Russian Devil Hotel - Game Thread (ON)

[Hybrid]

Ugh. I was posting in the morning, but ran out of time and had to go to class.

 

Thoughts:

 

I am pretty sold on Aemon being innocent. The public game information, from what I can see, makes no mention of one-shot roles, so there's no way for Aemon to have known there were one-shot roles in play if he were scum (unless the scum also have one-shot roles . . .)

 

I also caught the possible deflection towards Krak that Lily used when the bandwagon formed on Alanna. But Lily did the same thing with Aemon, and I don't see Alanna and Aemon on the same team at this stage in the game. Plus, if I'm understanding Kivam correctly (and that's a big conditional), he had a solid point about Lily's innocence.

 

This also means that T&M is now on my leaning-innocent list as well, for catching Kivam's hint so quickly.

 

I agree with Kivam about Alanna's reveal -- it's much dodgier than Aemon's. However, at this stage in the game, there's no need to gamble with it.

 

Something else I agree with: using all the one-shot powers tonight, and reveal the results of the one-shot powers. If someone has a Ghost role, it needs to be known now before end game. Consider: you use your one-shot Healer power to protect the Finder only to find out that you have a Vigilante Ghost role, and the Finder dies. Alanna not thinking of this is another reason that her reveal is suspect in my eyes.

 

I disagree, however, that we should reveal Ghost roles. I don't see any reason for innocents to want an early mass reveal of the more permanent roles, so that makes me a bit leery of Kivam despite all the innocent points he's brought up.

 

Oh, and I also have a one-shot role. Plus an interesting little tidbit for other one-shotters. If you target yourself with a one-shot role, regardless of what it is, and you have a Ghost Vigilante role, you will die.

 

Song is still one of my top suspects, because she also expressed doubt about Aemon's role reveal. I can find the post later if necessary, but I'm trying to rush this out right now before I have to go to class.

 

I'm a bit wary of Sir Redust because he played the newbie card in his last post. While he hasn't played much on DM that I know of, I remember the last game I played with him, since it was my first (and IIRC it was his first also - T&M's Fiddlyn Purge), and he played well. In fact, he was one of the few people to express suspicion of my scum teammates.

[Sir Redust]

more information equals more power to the town

[Myndrunner]

Helpful to who? I am innocent and had a one-shot ability similar to that of one claimed earlier. That has already been said. I'm already lynched. There is nothing else for me to do but wait for the gallows. Perhaps you should go back and re-read this thread with the mindset that I am going to flip innocent.

[Sir Redust]

I'm a bit wary of Sir Redust because he played the newbie card in his last post. While he hasn't played much on DM that I know of, I remember the last game I played with him, since it was my first (and IIRC it was his first also - T&M's Fiddlyn Purge), and he played well. In fact, he was one of the few people to express suspicion of my scum teammates.

 

Is called playing the newbie card when you're a newb?

 

I remember that game. Though I can't recall exactly what happened. I got lucky, mostly. And followed my gut like now. This is a much different game and I'm only being honest.

[Sir Redust]

Helpful to who? I am innocent and had a one-shot ability similar to that of one claimed earlier. That has already been said. I'm already lynched. There is nothing else for me to do but wait for the gallows. Perhaps you should go back and re-read this thread with the mindset that I am going to flip innocent.

 

I suspect what role you're claiming, but I'm asking for you, for the town, to tell us. As much as I want to believe your spaghetti/fireball/poetry roleclaim. Because that would be fun. Or you could just give us the cold shoulder as an "I told you so", but that's childish.

[Toy and Minion]

If nothing else, Mynds lynch could help us in deciding who to vote Day 2. I wouldn't be so hasty to believe Mynd is innocent just because he's on the gallows and there's no going back. I do find Redust's fishing for Mynds role both interesting and suspicious. I don't see what difference it could truly make.

[hotpocket2006]

What I don't get are the people saying that because Mynd and other people (including myself) questioned aemons reveal, means we're scummy and we don't have one shot powers. So basically what those people are saying is that we should believe everyone who says they have a one shot power, actually has a one shot power and we shouldn't question a reveal at all? Because that's ridiculous, of course we should question and doubt, it's stupid not to.

[Myndrunner]

This...

What I don't get are the people saying that because Mynd and other people (including myself) questioned aemons reveal, means we're scummy and we don't have one shot powers. So basically what those people are saying is that we should believe everyone who says they have a one shot power, actually has a one shot power and we shouldn't question a reveal at all? Because that's ridiculous, of course we should question and doubt, it's stupid not to.

 

To Reddust, I'm not sure what else I need to say. You're push on this is the scummiest thing you've done all game.....wait, who are you again?

 

To Toy-n-Minnow, who is being hasty? I'm already lynched and my coroner report will reveal my innocence. So, what is the harm to the town in everyone re-reading right now with the myndset that I am innocent? What are you afraid of?

 

Please hold Verbal to his other 3 suspects and the evidence he purposely withheld because he felt they would be a distraction from my lynch. Also, I ask the town to consider AlannaLynn's distancing herself from me to actually be an innocent move. If she were mafia, she'd know my innocence and would want to connect herself to me as much as possible. Kivam and Lily are doing the opposite.

 

I don't know what else to say at this point. Have fun everyone and please, for the Light, make up your own mynds....don't be led so easily by others.

 

Play the game you signed up for.

[Sir Redust]

To Reddust, I'm not sure what else I need to say. You're push on this is the scummiest thing you've done all game.....wait, who are you again?

 

What's the second scummiest thing I've done?

 

Honelsty, if it's that much trouble for you to give us this one last shred of information before you can't say anything ever again, then by all means, stay quiet.

 

 

Who am I? Not sure where you're going with that except for distraction, which would be weird.

[Toy and Minion]

To Toy-n-Minnow, who is being hasty? I'm already lynched and my coroner report will reveal my innocence. So, what is the harm to the town in everyone re-reading right now with the myndset that I am innocent? What are you afraid of?

 

Once again you fail to understand me. Glad you brought it up though, as it gives me the chance to clear this up before a scum can use it to set up my lynch.

 

People have a tendency to feel sympathetic for the lynchee just before he's lynched. I'm just warning everyone to wait until the coroner report before believing anything you say. I urge everyone to re-read, it's you who seemed to be against re-reading (I'll pull up a quote if you can't remember). Myndset. That's cute.

[Toy and Minion]

Hey, who you calling a minnow?

[LilyElizabeth]

Song, the thing that made Mynd suspicious is that he basically said he didn't think there were one shot powers. It gave the rest of us the impression that he didn't know what we knew. Or at least some of us. Doubting a reveal doesn't make one suspicious. The way he did it did.

[hotpocket2006]

Ugh. I was posting in the morning, but ran out of time and had to go to class.

 

Thoughts:

 

I am pretty sold on Aemon being innocent. The public game information, from what I can see, makes no mention of one-shot roles, so there's no way for Aemon to have known there were one-shot roles in play if he were scum (unless the scum also have one-shot roles . . .)

 

I also caught the possible deflection towards Krak that Lily used when the bandwagon formed on Alanna. But Lily did the same thing with Aemon, and I don't see Alanna and Aemon on the same team at this stage in the game. Plus, if I'm understanding Kivam correctly (and that's a big conditional), he had a solid point about Lily's innocence.

 

This also means that T&M is now on my leaning-innocent list as well, for catching Kivam's hint so quickly.

 

I agree with Kivam about Alanna's reveal -- it's much dodgier than Aemon's. However, at this stage in the game, there's no need to gamble with it.

 

Something else I agree with: using all the one-shot powers tonight, and reveal the results of the one-shot powers. If someone has a Ghost role, it needs to be known now before end game. Consider: you use your one-shot Healer power to protect the Finder only to find out that you have a Vigilante Ghost role, and the Finder dies. Alanna not thinking of this is another reason that her reveal is suspect in my eyes.

 

I disagree, however, that we should reveal Ghost roles. I don't see any reason for innocents to want an early mass reveal of the more permanent roles, so that makes me a bit leery of Kivam despite all the innocent points he's brought up.

 

Oh, and I also have a one-shot role. Plus an interesting little tidbit for other one-shotters. If you target yourself with a one-shot role, regardless of what it is, and you have a Ghost Vigilante role, you will die.

 

Song is still one of my top suspects, because she also expressed doubt about Aemon's role reveal. I can find the post later if necessary, but I'm trying to rush this out right now before I have to go to class.

 

I'm a bit wary of Sir Redust because he played the newbie card in his last post. While he hasn't played much on DM that I know of, I remember the last game I played with him, since it was my first (and IIRC it was his first also - T&M's Fiddlyn Purge), and he played well. In fact, he was one of the few people to express suspicion of my scum teammates.

 

Most of this whole post is suspicious to me, but I bolded the part where I was suspicious also because I doubted aemons reveal. I don't get how doubting a reveal is at all scummy. I think not questioning it and taking it for face value is a lot scummier. I also assume he used the word also because he was refering to Mynd as also questioning aemons reveal.

 

Also how do we know that all ghost roles are good/helpful. And how would Hybrid know about the Vig thing? I don't like all this half reveal schtuff. It all seems really fishy to me.

[LilyElizabeth]

Now I understand what you were saying. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Toy and Minion]

Well, I'm going offline for a while. Check back in later.

[DPR]

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only a black tentacle pulling back into the grinning woman's mouth...

 

You blink, and the woman stares at you with no expression. You look away, bringing your attention back to the group you came the hotel with.

 

Low-grade tension has plagued the group for days, but the arguments finally become heated, and Mynd is one chosen to burn.

 

A noose appears, and is quickly looped around his neck. The crowd is out of patience. The line goes taut.

 

MYND, A TOWNIE WITH A ONE-SHOT HEALING ABILITY, HAS BEEN LYNCHED.

 

His hands fly to his throat, clawing at the rope and finding space between his sweat-slicked skin and the tightening coil. He stops his struggle and stares at you through red-rimmed eyes. He breathing is laboured, but he is still breathing.

 

After a few minutes, it becomes clear that he is not dying.

 

AN ACTION HAS BEN TRIGGERED.

 

PLEASE TURN IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS.

[Sir Redust]

lynched but not dying?

[DPR]

lynched but not dying?

 

 

Correct.

 

 

[Kivam]

Something else I agree with: using all the one-shot powers tonight, and reveal the results of the one-shot powers. If someone has a Ghost role, it needs to be known now before end game. Consider: you use your one-shot Healer power to protect the Finder only to find out that you have a Vigilante Ghost role, and the Finder dies. Alanna not thinking of this is another reason that her reveal is suspect in my eyes.

 

I disagree, however, that we should reveal Ghost roles. I don't see any reason for innocents to want an early mass reveal of the more permanent roles, so that makes me a bit leery of Kivam despite all the innocent points he's brought up.

 

Of course nobody should reveal any ghost roles, and I never suggested we should. That's as ridiculous as a mass reveal in a regular game.

 

What made you take that impression from my posts?

[Kivam]

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only a black tentacle pulling back into the grinning woman's mouth...

 

You blink, and the woman stares at you with no expression. You look away, bringing your attention back to the group you came the hotel with.

 

Low-grade tension has plagued the group for days, but the arguments finally become heated, and Mynd is one chosen to burn.

 

A noose appears, and is quickly looped around his neck. The crowd is out of patience. The line goes taut.

 

MYND, A TOWNIE WITH A ONE-SHOT HEALING ABILITY, HAS BEEN LYNCHED.

 

His hands fly to his throat, clawing at the rope and finding space between his sweat-slicked skin and the tightening coil. He stops his struggle and stares at you through red-rimmed eyes. He breathing is laboured, but he is still breathing.

 

After a few minutes, it becomes clear that he is not dying.

 

AN ACTION HAS BEN TRIGGERED.

 

PLEASE TURN IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS.

 

Interesting. Mynd, with a one-shot healing role, you should have anticipated the existence of one-shot finder roles. Why in the world would you react the way you did to Aemon's claim?

[Hybrid]

Kivam, it was here:

 

L-1? I have no choice then, do I? I have a one shot healer ability, which I hate admitting A) because of the role and B) because I know it will be looked at warily after Aemon's one-shot finder ability. After he revealed I questioned how many one shot abilities are in the game, being that we have ghost roles as well. If there are more you with 1x abilities, I hope my reveal has more credit that it sounds like it would if I were reading this right now.

Also, great job getting both the finder and the healer to reveal Day 1.

 

That quote is why I don't believe your claim. If you have a one-shot healing ability, then you know full well that you are not "the healer" - you're just someone with a one-shot healing ability. The plan would be to use it tonight, and see if you have a ghost role.

 

That said, MYND clearly does not have a one-shot ability (given his skepticism of Aemon). I strongly suspect that all townies were given one-shot abilities (yes, I have one too, which is why I instantly believed Aemon when he said he had one, and no, I won't tell you what it is). As such, I suggest one of the following courses of action:

 

A) Lynch Alanna (because I don't believe her, and because a 1-shot healer isn't really a dramatic loss even if she's telling the truth, since the odds of guessing correctly on your one heal are extremely low);

 

B) Lynch Mynd, who is almost equally suspicious, and doesn't have a 1-shot role to use; or

 

C) No-lynch, everyone use their one-shot role tonight, and we reconvene tomorrow with more information (everyone reveals what they claim their action and result was - finds, heals, tracks, blocks, etc.) and our ghost roles triggered, if any.

 

Like I said, of all of those, lynching Alanna is my favorite option, since I think she's a LLL. So I'm not unvoting. But I'll go with the group on this if you guys want to go for plans B or C.

[hotpocket2006]

Yep that seems pretty cut and dry to me Kiv...

[Hybrid]

As for Song, it wasn't that you doubted that Aemon was telling the truth. What you doubted was the one-shot power:

 

I also think the one shot power thing is wierd. Maybe an action will trigger it to be permaneant? Or maybe actions will trigger other long term powers? I also think that two revealed players on Day 1 is pretty screwed up. I don't neccessarily believe both of them, but I'm unwilling to take that chance right now.

 

This gives me the sense that you do not have a one-shot power.

[hotpocket2006]

I didn't doubt the one shot power itself, I doubted that they were going to stay one shot powers. It was in regard to game mechanics, not that someone had a one shot power.

[Hybrid]

Also how do we know that all ghost roles are good/helpful. And how would Hybrid know about the Vig thing? I don't like all this half reveal schtuff. It all seems really fishy to me.

 

I don't know that there is a Vigilante Ghost role. What I do know is that it was the role discussed in the example DPR gave in his explanation of ghost roles, so I asked a question about what would happen if you targeted yourself and happened to be a Ghost Vigilante.

 

I didn't doubt the one shot power itself, I doubted that they were going to stay one shot powers. It was in regard to game mechanics, not that someone had a one shot power.

 

OK. I can see that misinterpretation as well.