Chapter Titles (Full List In Order From The Book)

[Terez]

In case you didn't know, Brandon left the guessing game open on his site. The guy who found the last code in Venice just entered another one - 'Court of the Sun'.

 

Some think this has to do with Galad, but considering what we know, I think it unlikely. More likely to have something to do with Elayne.

[Sid]

And when the blood was sprinkled on ground where nothing could grow, the Children of the Dragon did spring up, the People of the Dragon, armed to dance with death. And he did call them forth from the wasted lands, and they did shake the world with battle.

 

-From The Wheel of Time by Sulamein so Bhagad

Chief Historian at the Court of the Sun, the Fourth Age

 

hmm...

[Terez]

Yes, the general assumption is that it refers to Cairhien in the next Age...but it appears as though the court is probably already called that.

[TonyMacaroniGlenholmes]

elayne has to get the throne of Cairhien at some point...

[Luckers]

Yes, the general assumption is that it refers to Cairhien in the next Age...but it appears as though the court is probably already called that.

 

Quite eerily I was listening to 'The Rose', which contains the line 'the seed, that with the sun's love, in the spring becomes the Rose...'

 

It made me think--Elayne's base is in Andor, and she'll want to hold on to her origins to maintain the allegience of the Andoran people if not through sheer loyalty--but she'll also want to make a gesture to the Cairhienin.

 

Perhaps the Court of the Sun will be the name of Elayne's new court. The Court of the Sun, ruled by the Rose Crown.

 

In any case I think the Court of the Sun refers to Elayne claiming the Sun Throne.

[Terez]

elayne has to get the throne of Cairhien at some point...

She doesn't, really. People tend to be divided between Galad and Moiraine as to who will actually get it, but most people tend to agree it won't be Elayne.

 

That being said, she does have the intent to claim it some time soon, and I suspect she will make a trip there at some point in TOM.

 

Also, when I mentioned this on Twitter, Peter told me that he likes the Moiraine and Thom theory. It might not have been intended that way, but it gave me the feeling that it won't be revealed in this book who will rule Cairhien, which is what I suspected in the first place.

[Luckers]

most people tend to agree it won't be Elayne.

 

Based on what, precisely?

[Terez]

Probably based on the fact that she's an obvious placeholder. She's already got a throne, so she doesn't need another one, and it took her the whole series to claim the one. And there are two people we like who have strong claims, so there's no need for her to rule Cairhien.

[Luckers]

Ummm. Neither Galad nor Moiraine have strong claims to controlling House Damodred, much less the Sun Throne.

[neugebms]

Terez,

 

How did you find out about Court of the Sun, and/or where is a list that includes it. I've never been able to find a list of found Chapter Titles on Brandon's site, and I didn't see it on your Google Docs site either.

 

Just curious to have the best place to stay up to date...

 

Neug

[Terez]

Ummm. Neither Galad nor Moiraine have strong claims to controlling House Damodred, much less the Sun Throne.

They both have strong claims to both, though Moiraine's claim is probably stronger since she is pure Cairhienin and she was raised in the Sun Palace. Damodred is going to be looking for a new High Seat now that Caraline is marrying Darlin. Judging by the law that denied Taringail the throne because of his marriage to Morgase, it seems the Cairhienin frown on that sort of thing, though there appears to be a loophole that allows Elayne to claim it. They probably didn't anticipate that particular situation, and in ordinary circumstances they probably would have simply laughed off such a claim if it did arise.

 

How did you find out about Court of the Sun, and/or where is a list that includes it. I've never been able to find a list of found Chapter Titles on Brandon's site, and I didn't see it on your Google Docs site either.

 

Just curious to have the best place to stay up to date...

This one just came in from cuthbert on Twitter.

 

I figured no one was paying attention to the Hunt doc any more, so I just came here to post the news.

[TheAngryDruid]

Ummm. Neither Galad nor Moiraine have strong claims to controlling House Damodred, much less the Sun Throne.

 

Whether one considers them strong or not is one thing, but both are stronger than Elayne's?

 

We know Moiraine's is pretty strong, the AS were getting ready to sit her on the throne in NS as the head of house Damodred. Now, that was 20 years ago, and other claimants may be there, but if she pressed it, she's probably the eldest and most capable person. The only problem is, we know she absolutely doesn't want to do it from NS. Though this could have changed.

 

As for Galad, he is the elder sibiling, and both his and Elayne's claims go through Taringail Damodred. But Galad is a Damodred, while Elayne is a Trakand (with Damodred blood, obviously).

 

Heck, I think Dobraine would be an excellent choice as well.

 

Edit: BTW, the discussion about Cairhienin claims led be to read Linda's article at the 13th, it is excellent, per the usual, and sheds some light on the claims for the Sun Throne, and Damodred's High Seat.

 

http://13depository.blogspot.com/2002/03/noble-houses-of-cairhien.html#tree

 

Short version: Damodred, Riatin, and then Saighan and Tarborwin + one other are the most powerful Houses in Cairhien. And almost every major player/high seat has either: sworn fealty to Rand (Dobraine/Taborwin), has forsworn the throne (Ailil/Raitin), backs Elayne as Queen (Caraline/Damodred + Ailil). So, Elayne looks the clear front runner.

 

1) Damodred: Moiriane, Galad, Elayne, and Gawyn all have excellent claims to be High Seat of Damodred, but Caraline currently is (I think), and she has already told Rand she'd back Elayne as Queen. If Elayne is Queen, she'll have to appoint someone to run the Court in Cairhien, as she won't be able to be in two places (Mo, Galad, Dobraine seem the best bets).

 

2) Riatin. Ailil Riatin appears to be the next High Seat. She forswore all claims to the Sun Throne in favor of Elayne and appeared ready to swear fealty to Rand.

 

3) Saighan. Bertome looks to have taken over for Colavaere. We know from the books that this House has a weaker claim than Damodred or Riatin, and t/f Colavaere's claim wouldn't hold without support from the Tower or Rand. Rand doesn't trust Bertome, who is not as ambitious as Calavaere, is smart, and also has been seen plotting with Wieramon.

 

4) Taborwin. This is Dobraine's house.

 

5) Unnamed house: Lord Maringail (dead). Easily as powerful as Saighan or Taborwin. No idea what happened here.

 

If Damodred (Caraline), Riatin (Ailil), and Taborwin (Dobraine) all support Elayne, she'll get it almost certainly, if she wants it. Two of them have already pledged to do so, and the third is sworn to Rand, who also wants it.

[Terez]

We know Moiraine's is pretty strong, the AS were getting ready to sit her on the throne in NS as the head of house Damodred. Now, that was 20 years ago, and other claimants may be there, but if she pressed it, she's probably the eldest and most capable person. The only problem is, we know she absolutely doesn't want to do it from NS.

Not true. We know she didn't want to do it then, and we know her reasons:

1. She feared the mobs, saw them as an inevitable result of an Aes Sedai queen. Elayne has already proven that wrong, both by being crowned in Andor with no mobs, and by having been accepted by the Cairhienin already.

2. She feared the job would force her to stoop to 'assassination and worse'. This fear was largely based in Moiraine's own insecurity; she felt like the Cairhienin nobility would walk all over her. She is a legend in Cairhien now, and with Thom ruling by her side, the Game of Houses will be the least of her worries. Not only that, she has considered assassination rather coldly as an Aes Sedai (because it was Aes Sedai, after all, who invented the Game in the first place).

3. She had better things to do at the time, like chasing after the Dragon Reborn. Now she's found him, and he needs someone he can trust to rule Cairhien.

 

Elayne agreed to take the Sun Throne as a favor to Rand. She would never have sought it on her own, because she's not really all that ambitious, and she is Andoran at heart. To rule Andor is all she has ever wanted. I don't think it is coincidence that it took Elayne all this time to gain the Lion Throne. She's a placeholder.

[Duskfire]

We know Moiraine's is pretty strong, the AS were getting ready to sit her on the throne in NS as the head of house Damodred. Now, that was 20 years ago, and other claimants may be there, but if she pressed it, she's probably the eldest and most capable person. The only problem is, we know she absolutely doesn't want to do it from NS.

Not true. We know she didn't want to do it then, and we know her reasons:

1. She feared the mobs, saw them as an inevitable result of an Aes Sedai queen. Elayne has already proven that wrong, both by being crowned in Andor with no mobs, and by having been accepted by the Cairhienin already.

2. She feared the job would force her to stoop to 'assassination and worse'. This fear was largely based in Moiraine's own insecurity; she felt like the Cairhienin nobility would walk all over her. She is a legend in Cairhien now, and with Thom ruling by her side, the Game of Houses will be the least of her worries. Not only that, she has considered assassination rather coldly as an Aes Sedai (because it was Aes Sedai, after all, who invented the Game in the first place).

3. She had better things to do at the time, like chasing after the Dragon Reborn. Now she's found him, and he needs someone he can trust to rule Cairhien.

 

Elayne agreed to take the Sun Throne as a favor to Rand. She would never have sought it on her own, because she's not really all that ambitious, and she is Andoran at heart. To rule Andor is all she has ever wanted. I don't think it is coincidence that it took Elayne all this time to gain the Lion Throne. She's a placeholder.

 

She actually has more support for the Sun Throne then she ever did for the the Lion. As pointed out, all she really needs to do is get the support of Dobraine and she'll basically be guaranteed it. And this is before she is activily pushing for it. I agree that orginally she didnt want it, but since becoming ruler of Andor, I can definetly see her leaning toward expanding her power.

 

The reason why readers dont want ELayne having the throne is because she is hated by like 95% of us. Its got nothing to do that there are people with stronger claims. There isn't. When you have two major houses backing Elayne, then she is the strongest, as opposed to Moiraine and Galad who have well... none.

[Terez]

She actually has more support for the Sun Throne then she ever did for the the Lion.

Only because Rand has them in an iron fist. Or had you forgotten Colavaere?

 

The reason why readers dont want ELayne having the throne is because she is hated by like 95% of us.

I don't believe that is the reason at all. Not even 95% of readers hate Egwene, and Egwene is far more hated than Elayne.

 

Its got nothing to do that there are people with stronger claims. There isn't. When you have two major houses backing Elayne, then she is the strongest, as opposed to Moiraine and Galad who have well... none.

Moiraine is presumed dead, and Galad joined the Whitecloaks a long time ago, so I'm not sure what your point is.

[TheAngryDruid]

Geez Terez, I can tell by your responses you didn't read Linda's article.

 

It it more than just Rand (and Dobraine) gathering support for Elayne on the Sun Throne, but Aes Sedai also. For much the same reasons they were eager to put Moiraine there 20 years prior.

 

While I think there may be some with technically stronger claims (Moiraine, Galad, Caroline), none have the support 3 of the 4 most influential Cairhinin Houses + the White Tower + the Dragon reborn.

 

And I'm really baffled by your placeholder comment. She'll need to name someone to rule there in fact (in her place), is that what you mean?

 

And it really didn't take her long to secure Andor, just RJ had that storyline in the books where not much time passed (or went backwards). And the length of time it took her is due to Morgase (and Rahvin) totally screwing Andor up.

 

Last, it kind of seems obvious to me that the characters we've seen will play a major part of holding the lands controlled by the Dragon together, and at peace, long after the Last Battle.

 

1. Egwene in the Tower (with Gawyn?). Strong ties to Andor, and Elayne (Andor), and the Aiel (maybe they'll end up occupying some of the unoccupied land north of Andor & around TV and Cairhien. She also is close to Perrin (Saldea/Ghealdan/+more), and Seanchan prince (Mat). Oh, and the Queen of the Malkieri. And has fond feeling for Algemar in Shienar.

 

2. Elayne in Andor/Carihien. Close with Egwene (Tar Valon), Nynaeve (Malkier). Her half brother (Galad) is half brother to the Dragon, and may marry someone who rules part of the Seanchan (Berelain). Her babies are have two royal Andoran bloodlines in them (Tigraines and Trakand), Damodred's, not to mention the Car'a'carn and a former Tardaad chief. Her best friend and sister-wife is a wise one. Andor/Cairhien will be friendly again with the Aiel. Caraline is her cousin, and her marriage to Darwin should provide for good relations for Tear with Andor/Cairhein (and through them, the Aiel, Tar Valon, Malkier, and Saldea). Not to mention Mat's position with the Seanchan.

 

Elayne ties a lot of those relationships together, heck, I could see Andor/Cairhien being one nation (under a groove) after the LB.

[TheAngryDruid]

Ok so here is where we are at. (After reposting, I'm going talk about my new predictions based on Chapter One).

 

Prologue - Distinctions - Lan/Perrin/Galad/Graendal/Fain/Malenarin (Of the Trolloc Invasion)

Chapter One - Apples First - Almen (Of Rand)

Chapter Eight - The Seven-Striped Lass - Mat

 

(In order of wotgh revelation)

 

1. Questions of Leadership

2. The Pattern Groans

3. Questioning Intentions

4. Lighter Than A Feather

5. Blood In The Air

6. After the Taint

7. An Unexpected Letter

8. An Empty Ink Bottle

9. For What Has Been Wrought

10. Use a Pebble

11. Shanna'har

12. Partings, and A Meeting

13. The Strength of This Place

14. Talk of Dragons

16. The End of a Legend

17. To Make A Stand

18. A Call To Stand

19. A Terrible Feeling

20. Men Dream Here

21. Into the Void

22. A Storm of Light

23. A Good Soup

24. The Right Thing

25. An Invitation

27. In the Three-Fold Land

28. An Unexpected Ally

32. A Reunion

33. Working Leather

39. A Rabbit For Supper

 

 

Apologies for the divergence, largely my fault. With Chapter 2 out, and it indeed being Question's of leadership, I wonder what everyone thought about the Great Hunt numbers matching up? Or close to matching up? I think there was some nuggets that indicated the Egwene/Rand chapters (which we now know to be 1 & 3) were later on, and they have been moved up.

 

If correct, that would mean chapter 3 would be something from deeper in the book (A Reunion or an unnamed chapter), and then chapter 4-5-6-7 etc. would start with The Pattern Groans.

 

Is this still a valid hypothesis?

[Senthiele]

Long time lurker... tho I never post because of all of you wonderful people who diligently explore nearly every option available... Thanks to all for the fun reading and speculating.

 

However, for once, something I consider to be a possibility has not been discussed with regard to these Chapter Titles.

 

"The End of a Legend" Everyone seems focused on Cads as the legend in question... but for me.. my first thought upon reading that title was Birgette. I expect her to sacrafice herself protecting Elayne from the Gholam within this chapter. IUs it possible then that because she wasn't "born" into the pattern, but was instead ripped from TAR, that it is her final "End" and she cannot be spun back out, will not be "alive" in TAR, and is removed as a hero of the horn? Thus.. the real END of a Legend.

 

I just wanted to get it written down somewhere in the unlikely event that I am on to something.

 

Thoughts?

[Terez]

Min sees her connected to an ugly man who is older, and an ugly man who is younger, and she knows they are the same man. Gaidal has always been older than Birgitte in the past. So, we know she is still tied to Gaidal and the Wheel. Nothing else makes sense. Of course, no one knows that but Min, so Birgitte is still all depressed about it.

[Senthiele]

Indeed she is tied to Gaidail... but he's been spun out already (No, he is not Oliver and irrelevant to the overall story IMO) so he will be older than her when/if she is re-born. I say she dies.. so that she can be re-born younger than Gaidail.. or permanently because of being pulled out of TAR.. severing that connection.

 

Or.. maybe she dies saving HIM as the younger which would satisfy Min's vision of being connected to one younger.

[Terez]

I don't think your post makes much sense. No offense.

[Charlz Guybon]

We should have a poll on who will rule in Cairhien. Options - Elayne, Moraine, Galad and Dobraine.

 

EDIT: I've added one to the nonspoiler forum.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/52633-the-sun-throne/

[Crossroad]

"The End of a Legend" Everyone seems focused on Cads as the legend in question... but for me.. my first thought upon reading that title was Birgette. I expect her to sacrafice herself protecting Elayne from the Gholam within this chapter. IUs it possible then that because she wasn't "born" into the pattern, but was instead ripped from TAR, that it is her final "End" and she cannot be spun back out, will not be "alive" in TAR, and is removed as a hero of the horn? Thus.. the real END of a Legend.

 

I've got a feeling that "The End of a Legend" has to do with Noal Charin/Jain Farstrider and the assault on the "Tower of Ghenjei"

[Luckers]

Ok, so here is where we are at with the known order.

 

Prologue - Distinctions.

Chapter One - Apples First.

Chapter Two - Questions of Leadership.

Chapter Five - Writings

Chapter Eight - The Seven-Striped Lass

Chapter Twenty - A Choice

 

I'd also say it's likely that Chapter Eleven is An Unexpected Letter.

[Diederichos]

Shanna'ra has to be Shara right?