Minion]

Completely Unrelated To The Game:

 

I noticed that DM has a member named Bluedust. Any more 'Color'dust's around here?

 

> Back To The Game

[Verbal32]

I still think our beat bet would be to lynch one of our lynched-yet-living players. DPR has all but put up a neon sign that a dead person has been reanimated by tentacles. Unless song, Kiv or Lily suddenly comes back into play it has to be Mynd or Krak.

 

There is merit to this statement. It makes sense to me.

 

 

I fail to see how I have been acting scummy at all. Please point this out to me. I am not a symp. I remain innocent and the only thing that has changed for me was that I lost my one shot healer power and gained an advantage in the evening that makes night kills useless on me.

 

Better yet, let's look at the facts. Let's put aside the whole Song spoke to me thing and look at what we actually know.

 

1) Kivam was killed by tentacles. Songs used tentacles. Songs was mafia therefore it is quite likely that the mafia killed Kivam.

 

2) wwwwwWombat is quiet until someone mentions him in the thread. He was either lurking or someone notified him of being mentioned.

 

3) Aemon Kitten and AlannaLynn both revealed their one-shot powers before we all figured out that we all likely have (or had) one-shot powers.

 

What else? Please don't just say "XXXXX looks suspicious" you need to say why and point to evidence.

 

The reason that I was encouraging the two players to reveal is because we only have 9 players left. I doubt that in a game this small that there are more than 2 mafia players remaining, with Songs being the third. I could be wrong.

 

So...

 

Aemon Kitten - innocent (first to reveal, one-shot finder)

Alannalynn - innocent (second to reveal, one-shot healer)

Mynd - innocent (take my word for it, don't waste the lynch)

Krak - innocent (again, there are no changes to our status, that would be an unbalanced game)

 

Who is left?

 

Verbal

Redust

Aust

wwwWWombat

Toy and Minion

 

Among those last five, who are the most likely scum?

 

Mynd, with the exception of what I bolded, I agree 100% with this post. Having said that, the unbalanced comment seems out of place. I'm pretty sure DPR could figure out a way to have alignments change and balance a game. He's done it plenty before. There could easily be changes to your status. Actually, it seems like lynches work as a mod reveal of alignment as they happen during the day and in the light, so DPR gives alignment. NKs produce no information. This is why I was pondering a lynch on myself today. I should live, and get mod confirmed town. And I can confirm what has happened with Mynd and Krak, as it would be highly unlikely for all 3 of us to have gone mafia once lynched. THAT would seem unbalanced to me.

 

Thoughts?

[aemonkristen]

lynching another (supposed) townie would be a wasted lynch indeed. I know there are many people following Mynd's thoughts on Verbal, but I believe we should go follow the cluse given us by DPR. Those are mod confirmed non-WIFOM statements.

[DPR]

This is a 24 hour warning shot. You know the deal.

[aemonkristen]

Mynd or Krak. I'm good with either and I have my vote on Mynd at the moment. What's the consensus?