What is the voice is not truly LLT?

[Dagon Thyne]

I was thinking about something......Rand is linked to Morridin....and Morridin has a renewed link to the Dark One from when he was revived.......What is LTT is actually the DO in Rand's head trying to force him down a path that would lead to failure.....Rand can channel the True Power through Morridin...so why could it not work both ways and the Dark One and get into Rand's head......

 

 

perhaps the Dark One knows that if Rand loses his humanity and emotion then he will not be strong enough to win, so he devised a way to force Rand to become emotionless and void of any humanity....

 

 

What do you think?

 

 

ANd I meant LTT in the title LOL

[Agitel]

Your theory is correct on the DO's plans for Rand, however Rand was hearing LTT before his link to Moridin began. The common theory is that the voice is NOT real, it's his madness. However, the memories are real. The stress, and Rand's denial and refusal to accept the memories, along with his growing insanity, led to the creation of the LTT voice in his head.

[Dagon Thyne]

Your theory is correct on the DO's plans for Rand, however Rand was hearing LTT before his link to Moridin began. The common theory is that the voice is NOT real, it's his madness. However, the memories are real. The stress, and Rand's denial and refusal to accept the memories, along with his growing insanity, led to the creation of the LTT voice in his head.

 

 

 

Morridin and Rand have no idea when or how the link formed...it could be that both of them are linked throughout the ages...perhaps Morridin is the spirit that opposes the Chosen of Light in each Last Battle......it is never clear in the books that the link was formed before or after Rand left the two rivers.....They did DISCOVER the link until the last few books...but that does nt mean it was not there....even with Ishmael....

[Demiandre]

I shall contradict Dagon Thyne there. The link formed in Shadar Logoth, when the Balefire crossed. The nature of the connexion is strange, as the description of the direct effect of the crossing of streams is akin to the description of Rand cutting Asmo's black cords.

 

So it is a reaction of a TP-OP contact, or something else, that is the question.

 

As for LTT not being there, yes and no. As said Agitel. It isn't a real voice, but memories and maneurism really are LTT's.

[didymos]

As for LTT not being there, yes and no. As said Agitel. It isn't a real voice, but memories and maneurism really are LTT's.

 

Actually, this can't be answered, because RJ didn't want it to reveal what exactly was going on, and Brandon isn't going to either. We only have what people in the books think it was.

[Demiandre]

Look at what is conscious, and what isn't. Rand doesn't realize he is humming when a pretty woman walks by, neither does he realize he is massing his ear directly.

 

But the voice seems too conscious, too affected by what is around, answering to the environment. But I think there are also memories/knowledges flooding through that voice. But the voice, LTT's emotion/way of speaking/madness is Rand madness.

 

I don't pretend it is the True Answer, but it is how I believe it is.

[didymos]

Look at what is conscious, and what isn't. Rand doesn't realize he is humming when a pretty woman walks by, neither does he realize he is massing his ear directly.

 

But the voice seems too conscious, too affected by what is around, answering to the environment. But I think there are also memories/knowledges flooding through that voice. But the voice, LTT's emotion/way of speaking/madness is Rand madness.

 

I don't pretend it is the True Answer, but it is how I believe it is.

 

I'm not saying there isn't evidence for either interpretation. Or that the evidence can't be accomodated by either interpretation. That's actually the problem: RJ set it up to be undecidable. For all we know, both have been true at different times. Maybe lucid Lews was real, and nutbar Lews was the construct. Or vice-versa.

[Agitel]

While we don't have a definite answer, my guess is that the direct cause of the link between Moridin and Rand, while certainly starting at Shadar Logoth, was because of the nature of balefire. Each stream of balefire negated the other, but if one was negated, then it couldn't have negated the other, so that would still exist, and vice versa. They negated each other, but if they did that, then they'd both exist. The Pattern had to make sense of the situation, and my guess is that it corrected it by linking the two of them by considering them to be the same person. That there was only one stream, and that it came from 'one person' (as the Pattern sees it), to be exact (excuse me if I'm redundant today).

 

I have a theory that their 'threads' intertwined at that point, which makes me wonder if any of the Prophecies linked to Rand are actually about Moridin, but because the threads are intertwined and they're considered linked/the same they're linked to Rand. For example, "to live, you must die" makes me wonder about what would happen if Moridin died. Would it consider it to be Rand's death because of the link and how they're connected?

[Dagon Thyne]

While we don't have a definite answer, my guess is that the direct cause of the link between Moridin and Rand, while certainly starting at Shadar Logoth, was because of the nature of balefire. Each stream of balefire negated the other, but if one was negated, then it couldn't have negated the other, so that would still exist, and vice versa. They negated each other, but if they did that, then they'd both exist. The Pattern had to make sense of the situation, and my guess is that it corrected it by linking the two of them by considering them to be the same person. That there was only one stream, and that it came from 'one person' (as the Pattern sees it), to be exact (excuse me if I'm redundant today).

 

I have a theory that their 'threads' intertwined at that point, which makes me wonder if any of the Prophecies linked to Rand are actually about Moridin, but because the threads are intertwined and they're considered linked/the same they're linked to Rand. For example, "to live, you must die" makes me wonder about what would happen if Moridin died. Would it consider it to be Rand's death because of the link and how they're connected?

 

 

 

 

You just gave me an idea!

 

 

If you are right and they are the same person in the pattern because of the link, then it is possible that this is the "to live, you must die" part of the prophesy......If they are one then by killing morrison, Rand could be destroying part of himself....thus, part of him died....bubut another part of himself lives on to face and destroy the DO.....